Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 31/05/12 18:03, lluvia wrote: Maybe just not writing the freedoms in the splash page but in the deeper page would be good for keeping the interest on the people: although I recognize the high importance of the 4 freedoms, I think they need a lot of deep knowledge from the lector for beeing able of appreciate their importance. Instead, I would remark that it is a collaborative effort which anyone will always be able to use and participate. You really want to abandon the four freedom list? I'm keen on what you think may substitute them: Be good or something even more reduced? I didn't think anything special, but the four freedoms are very general, and 2 of them need a deeper and long~difficult reasoning about because they are important for everyone. Imho the 4 freedoms are necessary to not become too superficial. It's true. However, IMHO when presenting concepts it's better not just telling the essence but consecuences and examples. For example, some one can read you a math theorem, but it could be more interesting if it is showed first what could you do with it and what problems it solves. Also, when a person doesn't know about an issue, everything that you say will sound as the same thing, no matter if it is the essence or not. The exact approach is not always the more useful for starting to learn and getting interested about a concept. The next is just an idea for the examples: we could say that free software is like Wikipedia but with software, and the fact that, inded, Wikipedia knews the importance of free software and chose to use only it even when there was better non-free alternatives for some particular tasks. Analogies are often problematic. The problem is that free software isn't like wikipedia. Even though it may be based on similar values and enjoys popularity. I don't see analogies as a problem although they are not perfect. They are just analogies, people understands that, and also appreciates them. If you want the exact definition, you can go to the correct page, if you want to get interested about something, look for something which explains it funny. I want to say finally that I don't believe that what I said is the only correct way, my intention is just to suggest some ideas which could be useful. Maybe this link can give some ideas also [0]. [0] http://getgnulinux.org/linux/
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
The text is important! My first idea would be to just mention the four freedoms with a short introduction. Additionally we might have practical examples of the freedoms displayed upon hovering over them, or something like that. Maybe just not writing the freedoms in the splash page but in the deeper page would be good for keeping the interest on the people: although I recognize the high importance of the 4 freedoms, I think they need a lot of deep knowledge from the lector for beeing able of appreciate their importance. Instead, I would remark that it is a collaborative effort which anyone will always be able to use and participate. The next is just an idea for the examples: we could say that free software is like Wikipedia but with software, and the fact that, inded, Wikipedia knews the importance of free software and chose to use only it even when there was better non-free alternatives for some particular tasks.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Looking at this, I see both sides. Yes, there is a lot of good info on the existing FSF pages, but it is LONG... Arguably the GPL is longer than many proprietary software ULA's, and we know how many folks read those Add in the GNU software manifesto, and the lengthy free software definition, and you've sent many (almost all?) users into information overload... What is needed is a short sweet explanation, with links to the longer full length pages. One of the frequent posters on this list has a blurb about why his messages are five sentences or less, which may be a bit extreme, but is the right idea in general... I would say the Condensed GNU should be no more than 2-3 paragraphs, or ONE screen (including graphics), and just hit the high points with a see link to full definition for details tag... ART -- Arthur Torrey --- - Original Message - Robert Martinez m...@mray.de writes: On 30/05/12 01:24, John Sullivan wrote: We don't intentionally make pages on fsf.org or gnu.org unappealing. We hope that people will help us make them more so, rather than make new pages elsewhere :). Especially when they are something so core to our purpose as this. -john I regard this as a necessary side-effect. :D Pages on fsf.org have a high information value and density. They also need to fit into the general layout. So the page I have in mind is set free from those two (otherwise reasonable) limitations. people clicking on the label should not need to feel pushed to read on about the FSF, the GPL, the definition or other important issues. They should get a condensed and polished impression of what we agree to be at the heart of the free software. Pages on gnu.org are just HTML, with SSI. And we have the capability to host pages in other layouts on fsf.org when there is a good reason to. We seem to be going in circles at this point, and you've heard my thoughts, so I'll wait to see what you come up with. :) I think that if you come up with a concise, attractive way to introduce the definition of free software, then we would really like to host that on fsf.org or gnu.org, and point people toward it, and I hope you will give us the opportunity to do that. I also think adoption of the label would benefit significantly from direct connection with the organization that already maintains a very widely used definition of free software. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
First, maybe b/c I'm a woman, I prefer a logo which is either color or BW. On posters, flyers and website a black and white logo may be less visible. The idea that a label can serve to make people's choices more ethical and conscious or to spread freedom is simply wrong, and can only lead to the opposite result... I agree. But that wasn't what I suggested. The idea is not to manipulate a choice with a label, but to facilitate the choosing (hopefully in favour for free software). The premise is that people value the idea of free software already, but have a hard time recognizing it for various reasons. There is a lot of free software that you can not identify in a glance. And even if WE can identify it (seeing a GPL license while furiously looking for it), it will be so hidden and/or cryptic that Miss Joe will not be able to find out. One example : Today a friend of mine send me a link to a great open source project, moodle.org (a learning Management System). On the main page you see the logo of the Open source initiative, which is great but does not imply that moodle.org is free software... To find out that moodle IS a free software you have either (i) to search especially for the license and deduce that GPL = free software (which is trivial for us but not for my mum...) or (ii) to look at the doc, go to the section Moodle FAQ and scroll down to the last subsection Cost (?) to find out that it is free software as an answer to the following question : How much does it cost to download and use Moodle? *By way of its GNU General Public License, Moodle is and will remain free to download and use in any way you like. Consider it free like a 'free puppy' that needs care and attention to grow, not free like a 'free beer'.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
These labels would also be very useful for network services. In particular I've been surprised by how difficult it was to find out that github is not free (especially because they have a link in their help pages saying this website is open source, but there's no prominent link to this post http://tom.preston-werner.com/2011/11/22/open-source-everything.htmlwhich tells the whole truth. I did my exploring after reading http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html.) and bitbucket is not either, but gitorious is. Gitorious should advertise that fact more, and a label would help! Same for identica, statusnet etc. (which I only found out about via this list). On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:22 AM, cryp...@nym.hush.com wrote: First, maybe b/c I'm a woman, I prefer a logo which is either color or BW. On posters, flyers and website a black and white logo may be less visible. The idea that a label can serve to make people's choices more ethical and conscious or to spread freedom is simply wrong, and can only lead to the opposite result... I agree. But that wasn't what I suggested. The idea is not to manipulate a choice with a label, but to facilitate the choosing (hopefully in favour for free software). The premise is that people value the idea of free software already, but have a hard time recognizing it for various reasons. There is a lot of free software that you can not identify in a glance. And even if WE can identify it (seeing a GPL license while furiously looking for it), it will be so hidden and/or cryptic that Miss Joe will not be able to find out. One example : Today a friend of mine send me a link to a great open source project, moodle.org (a learning Management System). On the main page you see the logo of the Open source initiative, which is great but does not imply that moodle.org is free software... To find out that moodle IS a free software you have either (i) to search especially for the license and deduce that GPL = free software (which is trivial for us but not for my mum...) or (ii) to look at the doc, go to the section Moodle FAQ and scroll down to the last subsection Cost (?) to find out that it is free software as an answer to the following question : How much does it cost to download and use Moodle? - By way of its GNU General Public Licensehttp://docs.moodle.org/dev/License, Moodle is and will remain free to download and use in any way you like. Consider it free like a 'free puppy' that needs care and attention to grow, not free like a 'free beer'.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Robert Martinez m...@mray.de writes: On 23/05/12 23:12, John Sullivan wrote: There seems to be much disagreement about the effectiveness of the human readable deed approach. I would suggest for the first iteration of this, use the existing Free Software Definition page (possibly after making a few improvements to the introduction). This is analogous to other labeling programs to me. Labeling criteria are often very specific and detailed; I think ours would actually be quite simple compared to many that are out there (for animal testing, eco-friendly, and so on). I wouldn't suggest to omit the info. I'd rather put the walls of text on a prominent link called FULL DEFINITION or something else. The focus should be on making the key values easily visible, such as only mentioning the four freedoms (maybe with examples) and a list of the most common licenses that are regarded free software. Do you think we would loose something that way? Yes, page rank for the main definition. But also, we want the existing FSD page to work for an introduction to the concept of free software. If it doesn't, then that page should be improved, rather than trying to create another version. I think what you are talking about (such as giving examples) would be good improvements to the top of the existing text. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Robert Martinez m...@mray.de writes: By appealing I mean big nice typo, not too much text, friendly colors and an easy to understand message. Not like a typical page on fsf.org. We don't intentionally make pages on fsf.org or gnu.org unappealing. We hope that people will help us make them more so, rather than make new pages elsewhere :). Especially when they are something so core to our purpose as this. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM, John Sullivan jo...@fsf.org wrote: Robert Martinez m...@mray.de writes: By appealing I mean big nice typo, not too much text, friendly colors and an easy to understand message. Not like a typical page on fsf.org. We don't intentionally make pages on fsf.org or gnu.org unappealing. We hope that people will help us make them more so, rather than make new pages elsewhere :). Especially when they are something so core to our purpose as this. Is it at all easy for people (or certain people?) to edit those pages? -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Ramana Kumar ramana.ku...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:24 AM, John Sullivan jo...@fsf.org wrote: Robert Martinez m...@mray.de writes: By appealing I mean big nice typo, not too much text, friendly colors and an easy to understand message. Not like a typical page on fsf.org. We don't intentionally make pages on fsf.org or gnu.org unappealing. We hope that people will help us make them more so, rather than make new pages elsewhere :). Especially when they are something so core to our purpose as this. Is it at all easy for people (or certain people?) to edit those pages? GNU Webmasters can edit the pages on gnu.org. For people who want to help, it's not hard to become one (see http://www.gnu.org/server/standards/webmaster-quiz.html). Of course, pages like the Free Software Definition are very important and high visibility, so there needs to be discussion and agreement before public changes are made. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On Sun, 27 May 2012 12:51:47 +0200 al3xu5 / dotcommon dotcom...@autistici.org wrote: Il giorno mercoledì 23/05/2012 14:47:00 CEST Robert Martinez m...@mray.de ha scritto: I think there should be a campaign and I'm curious what you think. It should be about making ethical choices transparent. I can not understand how trasparent could be something applicable to ethical choices... Most non-technical users cannot see or understand what software freedom is. All they eventually get is a license name and/or version, some open foo buzzwords and maybe the hint that it is free software. They are unable to recognize in how far their choice actually connects to the idea of free software. In order to help people make right choices the free software community should use its authority and start labeling what is considered free software. I totally disagree. Such an approach is declaredly paternalistic and authoritary, which could not be a good way to spread neither ethical choices nor freedom. More, understanding and awareness are never things you can achieve with drastic simplifications or shortcuts of any kind. Things need to be discussed directly with people and thoroughly... The idea that a label can serve to make people's choices more ethical and conscious or to spread freedom is simply wrong, and can only lead to the opposite result... the same way clicking the FB's 'I like' button is not enough to make us free to choose, and does not make us aware of anything or make people friends... The label should not be a tool to introduce new users to free software. It should be a tool to tell people who know about free software if a program is free or not. Introducing free software to new users should be done the way you describe. Regards signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 26/05/12 23:38, v...@ukr.net wrote: To my mind, the logo should definitely be in black white (or at least look good enough in black white) since it is the best variant for printing on T-shirts, for example. And T-shirts may be a good way of promoting it. What do you think? absolutely.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 27/05/12 12:51, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: I can not understand how trasparent could be something applicable to ethical choices... by transparent I mean a well informed state of the situation before you choose what you think is right. if for some reason you are uncertain about some terminology or facts the process of your choice (in this case an ethical one) would be in-transparent The idea that a label can serve to make people's choices more ethical and conscious or to spread freedom is simply wrong, and can only lead to the opposite result... I agree. But that wasn't what I suggested. The idea is not to manipulate a choice with a label, but to facilitate the choosing (hopefully in favour for free software). The premise is that people value the idea of free software already, but have a hard time recognizing it for various reasons.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
It would be good for free software movement leaving the gnu icon just
for the GNU operating system.
They are different concepts at all, since GNU is free software in the
same way that some *BSDs or SuperTux are: they all satisfy the free
software definition. I know that this distinction has been done very
well yet and we have text material for writing a lot of books, but I'm
missing a free software image/logo.
I don't know if it would be good that FSF represents the free software
idea beyond than working for it. At any case, in my opinion, the logo of
FSF doesn't meet the purpose of presenting that something is free
software (compatible). The main reason is that it is basically letters.
I liked a lot the original idea of relaunching the GNU image, but now I
think that, instead, it should be better presenting a new free software
image. The scope of GNU is limited, our mission is the adoption of free
software, which is much more important.
As an idea more for the brainstorming, I propose that the free software
image/logo be based on a freedom symbol with some of the following
elements {computers, bits, pixels, networks}. Human happiness or natural
things such as flowers could be the freedom symbol, though.
Some final thoughts that could be useful:
* Attribution to GNU for every free software piece could be considered
unjust.
* Gnus are not related with freedom in computing for most of people.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
2012/5/26 lluvia lluvia_li...@lavabit.com
It would be good for free software movement leaving the gnu icon just
for the GNU operating system.
They are different concepts at all, since GNU is free software in the
same way that some *BSDs or SuperTux are: they all satisfy the free
software definition. I know that this distinction has been done very
well yet and we have text material for writing a lot of books, but I'm
missing a free software image/logo.
I don't know if it would be good that FSF represents the free software
idea beyond than working for it. At any case, in my opinion, the logo of
FSF doesn't meet the purpose of presenting that something is free
software (compatible). The main reason is that it is basically letters.
Is the purpose of this campaign to create a label specific to free software?
If not, why not use the Free Cultural Works definition and logo?
In my opinion, even though an icon that represents well and clearly the
idea of freedom would be a good thing for the label, I think it's not that
important. When people start to see the label everywhere they'll get
curious and click on it, even if they don't understand the meaning of the
icon immediately.
But I agree the label should not use FSF's or GNU's logos if the label
is applicable to other things besides software.
I liked a lot the original idea of relaunching the GNU image, but now I
think that, instead, it should be better presenting a new free software
image. The scope of GNU is limited, our mission is the adoption of free
software, which is much more important.
As an idea more for the brainstorming, I propose that the free software
image/logo be based on a freedom symbol with some of the following
elements {computers, bits, pixels, networks}. Human happiness or natural
things such as flowers could be the freedom symbol, though.
Some final thoughts that could be useful:
* Attribution to GNU for every free software piece could be considered
unjust.
* Gnus are not related with freedom in computing for most of people.
--
Felipe Lopez
IntrosMedia http://introsmedia.wordpress.com/
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
--- On Sat, 5/26/12, Ramana Kumar ramana.ku...@gmail.com wrote:
As an idea more for the brainstorming, I propose that the free software
image/logo be based on a freedom symbol with some of the following
elements {computers, bits, pixels, networks}. Human happiness or natural
things such as flowers could be the freedom symbol, though.
Birds are commonly used as freedom symbols, and may be an idea
Wikipedia's series on Freedom uses the symbol of a torch. (Like the one the
Statue of Liberty holds.)
Some final thoughts that could be useful:
* Attribution to GNU for every free software piece could be considered
unjust.
* Gnus are not related with freedom in computing for most of people.
These are good points.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 25/05/12 19:04, lluvia wrote: I hope it be as clean as the open source label. that was my idea. I'm in the process of working on something that is (among other general design rules): _international (avoiding letters/text) _clean in order to perform well on small sizes, too _black white for optimal reproduction on any background/material _compact to fit into vertical and horizontal spaces among text and other logos _conveying the idea of freedom (the hardest part imho) This is a challenge in itself, but I see the bigger challenge in the widespread adoption of the badge. If only a handful of people use the badge - I consider it a failure. This is why we should think of a campaign that creates motivation for projects to actually use the label. Like having a really appealing landing page, to make people feel they're not only supporting the right ethical choice, but feel good while they are doing it. (this shouldn't be the only motivation of course) By appealing I mean big nice typo, not too much text, friendly colors and an easy to understand message. Not like a typical page on fsf.org. -robert
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 26/05/12 14:56, IntrosMedia wrote: Is the purpose of this campaign to create a label specific to free software? yes! In my opinion, even though an icon that represents well and clearly the idea of freedom would be a good thing for the label, I think it's not that important. When people start to see the label everywhere they'll get curious and click on it, even if they don't understand the meaning of the icon immediately. I agree, but it certainly helps if it looks like freedom - I don't want to abandon that option without trying. -robert
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: _international (avoiding letters/text) _clean in order to perform well on small sizes, too _black white for optimal reproduction on any background/material I think this one should be relaxed to looks good when rendered in black white / grayscale; looks as good or better in colour; is obviously the same under both renditions. _compact to fit into vertical and horizontal spaces among text and other logos _conveying the idea of freedom (the hardest part imho)
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 26/05/12 20:26, Ramana Kumar wrote: I think this one should be relaxed to looks good when rendered in black white / grayscale; looks as good or better in colour; is obviously the same under both renditions. I want to avoid any problematic situations. There is the problem of *any* color that it might not go well with another and there is the issue of putting people in the position of making the choice: do I need the bw version or do I want the colored ... So just for the sake of having a reliable solution I see bw as the way to go.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Hello! On Sat, 26 May 2012 20:34:55 +0200 Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: I want to avoid any problematic situations. There is the problem of *any* color that it might not go well with another and there is the issue of putting people in the position of making the choice: do I need the bw version or do I want the colored ... So just for the sake of having a reliable solution I see bw as the way to go. To my mind, the logo should definitely be in black white (or at least look good enough in black white) since it is the best variant for printing on T-shirts, for example. And T-shirts may be a good way of promoting it. What do you think? Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
I hope it be as clean as the open source label. It is simple, the image carries an idea and the text open source is easily understandable by a lot of people, although that particular words doesn't represent exactly the initiative. I would be using that logo all the time if I shared the point of view of them.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 23/05/12 23:12, John Sullivan wrote: There seems to be much disagreement about the effectiveness of the human readable deed approach. I would suggest for the first iteration of this, use the existing Free Software Definition page (possibly after making a few improvements to the introduction). This is analogous to other labeling programs to me. Labeling criteria are often very specific and detailed; I think ours would actually be quite simple compared to many that are out there (for animal testing, eco-friendly, and so on). I wouldn't suggest to omit the info. I'd rather put the walls of text on a prominent link called FULL DEFINITION or something else. The focus should be on making the key values easily visible, such as only mentioning the four freedoms (maybe with examples) and a list of the most common licenses that are regarded free software. Do you think we would loose something that way?
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Robert Martinez said: Most non-technical users cannot see or understand what software freedom is. They are unable to recognize in how far their choice actually connects to the idea of free software. Labeling might be a good thing to do but I'm not sure that I agree with your reasoning behind it. Your explanation make it seem as if non-technical users as you describe them are just mindless sheep that passively graze on what others make available to them. [1] I think that everyone can appreciate software freedom [2]. That you propose an educational campagin disproves, I think, your point that people cannot see or understand what software freedom is or are unable to recognize... [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Consumer [2] http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2011/spring/why-should-i-care-about-that signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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I'm working on such a project and it should be ready in September. On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Jason Self ja...@bluehome.net wrote: Robert Martinez said: Most non-technical users cannot see or understand what software freedom is. They are unable to recognize in how far their choice actually connects to the idea of free software. Labeling might be a good thing to do but I'm not sure that I agree with your reasoning behind it. Your explanation make it seem as if non-technical users as you describe them are just mindless sheep that passively graze on what others make available to them. [1] I think that everyone can appreciate software freedom [2]. That you propose an educational campagin disproves, I think, your point that people cannot see or understand what software freedom is or are unable to recognize... [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Consumer [2] http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2011/spring/why-should-i-care-about-that -- ☮ ♥ Ⓐ .danny This email is: [ ] bloggable [ x ] shareable with consent [ ] lethal if repeated or forwarded [턽#] The Silent Number - http://thesilentnumber.me/ µBlog: http://identi.ca/dpic voice: +1.617.340.3661 Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 23/05/12 17:39, Jason Self wrote: Labeling might be a good thing to do but I'm not sure that I agree with your reasoning behind it. Your explanation make it seem as if non-technical users as you describe them are just mindless sheep that passively graze on what others make available to them. [1] That was not what I meant at all. I believe even users with a profound interest in freedom of software and an honest commitment to their choice face technical problems: They may not have the time and patience to research what license a project uses, what it means, what the difference between other licenses are and whether it is officially free software. People can make their choices more easily when they see the label and know what it means.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On 23/05/12 17:50, Danny Piccirillo wrote: I'm working on such a project and it should be ready in September. What is your progress so far? In how far does my suggested campaign overlap with your project?
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: On 23/05/12 17:50, Danny Piccirillo wrote: I'm working on such a project and it should be ready in September. What is your progress so far? In how far does my suggested campaign overlap with your project? It is entirely encompassed by it. I plan on doing everything you said and much more. I'd like to not talk about it until it's done. -- ☮ ♥ Ⓐ .danny This email is: [ ] bloggable [ x ] shareable with consent [ ] lethal if repeated or forwarded [턽#] The Silent Number - http://thesilentnumber.me/ µBlog: http://identi.ca/dpic voice: +1.617.340.3661 Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Robert Martinez m...@mray.de writes: I think there should be a campaign and I'm curious what you think. It should be about making ethical choices transparent. Most non-technical users cannot see or understand what software freedom is. All they eventually get is a license name and/or version, some open foo buzzwords and maybe the hint that it is free software. They are unable to recognize in how far their choice actually connects to the idea of free software. In order to help people make right choices the free software community should use its authority and start labeling what is considered free software. There should be a label on every homepage or about-screen visible for everyone, and indicating that using this software means making a right choice. Practically speaking this means: - create a label - create a landing page (linked to the label) explaining the 4 freedoms and linking to more detailed infromation Do you think we can and should initiate this? Yes. I think we should have that label link to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html, and that if the page needs to be clearer for this purpose, suggestions should be made to r...@gnu.org. He has already made some changes relatively recently to make it a better page for explaining the meaning of free software, in addition to providing the official technical definition. I think this is a great idea. The label could say Free as in Freedom. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096.
Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Label Campaign
Robert Martinez m...@mray.de writes: I think we can first link so something pretty easy to digest, similar to how CC does it: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ (or maybe even more reduced) and go into more detail via another link. There seems to be much disagreement about the effectiveness of the human readable deed approach. I would suggest for the first iteration of this, use the existing Free Software Definition page (possibly after making a few improvements to the introduction). This is analogous to other labeling programs to me. Labeling criteria are often very specific and detailed; I think ours would actually be quite simple compared to many that are out there (for animal testing, eco-friendly, and so on). I propose to stick to a label without typography, so we avoid multilingual issues and can offer a label that works on in an size on any background. I think words might be necessary, but they could be in a tooltip rather than the label image. -john -- John Sullivan | Executive Director, Free Software Foundation GPG Key: 61A0963B | http://identi.ca/johnsu01 | http://fsf.org/blogs/RSS Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=8096.
