Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??

2003-10-30 Thread Cerulean Skies
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:36:35 +
From: Cerulean Skies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:22:35 -0700
At 06:10 PM 10/28/2003, you wrote:
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:45:36 -0500
From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
No you're not. The L1xx does not have an SDRAM controller, it has a DRAM 
controller compatible with EDO-mode DRAMs. Also, in order to change 
anything at all you'll have to hack an existing L1xx module, because it is 
proprietary in shape. There is no SDRAM pin-compatible with EDO, mainly 
because there would be no point; the two memory types are accessed quite 
differently.
Heh--it has a programmable GA setup as a edo dram controller. It is never a 
problem to access a differant type of ram as long as the new ram works fast 
enough and we already know sdram ram does. It fact it is almost exactly the 
same as edo in that when a flipflop is latched it stays latched as long as 
power is applied to the chip!!:-) Why would I need to hack a Libretto 
module? The pinout of the expansion connector is same as a 144 edo sodimm. 
No hacking needed. I thought of a sodimm first but EDO is so expensive even 
used that it seems worthless to stick with it.
I had addressed this issue a while ago, I believe.
http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2003/msg01323.html
I recently had to choose between a DRAM or a SDRAM controller for
a microchip I'm designing, so I've had to pour over datasheets for
both types of RAM.  The interface to an EDO ram and a SDRAM is
completely different.  Grab a few datasheets and take a look, a
DRAM controller cannot communicate with SDRAM at all.
Secondly, the DRAM controller is part of the System Controller Gate
Array.  Are you certain it's a FPGA?  I didn't get the part number of
the chip the last time my Lib was disassembled.
If the gate array is not programmable and was designed only
for 32 additional MBs, then we're done.  There's nothing we can do
to increase the memeory.  It may be designed for 32 or 64 or more
additional MBs, but the only way to find out is to interface it and
see if it can detect the larger RAM sizes, unless someone figures out
how to access any config registers in the gate array that selects the
RAM size.  If it's not designed for the larger RAM sizes but the gate
array is programmable, now we're faced with reverse engineering a
gate array, and that seems highly unpleasant.
Basically, for the amount of time I'd sink into this project, I might as
well upgrade to a more powerful laptop.
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[LIB] Win2k

2003-10-30 Thread Gerhard Kapusta

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[LIB] Adding W2K to Libretto article

2003-10-30 Thread Albert ViƱals
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:15:25 +0100
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Subject: Adding W2K to Libretto article



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Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??

2003-10-30 Thread Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:59:21 -0500
From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
Actually--sorry--I miswrote. It has a 32 bit address buss which Toshiba 
did not use all of. If they had we could use 168 pin sodimms to upgrade 
You don't get it. The Pentium has a 32-bit address bus, yes. You could 
put 4Gb of SRAM on it. But it addresses main memory through a DRAM 
controller. The DRAM controller is designed to support devices of 
specific densities. From the pinouts you posted, it can handle devices 
with up to 4K sizes.

Actually it is not limited at all since computer memory has not been 
dependent on the width of the address buss since what?!? never? The idea 
Ah. Okay. You really need to avoid talking about things of which you 
have no comprehension, although it is quite humorous.

Heh--it has a programmable GA setup as a edo dram controller. It is 
It's a mask-programmed ULA or a straight-out ASIC. There is no way it's 
an FPGA.

never a problem to access a differant type of ram as long as the new ram 
Yeah, yeah, etc. If you're capable of reading a timing diagram, go to 
www.partminer.com and download an SDRAM datasheet, say Toshiba 
TC59S6416CFT, and compare it with an EDO datasheet, say VG2618165CJ.

need to hack a Libretto module? The pinout of the expansion connector is 
same as a 144 edo sodimm. No hacking needed. I thought of a sodimm first 
Might be true, but the connector is proprietary.

There is no limit to the memory the bios can see.
There most certainly is - because it has to set up the GA for the 
correct bank size and refresh parameters. Of course, you'd know this if 
you had written POI code for hardware of this type.

By the way, you might want to check my bona fides for making statements 
like this. Have a look at www.zws.com and in particular the DF-390 and 
DF-560 products, for which I designed the hardware and wrote the 
firmware. The DRAM subsystems in these devices are very similar to PCs 
of Libretto vintage. Or, to put it another way: I do this type of thing 
for a living.

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[LIB] margi dvd to-go

2003-10-30 Thread ned thammakhoune
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:41:13 -0800 (PST)
From: ned thammakhoune [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: margi dvd to-go

Hi:
Has anyone made the Margi-DVD card to work under
Win2k on Lib110? I want to play mpeg2 and vcd files
from the hard drive hoping that it will run smoother.

Are both of pcmcia slots support ZV? 
Do I need to config them to do so?

Thanks 
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Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

2003-10-30 Thread RSchw74573
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 12:35:30 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

In a message dated 10/30/2003 9:42:55 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Hi:
 Has anyone made the Margi-DVD card to work under
 Win2k on Lib110? I want to play mpeg2 and vcd files
 from the hard drive hoping that it will run smoother.
 
 Are both of pcmcia slots support ZV? 
 Do I need to config them to do so?
 
 Thanks 
 ned
 

I tried to get the Margi MPEG-To-Go card to work on my L100 under W98se, but 
never could.  Got only audio, and a black screen.  I've been tempted to try 
the DVD-To-Go card, and will soon install W98se/W2k dual-boot on my L100, so 
please post your results to the list.

The research I did at the time suggested that both L100 slots are ZV-enabled, 
and no tweaking or configuration should be necessary.  But then I never got 
it to work, either.

Good luck.

Lee



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Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

2003-10-30 Thread Lewin A.R.W. Edwards
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:48:40 -0500
From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go
Has anyone made the Margi-DVD card to work under
Win2k on Lib110? I want to play mpeg2 and vcd files
from the hard drive hoping that it will run smoother.
What are you using to play VCDs? I have good results playing standard 
VCD-resolution MPEG-1 files (352x240/352x288, std 1150 bitrate) without 
any special software. Low-res DivX movies are OK too.

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Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

2003-10-30 Thread Paul Bristow
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:38:58 +0100
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Subject: Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go
ed thammakhoune wrote:

Has anyone made the Margi-DVD card to work under
Win2k on Lib110? I want to play mpeg2 and vcd files
from the hard drive hoping that it will run smoother.
 

I made one work on a 100CT under Linux.  Don't ask how much effort that 
was, but it did work well, for both MPEG-2 and VCD, so the hardware is OK.

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Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

2003-10-30 Thread RSchw74573
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:28:01 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

In a message dated 10/30/2003 1:06:48 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 What are you using to play VCDs? I have good results playing standard 
 VCD-resolution MPEG-1 files (352x240/352x288, std 1150 bitrate) without 
 any special software. Low-res DivX movies are OK too.
 

What's the secret?  I've tried to play VCDs and, at a certain point, the 
image starts to break up, then everything stops.  This is on a L100CT w/64MB and 
using a Sony PRD-650 CDROM, under W98se and with several players.

Lee



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Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??

2003-10-30 Thread PhotoEngineering
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 01:50:36 -0800
From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
At 12:42 AM 10/30/2003, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:36:35 +
From: Cerulean Skies [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:22:35 -0700
At 06:10 PM 10/28/2003, you wrote:
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:45:36 -0500
From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
No you're not. The L1xx does not have an SDRAM controller, it has a DRAM 
controller compatible with EDO-mode DRAMs. Also, in order to change 
anything at all you'll have to hack an existing L1xx module, because it 
is proprietary in shape. There is no SDRAM pin-compatible with EDO, 
mainly because there would be no point; the two memory types are 
accessed quite differently.
Heh--it has a programmable GA setup as a edo dram controller. It is never 
a problem to access a differant type of ram as long as the new ram works 
fast enough and we already know sdram ram does. It fact it is almost 
exactly the same as edo in that when a flipflop is latched it stays 
latched as long as power is applied to the chip!!:-) Why would I need to 
hack a Libretto module? The pinout of the expansion connector is same as 
a 144 edo sodimm. No hacking needed. I thought of a sodimm first but EDO 
is so expensive even used that it seems worthless to stick with it.
I had addressed this issue a while ago, I believe.
http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2003/msg01323.html
I recently had to choose between a DRAM or a SDRAM controller for
a microchip I'm designing, so I've had to pour over datasheets for
both types of RAM.  The interface to an EDO ram and a SDRAM is
completely different.  Grab a few datasheets and take a look, a
DRAM controller cannot communicate with SDRAM at all.
Sure it can. The main differance is the length of time data is availible 
and since sdram is capabile of such increased speeds that can easily be 
overcome.


Secondly, the DRAM controller is part of the System Controller Gate
Array.  Are you certain it's a FPGA?  I didn't get the part number of
the chip the last time my Lib was disassembled.


Yes. Both the system controller and pcmcia controller are GAs.

If the gate array is not programmable and was designed only
for 32 additional MBs, then we're done.  There's nothing we can do
to increase the memeory.  It may be designed for 32 or 64 or more
additional MBs, but the only way to find out is to interface it and
see if it can detect the larger RAM sizes, unless someone figures out
It can see larger ram sizes. It is set up for 16k pages.


how to access any config registers in the gate array that selects the
RAM size.  If it's not designed for the larger RAM sizes but the gate
array is programmable, now we're faced with reverse engineering a
gate array, and that seems highly unpleasant.
Basically, for the amount of time I'd sink into this project, I might as
well upgrade to a more powerful laptop.


There is no more powerful laptop than the Libretto 110CT especially with a 
gig or more of ram:-)

John
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Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??

2003-10-30 Thread PhotoEngineering
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 03:38:31 -0800
From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
VBGI starting using Eudora (really nice mailer) for my mailing and it has 
a mood watcher. It told me my comments in the following message were awful 
and I should get my keyboard washed out with soap. I decided to send it 
anyway without any editing so, gentle readers, if you are easily offended 
please avoid reading this message!!VBG:
J.

At 07:24 AM 10/30/2003, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:59:21 -0500
From: Lewin A.R.W. Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??
Actually--sorry--I miswrote. It has a 32 bit address buss which Toshiba 
did not use all of. If they had we could use 168 pin sodimms to upgrade
You don't get it. The Pentium has a 32-bit address bus, yes. You could put 
4Gb of SRAM on it. But it addresses main memory through a DRAM controller. 
The DRAM controller is designed to support devices of specific densities. 
From the pinouts you posted, it can handle devices with up to 4K sizes.
I donno where you got 4k from what I posted. What I posted showed it can 
handle16k sizes.


Actually it is not limited at all since computer memory has not been 
dependent on the width of the address buss since what?!? never? The idea
Ah. Okay. You really need to avoid talking about things of which you have 
no comprehension, although it is quite humorous.
Dude--I cut my teeth on data sheets when I was a baby.

Insults will get you nowhere, son. Its nice, but not unusual, someone as 
clueless as yourself would find me humorous, though. As far as 
comprehension--all I wanted was for someone to explain what the silly codes 
were Toshiba used to identify the memory control lines. I could care less 
whether you think the ram is or is not upgradeable or to how much or 
whether you think sdram will work.  I already know it is and it does. As 
near as I can tell from your opinions you don't have much of an idea of how 
to do or know much of anything.

Heh--it has a programmable GA setup as a edo dram controller. It is
It's a mask-programmed ULA or a straight-out ASIC. There is no way it's an 
FPGA.
So now you claim to know how some of the best hardware engineers in the 
business design? I mean--you really need to get a grip. Take your computer 
apart and look--instead of being a moron.


never a problem to access a differant type of ram as long as the new ram
Yeah, yeah, etc. If you're capable of reading a timing diagram, go to 
www.partminer.com and download an SDRAM datasheet, say Toshiba 
TC59S6416CFT, and compare it with an EDO datasheet, say VG2618165CJ.
The one bright spot is this whole shebeel you wasted your time with is that 
you did mention a link where I found a data sheet I've been looking for. 
Its nice to have a gopher around some times.

need to hack a Libretto module? The pinout of the expansion connector is 
same as a 144 edo sodimm. No hacking needed. I thought of a sodimm first
Might be true, but the connector is proprietary.


So? What has that got to do with anything?

There is no limit to the memory the bios can see.
There most certainly is - because it has to set up the GA for the correct 
bank size and refresh parameters. Of course, you'd know this if you had 
written POI code for hardware of this type.


Neither of those limits the amount of ram in any way. By the way..you are a 
real idiot if you think you are impressing me or anybody else that has any 
kind of electronics design experience with any sort of knowledge or 
ability. Shoot- even an assembly techie knows more than you.

By the way, you might want to check my bona fides for making statements 
like this. Have a look at www.zws.com and in particular the DF-390 and 
DF-560 products, for which I designed the hardware and wrote the firmware. 
The DRAM subsystems in these devices are very similar to PCs of Libretto 
vintage. Or, to put it another way: I do this type of thing for a living.
Really? That's a piss poor way to give yourself the voice of authority. 
First you show absolutely no technical expertise at all then you claim I 
do this for a living. In other words you go around designing shit systems 
that can't be upgraded. (I'm not saying the Libretto is crap but it can be 
upgraded.)  (heavy..very heavy sarcasm) Yup..what you design will be the 
first that I run out and buy.  (end sarcasm)

John
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[LIB] External battery pack update

2003-10-30 Thread PhotoEngineering
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:01:34 -0800
From: PhotoEngineering [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: External battery pack update
I just wanted to post an update on this since at the moment the 
photoengineering site is down and I don't know when it will be back up. 
Plus I've been really lax on updating the battery.doc document at 
www.photoengineering.com/Libretto/.

Basically, in case you don't know, I'm designing a general purpose external 
battery pack which will work to extend the run time of the Libretto 
50-110CT series easily up into the ten hour range. It will work with any 
laptop (or basically anything that could use a extended battery and runs 
off DC-- TV, DVD, laptop, boombox-- whatever). Great for field work.

This one is unique in that it also will recharge from just about any AC 
source *and* just about any DC source plus power the equipment too. Plus 
the pack will fit right underneath a laptop (including the Libretto) so 
it'll be easy to pack around. No harder to carry than the computer itself.

The good news is, like I said, the charger will be universal, it'll work 
with just about any chemistry, li-ion and li-poly are easily available and 
a decent capacity pack will fit right under the L110. 6 maybe 7Ah. It'll be 
a seamless upgrade.  With the Toshiba extended battery and this one I'd 
think a person would get a good 10-15 hours runtime as long as your not 
running anything like a usb or pcmcia dvd player constantly. Be great for 
flights lasting over 5 hours where you don't have a empower jack. On 
something like a L1-5, if Toshiba's estimates are accurate it should power 
the things for days.

The bad news is- the original projected release date was December however 
there is a possibility it won't be released until the first quarter of next 
year. As of now--I am pretty sure it will be ready to be manufactured in 
November however with a 6 week lead time--it won't be out until mid January 
or Feb. Sorry! At least it isn't vapor ware.

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Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

2003-10-30 Thread David Chien
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:06:16 -0800 (PST)
From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

On my L110, VCDs play fine as well.  With DVDs, I've noticed that even with a
fast DVD player like WinDVD 4, the L110 can only do about 10fps playing off an
external Sony PCMCIA CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive.  Divx?  Depends on bitrate - some
play full screen okay, most of the 'heavy' ones don't play at full speed.

I've thought about a dvd-to-go card as well, so it would be interesting to hear
if anyone has gotten it to work since they're dirt cheap on www.ebay.com.

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Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

2003-10-30 Thread David Chien
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:09:35 -0800 (PST)
From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] margi dvd to-go

 What's the secret?  I've tried to play VCDs and, at a certain point, the 
 image starts to break up, then everything stops.  This is on a L100CT w/64MB
 and 
 using a Sony PRD-650 CDROM, under W98se and with several players.

  was that a 4x cdrom drive I recall vaguely?  it maybe that you're using a
16-bit card and it's not pushing enough data; a slower 4x (or whatever it is)
drive that can't push enough data towards the outer edge of the disc (later in
the video); got virus scanners or other applications running; not using WinDVD
4 or simply 6.4 Windows Media Player full screen

  IT SHOULD work!

  Heck, I had my L50/J at 100Mhz playing VCDs full screen just fine

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Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??

2003-10-30 Thread David Chien
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:13:41 -0800 (PST)
From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [LIB] Amount of memory addressable??

Okay babies!  Enough of that!  smack!

   I'm first in line for a working Libretto 110 RAM upgrade module that'll do
more than the 32MB it has now.  More the merrier in fact!  Hopefully, -anyone-
with the guts and knowhow (most importantly, I don't) can figure this out once
and forall - whether the L100/L110 can handle 32MB RAM modules or not.

   Even if it's just a paper confirmation that the Libretto can or can not
handle 32MB would be a great step forward.  (Just too bad Toshiba never hands
out their motherboard schematics like Radio Shack used to do with their TRS-80
Model III)

   =)

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