aucun objet

2002-09-29 Thread Didier LAIREZ

Hello,
I have installed lilypond 1.6.0-2 on my MAC under OSX 10.1.5. Apparently the
installation succeeded but the following message appears when I try to run
Lylipond. Can you help me?
Didier


[localhost:~] didierla% /sw/bin/ly2dvi -P /documents/muslyli/test1.ly
Running LilyPond...
zsh: command not found: lilypond
error: 
LilyPond failed on the input file (exit status 1).

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /sw/bin/ly2dvi, line 1000, in ?
run_lilypond (files, dep_prefix)
  File /sw/bin/ly2dvi, line 512, in run_lilypond
error ( \n \
  File /sw/bin/ly2dvi, line 144, in error
raise _ (Exiting ... )
Exiting ... 
[localhost:~] didierla%



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Re: \key

2002-09-29 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen

Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 change your f's to fis and it'll be fine.

 Ok.  That doesn't seem logical to me and it's clearly more work

Want an f?  Get an f.  Want a fis, get a fis.  Quite logical.

What do you mean by more work?  How would you think to produce an f
(natural) in your example?

Jan.

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Re: path to lilypond executable?

2002-09-29 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen

Didier LAIREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I have installed lilypond 1.6.0-2 on my MAC under OSX 10.1.5. Apparently the
 installation succeeded but the following message appears when I try to run
 Lylipond. Can you help me?

Maybe...

 [localhost:~] didierla% /sw/bin/ly2dvi -P /documents/muslyli/test1.ly

 Running LilyPond...
 zsh: command not found: lilypond

It looks like you do no have /sw/bin in your path.  Try:

PATH=/sw/bin:$PATH
ly2dvi /documents/muslyli/test1.ly

Btw: this is something that has been bothering me.  I think that
ly2dvi (and lilypond-book etc) should run the lilypond that belongs to
them, not the one that just so happens to be first in the path.

Jan.

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Re: \key

2002-09-29 Thread Paul Scott

Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:

Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

change your f's to fis and it'll be fine.
  

Ok.  That doesn't seem logical to me and it's clearly more work



Want an f?  Get an f.  Want a fis, get a fis.  Quite logical.

It would be quite logical if there were an equal probability of notes in 
a composition being in or out of the  current key.

What do you mean by more work?  How would you think to produce an f
(natural) in your example?
  

Even though it's not exactly comparing apples to apples, in Finale the 
entered notes are automatically in the current key and extra clicking 
raises or lowers the pitch.  

In my example I would type 'f' plus some modifier to get f natural or f 
double sharp.  It would take more typing to get an accidental just as it 
takes more work to get an accidental when copying by hand.

Paul

p.s. I am getting two copies of everything from this thread.  The first 
one of each pair lacks the last three identification lines.



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Re: \key

2002-09-29 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen

Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 It would be quite logical if there were an equal probability of notes
 in a composition being in or out of the  current key.

Maybe it's a language question.  In Dutch, the name of an f-sharp is a
fis; it's quite unnatural (an uncommon) to refer to an f-sharp as 'f',
regardless of what key it's in.

 Even though it's not exactly comparing apples to apples, in Finale the
 entered notes are automatically in the current key and extra clicking
 raises or lowers the pitch.  In my example I would type 'f' plus some
 modifier to get f natural or f double sharp.

Ah.  Are you certain that, if you think about it, you are not
confusing `quite logical' with `more like Finale happens to do it'?

It may indeed be a bit apples and oranges, in LilyPond (or text entry,
ftm), you have to name a note.  Then, it's not logical to use give a
wrong name.  If you select a note in a GUI program, it's logical for
the program to suggest the most probable one.

I think we used to have a special entry mode for this, called it
`viola mode' (I don't know the key we're in, but the sheet music I'm
copying from says `f' at this point, not `#f' :-), but I can't seem to
find it anymore.

 p.s. I am getting two copies of everything from this thread.  The
 first one of each pair lacks the last three identification lines.

You shoud set your Mail-Followup-To: header.

Jan.

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Re: \key

2002-09-29 Thread Paul Scott

Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:

Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  

It would be quite logical if there were an equal probability of notes
in a composition being in or out of the  current key.



Maybe it's a language question.  In Dutch, the name of an f-sharp is a
fis; it's quite unnatural (an uncommon) to refer to an f-sharp as 'f',
regardless of what key it's in.

The language point of view would be the same for English.

Even though it's not exactly comparing apples to apples, in Finale the
entered notes are automatically in the current key and extra clicking
raises or lowers the pitch.  In my example I would type 'f' plus some
modifier to get f natural or f double sharp.


Ah.  Are you certain that, if you think about it, you are not
confusing `quite logical' with `more like Finale happens to do it'?

By quite logical I meant the least work.  Finale and some other GUI 
programs do it that way to save work.  I have just installed RoseGarden 
and I see that it has a 'Follow key' button.

It may indeed be a bit apples and oranges, in LilyPond (or text entry,
ftm), you have to name a note.  Then, it's not logical to use give a
wrong name. 

Agreed that there is a logic problem there but saving work is also 
logical.  Perhaps entering in solfeggio mode would be useful but I was 
not trained that way.

 If you select a note in a GUI program, it's logical for
the program to suggest the most probable one.

I think we used to have a special entry mode for this, called it
`viola mode' (I don't know the key we're in, but the sheet music I'm
copying from says `f' at this point, not `#f' :-), but I can't seem to
find it anymore.

That might useful but at least now I know the rules and can do what I 
need to get the work done.

Thanks for your work in this.

p.s. I am getting two copies of everything from this thread.  The
first one of each pair lacks the last three identification lines.


You shoud set your Mail-Followup-To: header.

Are you referring some particular software.  I use Mozilla mail-news and 
don't know what that option means.  Why would this only be happening in 
this thread?

Thanks,

Paul





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Re: \key

2002-09-29 Thread Laura Conrad

 Paul == Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 p.s. I am getting two copies of everything from this thread.  The
 first one of each pair lacks the last three identification lines.
 

 You shoud set your Mail-Followup-To: header.
 
Paul Are you referring some particular software.  I use Mozilla mail-news
Paul and don't know what that option means.  Why would this only be
Paul happening in this thread?

Because in this list, the default behavior is to reply to the poster,
not to the list, so most of us use an option that in some mail apps is
called followup, and in others is called 'reply to all'.  So when we
reply to your post, it is sent to both you and the list.  Most threads
you get only from the list, because you weren't the poster.  If you don't
want this, you can include a header in your mail that says
something like:

Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

But I just deal with getting both copies, myself.  


-- 
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Re: stem fix 2

2002-09-29 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Why not use the official solution:

\property Staff.NoteCollision \set #'merge-differently-dotted = ##t

  /Mats

 Rune Zedeler wrote:
 
   a4 \\ \once \property Voice.Dots \override #'transparent = ##t a4.*2/3 
  
  It probably even ruins the spacing because it adds space for an 
  invisible dot.
 
 Ofcourse the solution to this is to replace the property-setting with
 
 \once \property Voice.Dots \override #'molecule-callback = \turnOff
 
 Sorry for not thinking late at night :-)
 
 Good night!
 
 -Rune


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Re: path to lilypond executable?

2002-09-29 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen

Didier LAIREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[cc list]
 Thank you! it is running now! Unfortunately the dvi output is not yet
 correct. May be it's now a latex problem.

How did you install lilypond, did you use fink?  Did you install
fink's tex package?  Did you log out after installing it?  You should
source the file lilypond-profile, maybe in /sw/etc/lilypond-profile
(or lilypond-login depending on your shell).

Jan.

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Using multiple versions of lilypond

2002-09-29 Thread Antonio PALAMA'

1.6.2 is installed and, as expected, some of the features that I had
available with previous versions do not work any more.
I would like to do some debugging in this field and the first
problem I come across is how to have multiple versions of
lilypond installed and how to switch among them.
I would like to stay with the binary sistributions (Debian)
of 1.2.17, 1.4.12 and 1.6.XX since most of my problems
are related to how LateX processes the .tex file produced
by lilypond, but having the most recent unstable version
available could probably be useful too.
And, yes, I use lilypond as a standalone program and write
my own envelope files for LateX; ly2dvi is not flexible
enough for the kind of typesetting i do.
Any pointer appreciated.
Thank you for your help.

Antonio



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Re: stem fix 2

2002-09-29 Thread Rune Zedeler

Mats Bengtsson wrote:
 
 Why not use the official solution:
 
 \property Staff.NoteCollision \set #'merge-differently-dotted = ##t

?!?!?!

What do you mean?
#'merge-differently-dotted does the opposite of what we need -
effectively ruining my hack.
Please post full example if you have some smart way of typesetting a //
a  WITHOUT merging the noteheads.

-Rune


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Re: Lyrics spacing with lilypond 1.6.4

2002-09-29 Thread Alois Steindl

Hello,
thanks quite a lot for your answer!
Unfortunately I did send an out-of-phase input file (I experimented with 
different settings). Now I rerun the example at home with the final block

\score {
 \simultaneous {
   \addlyrics
  \context Staff = mel
  { 
\melody }
  \context Lyrics \text
 }
   \midi  { \tempo 4=120}   
 \paper { papersize = a4  }
}

and obtained just one line with several overlaps in the text.

An additional question: The midi output doesn't seem to produce any 
sound when played with Winamp on Win2000. What might be the reason?

Best regards
Alois

PS.: I append the complete song for reference; hope that I don't waste 
too much bandwidth:

\header {
 title = Der schlafende Apfel 
tagline =  
}
\paper{ papersize = a4 }
\include paper20.ly
\include deutsch.ly
melody = \notes
\relative c'' {
\property Score.midiInstrument = alto sax
\property Score.midiInstrument = banjo
\key g \major
\time 2/4
d8 d e e | d4 h | c8 c a a |
g2
| d'8 d e e | d d h4 | c8 c a a | g2
  \bar |.
}


text = \lyrics  {
\context LyricsVoice = Soprano-1
\property LyricsVoice .stanza = 1:
\property LyricsVoice .stz = (1)  
Lie- ber, lie- ber Ap- fel, bist so schön und
rund und die Mut- ter hat ge- sagt, Äp- fel sind ge -- sund.
}
{
\context LyricsVoice = Soprano-2
\property LyricsVoice .stanza = 2:
\property LyricsVoice .stz = (2)  
Lie- ber, lie- ber Ap- fel, spring doch gleich vom Baum!
Schau, ich halt die Schür- ze schon un- ten an dem Saum.
}
 

\score {
 \simultaneous {
   \addlyrics
  \context Staff = mel
  { 
\melody }
  \context Lyrics \text
 }
   \midi  { \tempo 4=120}   
 \paper { papersize = a4  }
}




Jan Nieuwenhuizen schrieb:
 Alois Steindl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 
this week I tried the cygwin port of the new version 1.6.4 with a
little song.  Since the letters of the lyrics overlap each other, I
assume that I have to set some flag to change the spacing rule (from
note-length proportional to (maximum) word-width).  Is there any
flag for archieving sufficient space (except placing many breaks,
which the yields very large space for long notes with short text)?
 
 
\header {
%title = Der schlafende Apfel 
  tagline =  
}
 
 
 This file should work fine, as long as you uncomment your paper
 block:
 
 
  \midi  { \tempo 4=120}  
%\paper { linewidth = 13.0 \cm }
}
 
 
 like so:
 
   \paper { linewidth = 13.0 \cm }
   }
 
 I suspect that you have been looking at previous versions, because
 the file you sent doesn't generate paper output.
   
 Jan.
   




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Re: Talking about stems...

2002-09-29 Thread David Raleigh Arnold

On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:28:29 Paul Dumais wrote:
 Is there a way to produce any sort of unusual stems?
 
 For example: a stem with an arrow head on it.  This is usefull for
 noting flamenco guitar music.  An arrow pointing upwards on the stem
 of a chord means a (down) stroke with the a right-hand finger.  There
 are many effects on a guitar, flamenco or not, done with the right
 hand that are often noted with special stems (arrows, zigzags, etc.)
 
 I know that the possibilities are endless, but any indication on this
 topic will be appreciated.

Putting arrowheads on stems is certainly better than putting
arrows in front of stems, which makes such a mess out of flamenco.
Take a look at http://www.openguitar.com/files/tengtr.pdf
section 3.6 on page 8.  You might like that a lot better than messing
with arrows at all.  I know I do.  :-) DaveA


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Re: \key

2002-09-29 Thread Graham Percival

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 03:20:54 -0700
Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:
 Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Ah.  Are you certain that, if you think about it, you are not
 confusing `quite logical' with `more like Finale happens to do it'?
 
 By quite logical I meant the least work.  Finale and some other GUI 
 programs do it that way to save work.  I have just installed RoseGarden 
 and I see that it has a 'Follow key' button.

I don't think that it would save work.  The difference between writing
f and fis is very small, and avoids problems with the f means #f
in D major:
- What if you write the piece in D major, then decide to make it G major
instead?  Now you need to go back and manually change all c to cis.
- What if you're writing a piece with many key signatures changes?  You'd
have to remember where each change was, so that you'd know whether to
write fis or f to get an f-sharp.  That might be easy in a one-page
classical piece, but what about a twenty-page orchestral score of
modern music?
- What if you're writing a piece in C major and you want to include a
melody from a different piece in D major?  You'd have to cut and paste,
and then go through adding is.

 Are you referring some particular software.  I use Mozilla mail-news and 
 don't know what that option means.  Why would this only be happening in 
 this thread?

As others have pointed out, we reply to you and the list; that means that
you get two copies.  That's the normal way we reply to emails; it means
that even somebody who isn't on the list gets our replies.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: stem fix 2

2002-09-29 Thread David Raleigh Arnold

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:12:48 Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  What do you mean?
  #'merge-differently-dotted does the opposite of what we need -
  effectively ruining my hack.
  Please post full example if you have some smart way of typesetting a //
  a  WITHOUT merging the noteheads.
 
 Yes. Simply add some code to note-collision.cc. 
 
 :)
/usr/share/doc/lilypond/examples/input/test/force-hshift.fly
/usr/share/doc/lilypond/examples/input/test/force-hshift.ly
/usr/share/doc/lilypond/examples/input/test/hshift.fly
/usr/share/doc/lilypond/examples/input/test/hshift.ly
/usr/share/doc/lilypond/examples/input/test/note-shift.ly
/usr/share/doc/lilypond/examples/input/test/note-shift.sly

I hope this isn't gone.  DaveA


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Re: font problems

2002-09-29 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen

Brishen Viaud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yes you were both right, it was old fonts causing the problem.  I had run
 the 'clean-fonts' script a few times, and had tried to go through manually
 and get rid of some of the fonts but I had obviousliy missed some.  Now
 that I've removed them Im getting great results.  Thanks!

But that means the clean-fonts script leaves some fonts on the system.
Do you know what fonts it failed to remove?  We could maybe improve
the script.

Jan.

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Re: \key

2002-09-29 Thread Paul Scott

Laura Conrad wrote:

Paul == Paul Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:



 p.s. I am getting two copies of everything from this thread.  The
 first one of each pair lacks the last three identification lines.
 

 You shoud set your Mail-Followup-To: header.
 
Paul Are you referring some particular software.  I use Mozilla mail-news
Paul and don't know what that option means.  Why would this only be
Paul happening in this thread?

Because in this list, the default behavior is to reply to the poster,

You are clearly talkling about human behavior not software behavior.  I 
am subscribed to several Debian lists where Reply doesn't go to the list 
as it does with the other lists I am subscribed to.  For the Debian 
lists I change the addressee to the list address after I hit Reply as I 
am doing with lilypond-user.  On the Debian lists a non-subscribed user 
will specifically request a personal reply. 

Mail-Followup-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Again, this must apply to certain e-mail software.  I am not of aware of 
this option with Mozilla.

But I just deal with getting both copies, myself.  

I guess it's not so bad if the only duplicates I get are the ones sent 
to me in this manner and not everything from the list.

Thanks,

Paul




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Re: Using multiple versions of lilypond

2002-09-29 Thread Antonio PALAMA'

Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote:


Well, that's currently not easily possible without doing some work.

However, there should be no need to run different versions: newer
(stable) versions should be better.  If not, please file a full bug
report.


Here is a problem I've got and wasn't able to solve.

Subject: Circled reharsal marks.

With 1.2.17 I could produce beautiful circled rehearsal marks with the 
following
code

\mark {\\font\\twelverm=cmbx12\\twelverm{%
\\hspace{-3mm}%
\\raisebox{-1mm}{%
\\setlength{\\unitlength}{1mm}%
\\begin{picture}(7,7)%
\\put(3.5,3.5){\\circle{7.0}\\makebox(0,0){A}}%
\\end{picture}%
}%
}};

With 1.4.12 the circled rehearsal marks were still produced but a large amount
of whitespace was inseted in the score between the mark and the first note
following. With 1.6.2 the rehearsal mark is not printed at all but the extra
whitespace is still there.

Thank you for your help,

Antonio






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Re: Talking about stems...

2002-09-29 Thread Paul Dumais

I see what you mean: using letter codes instead of weird stems.  I'll
give it a try.  It's certainly easier to produce with Lilypond (or with
any software, for that matter).

Thanks,

-- 
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