Re: Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics

2011-10-20 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 03:26, David Rogers davidandrewrog...@gmail.com wrote:
 This will alert the singer, at the time they need to know, this is only
 half of the word. In your proposal, if another voice (or the accompaniment)
 has a lot of notes, the dash could end up in the middle of nowhere, even
 potentially on the next line.

It does not indicate 'this is half a word' in his case, but 'this is a
parenthesis', so i would lessen the confusion (I think!).

Christ van Willegen
-- 
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0

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Re: Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics

2011-10-20 Thread Mats Bengtsson

Christ van Willegen cvwillegen at gmail.com writes:

 
 On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 03:26, David Rogers davidandrewrogers at gmail.com
wrote:
  This will alert the singer, at the time they need to know, this is only
  half of the word. In your proposal, if another voice (or the accompaniment)
  has a lot of notes, the dash could end up in the middle of nowhere, even
  potentially on the next line.
 
 It does not indicate 'this is half a word' in his case, but 'this is a
 parenthesis', so i would lessen the confusion (I think!).
 
 Christ van Willegen


For completeness, I hope you know about http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=680,
even though it does not answer this specific question.

 /Mats



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clashing note columns

2011-10-20 Thread David Bobroff
In a piece I'm doing in LilyPond I have a lot more single-staff 
polyphony than I've dealt with before.  I'm getting loads of:


warning: ignoring too many clashing note columns

The *output* looks fine.

Example: http://notendur.centrum.is/~bobroff/lily/measure.png

The 'd' in the half-note chord is tied over from the eighth note and is 
in the upper voice.  If I don't flip the stem direction the stem is up 
and the note head offset.  If I flip the stem it lines up as in the 
original (shown in the link) but I get the warning.  Should I just 
ignore this and put up with the warnings?  It is, of course, more 
important that the output look good, but I'd also like a 'clean' 
LilyPond run, too.


-David

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Re: clashing note columns

2011-10-20 Thread David Bobroff

On 10/20/2011 8:46 AM, David Bobroff wrote:
In a piece I'm doing in LilyPond I have a lot more single-staff 
polyphony than I've dealt with before.  I'm getting loads of:


warning: ignoring too many clashing note columns

The *output* looks fine.

Example: http://notendur.centrum.is/~bobroff/lily/measure.png

The 'd' in the half-note chord is tied over from the eighth note and 
is in the upper voice.  If I don't flip the stem direction the stem is 
up and the note head offset.  If I flip the stem it lines up as in the 
original (shown in the link) but I get the warning.  Should I just 
ignore this and put up with the warnings?  It is, of course, more 
important that the output look good, but I'd also like a 'clean' 
LilyPond run, too.


-David

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Ah, it seems I found my answer here:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.14/Documentation/snippets/simultaneous-notes#suppressing-warnings-for-clashing-note-columns

-David

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Re: clashing note columns

2011-10-20 Thread Nick Payne

)On 20/10/11 20:12, David Bobroff wrote:

On 10/20/2011 8:46 AM, David Bobroff wrote:
In a piece I'm doing in LilyPond I have a lot more single-staff 
polyphony than I've dealt with before.  I'm getting loads of:


warning: ignoring too many clashing note columns

The *output* looks fine.


Ah, it seems I found my answer here:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.14/Documentation/snippets/simultaneous-notes#suppressing-warnings-for-clashing-note-columns


Just be aware that if you turn on this override (\override NoteColumn 
#'ignore-collision = ##t), and are also merging differently headed notes 
in different voices, then the heads of merged half notes get filled in. 
Without the override they don't:


\version 2.15.14

\relative c' {
\mergeDifferentlyHeadedOn
 { c16 a' b a } \\ { c,2 } 
\override NoteColumn #'ignore-collision = ##t
 { c16 a' b a } \\ { c,2 } 
}


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Change in convert-ly with 2.15.14?

2011-10-20 Thread Nick Payne
I use jEdit with Lilypondtool to edit ly source files. I recently 
installed LP 2.15.14, and now, when I open an ly file in jEdit and run 
convert-ly from the Lilypondtool menu or toolbar, I get two error 
dialogs from jEdit. The first is titled I/O Error and says Each 
buffer can only execute one I/O operation at a time. Please wait until 
the current operation finishes before starting another one. Behind that 
is another dialog titled Files changed on disk, and says 
Automatically reloaded: , followed by the name of the file.


I haven't seen these messages before when running previous versions of 
convert-ly with the same editing setup, and I have been using jEdit and 
Lilypondtool for a considerable time without any version upgrade to 
either. jEdit 4.4.1 and Lilypondtool 2.12.932 on Ubuntu amd64. In the 
jEdit global options I have it set to automatically reload open files if 
they are changed on disk, but this is how I have always had it set, and 
these error messages have only been appearing since installing LP 2.15.14.


Nick


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Re: A problem with lilypond

2011-10-20 Thread Francisco Vila
2011/10/20 Martin Tarenskeen m.tarensk...@zonnet.nl:
 On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Francisco Vila wrote:
 2011/10/19  musicar...@pop.com.br:
 I were wondering if there is someway to fill the code and at same time
 generating the score for me to see what I am writting?
 When I am typing music with Frescobaldi, I usually type a measure at a
 time and press CTLR-M immediately, then I continue typing without
 waiting for LilyPond to finish.
 Sure, that puts the CPU in heavy load, but only for the period I am
 transcribing intensively.

 I have tried different text-to-score music typesetting systems (mup,
 abcm2ps, pmw, and lilypond). Lilypond has become my first choice because of
 flexibility and quality of output. But compared to the other ones, speed is
 not it's strongest point. It is I think the flexibility (=complexity) in
 combination with the Scheme interpreted language that makes it slow. The
 competitors I mention are all 100% hardcoded compiled C programs. Lilypond
 is easier to tweak by the end-user thanks to the Scheme language.

 The trick musicar...@pop.com.br is asking for is possible with for example
 EasyABC, using abcm2ps, and it works pretty good for small to medium sized
 scores.

 But to end positively: today's fast computers make it already much easier to
 live with Lilypond's slowness.

I think that LilyPond is not especially slow considering what it does:
it does not limit itself to stroke your commands on a paper.  It
performs a beauty contest in search of optimal layouts given a bunch
of typesetting rules and restraints.  That way you can firstly
concentrate on music until you decide that you want this or that
forced layout.

-- 
Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain)
www.paconet.org , www.csmbadajoz.com

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Re: the interaction of \paper spacing variables

2011-10-20 Thread Ewald Gutenkunst
if you are using that:

 \context {

   \Score 
   \override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'line-break-permission = ##f
\override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'page-break-permission = ##f
}

you are completely self responsible for all breaks - perhaps this helps


cheers
Ewald


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Error in lily-library.scm with 2.15.14

2011-10-20 Thread Nick Payne
I have one score that when when I try to build it with 2.15.14, I get 
the following output in the log.


===
Processing `/home/nick/lilypond/chaconne.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting music... 
[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64][72][80][88][96][104][112][120][128][136][144][152][160][168][176][184][192][200][208][216][224][232][240][248][256]

Preprocessing graphical objects...
Interpreting music... 
/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5: 
In procedure ly:book-process in expression (process-procedure book paper 
...):
/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5: 
Wrong type (expecting exact integer): -1.0

===

I don't get this error with any of the other scores I have built with 
2.15.14, and this score built without error on 2.14 and hasn't been 
modified since except by running convert-ly against it.


I copied the score across to a Windows machine with 2.14.2 installed, 
changed the \version statement back to 2.14.2, and it built without any 
error. The machine with 2.15.14 installed is running Ubuntu amd64.


Nick

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rendering only a part of a score

2011-10-20 Thread Ewald Gutenkunst
Dear community,

is there any way to render only a part of a score? I know the functions 
 
showFirst/LastLength = R1*5and
Score.skipTypesetting = ##t ##f

but, for example, if i want to do a fine tuning of some objects,
the layout ist lost in that range, so I have to render the complete score to 
see the exact difference.

I see the problem, that a little change anywhere can affect the complete 
layout, page- and system breaking and perhaps there is theoretically no way, 
but it would be a great help, if all changes, overrides, slur/tie beginnings 
would be present in that selected range.

What's about a fast rendering option for a few bars, with all important 
information, but without any breakings and page-layout - only rendered in one 
vertically system - like the Panorama view in Sibelius?


thanks
Ewald


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Re: rendering only a part of a score

2011-10-20 Thread Nick Payne

On 20/10/11 21:31, Ewald Gutenkunst wrote:

Dear community,

is there any way to render only a part of a score? I know the functions

showFirst/LastLength = R1*5and
Score.skipTypesetting = ##t ##f

but, for example, if i want to do a fine tuning of some objects,
the layout ist lost in that range, so I have to render the complete score to 
see the exact difference.

I see the problem, that a little change anywhere can affect the complete 
layout, page- and system breaking and perhaps there is theoretically no way, 
but it would be a great help, if all changes, overrides, slur/tie beginnings 
would be present in that selected range.

What's about a fast rendering option for a few bars, with all important 
information, but without any breakings and page-layout - only rendered in one vertically 
system - like the Panorama view in Sibelius?


You can use the %{.%} construction to comment out an arbitrarily 
large section of the score. You can use that in combination with 
showFirstLength/showLastLength to only render a few bars in the section 
you are working on. I use this exact method when I'm adding fingerings 
to an existing complete score. Provided you have %{ on a line by itself, 
then when you have finished you just add another percent symbol to the 
opening bracket to have it treated as a comment and ignored (i.e. %%{ 
will be treated as a comment whereas %{ is treated as the start of a 
comment block).


Nick

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Re: Error in lily-library.scm with 2.15.14

2011-10-20 Thread David Kastrup
Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net writes:

 I have one score that when when I try to build it with 2.15.14, I get
 the following output in the log.

 ===
 Processing `/home/nick/lilypond/chaconne.ly'
 Parsing...
 Interpreting
 music... 
 [8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64][72][80][88][96][104][112][120][128][136][144][152][160][168][176][184][192][200][208][216][224][232][240][248][256]
 Preprocessing graphical objects...
 Interpreting
 music... 
 /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5:
 In procedure ly:book-process in expression (process-procedure book
 paper ...):
 /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5:
 Wrong type (expecting exact integer): -1.0
 ===

 I don't get this error with any of the other scores I have built with
 2.15.14, and this score built without error on 2.14 and hasn't been
 modified since except by running convert-ly against it.

 I copied the score across to a Windows machine with 2.14.2 installed,
 changed the \version statement back to 2.14.2, and it built without
 any error. The machine with 2.15.14 installed is running Ubuntu amd64.

There are no guarantees that working code relying on undefined behavior
will continue to work in later Lilypond versions.  And even defined
behavior may change.

Try boiling down your source file to a level where it still triggers the
error but is small enough to post here.

Unfortunately, the error message is really bad for pinpointing the
problem.  It may be the case that code that is responsible for creating
good error messages is currently broken: in that case it would be doubly
helpful if you managed to create a minimal example exhibiting the
problem.  Even if the actual problem might be with the Lilypond
document, being able to improve the error reporting would be good.

-- 
David Kastrup


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Re: the interaction of \paper spacing variables

2011-10-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Ewald,

 if you are using that:
 
 \context {
 
   \Score 
   \override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'line-break-permission = ##f
\override NonMusicalPaperColumn #'page-break-permission = ##f
 }
 
 you are completely self responsible for all breaks - perhaps this helps

Thank you, but I already know about those — in fact, that's how I manually 
determined the final output I prefer. Now I want to turn those permissions back 
on, and let Lilypond do the breaking, but get the same output (in terms of page 
and system counts).

Cheers,
Kieren.
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Re: Error in lily-library.scm with 2.15.14

2011-10-20 Thread Neil Puttock
On 20 October 2011 11:23, Nick Payne nick.pa...@internode.on.net wrote:

 I don't get this error with any of the other scores I have built with
 2.15.14, and this score built without error on 2.14 and hasn't been modified
 since except by running convert-ly against it.

Can you recompile the code using the verbose option?  That should give
a better indication of where Guile is complaining.

Cheers,
Neil

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Re: the interaction of \paper spacing variables

2011-10-20 Thread -Eluze



Kieren MacMillan wrote:
 
 Hello, all!
 
 I'm using 2.15.14, and finding certain \paper variables not working as I
 would have thought.
 
 Manually forcing line and page breaks, I found a format I like: 1 page of
 3 systems, then 4 pages of 4 systems each, for a total of 19 systems over
 5 pages. So I inserted a \pageBreak where I wanted it in the music, and
 then used
 
 \paper {
   system-count = 19
   page-count = 5
 }
 
 This did not accomplish what I wanted — in fact, I ended up with 8 pages
 [!!].
 Why doesn't this work? Is there anything I can do to get what I want,
 short of manually forcing the line and page breaks?
 
 
hi Kieren

just another idea - try min-systems-per-page = #3 and/or
max-systems-per-page = 4. 

i know in the past they had more effect than other commands (however i don't
remember when that was).

Eluze
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Re: rendering only a part of a score

2011-10-20 Thread Ewald Gutenkunst
Hi Nick,

thanks, I didn't know, that a second percent cancels the comment block!

There are normaly a lot of variables in my scores so I tried another thing:  
changing the range for all staves in one step.
It works not so bad, but the problem is still the same: 
a lot of warnings -  not all slur/ties are printed correct and the lyrics are 
displaced (because of skipped melismata?).


myskip = {  \set Score.skipTypesetting = ##t   s1*12
% start  in bar 12 
\set Score.skipTypesetting = ##f
s1 *3   
% for 3  bars
\set Score.skipTypesetting = ##t  }


Then you can put  \myskip in any Staff (only in one) with 

  {\theMusic } { \myskip}% without the \\ between



cheers
Ewald
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OT: A convenient tool for practicing short passages of music

2011-10-20 Thread Michael Ellis
http://www.essej.net/slforum/viewtopic.php?f=17p=2666#p2666

The link above takes you to a short python script I shared on the
SooperLooper forum.  SooperLooper is an open source audio loop application
that runs on Linux or OS-X.  The script I posted provides a command line
interface that lets you compactly specify an arbitrary sequence of measure
lengths and tempos.  When launched it provides a visual metronome (prints 1
2 3 ... in rhythm for each measure) and alternates between recording what
you play or sing and playing it back to you.  Simple-minded but exactly the
practice tool I've always wanted. So far I'm very happy with it.

Requirements:

   1. SooperLooper installed and running (implies JACK also installed and
   running)
   2. liblo and pyliblo installed
   3. python2.7  (because I used argparse)

Cheers,
Mike
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Re: Error in lily-library.scm with 2.15.14

2011-10-20 Thread Nick Payne

On 20/10/11 23:54, Neil Puttock wrote:

On 20 October 2011 11:23, Nick Paynenick.pa...@internode.on.net  wrote:


I don't get this error with any of the other scores I have built with
2.15.14, and this score built without error on 2.14 and hasn't been modified
since except by running convert-ly against it.

Can you recompile the code using the verbose option?  That should give
a better indication of where Guile is complaining.


This would seem to be the relevant part of the log file when I use that 
option:


Interpreting music...
elapsed time: 0.15 secondsBacktrace:
In unknown file:
   ?:  0* [lilypond-main (chaconne.ly)]
In /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily.scm:
 808:  1* (let* ((failed #)) (if (ly:get-option #) (begin #)) ...)
 808:  2* [lilypond-all (chaconne.ly)]
 821:  3  (let* ((failed #) (separate-logs #) (ping-log #) ...) (gc) ...)
 832:  4* [for-each #procedure #f (x) (chaconne.ly)]
In unknown file:
   ?:  5* [#procedure #f (x) chaconne.ly]
In /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily.scm:
 834:  6* (let* (# # #) (if separate-logs #) (if ping-log #) ...)
 845:  7* [lilypond-file #procedure #f # chaconne.ly]
 872:  8  [catch ly-file-failed #procedure #f () #procedure #f (x . 
args)]

In unknown file:
   ?:  9* [#procedure #f ()]
In /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily.scm:
 873: 10* [ly:parse-file chaconne.ly]
In /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/ly/init.ly:
  48: 11* (let* ((book-handler #)) (cond (# #) (# #)))
  51: 12  (cond (# #) (# #))
In /usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:
...
 210: 13  [ly:book-process #Book # Output_def ...]

/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5: 
In procedure ly:book-process in expression (process-procedure book paper 
...):
/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5: 
Wrong type (expecting exact integer): -1.0



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\times 2/3{ }

2011-10-20 Thread MING TSANG
Hi, lily users:

I am coding a score (57 bars) which contains 100+ \times 2/3{ } in the left 
hand piano . I try to code 'tm = \times 2/3' then use it as '\tm{c8 d8 c8}' and 
this isn't working.

Is there any other way to shorten '\times 2/3{ }' construct so that I don't 
need to type '\times 2/3' 100+ times?

 
Blessing in+,
Ming.
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Re: \times 2/3{ }

2011-10-20 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 20 October 2011 20:07, MING TSANG tsan...@rogers.com wrote:
 Hi, lily users:
 I am coding a score (57 bars) which contains 100+ \times 2/3{ } in the
 left hand piano . I try to code 'tm = \times 2/3' then use it as '\tm{c8 d8
 c8}' and this isn't working.
 Is there any other way to shorten '\times 2/3{ }' construct so that I don't
 need to type '\times 2/3' 100+ times?

Hi,

You must use a music function.
See LSR #328 Shorthand for triplets :
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=328

tm = #(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?)
  #{ \times 2/3 $music #})

{
  \tm { c8 d c }
}

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: \times 2/3{ }

2011-10-20 Thread Xavier Scheuer
On 20 October 2011 20:07, MING TSANG tsan...@rogers.com wrote:
 Hi, lily users:
 I am coding a score (57 bars) which contains 100+ \times 2/3{ } in the
 left hand piano . I try to code 'tm = \times 2/3' then use it as '\tm{c8 d8
 c8}' and this isn't working.
 Is there any other way to shorten '\times 2/3{ }' construct so that I don't
 need to type '\times 2/3' 100+ times?

Hi,

You must use a music function.
See LSR #328 Shorthand for triplets :
http://lsr.dsi.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=328

tm = #(define-music-function (parser location music) (ly:music?)
 #{ \times 2/3 $music #})

{
 \tm { c8 d c }
}

Cheers,
Xavier

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Re: Error in lily-library.scm with 2.15.14

2011-10-20 Thread Nick Payne

On 20/10/11 21:50, David Kastrup wrote:

Nick Paynenick.pa...@internode.on.net  writes:


I have one score that when when I try to build it with 2.15.14, I get
the following output in the log.

===
Processing `/home/nick/lilypond/chaconne.ly'
Parsing...
Interpreting
music... 
[8][16][24][32][40][48][56][64][72][80][88][96][104][112][120][128][136][144][152][160][168][176][184][192][200][208][216][224][232][240][248][256]
Preprocessing graphical objects...
Interpreting
music... 
/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5:
In procedure ly:book-process in expression (process-procedure book
paper ...):
/usr/local/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/scm/lily-library.scm:210:5:
Wrong type (expecting exact integer): -1.0
===

I don't get this error with any of the other scores I have built with
2.15.14, and this score built without error on 2.14 and hasn't been
modified since except by running convert-ly against it.

I copied the score across to a Windows machine with 2.14.2 installed,
changed the \version statement back to 2.14.2, and it built without
any error. The machine with 2.15.14 installed is running Ubuntu amd64.

There are no guarantees that working code relying on undefined behavior
will continue to work in later Lilypond versions.  And even defined
behavior may change.

Try boiling down your source file to a level where it still triggers the
error but is small enough to post here.


This creates the error:

\version 2.15.14

\paper {
first-page-number = -1
}

\relative c {
c1
}

Setting first page number to -1 seems to be the problem. In the actual 
score, I set this, in conjunction with custom headers and footers, to 
start page numbering with 1 on the third page - first page is the 
frontispiece, second page is blank.


Nick

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Re: \times 2/3{ }

2011-10-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Ming,

If the tuplets are consecutive, then you can use \set tupletSpannerDuration.
See the Notation manual for more information.

Hope this helps,
Kieren.

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Re: Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics

2011-10-20 Thread David Rogers

Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se writes:

Christ van Willegen cvwillegen at gmail.com writes: 

 On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 03:26, David Rogers davidandrewrogers 
at gmail.com 
wrote: 
 This will alert the singer, at the time they need to know, 
 this is only half of the word. In your proposal, if another 
 voice (or the accompaniment) has a lot of notes, the dash 
 could end up in the middle of nowhere, even potentially on 
 the next line. 
 It does not indicate 'this is half a word' in his case, but 
'this is a parenthesis', so i would lessen the confusion (I 
think!).


I did forget about the kind of dash, but my point is still the 
same.


I don't agree with giving the dash to an invisible note, because 
of the potential it creates for the dash to be in the middle of 
nowhere, where the singer might miss it or might read it as a 
printing error. If evenly spaced between the syllables turns out 
to mean two staffs of the piano's sixteenth notes later or 
sixty millimetres away from the nearest word then the meaning is 
lost.


Attach it to the syllable, adding two, three, even six spaces if 
you want. Or attach it to the following syllable and right-align 
that syllable, if that works better. But in the context of lyrics, 
punctuation IMO must attach to the words (even if with the 
addition of some spaces) or else it will be easily ignored or 
misinterpreted. Lonely punctuation has a high likelihood of 
being interpreted as part of a stray dynamic spanner line, a 
misplaced tenuto or staccato, or as random garbage.


--
David

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Re: \times 2/3{ }

2011-10-20 Thread MING TSANG
Thank you Xavier  Kieren:  This tip saves me lots of typing.

 




From: Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca
To: MING TSANG tsan...@rogers.com
Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List lilypond-user@gnu.org; Xavier Scheuer 
x.sche...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:50:57 PM
Subject: Re: \times 2/3{ }

Hi Ming,

If the tuplets are consecutive, then you can use \set tupletSpannerDuration.
See the Notation manual for more information.

Hope this helps,
Kieren.


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Re: Vowel with Umlaut

2011-10-20 Thread GRAEME F ST CLAIR
Somewhat late reply - being married (and retired), if we 
aren't in *my* Dr's office, we're in hers...


I don't think the Emacs I recovered was all that 
problematic - it's 22.3 and I only acquired it in the 
Spring.  But it was the fearful array of ctrl+this and 
alt+that in the tutorial that persuaded me the learning 
curve was going to be close to vertical.


And Notepad++ seemed to do exactly what I wanted - I might 
even revisit my earlier perl+php+sql project and take some 
mangling back out when I'm more confident with NP++...


Certainly didn't mean to start a discussion of editors!

Tx again to all, rgds, GFStC.


On Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:29:03 +0200
 David Kastrup d...@gnu.org wrote:
GRAEME F ST CLAIR graeme_st_cl...@atlanticbb.net 
writes:


Well, I plowtered (Scottish word) around with jEdit, but 
didn't get
much where, so I recovered a Windows Emacs from backup, 
that I'd never
got round to trying, installed it and got exactly 
nowhere with that
either - like vi, It's a Unix thang, I wouldn't 
understand...


Recovering a Windows Emacs from backup is probably not 
the best idea
since it is under furious development (surprisingly so 
for a 30 year old
piece of software) and a lot of focus is on making it 
less of a Unix

thang.

If you want to give it a fair try, you should install a 
reasonably
current version.  It won't be easier to understand, but 
you'll be able
to do a lot even without understanding.  Are you 
married?


--
David Kastrup



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Re: Vowel with Umlaut

2011-10-20 Thread Tim Roberts
GRAEME F ST CLAIR wrote:
 Certainly didn't mean to start a discussion of editors!

It is a sure-fire way to start a conversation.  Editors are like
underwear.  Everyone has their favorite brand, the choice is very
personal, and you'll never convince someone in a rational argument to
switch brands.

-- 
Tim Roberts, t...@probo.com
Providenza  Boekelheide, Inc.


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Re: Alternative note inserting for guitar tabs

2011-10-20 Thread davehtx

Hi Lilyjoe. As far as I know, to make a tab in Lilypond you have to input
note names. You should try TuxGuitar. It allows you to make tabs by
specifying string- and fret-numbers (you don't need to know he notes).
TuxGuitar can also export a Lilypond file. So: 1) download TuxGuitar, 2)
type in your strings  / fret numbers to make the tab 3) export it from
TuxGuitar to Lilypond format 4) process the resulting .ly file with Lilypond
and get a beautifully typeset tab...

http://tuxguitar.herac.com.ar/download.html Download TuxGuitar here. 

Hope this helps!
--Dave


lilyjoe wrote:
 
 I've to write a very basic guitar tab, no need to add tempo and other
 infos, just number of frets and the way to play notes (hammer on, pull
 off, bendings, slides and so on).
 I like lilypond outputs, but I don't know music. It's hard for me to write
 a tab by insert notes as a b c... I'd like to write by insert notes in the
 form fret/string, I find it very usefull.
 

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Re: Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics

2011-10-20 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Peter,

 Note: With the hidden note(s) the bar-marks came out of synch with the 
 visible notes, so I had to resort to using \cadenceOn in combination with 
 \bar.

I'm 99% sure this isn't necessary.
Don't forget that you can adjust the effective length of a note (even a hidden 
one) by using a multiplier (e.g., c4*0 or c4*2/3.).

 is there any way of specifying the physical width of the hidden not that is 
 aligned with the first en-dash?

Override the #'X-extent and/or #'extra-spacing width.

Hope this helps!
Kieren.
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Re: Disappearing hyphens (endashes) in lyrics

2011-10-20 Thread David Kastrup
Peter Olin peter.o...@gmail.com writes:

 Thanks all for help. It's starting to look quite nice.

Please don't ever append a mail you are referring to at the bottom when
in a mailing list.  Quote only the relevant parts of the mail (using a
citation mark like I do here) and reply to each point immediately
below.  Never cite anything that you are not referring to.

In this case, you appended a whole daily or weekly digest without any
reason.  As a rule, you should _never_, whether you are quoting or not,
reply to a digest since a mail reader, when replying, puts referral
marks in the headers that other mail readers use for organizing
discussion threads.  When you reply to a digest, those headers become
useless.

Anyway, your reply, containing a whole daily digest, will be a part of
the next daily digest.  Can you imagine what happens if such a
digest-quote occurs daily or more often?

-- 
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Re: Vowel with Umlaut

2011-10-20 Thread David Kastrup
GRAEME F ST CLAIR graeme_st_cl...@atlanticbb.net writes:

 Somewhat late reply - being married (and retired), if we aren't in
 *my* Dr's office, we're in hers...

 I don't think the Emacs I recovered was all that problematic - it's
 22.3 and I only acquired it in the Spring.

Then you should change your source.  The 22.x series is rather old (22.3
was released in 2008 and is a bug fix release of 22.1 released in 2007)
and was before the last large user interface rearrangements.

Emacs 23.1 was released in 2009, the current version is 23.3.

 But it was the fearful array of ctrl+this and alt+that in the tutorial
 that persuaded me the learning curve was going to be close to
 vertical.

Interesting.  So if you had not noticed the tutorial, you might have
tried it for longer.

What if Notepad++ came with a tutorial explaining most of its keystrokes
and concepts?  Would that have given Emacs a better chance?

 Certainly didn't mean to start a discussion of editors!

Editors are all doing the same job, like cars.  Mention one, in
particular disliking one, and you have a discussion.

-- 
David Kastrup


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