Re: Multiple place number skip ranges

[David Wright]

On Thu 05 May 2016 at 13:57:33 (+1000), Andrew Bernard wrote:
> David Nalesnik and various others I think have written scheme to allow you to 
> skip a range of numbers when page numbering, or to give a direct list of page 
> numbers to be used. I want to be able to specify something like this list to 
> only have the specified ranges printed, all in one continous score (yes, 
> there is a use case for this!).
> 
> ((1 24) (52 64) (70 80) (100 110))
> 
> Of course, alternatively you could have list of ranges to skip rather than 
> include.
> 
> Has anybody written something like this?
> 
> I case people are wondering, it’s for writing a score where the work is 
> incomplete, but the composer needs the page numbers of the completed sections 
> to correspond to the actual page numbers in his MS. I can’t use bookparts or 
> similar as the score sections start and stop midpage generally, not at 
> logical page breaks.

Nope. I can only suggest a workaround.

\pageBreak % skips to the next page...
\markup { " " }
\pageBreak % ...and that leaves a page blank (except the page number).

Skip all the pages you haven't yet written using that construction.
Run LP. Then
$ pdftk output-file.pdf burst
will give you a set of files called pg_0001.pdf, pg_0002.pdf etc.
The empty pages will be fairly obvious from the file sizes even
without opening them. Delete them manually or otherwise. Then
$ pdftk pg_*.pdf cat output decimated-output.pdf
will concatenate the remaining pages into a single file.

AFAICT the pdftk version distributed with linux (Debian) does
everything advertised for PDFtkPro on its webpage (though the
encryption is explained wrongly on the man page).

Cheers,
David.

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Multiple place number skip ranges

[Andrew Bernard]

David Nalesnik and various others I think have written scheme to allow you to 
skip a range of numbers when page numbering, or to give a direct list of page 
numbers to be used. I want to be able to specify something like this list to 
only have the specified ranges printed, all in one continous score (yes, there 
is a use case for this!).

((1 24) (52 64) (70 80) (100 110))

Of course, alternatively you could have list of ranges to skip rather than 
include.

Has anybody written something like this?

I case people are wondering, it’s for writing a score where the work is 
incomplete, but the composer needs the page numbers of the completed sections 
to correspond to the actual page numbers in his MS. I can’t use bookparts or 
similar as the score sections start and stop midpage generally, not at logical 
page breaks.

Andrew



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Re:attachments and digest mode

[Cynthia Karl]

> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:21:28 -0500
> From: David Wright 
> To: Flaming Hakama by Elaine 
> Subject: Re: attachments and digest mode
> 
> On Fri 29 Apr 2016 at 17:05:05 (-0700), Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote:
> 
>> I will note, however, that the suggestions about using images or
>> attachments don't seem to work with the list in digest mode.
>> 
>> Choosing an example from the latest digest, the attachment link yeilds a
>> 404 error.
>> 
>> Is that intentional, that attachments are neither included in the digest,
>> nor are they available through links?
> 
> Some are available through links; just not the ones given in the digest.
> I don't know the particulars of your example because I had already
> deleted it (not interested in chord mode) by the time I read your posting.

In my experience, all are available through links, but never the ones given in 
the digest.
> 
> I pointed this out to the powers that be at gnu.org a while back,
> but that might have been sent too high up the chain of admin. So
> I'll try copying David Linn into this email instead.

This thread is dying a quick death.  I have raised this issue with the 
nonsensical digest attachments several times in the last several years.  Those 
threads also died a quick death.  I wonder how many get the Lilypond user list 
via the digest rather than as individual emails.  I would guess maybe 4 or 5 
get the digest, or else this issue would get at least a little attention. 

Did you succeed in copying David Linn?  Did you get a response?  I don’t think 
he’s responded on the list.  Do you know any powers that be at gnu.org that are 
a little lower in the hierarchy?

Does anyone that gets the digest receive valid attachment URLs?

Thanks,
Pat Karl


> 
> Cheers,
> David.


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Re: Slurs collision with note heads

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

> >Hello!
> >
> >I'm not very experienced user of lilypond and I would like to ask you for
> >help. In this example I have a rather ugly slurs collision with noteheads:
>

As Carl pointed out, this is really Tie collisions with Stems.

The tweaks to ties are described in
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/notation/modifying-shapes#modifying-ties-and-slurs

I had to rearrange how the voices are specified since many other commands
like \stemUp and \shape don't seem to work in << >> constructs.


\version "2.19.40"

\new Staff {
\clef bass
\time 3/4
<<
{ \stemDown c'2.-\shape #'((0 . 0.5) (-0.5 . 1) (0.5 . 1) (0 . 0.2)) ~
c'2.-\shape #'((0 . 0.2) (-0.5 . 1) (0.5 . 1) (0 . 0)) ~ c'2. } \\
{ \stemDown d2. ~ d2. ~ d2. } \\
{ as4 g f | g as b | as g2 }
>>
}



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Re: London-Heathrow

[Urs Liska]

Am 04.05.2016 um 15:58 schrieb Phil Holmes:
> Depending on how much your budget is, you can easily get to London and
> back in that time:
>
> https://www.heathrowexpress.com/
>

Hm, considering the discussions below I have the impression that 36
Pounds is a little much if I have to expect an hour (at most!) in town.

Am 04.05.2016 um 16:05 schrieb Henry Law:
> The trouble is not the getting to and from the centre of London; it's
> the time that would be taken to get out of the airport, and the time
> that has to be allowed to get back in again in time for your flight!

Indeed!

>
> Let's say:
>
> Touchdown 12:40 (that's what airlines quote); actually arrive at the
> gate say 12:45.
> It could easily take an hour to clear immigration.  13:45

This is something that might take considerably less, but I'm not sure.
I'm an EU citizen - but legally the incoming flight originates in
Switzerland.

> Walk to railway station and buy ticket.  Depends on which terminal you
> come in at but let's say 15 mins.  14:00
> Train to Paddington station is "15 minutes every 15 minutes", so mean
> time from LHR to there is 22.5 mins; say 14:25.
> Paddington itself isn't anywhere you want to see; you need to get on
> the Tube and go a bit further.  Buy ticket, get tube, etc say 20 mins.
> 15:05 you're at Piccadilly Circus, or the South Bank, or wherever.
> Further to the Tower of London.
>
> Now at the other end.  For an international flight you are supposed to
> leave two hours.  

Well, I'm pretty sure I don't need to check in again, as I have already
done so at my initial airport. So I'd "only" need to calculate the
actual distances, security controls and passport control and have to
arrive at the gate 30 minutes before take-off.

> Let's say you don't mind cutting it fine and you plan to be there at
> 16:45.  It took you 1:20 to get into London, so assume 1:15 back out
> again: need to leave at 15:30, giving you 25 minutes of sightseeing!
>
> You could do it more quickly than that, of course, if everything fell
> right.  But it could also take longer, which sounds like major stress ...

... well, that's the calculation I was thinking about. Even if I had an
hour in town that's maybe negligible compared to the effort and maybe
even the worries of missing the connection.

Am 04.05.2016 um 16:25 schrieb Wols Lists:
> If you just want to do some sightseeing, I'd suggest getting the
> Picadilly to Leicester Square (50 mins). That's in the middle of Soho,
> or China Town. Head south to the river, and it takes you to Trafalgar
> Square, Charing Cross Road, St Martin in the Fields, that sort of area.
> From Trafalgar Square you can head down to Westminster and the Houses of
> Parliament. (Then you can catch the Jubilee to Green Park and Picadilly
> back to Heathrow.)
>
> A
Something along these lines would probably be "it". However, as said
above, I'm afraid it's not worth the effort and worries, particularly as
I have to say that I already know that (well, at least I've been there
for a week two years ago.

So I'm afraid I'll have to drop all the helpful further efforts
regarding the ticketing options.

It'll be a rather long time at the airport, but it seems to be the only
*viable* option for me.

Best
Urs


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Re: Slurs collision with note heads

[Simon Albrecht]

On 04.05.2016 20:18, N.S. wrote:

There is «still a collision between the tie and a couple of stems».
I was trying to find some advice in Lilypond manual, and as far as I 
know there is a whiteout property for such cases,


Such intersections of stems and ties/slurs are pretty common and I don’t 
see any need to use whiteout here. It’s a bit of a visual distraction.


but I don't know how to use it for stems. Probably you can give an 
example?


Sure:



\version "2.19.39"

\new Staff {
  \clef bass
  \time 3/4
  <<
{
  as4 g f |
  g as b |
  as g2
}
\\
{
  2.
  
  
}
  >>
}

\layout {
  \context {
\Voice
\override Stem.layer = -2
\override Tie.layer = -3
\override Stem.whiteout = 1
  }
}

%%%

Best, Simon

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Re: London-Heathrow

[Chris Yate]

On Wed, 4 May 2016 at 19:35 Wols Lists  wrote:

>
> And leaves you in Paddington? Okay, there's still a lot in the area, but
> it's not exactly the most touristic bit there. I don't know that area
> that well, you've got, what, Little Venice, Regent's Park, Madame Tussauds?


No, well I could recommend a good pub near Paddington
http://www.mitrelancastergate.com/ -- but in general it's not that great an
area. Quite a few dodgy massage parlours, if that's your thing :-/

So if you do plan to use the tube, there's a general rule of thumb for how
long it takes:
- Allow ten minutes for your journey
- PLUS two minutes for each stop the train makes between the start and
finish of your travel
- PLUS five minutes every time you need to change trains

I also doubt check-in will take 2hrs but Heathrow is a big airport so of
course you need to leave enough time to get to your gate, even if the
customs/security queue is quick.

Chris
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Re: Scheme book (p)review

[John Gourlay]

Urs,

I’d also be happy to give you feedback on your Scheme book. You might recall 
that I’m a former software engineer and academic computer scientist with lots 
of programming experience (including some Lisp) but none with Scheme, 
specifically.

John Gourlay
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Re: London-Heathrow

[Wols Lists]

On 04/05/16 16:01, Phil Holmes wrote:
> - Original Message - From: "Wols Lists" 
> To: "Phil Holmes" ; "lilypond-user"
> ; "Urs Liska" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:25 PM
> Subject: Re: London-Heathrow
> 
> 
> On 04/05/16 14:58, Phil Holmes wrote:
>> Depending on how much your budget is, you can easily get to London and
>> back in that time:
>>
>> https://www.heathrowexpress.com/
>>
> Or the Picadilly line on the tube. Where do you want to go? If you know
> where you want to go, go to tfl.gov.uk and it'll give you route and
> times (it can be temperamental).
> 
> =
> 
> Only problem is that the tube route takes about an hour each way. 
> Allowing 30 mins to get off the plane, 2 hour check-in and some messing
> around, that could leave less than 30 minutes in London.  HR express is
> much more expensive, but much quicker - around 20 minutes.
> 
And leaves you in Paddington? Okay, there's still a lot in the area, but
it's not exactly the most touristic bit there. I don't know that area
that well, you've got, what, Little Venice, Regent's Park, Madame Tussauds?

And is check-in two hours nowadays? I've not flown for a long while, and
they always say two hours when in reality it's often half an hour (not
that Urs should assume this - don't want him to miss his connection!)

Cheers,
Wol


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Re[2]: Slurs collision with note heads

[N . S .]

Thank you very much, Carl! Of course, I've just misused the term «slur».

Anyway, as you wrote, there is «still a collision between the tie and a couple 
of stems». 
I was trying to find some advice in Lilypond manual, and as far as I know there 
is a whiteout property for such cases, but I don't know how to use it for 
stems. Probably you can give an example?
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Re: Slurs collision with note heads

[Carl Sorensen]

HI

On 5/4/16 9:25 AM, "N.S."  wrote:

>
>Hello!
>
>I'm not very experienced user of lilypond and I would like to ask you for
>help. In this example I have a rather ugly slurs collision with noteheads:
>
>

Nikita,

The objects that are colliding with the note heads are ties, not slurs.
This is important to future use.

For this particular case, just make the lower tie point down, by moving
the tie request inside the chord brackets.

\version "2.19.40"

\new Staff {
\clef bass
\time 3/4
<< { as4 g f | g as b | as g2 } \\ { 2.   } >> }


There's still a collision between the tie and a couple of stems in the
upper voice, but I think it solves the worst of the collisions.

Good luck in learning LilyPond!

Carl


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Slurs collision with note heads

[N . S .]

 Hello!

I'm not very experienced user of lilypond and I would like to ask you for help. 
In this example I have a rather ugly slurs collision with noteheads:

\version "2.19.40"

\new Staff {
\clef bass
\time 3/4
<< { as4 g f | g as b | as g2 } \\ { 2.^~ ^~  } >> }

How can I modify the output?

Many thanks in advance!


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Re: London-Heathrow

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: "Wols Lists" 
To: "Phil Holmes" ; "lilypond-user" 
; "Urs Liska" 

Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: London-Heathrow


On 04/05/16 14:58, Phil Holmes wrote:

Depending on how much your budget is, you can easily get to London and
back in that time:

https://www.heathrowexpress.com/


Or the Picadilly line on the tube. Where do you want to go? If you know
where you want to go, go to tfl.gov.uk and it'll give you route and
times (it can be temperamental).

=

Only problem is that the tube route takes about an hour each way.  Allowing 
30 mins to get off the plane, 2 hour check-in and some messing around, that 
could leave less than 30 minutes in London.  HR express is much more 
expensive, but much quicker - around 20 minutes.


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Re: London-Heathrow

[Chris Yate]

On 4 May 2016 at 15:25, Wols Lists  wrote:
> If you just want to do some sightseeing, I'd suggest getting the
> Picadilly to Leicester Square (50 mins). That's in the middle of Soho,
> or China Town. Head south to the river, and it takes you to Trafalgar
> Square, Charing Cross Road, St Martin in the Fields, that sort of area.
> From Trafalgar Square you can head down to Westminster and the Houses of
> Parliament. (Then you can catch the Jubilee to Green Park and Picadilly
> back to Heathrow.)
>
> As an alternative, get off at Green Park and walk down past the Palace.
> And all the places I've suggested are some distance from the City of
> London :-)
>
> You'll need an Oyster Card (a smart-card that lets you use the transport
> system), and there'll be details on the tfl website. I'm sure me and/or
> other Londoners will chime in if you want to know any more.
>

You can buy the Oyster Card at most ticket machines. There's a £5
deposit that's refundable, and you load it with cash.

But you DON'T want an Oyster for your purposes. Get a Zone 1-2 Day
Travelcard plus the return from Heathrow. Unless you're staying for a
few days refunding the card is probably going to be a hassle.

If you do go to Trafalgar Square*, there's the National Gallery and
Portrait Gallery too, and both aree free to visit IIRC (you're
encouraged to leave a donation).

If you like museums there's some good ones out towards South
Kensington (Science, Natural History, Victoria and Albert, etc.).

 Chris

* (tube stations either Trafalgar Sq itself, Charing Cross, or
Embankment will do... depending where you're coming from).

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Re: London-Heathrow

[Wols Lists]

On 04/05/16 14:58, Phil Holmes wrote:
> Depending on how much your budget is, you can easily get to London and
> back in that time:
> 
> https://www.heathrowexpress.com/
> 
Or the Picadilly line on the tube. Where do you want to go? If you know
where you want to go, go to tfl.gov.uk and it'll give you route and
times (it can be temperamental).

Bear in mind London is huge. There's two different Londons - the City of
London which is one square mile (a mile is 1.6km), and there's Greater
London, a huge urban sprawl some 20 miles in diameter.

If you just want to do some sightseeing, I'd suggest getting the
Picadilly to Leicester Square (50 mins). That's in the middle of Soho,
or China Town. Head south to the river, and it takes you to Trafalgar
Square, Charing Cross Road, St Martin in the Fields, that sort of area.
>From Trafalgar Square you can head down to Westminster and the Houses of
Parliament. (Then you can catch the Jubilee to Green Park and Picadilly
back to Heathrow.)

As an alternative, get off at Green Park and walk down past the Palace.
And all the places I've suggested are some distance from the City of
London :-)

You'll need an Oyster Card (a smart-card that lets you use the transport
system), and there'll be details on the tfl website. I'm sure me and/or
other Londoners will chime in if you want to know any more.

Cheers,
Wol

> -- 
> Phil Holmes
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Urs Liska" 
> To: "lilypond-user" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:42 PM
> Subject: London-Heathrow
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'll be having a stop at London Heathrow on Sunday 15, which is
>> scheduled to take 5 1/2 hours (12.40-6.15 PM).
>>
>> To those who know the location: is it an option to have a short-trip to
>> London City? I'm afraid not but I didn't want to miss asking.
>>
>> On the other hand: If anybody's interested to come and meet me at the
>> airport I'd be happy about some company and new acquaintances. I feel
>> that "offer"'s a bit fishy but I didn't want to miss asking.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Urs
>>
>> -- 
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>> www.openlilylib.org
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Re: London-Heathrow

[Phil Holmes]

Depending on how much your budget is, you can easily get to London and back 
in that time:


https://www.heathrowexpress.com/

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- Original Message - 
From: "Urs Liska" 

To: "lilypond-user" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 2:42 PM
Subject: London-Heathrow



Hi all,

I'll be having a stop at London Heathrow on Sunday 15, which is
scheduled to take 5 1/2 hours (12.40-6.15 PM).

To those who know the location: is it an option to have a short-trip to
London City? I'm afraid not but I didn't want to miss asking.

On the other hand: If anybody's interested to come and meet me at the
airport I'd be happy about some company and new acquaintances. I feel
that "offer"'s a bit fishy but I didn't want to miss asking.

Best wishes
Urs

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Re: London-Heathrow

[Urs Liska]

Am 04.05.2016 um 15:42 schrieb Urs Liska:
> I'll be having a stop at London Heathrow on Sunday 15, which is
> scheduled to take 5 1/2 hours (12.40-6.15 PM).

Ah, and I'll have more or less the same stop on Sunday 22, 9.35AM to
2.50PM, but I think I won't be able to be social then due to hard work,
a hard night and six hours of time shift ;-)

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London-Heathrow

[Urs Liska]

Hi all,

I'll be having a stop at London Heathrow on Sunday 15, which is
scheduled to take 5 1/2 hours (12.40-6.15 PM).

To those who know the location: is it an option to have a short-trip to
London City? I'm afraid not but I didn't want to miss asking.

On the other hand: If anybody's interested to come and meet me at the
airport I'd be happy about some company and new acquaintances. I feel
that "offer"'s a bit fishy but I didn't want to miss asking.

Best wishes
Urs

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