Re: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread Noeck
This seems a bit related:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-auto/2014-04/msg00064.html

And this:
http://notat.io/viewtopic.php?t=170

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Re: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread Brian Barker

At 19:23 16/11/2016 +0100, Joram Noeck wrote:
Still, I would not over-interpret Behind Bars. If Gould states it 
explicitly: ok, but the examples are also done with some program, I 
guess. In case there is a detail she does not care enough, there can 
be cases where she accepts the program's default output without 
saying that other solutions are necessarily bad or wrong.


I replied earlier - but, as so often, my message was not posted by 
the list. I think David Sumbler is misreading Gould. As I see it, the 
illustration he mentions on page 10 is intended just to show that the 
semibreve is slightly wider horizontally than a black notehead - the 
point Gould has just made in the text. Her actual examples (there is 
one at the bottom of page 36) seems to show the left-alignment that 
he criticises.


Brian Barker


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Re: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread tisimst
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Noeck [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n196717...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> My aesthetic feeling would like to centre-align them.
>

MuseScore 2.0.3 does this. I personally don't find the left-alignment
bothersome and find that it gives more natural continuity to the
left-to-right notion of time management. I can definitely see the
center-alignment aesthetic, though.


> Still, I would not over-interpret Behind Bars. If Gould states it
> explicitly: ok, but the examples are also done with some program, I
> guess. In case there is a detail she does not care enough, there can be
> cases where she accepts the program's default output without saying that
> other solutions are necessarily bad or wrong.
>

That "some program" is Sibelius, so there's much to be taken with a grain
of salt.

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Abraham




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Re: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread Noeck
Hi,

I think we had some discussion about this on this list in the last 5 (?)
years.

My aesthetic feeling would like to centre-align them.

Still, I would not over-interpret Behind Bars. If Gould states it
explicitly: ok, but the examples are also done with some program, I
guess. In case there is a detail she does not care enough, there can be
cases where she accepts the program's default output without saying that
other solutions are necessarily bad or wrong.

If I can find the old discussion, I will come back, but I am lacking the
right keywords at the moment.

Best,
Joram

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Re: Odp: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread David Sumbler
On Wed, 2016-11-16 at 14:03 +0100, Karol Majewski wrote:
> In traditional engraving note heads are aligned to their left. Take a
> look at this excerpt from Monnlight Sonata by Henle Verlag.

I've looked at my own copy of the same piece - different edition - and
the notes are aligned just as you say.

In the particular case I noticed, though, with a single crotchet above
a semibreve, I still think it looks wrong!

Rather than tweaking the note positions (which may then make it look
odd in the full score), I'll perhaps avoid the issue by altering it to 
a crotchet chord tied to a single note dotted minim.

Thanks for your reply.

David

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RE: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread Andrew Bernard
HI David,

But if you want to override it:

<<
  {
\once \override Voice.NoteColumn.force-hshift = #0.1 % value by trial and 
error
d'4 b'2.\rest
  }
  \\
  { b1 }
>>

Andrew



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RE: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi David,

I would have thought this is correct.

Andrew



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Odp: Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread Karol Majewski
In traditional engraving note heads are aligned to their left. Take a look at 
this excerpt from Monnlight Sonata by Henle Verlag.
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Incorrect note alignment

2016-11-16 Thread David Sumbler
\version "2.19.48"

\language "english"

<< { d'4 b'2.\rest }
   \\
   { b1 }
 >>
   
The above bar occurs in a piece I have set in Lilypond and that I am
currently correcting.

The crotchet d in the upper voice and the semibreve b in the lower
appear to be vertically aligned at their left edges, and not at their
centres.

To me, this looks ugly and wrong, and although she does not state it in
words, Elaine Gould would apparently think the same judging from the
illustration in her description of the semibreve (page 10 of "Behind
Bars").

I have never noticed this mis-alignment before, probably because I have
not had a passage which makes it so obvious.  Or perhaps it is
something that has crept into Lilypond at some recent stage.

Is this alignment intentional?

David


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