Re: Pitch inflection

[Hans Åberg]

> On 31 Jan 2018, at 21:25, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your message & the links. I have attached a fragment of the 
> source to clarify what I am trying to replicate.

According to this link, some use E36 for such arrows, which LilyPond supports, 
though not the glyphs themselves, that would require SMuFL, or something.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekmelische_Musik



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Re: Pitch inflection

[Hans Åberg]

> On 1 Feb 2018, at 04:35, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> 
> No, the arrow modifications are the only departures from standard notation.

You might try this example, using the naturals with arrows instead, making a 
change later if you so want: it will be only a matter of changing glyphs.

  http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=786


> On 31 January 2018 at 16:47, Hans Åberg  wrote:
> 
> 
> > On 31 Jan 2018, at 21:25, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for your message & the links. I have attached a fragment of the 
> > source to clarify what I am trying to replicate.
> 
> Are there any other microtonal accidentals, except for plain up and down 
> arrows? Check these microtonal systems, which have that:
>   
> http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/gouldArrowQuartertoneAccidentals24Edo/
>   http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/simsAccidentals72Edo/
>   http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/johnstonAccidentalsJustIntonation/
>   
> http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/spartanSagittalSingleShaftAccidentals/
> 


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Re: Pitch inflection

[Michael Taylor]

No, the arrow modifications are the only departures from standard notation.

MT

On 31 January 2018 at 16:47, Hans Åberg  wrote:

>
>
> > On 31 Jan 2018, at 21:25, Michael Taylor 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for your message & the links. I have attached a fragment of
> the source to clarify what I am trying to replicate.
>
> Are there any other microtonal accidentals, except for plain up and down
> arrows? Check these microtonal systems, which have that:
>   http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/gouldArrowQuartert
> oneAccidentals24Edo/
>   http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/simsAccidentals72Edo/
>   http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/johnstonAccidental
> sJustIntonation/
>   http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/spartanSagittalSin
> gleShaftAccidentals/
>
>
>
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Re: Pitch inflection

[Hans Åberg]

> On 31 Jan 2018, at 21:25, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your message & the links. I have attached a fragment of the 
> source to clarify what I am trying to replicate.

Are there any other microtonal accidentals, except for plain up and down 
arrows? Check these microtonal systems, which have that:
  
http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/gouldArrowQuartertoneAccidentals24Edo/
  http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/simsAccidentals72Edo/
  http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/johnstonAccidentalsJustIntonation/
  
http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/spartanSagittalSingleShaftAccidentals/



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Re: Pitch inflection

[Graham Breed]

Thank you for your message. I am hoping to reproduce the arrow notation used by 
the composer,
rather than substituting a different notational convention (which this composer 
has employed in other pieces).
The fact that he implies a difference between a slightly lowered F & a slightly 
raised E makes me think that he
is seeking to inflect the note rather than achieving an identifiable 
quartertone. Thank you also for alerting me to the
resources you mentioned which I had not found.


You could use the Helmholtz-Ellis notation because the arrows are a 
subset of it and you haven't specified what the inflection should be so 
a comma should be good enough.  But it should be simpler than that.  The 
arrowed glyphs are in Lilypond's standard font.  All you need is to 
define a new language with whatever pitch inflections you want, and a 
list of accidentals using the right glyphs.  This should have been done 
before, or there's not much point in having the arrowed glyphs, but I 
don't know where.


There's some help at http://x31eq.com/lilypond/


 Graham

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Re: Pitch inflection

[Hans Åberg]

[Please cc the list so that others can follow.]

> On 31 Jan 2018, at 16:00, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your message. I am hoping to reproduce the arrow notation used 
> by the composer,
> rather than substituting a different notational convention (which this 
> composer has employed in other pieces).
> The fact that he implies a difference between a slightly lowered F & a 
> slightly raised E makes me think that he
> is seeking to inflect the note rather than achieving an identifiable 
> quartertone. Thank you also for alerting me to the
> resources you mentioned which I had not found.

You might supply an example if you want others to see what it is. Some links:

Helmholtz-Ellis notation:
  http://www.marcsabat.com/pdfs/legend.pdf
  http://www.marcsabat.com/pdfs/notation.pdf

SMuFL glyphs:
  http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/


> MT
> 
> On 30 January 2018 at 09:16, Hans Åberg  wrote:
> 
> > On 29 Jan 2018, at 22:39, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> >
> > I am transcribing sketches in which small pitch adjustments are notated 
> > using up & down arrows. As my aim is to reproduce the composer's notation 
> > as closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is 
> > there a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is 
> > not an issue.
> 
> One can use Helmholtz-Ellis notation in E53 using OpenLilyLib, SMuFL, and 
> Graham Breed's regular.ly.



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Re: Pitch inflection

[Michael Taylor]

Thank you for your message. I am hoping to reproduce the arrow notation used by 
the composer,
rather than substituting a different notational convention (which this composer 
has employed in other pieces).
The fact that he implies a difference between a slightly lowered F & a slightly 
raised E makes me think that he
is seeking to inflect the note rather than achieving an identifiable 
quartertone. Thank you also for alerting me to the
resources you mentioned which I had not found.

MT

On 30 January 2018 at 09:16, Hans Åberg mailto:haber...@telia.com>> wrote:

> On 29 Jan 2018, at 22:39, Michael Taylor  > wrote:
>
> I am transcribing sketches in which small pitch adjustments are notated using 
> up & down arrows. As my aim is to reproduce the composer's notation as 
> closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is there 
> a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is not an 
> issue.

One can use Helmholtz-Ellis notation in E53 using OpenLilyLib, SMuFL, and 
Graham Breed's regular.ly .


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Re: Pitch inflection

[Hans Åberg]

> On 29 Jan 2018, at 22:39, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I am transcribing sketches in which small pitch adjustments are notated using 
> up & down arrows. As my aim is to reproduce the composer's notation as 
> closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is there 
> a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is not an 
> issue.

One can use Helmholtz-Ellis notation in E53 using OpenLilyLib, SMuFL, and 
Graham Breed's regular.ly.


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Re: Pitch inflection

[Hans Åberg]

> On 29 Jan 2018, at 22:39, Michael Taylor  wrote:
> 
> I am transcribing sketches in which small pitch adjustments are notated using 
> up & down arrows. As my aim is to reproduce the composer's notation as 
> closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is there 
> a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is not an 
> issue.

One can use Helmholtz-Ellis notation in E53 using OpenLilyLib, SMuFL, and 
Graham Breed's regular.ly.


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Re: Pitch inflection

[David Kastrup]

msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca writes:

> On Tue, 30 Jan 2018, David Kastrup wrote:
>> > as closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is
>> > there a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is
>> > not an issue.
>>
>> Quarter notes wouldn't work anyway since you'd not be able to
>> distinguish a quarter note up from e from a quarter note down from f.
>
> Really?  The input { eih'1 feh'1 } seems to work for me, producing
> distinct "e half-sharp" and "f half-flat" notation even though in 24-EDO
> these are the same pitch.

Argh, right.  Different note name.  Should have taken E raised by a
quartertone versus E♯ flattened by a quarter tone.

_Those_ would be indistinguishable.

> It seems like just replacing the "half-sharp" and "half-flat" symbols
> with up and down arrows would be enough to satisfy the original
> poster's request.

See above.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Re: Pitch inflection

[mskala]

On Tue, 30 Jan 2018, David Kastrup wrote:
> > as closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is
> > there a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is
> > not an issue.
>
> Quarter notes wouldn't work anyway since you'd not be able to
> distinguish a quarter note up from e from a quarter note down from f.

Really?  The input { eih'1 feh'1 } seems to work for me, producing
distinct "e half-sharp" and "f half-flat" notation even though in 24-EDO
these are the same pitch.  It seems like just replacing the "half-sharp"
and "half-flat" symbols with up and down arrows would be enough to satisfy
the original poster's request.

-- 
Matthew Skala
msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca People before principles.
http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/

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Re: Pitch inflection

[Torsten Hämmerle]

Hi Michael,

It probably would have been helpful if you had provided an example (so that
we can see how exactly the arrows are supposed to look like).

But in the end all boils down to the possibility of replacing a standard
accidental by an arbitrary markup. There's a snippet demonstrating how this
can be done:
Snippet: Customized accidentals   

You may simply use one of the Unicode arrows, LilyPond graphic markup,
PostScript code -- whatever you like.

HTH,
Torsten





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Re: Pitch inflection

[David Kastrup]

Michael Taylor  writes:

> I am transcribing sketches in which small pitch adjustments are notated
> using up & down arrows. As my aim is to reproduce the composer's notation
> as closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is
> there a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is
> not an issue.

Quarter notes wouldn't work anyway since you'd not be able to
distinguish a quarter note up from e from a quarter note down from f.

-- 
David Kastrup

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Pitch inflection

[Michael Taylor]

I am transcribing sketches in which small pitch adjustments are notated
using up & down arrows. As my aim is to reproduce the composer's notation
as closely as possible I don't want to substitute quarter-tone symbols. Is
there a simple way to insert arrows in place of accidentals? Playback is
not an issue.

MT
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