Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Urs Liska]

 like that philosophy, which is fine. I totally
> respect that. I just think that if you could get used to working with
> these concepts, you'll find that they are pretty handy. I certainly
> have grown to like it because if I need to prototype something or I
> just want to try something out, I can do it without messing up a
> single file on my hard drive, knowing that anything I've made any
> potentially damaging changes to my saved files.
>
> Anyway, take that for what it's worth. I'm just trying to be helpful.
>
> Best,
> Abraham
>  
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Michael Hendry [via Lilypond]
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>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 02:02, tisimst <[hidden email]
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>> BB,
>>
>> I've been using Frescobaldi (Windows & Linux) for a long time now
>> and I've never experienced what you describe (in terms of needing
>> to close the file and reopening to get the output files I
>> specify). What kind of computer/OS specs are you using?
>>
>> - Abraham
>
> I’m using Frescobaldi on an iMac.
>
> I’ve just installed El Capitan, and I’m working my way through the
> odd problems the new OS is throwing up, but I don’t think this
> will change this problem as the developers of Frescobaldi agreed
> that it exists (see the github
> link https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646 ).
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> You should be able to demonstrate the problem on whatever OS you
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> above.
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[tisimst]

d's include path for "edited" input
>files to compile since the temporary input file is placed in a totally
>different location on the hard drive and the relative references are not
>valid there.
>
> You basically have to remember one thing: If you like the way the input
> file is, save it and re-compile (usually in the "publish" mode) one last
> time before you close up shop. That's it!
>
> Those are my thoughts. Maybe you knew all that already, maybe not. Maybe
> you just don't like that philosophy, which is fine. I totally respect that.
> I just think that if you could get used to working with these concepts,
> you'll find that they are pretty handy. I certainly have grown to like it
> because if I need to prototype something or I just want to try something
> out, I can do it without messing up a single file on my hard drive, knowing
> that anything I've made any potentially damaging changes to my saved files.
>
> Anyway, take that for what it's worth. I'm just trying to be helpful.
>
> Best,
> Abraham
>
>
>
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>> On 22 Oct 2015, at 02:02, tisimst <[hidden email]
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>> BB,
>>
>> I've been using Frescobaldi (Windows & Linux) for a long time now and
>> I've never experienced what you describe (in terms of needing to close the
>> file and reopening to get the output files I specify). What kind of
>> computer/OS specs are you using?
>>
>> - Abraham
>>
>>
>> I’m using Frescobaldi on an iMac.
>>
>> I’ve just installed El Capitan, and I’m working my way through the odd
>> problems the new OS is throwing up, but I don’t think this will change this
>> problem as the developers of Frescobaldi agreed that it exists (see the
>> github link https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646 ).
>>
>> You should be able to demonstrate the problem on whatever OS you use by
>> following the steps I outlined in the linked conversation above.
>>
>> Michael
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[tisimst]

Michael, et al,

I think this thread has too many conflicting topics, and I'm definitely
note sure what's causing some of the other issues that have been brought up
(sorry!), but let's jump back to the OP's original issue as it relates to
the GitHub thread you mentioned. If what I am about to say is NOT new,
please feel free to ignore it, but hopefully this will help someone who is
starting to use or is thinking about using Frescobaldi to create their
LilyPond files.

Here are some things I've learned about the Frescobaldi workflow (as they
pertain to this topic):

   1. All open input files exist in one of two states: "edited" and "saved"
   2. Creating a new file starts the file in an "edited" state.
   3. Opening an existing file starts the file in a "saved" state.
   4. Any file that has been changed in any way is put in an "edited"
   state. Even if you make a single change and "undo" it to the original text,
   it is still considered "edited".
   5. There are several compiling modes, but the most common are "preview"
   (which enables point-and-click references in the PDF) and "publish" (which
   disables point-and-click in the PDF). On Windows and Linux, "preview" mode
   has the keyboard shortcut "Ctrl + M" and "publish mode has the keyboard
   shortcut "Ctrl + Shift + P". Not sure for Mac. These are VERY USEFUL.
   6. Compiling the input file in the "edited" state creates a copy of the
   input file (but no "included" files) and puts it in a temporary folder. Any
   files that are output from this are thus compiled to that temporary
   directory and NOT in the original input file's directory. This temporary
   folder and its contents will exist until Frescobaldi closes, then the
   directory and its contents are erased.
   7. Saving an input file does NOT save the PDF and/or MIDI files that
   were previously compiled when the input file was in the "edited" state. To
   update those, the input file (now in a "saved" state) must be recompiled.
   The PDF and/or MIDI files will then be updated and saved in the original
   input file's directory.
   8. Compiling the input file in the "saved" state puts all output files
   in the same directory as the input file, as expected.
   9. You can force Frescobaldi to save the input file to its original
   directory (and thus the PDF and/or MIDI files) every time you compile by
   going to "Edit" > "Preferences" > "LilyPond Preferences" > "Running
   LilyPond" and checking the box by "Save document if possible". *NOTE:
   This does not apply to any "included" files that are also open, whether in
   the "saved" or "edited" state. It only applies to the input file being
   compiled.*
   10. If any files are "included" in the input file (e.g., \include
   "layout/choralSATB.ly"), LilyPond will always look for the "saved"
   versions of these files. Thus, if any "included" files are being referenced
   in "relative" mode (and thus not normally in LilyPond's include path), then
   their directory must be added to LilyPond's include path for "edited" input
   files to compile since the temporary input file is placed in a totally
   different location on the hard drive and the relative references are not
   valid there.

You basically have to remember one thing: If you like the way the input
file is, save it and re-compile (usually in the "publish" mode) one last
time before you close up shop. That's it!

Those are my thoughts. Maybe you knew all that already, maybe not. Maybe
you just don't like that philosophy, which is fine. I totally respect that.
I just think that if you could get used to working with these concepts,
you'll find that they are pretty handy. I certainly have grown to like it
because if I need to prototype something or I just want to try something
out, I can do it without messing up a single file on my hard drive, knowing
that anything I've made any potentially damaging changes to my saved files.

Anyway, take that for what it's worth. I'm just trying to be helpful.

Best,
Abraham




On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Michael Hendry [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n182547...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

>
> On 22 Oct 2015, at 02:02, tisimst <[hidden email]
> > wrote:
>
> BB,
>
> I've been using Frescobaldi (Windows & Linux) for a long time now and I've
> never experienced what you describe (in terms of needing to close the file
> and reopening to get the output files I specify). What kind of computer/OS
> specs are you using?
>
> - Abraham
>
>
> I’m using Frescobaldi on an iMac.
>
> I’ve just installed El Capitan, and I’m working my way through the odd
> problems the new OS is throwing up, but I don’t think this will change this
> problem as the developers of Frescobaldi agreed that it exists (see the
> github link https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646 ).
>
> You should be able to demonstrate the problem on whatever OS you use by
> following the steps I outlined in the linked conversation above.

Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[David Wright]

> Am 22.10.2015 um 23:07 schrieb tisimst:
> I think this thread has too many conflicting topics, and I'm 
> definitely
> note sure what's causing some of the other issues that have been
> brought up (sorry!), but let's jump back to the OP's original issue as
> it relates to the GitHub thread you mentioned. If what I am about to
> say is NOT new, please feel free to ignore it, but hopefully this will
> help someone who is starting to use or is thinking about using
> Frescobaldi to create their LilyPond files.
> 
> Here are some things I've learned about the Frescobaldi workflow (as
> they pertain to this topic):
>  1. All open input files exist in one of two states: "edited" and
> "saved"
>  2. Creating a new file starts the file in an "edited" state.
>  3. Opening an existing file starts the file in a "saved" state.
>  4. Any file that has been changed in any way is put in an "edited"
> state. Even if you make a single change and "undo" it to the
> original text, it is still considered "edited".
>  5. There are several compiling modes, but the most common are
> "preview" (which enables point-and-click references in the PDF) 
> and
> "publish" (which disables point-and-click in the PDF). On Windows
> and Linux, "preview" mode has the keyboard shortcut "Ctrl + M" and
> "publish mode has the keyboard shortcut "Ctrl + Shift + P". Not
> sure for Mac. These are VERY USEFUL.
>  6. Compiling the input file in the "edited" state creates a copy of
> the input file (but no "included" files) and puts it in a 
> temporary
> folder. Any files that are output from this are thus compiled to
> that temporary directory and NOT in the original input file's
> directory. This temporary folder and its contents will exist until
> Frescobaldi closes, then the directory and its contents are 
> erased.
>  7. Saving an input file does NOT save the PDF and/or MIDI files that
> were previously compiled when the input file was in the "edited"
> state. To update those, the input file (now in a "saved" state)
> must be recompiled. The PDF and/or MIDI files will then be updated
> and saved in the original input file's directory.
>  8. Compiling the input file in the "saved" state puts all output 
> files
> in the same directory as the input file, as expected.
>  9. You can force Frescobaldi to save the input file to its original
> directory (and thus the PDF and/or MIDI files) every time you
> compile by going to "Edit" > "Preferences" > "LilyPond 
> Preferences"
> > "Running LilyPond" and checking the box by "Save document if
> possible". NOTE: This does not apply to any "included" files that
> are also open, whether in the "saved" or "edited" state. It only
> applies to the input file being compiled.
> 10. If any files are "included" in the input file (e.g., \include
> "layout/choralSATB.ly"), LilyPond will always look for the "saved"
> versions of these files. Thus, if any "included" files are being
> referenced in "relative" mode (and thus not normally in LilyPond's
> include path), then their directory must be added to LilyPond's
> include path for "edited" input files to compile since the
> temporary input file is placed in a totally different location on
> the hard drive and the relative references are not valid there.
> You basically have to remember one thing: If you like the way the 
> input
> file is, save it and re-compile (usually in the "publish" mode) one
> last time before you close up shop. That's it!
> 
> Those are my thoughts. Maybe you knew all that already, maybe not.
> Maybe you just don't like that philosophy, which is fine. I totally
> respect that. I just think that if you could get used to working with
> these concepts, you'll find that they are pretty handy. I certainly
> have grown to like it because if I need to prototype something or I
> just want to try something out, I can do it without messing up a 
> single
> file on my hard drive, knowing that anything I've made any potentially
> damaging changes to my saved files.
> 
> Anyway, take that for what it's worth. I'm just trying to be helpful.

Most helpful; thanks for spelling that out.

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Urs Liska [via Lilypond] <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
> Maybe there are two things to add to your thoughts, Abraham:
> 
> Between 2. and 3. I would add (it's implied but I'd make it explicit):
> 2a. This new file in 

Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Michael Hendry]

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 02:02, tisimst  wrote:
> 
> BB,
> 
> I've been using Frescobaldi (Windows & Linux) for a long time now and I've 
> never experienced what you describe (in terms of needing to close the file 
> and reopening to get the output files I specify). What kind of computer/OS 
> specs are you using?
> 
> - Abraham

I’m using Frescobaldi on an iMac.

I’ve just installed El Capitan, and I’m working my way through the odd problems 
the new OS is throwing up, but I don’t think this will change this problem as 
the developers of Frescobaldi agreed that it exists (see the github link 
https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646 
 ).

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Blöchl Bernhard]

I use different brands of linux on different hardware, never windows.

Am 22.10.2015 03:02, schrieb tisimst:

BB,

I've been using Frescobaldi (Windows & Linux) for a long time now and
I've never experienced what you describe (in terms of needing to close
the file and reopening to get the output files I specify). What kind
of computer/OS specs are you using?

- Abraham

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I can confirm your description. I may add that I can correct a
LP-code in frescobaldi a small number of times (2, 3, 4 ...?) before
frescobaldi does not update PDF and midi! Then you have to save and
reopen the file to play this game again.

Regards

On 21.10.2015 16:57, Michael Hendry wrote:


Coming late to the party, but I think this may be linked to a bug
which I notified to the Frescobaldi team earlier this year:

https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646 [3]

It happened when I reopened a Lilypond file after finding an error
in the PDF file I’d printed off.

I corrected the error, printed off a new PDF from the PDF viewer,
and Saved and Closed the source (.ly) file.

I later discovered that the PDF file with the error in it had not
been overwritten, and was still faulty.

It doesn’t look as if the github conversation on this reached a
conclusion, so the bug’s probably still there.

Michael

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Michael Hendry]

Coming late to the party, but I think this may be linked to a bug which I 
notified to the Frescobaldi team earlier this year:

https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646 


It happened when I reopened a Lilypond file after finding an error in the PDF 
file I’d printed off.

I corrected the error, printed off a new PDF from the PDF viewer, and Saved and 
Closed the source (.ly) file.

I later discovered that the PDF file with the error in it had not been 
overwritten, and was still faulty.

It doesn’t look as if the github conversation on this reached a conclusion, so 
the bug’s probably still there.

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[BB]

I can confirm your description. I may add that I can correct a LP-code 
in frescobaldi a small number of times (2, 3, 4 ...?) before frescobaldi 
does not update PDF and midi! Then you have to save and reopen the file 
to play this game again.


Regards

On 21.10.2015 16:57, Michael Hendry wrote:
Coming late to the party, but I think this may be linked to a bug 
which I notified to the Frescobaldi team earlier this year:


https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646

It happened when I reopened a Lilypond file after finding an error in 
the PDF file I’d printed off.


I corrected the error, printed off a new PDF from the PDF viewer, and 
Saved and Closed the source (.ly) file.


I later discovered that the PDF file with the error in it had not been 
overwritten, and was still faulty.


It doesn’t look as if the github conversation on this reached a 
conclusion, so the bug’s probably still there.


Michael





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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Karen S. Billings]

BB, Abraham, et al,

I use Frescobaldi and have found a slightly different problem...

While editing, my file exists and I get what I'm looking for when I run it 
through Lilypond (via Frescobaldi).  But when I go to "publish" my file (since 
I need the PDF), Fresco generates a "File Not Found" error for the original 
Lilypond file.

Even when I make a point of confirming that my file has been saved as I think 
it has, Frescobaldi is still unable to read it - even though Fresco just saved 
it.  Even though I can see & select the source file in the Fresco "open" menu, 
Fresco throws an error (File does not Exist) when I attempt to open the file.

This happens even when I close and restart Fresco.  I have to go into my Fresco 
preferences, remove my "home" directory, close Fresco, restart Fresco, set 
"new" preferences with the same home directory, and only then can I actually 
create the pdf file from the source file I had been working with all along

I know this may not be the best description, but this has been going on for 
weeks, now, and it's more than a tad irritating...

KSB

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 7:02 PM, tisimst <tisimst.lilyp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> BB,
> 
> I've been using Frescobaldi (Windows & Linux) for a long time now and I've 
> never experienced what you describe (in terms of needing to close the file 
> and reopening to get the output files I specify). What kind of computer/OS 
> specs are you using?
> 
> - Abraham
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, BB-3 [via Lilypond] <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I can confirm your description. I may add that I can correct a LP-code in 
>> frescobaldi a small number of times (2, 3, 4 ...?) before frescobaldi does 
>> not update PDF and midi! Then you have to save and reopen the file to play 
>> this game again. 
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>>> On 21.10.2015 16:57, Michael Hendry wrote:
>>> Coming late to the party, but I think this may be linked to a bug which I 
>>> notified to the Frescobaldi team earlier this year:
>>> 
>>> https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646
>>> 
>>> It happened when I reopened a Lilypond file after finding an error in the 
>>> PDF file I’d printed off.
>>> 
>>> I corrected the error, printed off a new PDF from the PDF viewer, and Saved 
>>> and Closed the source (.ly) file.
>>> 
>>> I later discovered that the PDF file with the error in it had not been 
>>> overwritten, and was still faulty.
>>> 
>>> It doesn’t look as if the github conversation on this reached a conclusion, 
>>> so the bug’s probably still there.
>>> 
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[tisimst]

BB,

I've been using Frescobaldi (Windows & Linux) for a long time now and I've
never experienced what you describe (in terms of needing to close the file
and reopening to get the output files I specify). What kind of computer/OS
specs are you using?

- Abraham

On Wednesday, October 21, 2015, BB-3 [via Lilypond] <
ml-node+s1069038n182540...@n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> I can confirm your description. I may add that I can correct a LP-code in
> frescobaldi a small number of times (2, 3, 4 ...?) before frescobaldi does
> not update PDF and midi! Then you have to save and reopen the file to play
> this game again.
>
> Regards
>
> On 21.10.2015 16:57, Michael Hendry wrote:
>
> Coming late to the party, but I think this may be linked to a bug which I
> notified to the Frescobaldi team earlier this year:
>
> https://github.com/wbsoft/frescobaldi/issues/646
>
> It happened when I reopened a Lilypond file after finding an error in the
> PDF file I’d printed off.
>
> I corrected the error, printed off a new PDF from the PDF viewer, and
> Saved and Closed the source (.ly) file.
>
> I later discovered that the PDF file with the error in it had not been
> overwritten, and was still faulty.
>
> It doesn’t look as if the github conversation on this reached a
> conclusion, so the bug’s probably still there.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 13:39, David Kastrup  ha 
scritto:

Federico Bruni  writes:


 Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 13:12, Simon Albrecht
  ha scritto:

 On 10.10.2015 13:10, Federico Bruni wrote:

 I wouldn't suggest to enable "Save document is possible" when
 saving to an SSD disk.


 Why that?
 ~ Simon


 I don't know if it's still true for modern SSD but I often find
 documentation or tutorials saying to be cautious about the number of
 writes to a SSD drive. Probably outdated nowadays but I've never
 investigated.


I think most would be buffered by the OS before reaching disk anyway.
The real SSD killer is putting swap there and/or suspend to disk.
That's gigabytes of actually happening writes.


I was a bit worried because I often suspend my laptop by closing the 
lid. But you are talking about hibernation.


"Suspend to disk" is what is often called hibernate.
Suspend, alone, is "suspend to RAM", which doesn't write to disk.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management/Suspend_and_hibernate




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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[mskala]

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, David Kastrup wrote:
> The real SSD killer is putting swap there and/or suspend to disk.
> That's gigabytes of actually happening writes.

Is that really true of suspend-to-disk?  Seems to me that writing the
contents of memory to disk on suspend would only happen between one and
ten times per day, and with hundreds of thousands of writes available
before an SSD wears out, it has decades of lifespan at that rate.
Something else in the system will almost certainly die first.  Almost an
ideal scenario for an SSD.  Putting swap on SSD is another story
entirely.

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[David Kastrup]

msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca writes:

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, David Kastrup wrote:
>> The real SSD killer is putting swap there and/or suspend to disk.
>> That's gigabytes of actually happening writes.
>
> Is that really true of suspend-to-disk?  Seems to me that writing the
> contents of memory to disk on suspend would only happen between one and
> ten times per day, and with hundreds of thousands of writes available
> before an SSD wears out, it has decades of lifespan at that rate.
> Something else in the system will almost certainly die first.  Almost an
> ideal scenario for an SSD.

The ideal scenario for an SSD is server duty for anything but active
and/or private file systems.  Almost exclusively reads, and random
access patterns.

> Putting swap on SSD is another story entirely.

Well, on GNU/Linux it's not quite another story since hibernation needs
an active swap partition.  One tries to make it as much a different
story as possible by fiddling with settings like "swappiness".

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Urs Liska]

Am 12.10.2015 um 07:58 schrieb Wilbert Berendsen:
> Op Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:48:39 +0200
> Urs Liska  schreef:
>
>> The only way out of that would be if LilyPond could learn to take its
>> input from stdin. Which might be a nice thing anyway?
> I think LilyPond can :-)
>
> http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage#invoking-lilypond
>

Oops, I *knew* I should have looked that up before commenting.
But that's not a solution (to the not-really-existing problem) either:

cmd-test$ cat input.ly | lilypond -
»-« wird verarbeitet
Analysieren...
Interpretation der Musik...
Vorverarbeitung der grafischen Elemente...
Ideale Seitenanzahl wird gefunden...
Musik wird auf eine Seite angepasst...
Systeme erstellen...
Layout nach »/tmp/lilypond-yXTVDZ« ausgeben...
Konvertierung nach »-.pdf«...
Deleting `/tmp/lilypond-yXTVDZ'...
Kompilation erfolgreich beendet

Obviously LilyPond will save stdin to a temporary file itself and not
process it in-memory. The resulting file is "-.pdf".

Urs

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[David Wright]

Quoting Urs Liska (u...@openlilylib.org):
> Am 12.10.2015 um 07:58 schrieb Wilbert Berendsen:
> > Op Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:48:39 +0200
> > Urs Liska  schreef:
> >
> >> The only way out of that would be if LilyPond could learn to take its
> >> input from stdin. Which might be a nice thing anyway?
> > I think LilyPond can :-)
> >
> > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage#invoking-lilypond
> 
> Oops, I *knew* I should have looked that up before commenting.

man lilypond   for 2.18.2 doesn't give any indication that you can
input through stdin. You have to delve into   info lilypond   which
I tend to forget to do. (linux version)

> But that's not a solution (to the not-really-existing problem) either:
> 
> cmd-test$ cat input.ly | lilypond -
> »-« wird verarbeitet
> Analysieren...
> Interpretation der Musik...
> Vorverarbeitung der grafischen Elemente...
> Ideale Seitenanzahl wird gefunden...
> Musik wird auf eine Seite angepasst...
> Systeme erstellen...
> Layout nach »/tmp/lilypond-yXTVDZ« ausgeben...
> Konvertierung nach »-.pdf«...
> Deleting `/tmp/lilypond-yXTVDZ'...
> Kompilation erfolgreich beendet
> 
> Obviously LilyPond will save stdin to a temporary file itself and not
> process it in-memory. [...]

Not here. The only difference I can see between reading from a file
and from stdin is that stdin reads only 4096 bytes at a time. This is
true even where stdin is connected to the file (ie   lilypond - < file.ly
rather than   cat file.ly | lilypond -   as above) so lilypond knows
the length of the file.

Cheers,
David.

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Wilbert Berendsen]

Op Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:48:39 +0200
Urs Liska  schreef:

> The only way out of that would be if LilyPond could learn to take its
> input from stdin. Which might be a nice thing anyway?

I think LilyPond can :-)

http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage#invoking-lilypond


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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Chris Yate]

Hi -- yes, I've seen this happen a few times recently (on Windows).
Although as far as I know, the file you're looking at in Frescobaldi is a
temporary PDF file. I may be corrected by someone.

Having said that I'm not sure whether Frescobaldi always has the "working"
folder you would expect... And one possibility of this occurring seems to
be if the target file was open in another PDF reader (some -- Adobe for
example -- locks the file. Very annoyingly. )

Chris


On 10 October 2015 at 10:57, Luca Danieli  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> in these last 2 days I have been re-editing some scores of mine in
> lilypond.
> One worked perfectly, while the second one worked fine as well but didn't
> export the pdf file of the score.
> I mean that I can stream the pdf in Frescobaldi, but I cannot find the
> file in the relative path.
>
> This is the building response:
>
> Layout output to `Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.ps'...
> Converting to `./Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.pdf'...
> Success: compilation successfully completed
> Completed successfully in 16.4".
>
> but if I go to the path -> ./
> nothing is there except for the *.ly file.
>
> I am using lilypond 2.18.2 on Ubuntu 15.04
>
> Cheers,
> Luca
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Urs Liska]

Am 10. Oktober 2015 12:55:41 MESZ, schrieb Federico Bruni :
>it's evident by the output he pasted that he saved the file
>so talking about the temporary directory would only confuse him

And when Adobe Reader (or something else) blocks the file there's evidence of 
that too in the output.

>
>Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 12:49, Chris Yate  
>ha scritto:
>> Hi -- yes, I've seen this happen a few times recently (on Windows). 
>> Although as far as I know, the file you're looking at in Frescobaldi 
>> is a temporary PDF file. I may be corrected by someone.
>> 
>> Having said that I'm not sure whether Frescobaldi always has the 
>> "working" folder you would expect... And one possibility of this 
>> occurring seems to be if the target file was open in another PDF 
>> reader (some -- Adobe for example -- locks the file. Very annoyingly.
>
>> )
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 October 2015 at 10:57, Luca Danieli  
>> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> in these last 2 days I have been re-editing some scores of mine in 
>>> lilypond.
>>> One worked perfectly, while the second one worked fine as well but 
>>> didn't export the pdf file of the score.
>>> I mean that I can stream the pdf in Frescobaldi, but I cannot find 
>>> the file in the relative path.
>>> 
>>> This is the building response:
>>> 
>>> Layout output to `Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.ps'...
>>> Converting to `./Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.pdf'...
>>> Success: compilation successfully completed
>>> Completed successfully in 16.4".
>>> 
>>> but if I go to the path -> ./
>>> nothing is there except for the *.ly file.
>>> 
>>> I am using lilypond 2.18.2 on Ubuntu 15.04
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luca
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 10.10.2015 13:10, Federico Bruni wrote:
I wouldn't suggest to enable "Save document is possible" when saving 
to an SSD disk. 


Why that?
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 13:10, Federico Bruni 
 ha scritto:

BTW, I recently realized that I wouldn't suggest to enable "Save
document is possible" when saving to an SSD disk.


Well, actually it's saved anyway in /tmp
Why I don't think before writing? :)

In another machine my home is in a normal hard disk and /tmp is in the 
SSD disk. So in that case the recommendation would be to enable that 
option.





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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 13:12, Simon Albrecht 
 ha scritto:

On 10.10.2015 13:10, Federico Bruni wrote:
I wouldn't suggest to enable "Save document is possible" when saving 
to an SSD disk.


Why that?
~ Simon


I don't know if it's still true for modern SSD but I often find 
documentation or tutorials saying to be cautious about the number of 
writes to a SSD drive. Probably outdated nowadays but I've never 
investigated.





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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Simon Albrecht]

Hello Luca,

On 10.10.2015 11:57, Luca Danieli wrote:

Hello all,

in these last 2 days I have been re-editing some scores of mine in 
lilypond.
One worked perfectly, while the second one worked fine as well but 
didn't export the pdf file of the score.
I mean that I can stream the pdf in Frescobaldi, but I cannot find the 
file in the relative path.


Did you save the file before processing? If you don’t, Frescobaldi will 
make a copy of the present state in a folder in tmp/ (you can see that 
at the beginning of the log) and the .pdf file will also be stored there.
This is configurable: just check ‘Save document if possible’ in the 
Preferences menu, ‘LilyPond Preferences’ tab, section ‘Running LilyPond’.


HTH, Simon

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Simon Albrecht]

P.S.
It’s better if you compose a new e-mail to the list than replying to an 
old one. There is some internal data field which assigns the new e-mail 
to the other thread, even if you edit the subject line. Thanks.


On 10.10.2015 11:57, Luca Danieli wrote:

Hello all,

in these last 2 days I have been re-editing some scores of mine in 
lilypond.
One worked perfectly, while the second one worked fine as well but 
didn't export the pdf file of the score.
I mean that I can stream the pdf in Frescobaldi, but I cannot find the 
file in the relative path.


This is the building response:

Layout output to `Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.ps'...
Converting to `./Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.pdf'...
Success: compilation successfully completed
Completed successfully in 16.4".

but if I go to the path -> ./
nothing is there except for the *.ly file.

I am using lilypond 2.18.2 on Ubuntu 15.04

Cheers,
Luca


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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 11:57, Luca Danieli 
 ha scritto:
in these last 2 days I have been re-editing some scores of mine in 
lilypond.
One worked perfectly, while the second one worked fine as well but 
didn't export the pdf file of the score.
I mean that I can stream the pdf in Frescobaldi, but I cannot find 
the file in the relative path.


This is the building response:

Layout output to `Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.ps'...
Converting to `./Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.pdf'...
Success: compilation successfully completed
Completed successfully in 16.4".

but if I go to the path -> ./
nothing is there except for the *.ly file.

I am using lilypond 2.18.2 on Ubuntu 15.04


This is very strange. Are you sure? How are you checking if a PDF is in 
that directory?
Did you check if there's a PDF in the menu LilyPond>File Prodotti (or 
whatever in english)?


The path ./ is the directory where you saved the file




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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Federico Bruni]

it's evident by the output he pasted that he saved the file
so talking about the temporary directory would only confuse him

Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 12:49, Chris Yate  
ha scritto:
Hi -- yes, I've seen this happen a few times recently (on Windows). 
Although as far as I know, the file you're looking at in Frescobaldi 
is a temporary PDF file. I may be corrected by someone.


Having said that I'm not sure whether Frescobaldi always has the 
"working" folder you would expect... And one possibility of this 
occurring seems to be if the target file was open in another PDF 
reader (some -- Adobe for example -- locks the file. Very annoyingly. 
)


Chris


On 10 October 2015 at 10:57, Luca Danieli  
wrote:

Hello all,

in these last 2 days I have been re-editing some scores of mine in 
lilypond.
One worked perfectly, while the second one worked fine as well but 
didn't export the pdf file of the score.
I mean that I can stream the pdf in Frescobaldi, but I cannot find 
the file in the relative path.


This is the building response:

Layout output to `Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.ps'...
Converting to `./Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.pdf'...
Success: compilation successfully completed
Completed successfully in 16.4".

but if I go to the path -> ./
nothing is there except for the *.ly file.

I am using lilypond 2.18.2 on Ubuntu 15.04

Cheers,
Luca

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RE: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Luca Danieli]

Dear all, 
thank you for your answers. I solved the problem but I don't really know how.
Originally, I downloaded the *.ly file from my drive online. The score is not 
produced if you just open the file, but you need to save the file again.It 
seems to me that as soon as I have saved the file "from inside", it came to 
work!
ThanksLuca

From: chrisy...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:49:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?
To: mr.luce...@hotmail.it
CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org

Hi -- yes, I've seen this happen a few times recently (on Windows). Although as 
far as I know, the file you're looking at in Frescobaldi is a temporary PDF 
file. I may be corrected by someone.
Having said that I'm not sure whether Frescobaldi always has the "working" 
folder you would expect... And one possibility of this occurring seems to be if 
the target file was open in another PDF reader (some -- Adobe for example -- 
locks the file. Very annoyingly. )

Chris

On 10 October 2015 at 10:57, Luca Danieli <mr.luce...@hotmail.it> wrote:



Hello all,
in these last 2 days I have been re-editing some scores of mine in lilypond.One 
worked perfectly, while the second one worked fine as well but didn't export 
the pdf file of the score.I mean that I can stream the pdf in Frescobaldi, but 
I cannot find the file in the relative path.
This is the building response:

Layout output to `Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.ps'...

Converting to `./Violin piece from Cist Tombs on Amorgos.pdf'...

Success: compilation successfully completed

Completed successfully in 16.4".

but if I go to the path -> ./nothing is there except for the *.ly file.
I am using lilypond 2.18.2 on Ubuntu 15.04
Cheers,Luca   

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Simon Albrecht]

On 10.10.2015 12:55, Federico Bruni wrote:

it's evident by the output he pasted that he saved the file


No, it’s not. If I take a ‘test.ly’ file, make some changes and process 
it without saving before, I get


Starting lilypond 2.18.2 [test.ly]...

Processing `/tmp/frescobaldi-jXLbVl/tmpcignDY/test.ly'

Parsing...

Finding the ideal number of pages...

Fitting music on 1 page...

Drawing systems...

Layout output to `test.ps'...

Converting to `./test.pdf'...

Success: compilation successfully completed

Completed successfully in 0.9".


Only the first line of the log shows that a temporary file was 
progressed, and he didn’t include that.


Yours, Simon
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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Federico Bruni]

Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 13:04, Simon Albrecht 
 ha scritto:

On 10.10.2015 12:55, Federico Bruni wrote:

it's evident by the output he pasted that he saved the file


No, it’s not. If I take a ‘test.ly’ file, make some changes and 
process it without saving before, I get


Starting lilypond 2.18.2 [test.ly]...
Processing `/tmp/frescobaldi-jXLbVl/tmpcignDY/test.ly'
Parsing...
Finding the ideal number of pages...
Fitting music on 1 page...
Drawing systems...
Layout output to `test.ps'...
Converting to `./test.pdf'...
Success: compilation successfully completed
Completed successfully in 0.9".
Only the first line of the log shows that a temporary file was 
progressed, and he didn’t include that.


You are right!
That was the issue...

BTW, I recently realized that I wouldn't suggest to enable "Save 
document is possible" when saving to an SSD disk.





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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[David Kastrup]

Federico Bruni  writes:

> Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 13:12, Simon Albrecht
>  ha scritto:
>> On 10.10.2015 13:10, Federico Bruni wrote:
>>> I wouldn't suggest to enable "Save document is possible" when
>>> saving to an SSD disk.
>>
>> Why that?
>> ~ Simon
>
> I don't know if it's still true for modern SSD but I often find
> documentation or tutorials saying to be cautious about the number of
> writes to a SSD drive. Probably outdated nowadays but I've never
> investigated.

I think most would be buffered by the OS before reaching disk anyway.
The real SSD killer is putting swap there and/or suspend to disk.
That's gigabytes of actually happening writes.

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Re: Frescobaldi creates the pdf but doesn't export it?

[Urs Liska]

Am 10.10.2015 um 13:27 schrieb Federico Bruni:
> Il giorno sab 10 ott 2015 alle 13:12, Simon Albrecht
>  ha scritto:
>> On 10.10.2015 13:10, Federico Bruni wrote:
>>> I wouldn't suggest to enable "Save document is possible" when saving
>>> to an SSD disk.
>>
>> Why that?
>> ~ Simon
> 
> I don't know if it's still true for modern SSD but I often find
> documentation or tutorials saying to be cautious about the number of
> writes to a SSD drive. Probably outdated nowadays but I've never
> investigated.
> 

I think that's an inherent problem, so it won't really be outdated
anytime. But I think when we're talking about a system with compilers,
possibly also with Frescobaldi's auto-compile on, it's somewhat
out-of-proportion to "optimize" here. But anyway, you have also realized
that Frescobaldi *does* save the file anyway, only to a temporary file
with generated name.

The only way out of that would be if LilyPond could learn to take its
input from stdin. Which might be a nice thing anyway?

Urs


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www.openlilylib.org

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