Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
Dear Janek, I'm 100% ok with your code. I don't understand Werner's remark : \sub is at the right height even for chords. I've also compared with Sibelius, Finale, and some books I have here; looks fairely good to me. Don't know what else to say... Cheers, Pierre 2013/10/20 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hi Pierre, 2013/10/16 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: 2013/10/16 Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com: There is something I found disturbing for years : I think \super and \sub are not properly settled. [] Here's a patch that fixes it: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3619 http://codereview.appspot.com/14438075 Please follow the discussion there - if there are any objections to my patch, i'll need your help. This is the moment when i need your help and involvement. Writing the patch took me 15 minutes, but there are doubts whether to accept it in the current state. It needs to be discussed, pros and cons need to be examined and maybe a compromise found. Doing all this - getting the patch through review process - would take me an hour or two (much more than writing the patch itself!), and is a distraction from my other (paid) work on LilyPond. I'm very busy and i don't have this time, so if you don't step in and help with the discussion i will abandon the patch, sorry! best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
I don't understand Werner's remark : \sub is at the right height even for chords. Not \sub, but \sup. I've also compared with Sibelius, Finale, and some books I have here; looks fairely good to me. Hmm. Look at the attached two images, extracted from https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3619#c2. Is it really OK that digit 7 is that low? For my taste, it should be moved up a bit. Werner inline: 7-before.pnginline: 7-after.png___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
2013/10/21 Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com: Dear Janek, I'm 100% ok with your code. I don't understand Werner's remark : \sub is at the right height even for chords. I've also compared with Sibelius, Finale, and some books I have here; looks fairely good to me. Don't know what else to say... There are two things you can do: - provide scanned examples of chords showing where super- and subscripts are placed. (note that Finale/Sibelius places them at this height by default will not be convincing for us, as we don't regard these programs's default output as something authoritative. However, examples from published good quality books *will* be convincing for virtually anyone on the list). - prepare a test file containing: - ordinary text with super- and subscripts (with various combinations of digits and upper and lower case letters used), - chord names with various modifications, including accidentals, - other text including musical symbols in super- and subscripts and compile this file with various amounts of super-/subscripts displacement. Send the results to us. With these materials, i'm sure that we can reach a good connsensus. best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
2013/10/21 Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org Not \sub, but \sup. Sorry Werner it's a typo ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
2013/10/21 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com There are two things you can do: - provide scanned examples of chords showing where super- and subscripts are placed. (note that Finale/Sibelius places them at this height by default will not be convincing for us, as we don't regard these programs's default output as something authoritative. However, examples from published good quality books *will* be convincing for virtually anyone on the list). - prepare a test file containing: - ordinary text with super- and subscripts (with various combinations of digits and upper and lower case letters used), - chord names with various modifications, including accidentals, - other text including musical symbols in super- and subscripts and compile this file with various amounts of super-/subscripts displacement. Send the results to us. With these materials, i'm sure that we can reach a good connsensus. best, Janek Sounds good to me ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
Hi Pierre, 2013/10/16 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com: 2013/10/16 Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com: There is something I found disturbing for years : I think \super and \sub are not properly settled. [] Here's a patch that fixes it: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3619 http://codereview.appspot.com/14438075 Please follow the discussion there - if there are any objections to my patch, i'll need your help. This is the moment when i need your help and involvement. Writing the patch took me 15 minutes, but there are doubts whether to accept it in the current state. It needs to be discussed, pros and cons need to be examined and maybe a compromise found. Doing all this - getting the patch through review process - would take me an hour or two (much more than writing the patch itself!), and is a distraction from my other (paid) work on LilyPond. I'm very busy and i don't have this time, so if you don't step in and help with the discussion i will abandon the patch, sorry! best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
Hi Pierre,
such requests should be directed to bug-lilyp...@gnu.org (have done it
this time).
Urs
Am 16.10.2013 16:28, schrieb Pierre Perol-Schneider:
Dear Developers, Dear List,
There is something I found disturbing for years : I think \super and
\sub are not properly settled.
Here's a little code to show what I'm talking about :
%
\version 2.17.28
#(set-global-staff-size 30)
\markup\column {
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \super does : }
\concat { E = mc\super 2 }
\vspace#.5
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \super should do : }
\concat { E = mc\raise#.7 \teeny 2 }
\vspace#1
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \sub does : }
\concat { H\sub 2 O }
\vspace#.5
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \super should do : }
\concat { H \raise#-.3 \teeny 2 O }
}
%
I've also joined a LateX output for info.
Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
Shouldn't the characters in a chemical set without italics? You just want
to show the expected position of the sub-indexed number.
Helge
2013/10/16 Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com
Dear Developers, Dear List,
There is something I found disturbing for years : I think \super and \sub
are not properly settled.
Here's a little code to show what I'm talking about :
%
\version 2.17.28
#(set-global-staff-size 30)
\markup\column {
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \super does : }
\concat { E = mc\super 2 }
\vspace#.5
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \super should do : }
\concat { E = mc\raise#.7 \teeny 2 }
\vspace#1
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \sub does : }
\concat { H\sub 2 O }
\vspace#.5
\line\typewriter { % Here's what \super should do : }
\concat { H \raise#-.3 \teeny 2 O }
}
%
I've also joined a LateX output for info.
Cheers,
Pierre
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Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
Hi, 2013/10/16 Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com: There is something I found disturbing for years : I think \super and \sub are not properly settled. [] Here's a patch that fixes it: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3619 http://codereview.appspot.com/14438075 Please follow the discussion there - if there are any objections to my patch, i'll need your help. Let me know if you need help testing the patch. best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: [WISH] about \super and \sub
Thank you all, sorry for the wrong list. 2013/10/16 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com Hi, 2013/10/16 Pierre Perol-Schneider pierre.schneider.pa...@gmail.com: There is something I found disturbing for years : I think \super and \sub are not properly settled. [] Here's a patch that fixes it: http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=3619 http://codereview.appspot.com/14438075 Please follow the discussion there - if there are any objections to my patch, i'll need your help. Let me know if you need help testing the patch. best, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
