Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[David Kastrup]

"Peter Gentry"  writes:

> Thanks Chris I guessed most of the format but the # Escaped me. To
> # or not to # that is the question.
>
>> \chords {
>>   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"acoustic guitar (steel)"
>>   \myChordsTransposed
>> }

I don't think that leaving off # here would have made a difference.

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RE: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Peter Gentry]

 

>-Original Message-
>From: David Kastrup [mailto:d...@gnu.org] 
>Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 10:50 AM
>To: Peter Gentry
>Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org; 'Christopher R. Maden'
>Subject: Re: More ponderings on Chordmode
>
>"Peter Gentry" <peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk> writes:
>
>> Thanks Chris I guessed most of the format but the # 
>Escaped me. To 
>> # or not to # that is the question.
>>
>>> \chords {
>>>   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"acoustic guitar (steel)"
>>>   \myChordsTransposed
>>> }
>
>I don't think that leaving off # here would have made a difference.
>
>--
>David Kastrup

Spot on it was redundant. 

The main finding is that the sound produced for chords is not too good. I have 
tried a number of instruments and none of the sounds
are satisfactory. Maybe the sustained nature of the chords has some effect or 
is the attack part of the sound still shaped as a
concert piano. It is certainly different to the sound of the melody notes.


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RE: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Peter Gentry]

>-Original Message-
>From: lilyp...@andis59.se [mailto:lilyp...@andis59.se]
>Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 11:24 AM
>To: Peter Gentry; lilypond-user@gnu.org
>Subject: Re: More ponderings on Chord
// Anders wrote

>I'm just using the in Windows built in synthesizer so it
>doesn't sound like a banjo or acoustic guitar. Chords will
>sound more like a keyboard/piano with a slightly different tone.
>
>So the sound depends on the synthesizer that is used to create
>them. The built in software synthesizer in windows is really
>bad! Don't know which OS you are using, but there are software
>synthesizer that give a much better sound, e.g. Coolsoft
>Virtual Synth http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth
>
The melody notes sound pretty much guitar like but the chord sounds are 
more piano like they do vary when the instrument is changed but never 
sound anything like the melody notes.
There is a slight improvement playing the mid file through Soundfont 
which does give a bit better sound than the default player..


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Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[lilyp...@andis59.se]

Just to be sure. You removed the \chordnames part and added the \chords.
When I did this I got a guitar (well, it didn't sound like a guitar, but 
it was not a piano) both for the melody and the chords.


I think it would be beneficial if you attached the .ly file so we can 
see what you have done...


// Anders

On 2016-02-06 11:15, Peter Gentry wrote:

I must be a tad slow. However I incorporate your suggestion still no guitar 
sounds when the chords play (only for the melody notes).

The snippet does compile without error but seems to have zero effect.

Thanks Chris I guessed most of the format but the # Escaped me. To # or not 
to # that is the question.


Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:33:22 -0600
From: "Christopher R. Maden" 
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
On 02/05/2016 02:31 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:

I cannot discover a means to have the chords sound as a

guitar in this

example everything I try ends up as a piano.

Is it possible to assign a midiInstrument to the chordNotes?

 \chords {
   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"acoustic guitar (steel)"
   \myChordsTransposed
 }

~Chris


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RE: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Peter Gentry]

Thanks Chris I guessed most of the format but the # Escaped me. To # or not 
to # that is the question.

>Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:33:22 -0600
>From: "Christopher R. Maden" 
>To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>On 02/05/2016 02:31 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:
>> I cannot discover a means to have the chords sound as a 
>guitar in this 
>> example everything I try ends up as a piano.
>>
>> Is it possible to assign a midiInstrument to the chordNotes?
>
> \chords {
>   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"acoustic guitar (steel)"
>   \myChordsTransposed
> }
>
>~Chris


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RE: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Peter Gentry]

I must be a tad slow. However I incorporate your suggestion still no guitar 
sounds when the chords play (only for the melody notes).

The snippet does compile without error but seems to have zero effect.

Thanks Chris I guessed most of the format but the # Escaped me. To # or not 
to # that is the question.

>Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 14:33:22 -0600
>From: "Christopher R. Maden" 
>To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>On 02/05/2016 02:31 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:
>> I cannot discover a means to have the chords sound as a 
>guitar in this 
>> example everything I try ends up as a piano.
>>
>> Is it possible to assign a midiInstrument to the chordNotes?
>
> \chords {
>   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"acoustic guitar (steel)"
>   \myChordsTransposed
> }
>
>~Chris


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Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Peter Gentry]

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:27:16 +0100
From: "lilyp...@andis59.se" <lilyp...@andis59.se>
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: More ponderings on Chordmode
Message-ID: <56b5ca84.8050...@andis59.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Just to be sure. You removed the \chordnames part and added the \chords.
When I did this I got a guitar (well, it didn't sound like a guitar, but 
it was not a piano) both for the melody and the chords.

I think it would be beneficial if you attached the .ly file so we can 
see what you have done...

// Anders

I have tried a couple of different instrument names. The chord sound does vary 
but still very much piano like.

Here is the file

\version "2.19.25"
\include "predefined-ukulele-fretboards.ly"
\storePredefinedDiagram #default-fret-table \chordmode {c:dim7}
#ukulele-tuning 
   "5-3;3-2;2-1;o;"

myChordsTransposed = \chordmode {
  e1:7 |
  s1 |
  a2 g |
  c2:dim7 a:7 |
  d1 |
  s1 |
  s2 s4 g |
}
\score {
<<
\chords {
  \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"banjo"
\myChordsTransposed
}
  \new FretBoards {
\set Staff.stringTunings = #ukulele-tuning
\myChordsTransposed
  }

  \relative c'' 
  \new Staff {
\set Staff.midiInstrument = "acoustic guitar (nylon)"

\transpose c b {
  \key ees\major
  r1 |
  r1 |
  r2 r2 |
  r2 r2 |
  g4^\markup{\musicglyph #"scripts.segno"} g8. f16 ees8. bes16 ees8. f16 |
  g4 g ees2 |
  g4 g bes aes8. aes16 |
  g4 f f2 |
   }
}
>>
\layout {}
\midi {}
}regards
Peter Gentry 



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RE: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Peter Gentry]

 Hello Colin

Yes the melody notes on the staff play as a "guitar" but the chords sound as 
the default piano.

>-Original Message-
>From: Colin Campbell [mailto:c...@shaw.ca] 
>Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 1:02 AM
>To: Peter Gentry; lilypond-user@gnu.org
>Subject: Re: More ponderings on Chordmode
>
>On 16-02-05 01:31 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:
>> I cannot discover a means to have the chords sound as a 
>guitar in this example everything I try ends up as a piano.
>>
>> Is it possible to assign a midiInstrument to the chordNotes?
>>
>
>
>>\relative c''
>>\new Staff {
>>  \set Staff.midiInstrument = "acoustic guitar (nylon)"
>> \transpose c b {
>>
>
>
>As a bit of a SWAG, does your soundfont actually have a 
>definition for "acoustic guitar (nylon) "? If not, it will 
>default to some sort of piano sound. Also, having been bitted 
>by this myself, is the soundfont loaded in your MIDI device 
>actually the one you think it is?
>
>Just my CAD .02, Peter!
>
>Cheers,
>Colin
>
>--
>The firmest fayth is found in fewest woordes.
>  -Edward Dyer, courtier and poet (c. 1540-1607)


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Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[lilyp...@andis59.se]

On 2016-02-06 12:05, Peter Gentry wrote:


I have tried a couple of different instrument names. The chord sound does vary 
but still very much piano like.

\score {
<<
\chords {
   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"banjo"
 \myChordsTransposed
}
   \new FretBoards {
 \set Staff.stringTunings = #ukulele-tuning
 \myChordsTransposed
   }

   \relative c''
   \new Staff {
 \set Staff.midiInstrument = "acoustic guitar (nylon)"


If you change acoustic guitar (nylon) to banjo and comment out the 
chords section you'll hear that the banjo (or any other fretted string 
instrument) will sound through your midi player.


I'm just using the in Windows built in synthesizer so it doesn't sound 
like a banjo or acoustic guitar. Chords will sound more like a 
keyboard/piano with a slightly different tone.


So the sound depends on the synthesizer that is used to create them. The 
built in software synthesizer in windows is really bad! Don't know which 
OS you are using, but there are software synthesizer that give a much 
better sound, e.g. Coolsoft Virtual Synth 
http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth


// Anders

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RE: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Peter Gentry]

 

>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Downes [mailto:st...@kingswayelec.co.uk] 
>Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 11:48 AM
>To: lilyp...@andis59.se
>Cc: Peter Gentry; lilypond-user@gnu.org
>Subject: Re: More ponderings on Chordmode
>
>It may or may not be relevant but I find if I do what have you 
>done I can get it change to sample to a guitar sound. However 
>it doesn't sound like a guitar to me unless I sort out the 
>chord voicing to a guitar inversion as well. This is quite a 
>bit of work so I usually silence the chord names so they are 
>just visual & then write the notes of the chord into the staff 
>if I am that bothered about the midi track.
>
>I can offer some examples & maybe help on this if you think it 
>applies to you. Otherwise I'll just shut up.
>
>Steve
>
Thanks Steve. The mid output is not that important to me (just for checking) so 
I think we can say case closed.


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Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Steve Downes]

It may or may not be relevant but I find if I do what have you done I
can get it change to sample to a guitar sound. However it doesn't
sound like a guitar to me unless I sort out the chord voicing to a
guitar inversion as well. This is quite a bit of work so I usually
silence the chord names so they are just visual & then write the notes
of the chord into the staff if I am that bothered about the midi
track.

I can offer some examples & maybe help on this if you think it applies
to you. Otherwise I'll just shut up.

Steve



On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 12:24:25PM +0100, lilyp...@andis59.se wrote:
> On 2016-02-06 12:05, Peter Gentry wrote:
> >
> >I have tried a couple of different instrument names. The chord sound does 
> >vary but still very much piano like.
> >
> >\score {
> ><<
> >\chords {
> >   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"banjo"
> > \myChordsTransposed
> >}
> >   \new FretBoards {
> > \set Staff.stringTunings = #ukulele-tuning
> > \myChordsTransposed
> >   }
> >
> >   \relative c''
> >   \new Staff {
> > \set Staff.midiInstrument = "acoustic guitar (nylon)"
> >
> >
> If you change acoustic guitar (nylon) to banjo and comment out the chords
> section you'll hear that the banjo (or any other fretted string instrument)
> will sound through your midi player.
> 
> I'm just using the in Windows built in synthesizer so it doesn't sound like
> a banjo or acoustic guitar. Chords will sound more like a keyboard/piano
> with a slightly different tone.
> 
> So the sound depends on the synthesizer that is used to create them. The
> built in software synthesizer in windows is really bad! Don't know which OS
> you are using, but there are software synthesizer that give a much better
> sound, e.g. Coolsoft Virtual Synth
> http://coolsoft.altervista.org/en/virtualmidisynth
> 
> // Anders
> 
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Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[David Kastrup]

"Peter Gentry" <peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk> writes:

>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Kastrup [mailto:d...@gnu.org] 
>>Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2016 10:50 AM
>>To: Peter Gentry
>>Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org; 'Christopher R. Maden'
>>Subject: Re: More ponderings on Chordmode
>>
>>"Peter Gentry" <peter.gen...@sunscales.co.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Thanks Chris I guessed most of the format but the # 
>>Escaped me. To 
>>> # or not to # that is the question.
>>>
>>>> \chords {
>>>>   \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"acoustic guitar (steel)"
>>>>   \myChordsTransposed
>>>> }
>>
>>I don't think that leaving off # here would have made a difference.
>>
>>--
>>David Kastrup
>
> Spot on it was redundant. 
>
> The main finding is that the sound produced for chords is not too
> good. I have tried a number of instruments and none of the sounds
> are satisfactory. Maybe the sustained nature of the chords has some
> effect or is the attack part of the sound still shaped as a
> concert piano. It is certainly different to the sound of the melody notes.

You are assigning more intelligence to the chords than is present.  More
likely than not something else is at work.  My guess is that you are
producing chord notes in both ChordNames context as well as somewhere
else.

Or that you expect guitar shapes from your chords but get piano shapes
instead (as is to be expected when using a ChordNames context instead of
gong through fret boards).

-- 
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Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Christopher R. Maden]

On 02/05/2016 02:31 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:

I cannot discover a means to have the chords sound as a guitar in
this example everything I try ends up as a piano.

Is it possible to assign a midiInstrument to the chordNotes?


\chords {
  \set ChordNames.midiInstrument = #"acoustic guitar (steel)"
  \myChordsTransposed
}

~Chris
--
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“If you’ve been a man o’ action, though you’re lying there in traction,
 You will gain some satisfaction thinkin’, ‘Jesus, at least I tried.’”
  — Andy M. Stewart (1952–2015), “Ramblin’ Rover”

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Re: More ponderings on Chordmode

[Colin Campbell]

On 16-02-05 01:31 PM, Peter Gentry wrote:

I cannot discover a means to have the chords sound as a guitar in this example 
everything I try ends up as a piano.

Is it possible to assign a midiInstrument to the chordNotes?



   \relative c''
   \new Staff {
 \set Staff.midiInstrument = "acoustic guitar (nylon)"
\transpose c b {




As a bit of a SWAG, does your soundfont actually have a definition for 
"acoustic guitar (nylon) "? If not, it will default to some sort of 
piano sound. Also, having been bitted by this myself, is the soundfont 
loaded in your MIDI device actually the one you think it is?


Just my CAD .02, Peter!

Cheers,
Colin

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