Re: new website, draft 7
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 08:04:32AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: On the page http://lilypond.org/~graham/Contact.html, definitely we should give the links for subscribing to the mailing lists: They were there already, but not particularly obviously. Improved. I'd also add the links to the user-options, just because its is always so hard to find them if you don't already have the link: Isn't it just the last item on the info page? I'm reluctant to add these, since our page is already cluttered enough. Then there are the mail-archive.com archives: And also the gmane archives (does anyone use these?): I have no idea why we have three different sets of archives, but I guess different users might prefer different layouts, etc. I'm reluctant to have three sets of archives linked here, but I suppose there's no real harm. And if one site goes down, they have two others to look at. ? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:37:06AM -0700, Matthieu Jacquot wrote: If you need one more publisher to fill the empty space in the production page, you could add my http://theshadylanepublishing.com website , it is very very small so I don't know if it will be fine. Thanks, added! I used the first sentence of your description of your publisher: a “micro musical publishing house” whose goal is to promote a new form of musical economy closer to the musicians and music lovers. I hope that's ok. I also included Mutopia, which fills out the list nicely. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
I've finally gotten around to looking at the new web site, and I have to say I'm very impressed. Great work! A couple of comments about the site: On Text-input.html, the pop music example is missing a hyphen and an extender line in the first measure (though perhaps this was intentional to simplify things?) On Productions.html, I think you mis-entered the name of the other publishing company listed - on that page it's The Shady Lady Publishing but it looks like it should be The Shady Lane Publishing (though I quite like the former!). Thanks for the link to my company's site, as well. I've also added a link to the LilyPond site to the next revision of our site (I've been meaning to do that for some time). Most of the LilyPond promoting I've been doing so far has been face-to-face - especially at conventions we've exhibited at, where there are a few inquiries every day as to what software we use. Related to LilyPond promotion - do any people have suggestions as to how to explain it to people unfamiliar with LilyPond or the open source philosophy in general? The concept is certainly much more mainstream than it used to be (using Linux or Firefox as examples seems to help) but it's still difficult to explain. Also, I'm never sure how to promote LilyPond to technical illiterates who are used to a point-and-click interface. I usually end up giving LilyPond a glowing review, but cautioning that it requires a very different mindset than Finale/Sibelius. Chris Snyder Adoro Music Publishing 1-616-828-4436 x800 http://www.adoromusicpub.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:18:16PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: 1. On the examples page, under the Jesu, Meine Freude, it says (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click to enlarge). Thanks, fixed. 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one of the f's is shifted down for some reason in the score for by Trevor Baca (bottom staff). It's a spacing issue; a bug. Jonathan: investigate, tweak the input, use a different version of lilypond, whatever. 3. On the features page, under the No Fiddling heading, it says, Don’t waste time with tweaking the output. I think should read Spend less time tweaking output. I say this because (as far as I know) there are still simple things like measure numbers floating above text spanners that require tweaks (albeit simple ones). Good point, done. 4. On the frontpage, there's a lilypad sitting on top of Lilypond's output :) Yeah, I'm not wild about that, but most people seem to like it. :| Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:18:05AM -0400, Chris Snyder wrote: On Text-input.html, the pop music example is missing a hyphen and an extender line in the first measure (though perhaps this was intentional to simplify things?) I'd rather avoid those. Of course, I'd also like to get different lyrics in there, and hopefully those new lyrics wouldn't have an obvious missing hyphen. The SVG images are available, so if anybody knows how to use inkscape, this is a fairly easy project. On Productions.html, I think you mis-entered the name of the other publishing company listed - on that page it's The Shady Lady Publishing but it looks like it should be The Shady Lane Publishing (though I quite like the former!). Whoops, thanks! Related to LilyPond promotion - do any people have suggestions as to how to explain it to people unfamiliar with LilyPond or the open source philosophy in general? I've done it as best as I can on the Freedom page. The concept is certainly much more mainstream than it used to be (using Linux or Firefox as examples seems to help) but it's still difficult to explain. I find that it helps to call it volunteering -- I mean, most people are familiar with organizations like Doctors Without Borders, and nobody (seriously) asks well, what do the doctors get out of it?. Also, I'm never sure how to promote LilyPond to technical illiterates who are used to a point-and-click interface. Again, our Text input page is the best that I've seen so far. I'm not opposed to changing either of those pages if anybody can come up with better reasons/explanations/etc, of course! Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca wrote: From: Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca Subject: Re: new website, draft 7 To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org, Jonathan Kulp jonlancek...@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 3:44 AM On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:18:16PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: 1. On the examples page, under the Jesu, Meine Freude, it says (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click to enlarge). Thanks, fixed. 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one of the f's is shifted down for some reason in the score for by Trevor Baca (bottom staff). It's a spacing issue; a bug. Jonathan: investigate, tweak the input, use a different version of lilypond, whatever. 3. On the features page, under the No Fiddling heading, it says, Don’t waste time with tweaking the output. I think should read Spend less time tweaking output. I say this because (as far as I know) there are still simple things like measure numbers floating above text spanners that require tweaks (albeit simple ones). Good point, done. 4. On the frontpage, there's a lilypad sitting on top of Lilypond's output :) Yeah, I'm not wild about that, but most people seem to like it. :| Wow, I'm out of touch! But I'm also not a designer so I come offering no alternatives. I like the angled white staff in the background, though. -Jonathan ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:18:16PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: 1. On the examples page, under the Jesu, Meine Freude, it says (click for longer excerpt) when it should say (click to enlarge). Thanks, fixed. 2. On the examples page, under Modern Music, one of the f's is shifted down for some reason in the score for by Trevor Baca (bottom staff). It's a spacing issue; a bug. Jonathan: investigate, tweak the input, use a different version of lilypond, whatever. I've fixed it and pushed. Trevor uses special macros for those dynamic markings, and for whatever reason one of them got dropped below all the others. I replaced it with a standard \f dynamic and that seems to have done it. I also had to modify the makefile in the examples dir--explanation in the commit message. Jon p.s. I've been quiet lately mostly b/c I'm trying to recover from tendonitis. Trying to keep typing to a minimum. :( -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:26:37PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: I've fixed it and pushed. Thanks! I also had to modify the makefile in the examples dir--explanation in the commit message. Ah, I see. I set it up so that I could run make generate-examples from the main dir. It doesn't matter, though -- John doesn't like that setup, so it's only a temporary thing for web-gop anyway. p.s. I've been quiet lately mostly b/c I'm trying to recover from tendonitis. Trying to keep typing to a minimum. :( Yikes! Ok, I'll reduce the amount that I pester you. Get better soon. :( Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:26:37PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: I've fixed it and pushed. Thanks! I also had to modify the makefile in the examples dir--explanation in the commit message. Ah, I see. I set it up so that I could run make generate-examples from the main dir. It doesn't matter, though -- John doesn't like that setup, so it's only a temporary thing for web-gop anyway. When I looked at my commit in gitk I didn't see the whole commit message. Did you see it? I did that one-line message, then went down a couple of lines and used # comment lines to further explain the Makefile change. Can you see those? What's the command to read a whole commit message from the command line instead of using gitk? Anyway all I said was that $(DEST) didn't appear to be defined, but I guess it's defined further up the tree. I didn't realize there was a new generate-examples target. Sorry if I caused troubles. :( p.s. I've been quiet lately mostly b/c I'm trying to recover from tendonitis. Trying to keep typing to a minimum. :( Yikes! Ok, I'll reduce the amount that I pester you. Get better soon. :( Thanks man. :) Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:06PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: When I looked at my commit in gitk I didn't see the whole commit message. Did you see it? I did that one-line message, then went down a couple of lines and used # comment lines to further explain the Makefile change. *head smack* Jonathan, didn't you notice the: # (Comment lines starting with '#' will not be included) line that's included every time you type git commit ? :P but I guess it's defined further up the tree. I didn't realize there was a new generate-examples target. Sorry if I caused troubles. :( No, it's no trouble at all. As I said, these makefiles won't ever be used in the main branch. And hopefully we won't have to update the examples ever again on web-gop... and if we do, it's no trouble to do so from that dir, rather than the texinfo/ dir. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.cawrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:06PM -0500, Jonathan Kulp wrote: When I looked at my commit in gitk I didn't see the whole commit message. Did you see it? I did that one-line message, then went down a couple of lines and used # comment lines to further explain the Makefile change. *head smack* Haha! Jonathan, didn't you notice the: # (Comment lines starting with '#' will not be included) line that's included every time you type git commit ? Yeah, but I guess I didn't understand it properly. I thought there was the top line that was the succinct commit message, then lines below that where you could elaborate. I guess you have to elaborate without #comment characters? Geez. Somehow I had it in my head that you needed to comment the explanatory comments. ;) Sigh. Jon -- Jonathan Kulp http://www.jonathankulp.com ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
If you need one more publisher to fill the empty space in the production page, you could add my http://theshadylanepublishing.com website , it is very very small so I don't know if it will be fine. Matthieu - http://theshadylanepublishing.com/ The Shady Lane Publishing -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/new-website%2C-draft-7-tp24736604p24776215.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
2009/7/30 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: http://lilypond.org/~graham/index.html I really like this. The Where now? stuff is simply brilliant. As is the green-ish gradient. Minor nitpicks: CSS - the quickSummary subheading's boder-bottom is a bit too thick to my taste (if it is to stay that thick, we should consider having rounded corners for it). Ditto about the h3 title in the footer. - similarly, the latestVersions subheading could use a rounded corner (for example the upper left corner) - I'm not sure it's a good idea to not show the Intro/Download/Manuals submenus on mouse hovering (IIRC we used to have a css trick for that). On one hand, showing them makes the website look more complex, but on the other hand it is very handy to have the ability to quickly access any page from the home page. - Download.html may look better if the OS names were vertically centered with the images. - on the home page's quick links, how about using a slightly different color for Stable and Unstable, like we do for the manuals? CONTENT - Perhaps the Features page does not insist explicitely enough on how much we're superior to our commercial competitors. (Or we could consider having a new comparison page) - Perhaps we could add some additional references to the FSF or the GNU project (in the footer, maybe?) - and what about a GNU logo on the Freedom page? WORDING - From the index page: LilyPond is an open-source music engraving program - I miss the word Free in this sentence... - Snippets.html : maybe we could explain *what* a snippet is, as we do with tiny examples. - Productions.html: perhaps we should add Kieren's stuff? Regards, Valentin ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On the page http://lilypond.org/~graham/Contact.html, definitely we should give the links for subscribing to the mailing lists: http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-devel http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bug-lilypond http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-lilypond I'd also add the links to the user-options, just because its is always so hard to find them if you don't already have the link: http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/lilypond-user http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/lilypond-devel http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/bug-lilypond http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/info-lilypond Then there are the mail-archive.com archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-de...@gnu.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-lilyp...@gnu.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/info-lilyp...@gnu.org/ And also the gmane archives (does anyone use these?): http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.general http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.devel http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.bugs http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnu.lilypond.announce I have no idea why we have three different sets of archives, but I guess different users might prefer different layouts, etc. - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
2009/7/30 Patrick McCarty pnor...@gmail.com: - background: url(background-image.png) no-repeat 0 0; + background: white url(background-image.png) no-repeat 0 0; I added #fff instead so that we'll save one byte. :-) Great :-) Stupid me, one byte, didn't mention... :-) Thanks! -Patrick -- Dmytro O. Redchuk ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
A complete nitpick: we should be thanking webdev.nl somewhere for hosting lilypond.org On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Graham Percivalgra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Hi all, http://lilypond.org/~graham/index.html -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - han...@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
Thanks, added. I'm not certain it looks good where it is right now (bottom-right of every page), but at least we won't forget about it, and we can move it elsewhere later. Cheers, - Graham On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 07:49:15PM -0300, Han-Wen Nienhuys wrote: A complete nitpick: we should be thanking webdev.nl somewhere for hosting lilypond.org On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:42 AM, Graham Percivalgra...@percival-music.ca wrote: Hi all, http://lilypond.org/~graham/index.html -- Han-Wen Nienhuys - han...@xs4all.nl - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
2009/7/30 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: RULE: you can't modify the html at all. You can ONLY send a new .css file. Current css file: http://lilypond.org/~graham/lilypond-general.css Well... Please :-) - background: url(background-image.png) no-repeat 0 0; + background: white url(background-image.png) no-repeat 0 0; Or shall i simply send a new css?-) ps. I wrote about this --- background-image.png supposes that the background colour is white; so why not to set it to white. Thank you. Cheers, - Graham -- Dmytro O. Redchuk ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
Graham Percival wrote: We've also moved to a gradient color scheme, sliding from algae green to decaying-leaves tan. (I say this because I have the greatest of respect for Patrick McCarty) When I'm on this page, http://lilypond.org/~graham/Text-input.html#Text-input It doesn't look like Text input is highlighted because the highlight-color fits right into the gradient effect. Also, why is it that Features Examples Freedom are in the same color, and Productions Testimonials are in the same color? Oh, I see. It's easier to understand when I look at the other pages; the coloring matches the associated box below. Interesting. It makes sense, but it looks like a mistake until you figure it out. - Mark ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 03:42 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: Hi all, http://lilypond.org/~graham/index.html We have a few experiments with the design, such as a condensed 2nd-layer TOC. This allows all the Manuals to fit onto my 800-pixel wide screen, but the text _is_ smaller. Let us know what you think. Is it possible to use License instead of FDL on the documentation page? Or would that be too many pixels? Joe ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 03:49:14PM +0300, Dmytro O. Redchuk wrote: 2009/7/30 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca: RULE: you can't modify the html at all. You can ONLY send a new .css file. Current css file: http://lilypond.org/~graham/lilypond-general.css Well... Please :-) - background: url(background-image.png) no-repeat 0 0; + background: white url(background-image.png) no-repeat 0 0; Thanks for the reminder! I added #fff instead so that we'll save one byte. :-) -Patrick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 09:04:00AM -0700, Joe Neeman wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-30 at 03:42 -0700, Graham Percival wrote: We have a few experiments with the design, such as a condensed 2nd-layer TOC. This allows all the Manuals to fit onto my 800-pixel wide screen, but the text _is_ smaller. Let us know what you think. Is it possible to use License instead of FDL on the documentation page? Or would that be too many pixels? Too many pixels, as well as potentially being confusing with GPL. I mean, the url will be license.html; we don't want people to think that lilypond's license is the FDL. I wish there was some way we could eliminate the last three sections from the Manuals page, but it really doesn't make sense to put them anywhere else (Community? Download?) Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: new website, draft 7
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:52:46AM -0700, Mark Polesky wrote: When I'm on this page, http://lilypond.org/~graham/Text-input.html#Text-input It doesn't look like Text input is highlighted because the highlight-color fits right into the gradient effect. Hmm. Would you suggest a lighter/darker color for the highlight, or just a completely separate set of colors to gradify between? Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
