Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
Am 21.12.2010 03:17, schrieb Graham Percival: [...] Excellent! How do we move forward and include this font? btw are there any other nice fonts that we could include as well? Somebody produces a patch, for lilypond git and/or GUB as necessary, and we will examine it. There are no guarantees that we will accept any patch. Do I need to fiddle with GUB to install a otf font file? I understand (roughly) how the metafont stuff works, but the JazzChord font is otf. I feel that pasting this file anywhere in lilypond's build tree won't suffice to make the font available :-/ Regards, Marc Off the top of my head, I'd estimate at least 10 hours of work for anybody unfamiliar with both lilypond and GUB to be able to produce any sort of a patch. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 09:22:12AM +0100, Marc Hohl wrote: Am 21.12.2010 03:17, schrieb Graham Percival: Excellent! How do we move forward and include this font? btw are there any other nice fonts that we could include as well? Somebody produces a patch, for lilypond git and/or GUB as necessary, and we will examine it. There are no guarantees that we will accept any patch. Do I need to fiddle with GUB to install a otf font file? I don't know. I don't even know what an otf font file is. I understand (roughly) how the metafont stuff works, but the JazzChord font is otf. I feel that pasting this file anywhere in lilypond's build tree won't suffice to make the font available :-/ That sounds reasonable. So obviously you need to 1. look at the otf-reading code to see how it loads stuff 2. figure out how to distribute an otf file by adding it to git and then figuring out how to make the build system include it in the data 3. maybe not do anything in GUB after all Estimated frog time: 20 hours. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
Graham Percival-3 wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: and does it make the download size much much bigger. How much is much much? Gonville is 3.5 MB, the Jazz font is 10 KB. Downloading lilypond is 20 MB, so personally, I don't think this would break the much much bigger clause. No, I don't think that's much much. Cheers, - Graham Excellent! How do we move forward and include this font? btw are there any other nice fonts that we could include as well? -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/lilypond-cameo-tp30416346p30503074.html Sent from the Gnu - Lilypond - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 06:07:28PM -0800, Marc M wrote: Graham Percival-3 wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: and does it make the download size much much bigger. How much is much much? Gonville is 3.5 MB, the Jazz font is 10 KB. Downloading lilypond is 20 MB, so personally, I don't think this would break the much much bigger clause. No, I don't think that's much much. Excellent! How do we move forward and include this font? btw are there any other nice fonts that we could include as well? Somebody produces a patch, for lilypond git and/or GUB as necessary, and we will examine it. There are no guarantees that we will accept any patch. Off the top of my head, I'd estimate at least 10 hours of work for anybody unfamiliar with both lilypond and GUB to be able to produce any sort of a patch. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On 21/12/10 13:07, Marc M wrote: Graham Percival-3 wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Marc Hohlm...@hohlart.de wrote: and does it make the download size much much bigger. How much is much much? Gonville is 3.5 MB, the Jazz font is 10 KB. Downloading lilypond is 20 MB, so personally, I don't think this would break the much much bigger clause. No, I don't think that's much much. Cheers, - Graham Excellent! How do we move forward and include this font? btw are there any other nice fonts that we could include as well? Two other music fonts that I've installed and used in Lilypond from time to time are Sonora and Tempera. They're part of a collection of six free fonts by Christian Texier (http://christian.texier.pagespro-orange.fr/mididesi/free/index.htm). Nick ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On 21/12/10 14:31, Nick Payne wrote: On 21/12/10 13:07, Marc M wrote: Graham Percival-3 wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Marc Hohlm...@hohlart.de wrote: and does it make the download size much much bigger. How much is much much? Gonville is 3.5 MB, the Jazz font is 10 KB. Downloading lilypond is 20 MB, so personally, I don't think this would break the much much bigger clause. No, I don't think that's much much. Cheers, - Graham Excellent! How do we move forward and include this font? btw are there any other nice fonts that we could include as well? Two other music fonts that I've installed and used in Lilypond from time to time are Sonora and Tempera. They're part of a collection of six free fonts by Christian Texier (http://christian.texier.pagespro-orange.fr/mididesi/free/index.htm). Nick ps. There's an extensive list of music fonts at http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/music.html. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
Am 15.12.2010 00:36, schrieb Valentin Villenave: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Marc Hohlm...@hohlart.de wrote: Oh - thanks for the hint! I'll contact him... I'm available to do the go-between if needed. Thanks for your offer! I have no response until now, but when problems occur, I'll inform you. Regards, Marc Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On 12/10/2010 05:43 PM, Jan Warchoł wrote: Seriously though, have you considered changing the default font for chords? For /some/ things, it's nice to have serif-ed chord names; an easy way is to put \override ChordName #'font-size = #0 \override ChordName #'font-family = #'roman in \layout \context ChordNames, which gives the attached. Or you could try \override ChordName #'font-name = #'Exact Font Name to use any font on your system. attachment: serif-chordname.png___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, M Watts zwy648...@gmail.com wrote: Or you could try \override ChordName #'font-name = #'Exact Font Name to use any font on your system. BTW: A French guy has made a special font for jazz-like chord names: http://sites.google.com/site/jpgzic Thought I'd share it with you guys :) Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
wow the font is really nice for song books. I also discovered the Gonville fonts and it would be great if those fonts be included into lilypond out of the box and the selection of font made simpler. On 12/14/2010 7:15 AM, Valentin Villenave wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:58 AM, M Wattszwy648...@gmail.com wrote: Or you could try \override ChordName #'font-name = #'Exact Font Name to use any font on your system. BTW: A French guy has made a special font for jazz-like chord names: http://sites.google.com/site/jpgzic Thought I'd share it with you guys :) Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
Am 14.12.2010 14:23, schrieb Marc Mouries: wow the font is really nice for song books. I also discovered the Gonville fonts and it would be great if those fonts be included into lilypond out of the box and the selection of font made simpler. +1 Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:32:09PM +0100, Marc Hohl wrote: Am 14.12.2010 14:23, schrieb Marc Mouries: wow the font is really nice for song books. I also discovered the Gonville fonts and it would be great if those fonts be included into lilypond out of the box and the selection of font made simpler. +1 Patches for http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1204 will be thoughtfully examined. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
Am 14.12.2010 19:38, schrieb Graham Percival: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 07:32:09PM +0100, Marc Hohl wrote: Am 14.12.2010 14:23, schrieb Marc Mouries: wow the font is really nice for song books. I also discovered the Gonville fonts and it would be great if those fonts be included into lilypond out of the box and the selection of font made simpler. +1 Patches for http://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=1204 will be thoughtfully examined. :-) Ok, you're right - but IMHO 1204 is about documenting the new font features, whereas Marc Mouries proposed to include the Jazz font and Gonville into the standard lilypond distribution, which is another issue. Jean-Pierre G writes that the font is free to use, but he doesn't leave a contact mail address on the page (or I have overlooked it - my french is very rusty) so it is difficult to ask him... The Gonville licence seems to be very permissive already. Does it make sense to include external fonts into lilypond? Regards, Marc Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 08:02:11PM +0100, Marc Hohl wrote: Ok, you're right - but IMHO 1204 is about documenting the new font features, whereas Marc Mouries proposed to include the Jazz font and Gonville into the standard lilypond distribution, which is another issue. Does it make sense to include external fonts into lilypond? Technically, it's impossible to include external fonts, since once they're included they cease to be external. Patches will be thoughtfully considered (and I'm assuming that the patch is under GPLv3). The main questions are does it break anything that's currently working, does it make things slower, and does it make the download size much much bigger. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
Am 14.12.2010 20:09, schrieb Graham Percival: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 08:02:11PM +0100, Marc Hohl wrote: Ok, you're right - but IMHO 1204 is about documenting the new font features, whereas Marc Mouries proposed to include the Jazz font and Gonville into the standard lilypond distribution, which is another issue. Does it make sense to include external fonts into lilypond? Technically, it's impossible to include external fonts, since once they're included they cease to be external. But including included fonts doesn't work either... :) Patches will be thoughtfully considered (and I'm assuming that the patch is under GPLv3). The main questions are does it break anything that's currently working, does it make things slower, ok, and does it make the download size much much bigger. How much is much much? Gonville is 3.5 MB, the Jazz font is 10 KB. Downloading lilypond is 20 MB, so personally, I don't think this would break the much much bigger clause. Regards, Marc ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: and does it make the download size much much bigger. How much is much much? Gonville is 3.5 MB, the Jazz font is 10 KB. Downloading lilypond is 20 MB, so personally, I don't think this would break the much much bigger clause. No, I don't think that's much much. Cheers, - Graham ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
2010/12/14 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de: Am 14.12.2010 19:38, schrieb Graham Percival: Jean-Pierre G writes that the font is free to use, but he doesn't leave a contact mail address on the page (or I have overlooked it - my french is very rusty) so it is difficult to ask him... You did, in fact it is there: jpc...@gmail.com Jakob. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
Am 14.12.2010 20:34, schrieb jakob lund: 2010/12/14 Marc Hohlm...@hohlart.de: Am 14.12.2010 19:38, schrieb Graham Percival: Jean-Pierre G writes that the font is free to use, but he doesn't leave a contact mail address on the page (or I have overlooked it - my french is very rusty) so it is difficult to ask him... You did, in fact it is there: jpc...@gmail.com Oh - thanks for the hint! I'll contact him... Regards, Marc Jakob. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de wrote: Oh - thanks for the hint! I'll contact him... I'm available to do the go-between if needed. Cheers, Valentin. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: ChordName Font [was: lilypond cameo]
2010/12/14 Valentin Villenave valen...@villenave.net: BTW: A French guy has made a special font for jazz-like chord names: http://sites.google.com/site/jpgzic Thought I'd share it with you guys :) Thanks, it's really jazzy and looks like an interesting alternative for default sans :) 2010/12/14 Marc Mouries m...@mouries.net: wow the font is really nice for song books. I also discovered the Gonville fonts and it would be great if those fonts be included into lilypond out of the box and the selection of font made simpler. +1 :) 2010/12/14 Marc Hohl m...@hohlart.de: Does it make sense to include external fonts into lilypond? I think they will make LilyPond more versatile and better suited for average users. Surely anyone can istall them himself, but things that work out-of-the-box are much more convenient, especially for the average user (average users don't want to mess with the internals too much, in fact i'm scared by them myself). It's all about user-friendliness i think. cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond cameo
2010/12/10 James james.l...@datacore.com: Hello On 10/12/2010 07:43, Jan Warchoł wrote: Seriously though, have you considered changing the default font for chords? Oh yes, but only to make it smaller, I prefer mine '12% smaller' than default, but the 'sans' font I think, is how chord names should be displayed. I know it's a preference and I don't think the feta font has anything to do with it - at least from my perspective - but more than when you have a lead sheet or a score with chords on it plus all the other 'gumpf' that is usually in a serif font (title, composer, arranger, tempo, dim.. cresc.. etc) they blend in when they are anything but sans. Maybe you are right. I have to admit that my scores that have chord names don't have almost any other stuff that could mix with them. When I see serif used for chord names it's like someone using 'zapf chancery' for body text because it's 'fancy' :) Although I have to say I have seen chord names in 'comic sans' on printed material I have played in my Wind Band and actually while that sounds dreadful, when you're playing some old time rag or an old traditional song that's about 'jolly' things, comic sans chord names seem some how apt! I'd say that it's very interesting. Something distinctive, but not as soulles as regular sans, might be the best choice for chords (i don't want to say that it should be comic sans of course :) ). Well, if i stumble across any font that may fit i'll let you know. cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond cameo
On 13/12/2010 16:14, Jan Warchoł wrote: I'd say that it's very interesting. Something distinctive, but not as soulles as regular sans, might be the best choice for chords (i don't want to say that it should be comic sans of course:) ) But if, for instance you were doing a Ukulele Cover of Bach or something extreme like that then I would want to see the chord names in something Gothic and Heavy :) Or maybe that's just me? have fun! james ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond cameo
Hello On 10/12/2010 07:43, Jan Warchoł wrote: Seriously though, have you considered changing the default font for chords? Oh yes, but only to make it smaller, I prefer mine '12% smaller' than default, but the 'sans' font I think, is how chord names should be displayed. I know it's a preference and I don't think the feta font has anything to do with it - at least from my perspective - but more than when you have a lead sheet or a score with chords on it plus all the other 'gumpf' that is usually in a serif font (title, composer, arranger, tempo, dim.. cresc.. etc) they blend in when they are anything but sans. When I see serif used for chord names it's like someone using 'zapf chancery' for body text because it's 'fancy' :) Although I have to say I have seen chord names in 'comic sans' on printed material I have played in my Wind Band and actually while that sounds dreadful, when you're playing some old time rag or an old traditional song that's about 'jolly' things, comic sans chord names seem some how apt! Have fun JAmes ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond cameo
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Vicente Solsona vice...@lavabit.com wrote: the following comments in the original video page (http://vimeo.com/17419652) are remarkable: Q. Brilliant. Love the guitar solo! Sibelius or Finale? A. LilyPond Awesome! -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
lilypond cameo
dear lilyponders, just received this from planet.linuxaudio.org: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2010/12/utterly-brilliant-fan-made-jonathan-coulton-music-video-with-lilypad-notation-cameo/ the following comments in the original video page (http://vimeo.com/17419652) are remarkable: Q. Brilliant. Love the guitar solo! Sibelius or Finale? A. LilyPond ~(:-D greetings, Vicente ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
RE: lilypond cameo
Hmm..that video was only slightly more annoying than a bouncing ball over lyrics...for those that want to 'show me the money'...it all starts with LilyPond at about 2:11. Although he obviously doesn't like the 'sans' Font for Chords ;) James -Original Message- From: lilypond-user-bounces+james.lowe=datacore@gnu.org on behalf of Brett McCoy Sent: Fri 12/10/2010 0:49 To: Vicente Solsona Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: lilypond cameo On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Vicente Solsona vice...@lavabit.com wrote: the following comments in the original video page (http://vimeo.com/17419652) are remarkable: Q. Brilliant. Love the guitar solo! Sibelius or Finale? A. LilyPond Awesome! -- Brett W. McCoy -- http://www.electricminstrel.com In the rhythm of music a secret is hidden; If I were to divulge it, it would overturn the world. -- Jelaleddin Rumi ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
Re: lilypond cameo
2010/12/10 James Lowe james.l...@datacore.com Hmm..that video was only slightly more annoying than a bouncing ball over lyrics...for those that want to 'show me the money'...it all starts with LilyPond at about 2:11. Although he obviously doesn't like the 'sans' Font for Chords I don't like it too, it doesn't blend nicely with rest of the score. Perhaps it's because of Feta font, which is quite ornamental and chord font is not (i think they would blend quite good with some finale scores)... I have the impression that the chord names with default font are yelling at me: here we are and we are brutal! yeah, the notes are subtle but we, we are like hit in your face ;) Seriously though, have you considered changing the default font for chords? cheers, Janek ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
