Re: trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

2015-12-15 Thread Mike F. 
Well spotted.  For some reason the string arrangement I'm adapting uses 
alternate endings every 8 bars...


In looking through all 4 parts, I see no difference in 1st or 2nd 
endings.  I'm betting that this 4-part rendering ONLY used the alt 
endings to denote a more obvious Fine.


I'm going to doublecheck the notes to make sure, play with T.Morley's 
advice, and decide whether to follow the older score you linked to or 
the newer 4-part arrangement.


On 12/14/2015 06:51 PM, Mark Stephen Mrotek wrote:


Mike:

Looking at the piece

http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/f/f5/IMSLP24315-PMLP55004-Mozart_3_Deutsche_Tanze_K.605.pdf

the first section does not have alternative endings.

The Trio starts a new staff/section.

Mark

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*Subject:* trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same 
place.


Is there any way to have an endbar (\bar "|.") AND the begin-repeat 
for my \repeat volta 2 {} simultaneously?


I'm attempting to typeset a typical Mozart Menuetto/Trio (Sleigh Ride 
K605 #3) with a DC al Fine that ends after the last \alternative in 
the Menuetto.  The beginning of the Trio must start with a volta 
repeat, but I'd really like to have an End-Bar under the Fine.


Any ideas?  Google and I can't seem to find anything close online.

(I already used the snippet for an invisible measure--named \splitBar 
in my macros--to separate out the \mark \markup {"Fine"} and the \mark 
\default at the Trio beginning.)


Here's the outline of Herr Mozart's Menuetto/Trio.

Thanks in advance.

---


outlineSleighRide = {

\tempo "Menuetto" 4=180

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 1-7

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 8

{ s2. | } % 9

} % end alternative

\mark \default % rehearsal A

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 10-16

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 17

{ s2. | } % 18

} % end alternative

\fine

\splitBar

\mark \default % rehearsal B

\key bes \major

\tempo "Trio"

\repeat volta 2 {

% B

s4. s4. | % 19

s2.*6 | % 20-25

} % end volta repeat

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 26

{ s2. | } % 27

} % end alternative

\mark \default % rehearsal C

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 28-34

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 35

{ s2. | } % 36

} % end alternative

\key f \major

\DCalfine

} % end outlineSleighRide

-<\code>---



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Re: trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

2015-12-15 Thread Mike F. 
T.Morley, you pointed me in the right direction.  This gave me the 
\bar"|." I wanted to end the Menuetto with, but still no \bar"|:" to 
kick off the Trio.


Turns out it was something to do with the \splitBar that I used to get 
my \mark "Fine" AND my \mark \default.  As near as I can tell, \splitBar 
caused Lilypond to treat my Trio as the first measure of a new piece, 
and of course \bar"|:" doesn't print by default.


The snippet in UM 1.4.1 (right before "Written-out repeats") got that 
sorted for me, once I figured out that it needs to be in both my 
\outlineSleighRide as well as my SleighRide parts.


Thanks Morley and Mrotek.  I would've spent several days finding this 
without you.  I'm tempted to omit the alternates, but I'll see which 
style I like best.


Complete code listed below, but I have yet to finish the 3 lower string 
parts (or lay the outline on top of those parts...)


On 12/14/2015 07:17 PM, Thomas Morley wrote:

#(define-bar-line ".|:-a" "|." ".|:" ".|")


--

\version "2.18.2"

\header {

title = "Sleigh Ride"

subtitle = "from German Dance, K.605 #3"

instrument = "Score"

composer = "Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart"

}

\paper {

#(set-paper-size "letter")

}

#(ly:set-option 'point-and-click #t)


optionalCut = {\once \override Score.RehearsalMark.break-visibility = 
#begin-of-line-invisible


\mark \markup { "Opt. cut to "\raise #1 \musicglyph #"scripts.coda"} }

thecodasign = \mark \markup {\musicglyph #"scripts.coda" "Coda"}

thesegno = \mark \markup {\musicglyph #"scripts.segno"}

varcodasign = \mark \markup {\musicglyph #"scripts.varcoda"}

Radjust = \once \override Score.RehearsalMark.self-alignment-X = #RIGHT

Ladjust = \once \override Score.RehearsalMark.self-alignment-X = #LEFT

gotocoda = { \once \override Score.RehearsalMark.break-visibility = 
#begin-of-line-invisible


\Radjust \mark \markup { "Go to "\musicglyph #"scripts.coda" } \bar"||" }

blankClefKey = {\once \override Staff.KeySignature.break-visibility = 
#all-invisible


\once \override Staff.Clef.break-visibility = #all-invisible

}

codetta = {\mark \markup \line {\musicglyph #"scripts.coda" \hspace 
#-1.3 \musicglyph #"scripts.coda"} }


fineFermata = { \once \override Score.RehearsalMark.break-visibility = 
#begin-of-line-invisible


\Radjust \mark \markup {"Fine"} \mark \markup {\musicglyph 
#"scripts.ufermata" }


\bar "|." }

fine = { \once \override Score.RehearsalMark.break-visibility = 
#begin-of-line-invisible


\Radjust \mark \markup {"Fine"}

\bar "|." }

fineNoEndBar = { \once \override Score.RehearsalMark.break-visibility = 
#begin-of-line-invisible


\Radjust \mark \markup {"Fine"}

\mark \markup {\musicglyph #"scripts.ufermata" }

}

DCalfineNoBars = {\Radjust \mark \markup {"D.C. al Fine"} \blankClefKey 
\stopStaff \cadenzaOn }


DCalfine = {\Radjust \mark \markup {"D.C. al Fine"} \bar "||" 
\blankClefKey \stopStaff \cadenzaOn }


DCalcoda = {\Radjust \mark \markup {"D.C. al Coda"} \bar "||" 
\blankClefKey \stopStaff \cadenzaOn }


DSalfine = {\Radjust \mark \markup {"D.S. al Fine"} \bar "||" 
\blankClefKey \stopStaff \cadenzaOn }


DSalcoda = {\Radjust \mark \markup {"D.S. al Coda"} \bar "||" 
\blankClefKey \stopStaff \cadenzaOn }


showClefKey = {\once \override Staff.KeySignature.break-visibility = 
#all-visible


\once \override Staff.Clef.break-visibility = #all-visible

}

resumeStaff = { s32 % Add a whee bit of staff before the clef!

\cadenzaOff \startStaff % Resume bar count and show staff lines again

\bar ""

}

%% whitespace between D.S./D.C. and the Coda:

codaspace = {\repeat unfold 2 {s4 s4 s4 s4 \noBreak \bar "" }}

theCoda = {\noBreak \codaspace \resumeStaff \showClefKey \thecodasign}

%% ---end-of-coda-segno-macros--

%% for codas/segno/fine \marks on the "same" barline

splitBar = {

\cadenzaOn

\once \omit Score.TimeSignature

\time 1/16

s16 \bar ""

\cadenzaOff

}

mscoreFormat = {

\set Score.skipBars = ##t

% \override Score.BarNumber.break-visibility = #end-of-line-invisible 
%%every bar is numbered.!!!


%% remove previous line to get barnumbers only at beginning of system.

\accidentalStyle modern-cautionary

\set Score.markFormatter = #format-mark-box-letters %%boxed rehearsal-marks

\override Score.TimeSignature.style = #'() %%makes timesigs always numerical

\compressFullBarRests

\override Score.BarNumber.break-visibility = #'#(#f #t #t) % everywhere 
except endbar on line


\set Score.barNumberVisibility = #(every-nth-bar-number-visible 4)

% Left-align bar numbers

\override Score.BarNumber.self-alignment-X = #LEFT

\override Glissando.style = #'trill

\override MultiMeasureRest.expand-limit = #1

}

globalSleighRide = {

\mscoreFormat

\key f \major

\numericTimeSignature

\time 3/4

}

outlineSleighRide = {

\tempo "Menuetto" 4=180

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 1-7

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 8

{ s2. | } % 9

} % end alternative

\mark \default % rehearsal A

trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

2015-12-14 Thread Mike F. 
Is there any way to have an endbar (\bar "|.") AND the begin-repeat for 
my \repeat volta 2 {} simultaneously?


I'm attempting to typeset a typical Mozart Menuetto/Trio (Sleigh Ride 
K605 #3) with a DC al Fine that ends after the last \alternative in the 
Menuetto.  The beginning of the Trio must start with a volta repeat, but 
I'd really like to have an End-Bar under the Fine.


Any ideas?  Google and I can't seem to find anything close online.

(I already used the snippet for an invisible measure--named \splitBar in 
my macros--to separate out the \mark \markup {"Fine"} and the \mark 
\default at the Trio beginning.)


Here's the outline of Herr Mozart's Menuetto/Trio.

Thanks in advance.

---

outlineSleighRide = {

\tempo "Menuetto" 4=180

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 1-7

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 8

{ s2. | } % 9

} % end alternative

\mark \default % rehearsal A

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 10-16

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 17

{ s2. | } % 18

} % end alternative

\fine

\splitBar

\mark \default % rehearsal B

\key bes \major

\tempo "Trio"

\repeat volta 2 {

% B

s4. s4. | % 19

s2.*6 | % 20-25

} % end volta repeat

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 26

{ s2. | } % 27

} % end alternative

\mark \default % rehearsal C

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 28-34

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 35

{ s2. | } % 36

} % end alternative

\key f \major

\DCalfine

} % end outlineSleighRide

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RE: trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

2015-12-14 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek 
Mike:

 

Looking at the piece

http://petrucci.mus.auth.gr/imglnks/usimg/f/f5/IMSLP24315-PMLP55004-Mozart_3_Deutsche_Tanze_K.605.pdf

the first section does not have alternative endings.

The Trio starts a new staff/section.

 

Mark

 

From: lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org 
[mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Mike F.
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 5:39 PM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
Subject: trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

 

Is there any way to have an endbar (\bar "|.") AND the begin-repeat for my 
\repeat volta 2 {} simultaneously?

I'm attempting to typeset a typical Mozart Menuetto/Trio (Sleigh Ride K605 #3) 
with a DC al Fine that ends after the last \alternative in the Menuetto.  The 
beginning of the Trio must start with a volta repeat, but I'd really like to 
have an End-Bar under the Fine.

Any ideas?  Google and I can't seem to find anything close online.

(I already used the snippet for an invisible measure--named \splitBar in my 
macros--to separate out the \mark \markup {"Fine"} and the \mark \default at 
the Trio beginning.)

Here's the outline of Herr Mozart's Menuetto/Trio.

Thanks in advance.

---




outlineSleighRide = {

\tempo "Menuetto" 4=180

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 1-7

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 8

{ s2. | } % 9

} % end alternative 

\mark \default % rehearsal A

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 10-16

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 17

{ s2. | } % 18

} % end alternative 

\fine

\splitBar

\mark \default % rehearsal B

\key bes \major

\tempo "Trio"

\repeat volta 2 {

% B

s4. s4. | % 19

s2.*6 | % 20-25

} % end volta repeat 

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 26

{ s2. | } % 27

} % end alternative 

\mark \default % rehearsal C

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 28-34

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 35

{ s2. | } % 36

} % end alternative 

\key f \major

\DCalfine

} % end outlineSleighRide

-<\code>---

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Re: trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

2015-12-14 Thread Thomas Morley 
2015-12-15 3:13 GMT+01:00 Thomas Morley :
> 2015-12-15 2:38 GMT+01:00 Mike F. :
>> Is there any way to have an endbar (\bar "|.") AND the begin-repeat for my
>> \repeat volta 2 {} simultaneously?
>>
>> I'm attempting to typeset a typical Mozart Menuetto/Trio (Sleigh Ride K605
>> #3) with a DC al Fine that ends after the last \alternative in the Menuetto.
>> The beginning of the Trio must start with a volta repeat, but I'd really
>> like to have an End-Bar under the Fine.
>>
>> Any ideas?  Google and I can't seem to find anything close online.
>>
>> (I already used the snippet for an invisible measure--named \splitBar in my
>> macros--to separate out the \mark \markup {"Fine"} and the \mark \default at
>> the Trio beginning.)
>>
>> Here's the outline of Herr Mozart's Menuetto/Trio.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> ---
>>
>> outlineSleighRide = {
>>
>> \tempo "Menuetto" 4=180
>>
>> \repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 1-7
>>
>> \alternative {
>>
>> { s2. | } % 8
>>
>> { s2. | } % 9
>>
>> } % end alternative
>>
>> \mark \default % rehearsal A
>>
>> \repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 10-16
>>
>> \alternative {
>>
>> { s2. | } % 17
>>
>> { s2. | } % 18
>>
>> } % end alternative
>>
>> \fine
>>
>> \splitBar
>>
>> \mark \default % rehearsal B
>>
>> \key bes \major
>>
>> \tempo "Trio"
>>
>> \repeat volta 2 {
>>
>> % B
>>
>> s4. s4. | % 19
>>
>> s2.*6 | % 20-25
>>
>> } % end volta repeat
>>
>> \alternative {
>>
>> { s2. | } % 26
>>
>> { s2. | } % 27
>>
>> } % end alternative
>>
>> \mark \default % rehearsal C
>>
>> \repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 28-34
>>
>> \alternative {
>>
>> { s2. | } % 35
>>
>> { s2. | } % 36
>>
>> } % end alternative
>>
>> \key f \major
>>
>> \DCalfine
>>
>> } % end outlineSleighRide
>>
>> -<\code>---
>>
>
> Please always post the version you use and a tiny, _compilable_ example.
> Right now I've no good idea what you're trying to achieve.
> Usually I ignore posts without version/compilable example, I hate to
> guess what _may_ be wished.
> Though, I'm pretty drunk (love those Islay single malts)
>
> Here a guess:
>
> \version "2.19.32"
>
> #(define-bar-line ".|:-a" "|." ".|:" "|")
Better:
#(define-bar-line ".|:-a" "|." ".|:" ".|")
>
> {
>   s1
>   \break
>   \bar ".|:-a"
>   \repeat volta 2 { s1 }
> }
>
> HTH,
>   Harm

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Re: trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

2015-12-14 Thread Thomas Morley 
2015-12-15 2:38 GMT+01:00 Mike F. :
> Is there any way to have an endbar (\bar "|.") AND the begin-repeat for my
> \repeat volta 2 {} simultaneously?
>
> I'm attempting to typeset a typical Mozart Menuetto/Trio (Sleigh Ride K605
> #3) with a DC al Fine that ends after the last \alternative in the Menuetto.
> The beginning of the Trio must start with a volta repeat, but I'd really
> like to have an End-Bar under the Fine.
>
> Any ideas?  Google and I can't seem to find anything close online.
>
> (I already used the snippet for an invisible measure--named \splitBar in my
> macros--to separate out the \mark \markup {"Fine"} and the \mark \default at
> the Trio beginning.)
>
> Here's the outline of Herr Mozart's Menuetto/Trio.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> ---
>
> outlineSleighRide = {
>
> \tempo "Menuetto" 4=180
>
> \repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 1-7
>
> \alternative {
>
> { s2. | } % 8
>
> { s2. | } % 9
>
> } % end alternative
>
> \mark \default % rehearsal A
>
> \repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 10-16
>
> \alternative {
>
> { s2. | } % 17
>
> { s2. | } % 18
>
> } % end alternative
>
> \fine
>
> \splitBar
>
> \mark \default % rehearsal B
>
> \key bes \major
>
> \tempo "Trio"
>
> \repeat volta 2 {
>
> % B
>
> s4. s4. | % 19
>
> s2.*6 | % 20-25
>
> } % end volta repeat
>
> \alternative {
>
> { s2. | } % 26
>
> { s2. | } % 27
>
> } % end alternative
>
> \mark \default % rehearsal C
>
> \repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 28-34
>
> \alternative {
>
> { s2. | } % 35
>
> { s2. | } % 36
>
> } % end alternative
>
> \key f \major
>
> \DCalfine
>
> } % end outlineSleighRide
>
> -<\code>---
>

Please always post the version you use and a tiny, _compilable_ example.
Right now I've no good idea what you're trying to achieve.
Usually I ignore posts without version/compilable example, I hate to
guess what _may_ be wished.
Though, I'm pretty drunk (love those Islay single malts)

Here a guess:

\version "2.19.32"

#(define-bar-line ".|:-a" "|." ".|:" "|")

{
  s1
  \break
  \bar ".|:-a"
  \repeat volta 2 { s1 }
}

HTH,
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Re: trouble with end bar and open-repeat (volta) bars at same place.

2015-12-14 Thread Mike F. 
Thanks for your prompt suggestion.  I thought of "version #" just after 
[send].  Typical.


\version "2.18.2"

I'm no good at making my own #defs, but I'm familiar enough with them 
that I think I understand yours.  I'll test when I've  finished a bit of 
holiday shopping.


Again, thanks.

On 12/14/2015 07:17 PM, Thomas Morley wrote:

2015-12-15 3:13 GMT+01:00 Thomas Morley :

2015-12-15 2:38 GMT+01:00 Mike F. :

Is there any way to have an endbar (\bar "|.") AND the begin-repeat for my
\repeat volta 2 {} simultaneously?

I'm attempting to typeset a typical Mozart Menuetto/Trio (Sleigh Ride K605
#3) with a DC al Fine that ends after the last \alternative in the Menuetto.
The beginning of the Trio must start with a volta repeat, but I'd really
like to have an End-Bar under the Fine.

Any ideas?  Google and I can't seem to find anything close online.

(I already used the snippet for an invisible measure--named \splitBar in my
macros--to separate out the \mark \markup {"Fine"} and the \mark \default at
the Trio beginning.)

Here's the outline of Herr Mozart's Menuetto/Trio.

Thanks in advance.

---

outlineSleighRide = {

\tempo "Menuetto" 4=180

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 1-7

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 8

{ s2. | } % 9

} % end alternative

\mark \default % rehearsal A

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 10-16

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 17

{ s2. | } % 18

} % end alternative

\fine

\splitBar

\mark \default % rehearsal B

\key bes \major

\tempo "Trio"

\repeat volta 2 {

% B

s4. s4. | % 19

s2.*6 | % 20-25

} % end volta repeat

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 26

{ s2. | } % 27

} % end alternative

\mark \default % rehearsal C

\repeat volta 2 { s2.*7 | } % 28-34

\alternative {

{ s2. | } % 35

{ s2. | } % 36

} % end alternative

\key f \major

\DCalfine

} % end outlineSleighRide

-<\code>---


Please always post the version you use and a tiny, _compilable_ example.
Right now I've no good idea what you're trying to achieve.
Usually I ignore posts without version/compilable example, I hate to
guess what _may_ be wished.
Though, I'm pretty drunk (love those Islay single malts)

Here a guess:

\version "2.19.32"

#(define-bar-line ".|:-a" "|." ".|:" "|")

Better:
#(define-bar-line ".|:-a" "|." ".|:" ".|")

{
   s1
   \break
   \bar ".|:-a"
   \repeat volta 2 { s1 }
}

HTH,
   Harm


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