Re: [Haifux] New Version of the Basic Use Lecture
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: You can find it here: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/W2L/Basic_Use/slides/ The highlight of this version are the screenshots that I added. Otherwise, I did not feel there is a need to revise anything. Section 2.2 - Exiting from the shell - You can also close the window or use ctrl-D to exit from a shell. Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- If you cannot in the long run tell everyone what you have been doing, your doing was worthless. -- Edwim Schrodinger -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: New Version of the Basic Use Lecture
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Alon Altman wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: You can find it here: http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/lecture/W2L/Basic_Use/slides/ The highlight of this version are the screenshots that I added. Otherwise, I did not feel there is a need to revise anything. Can you translate it to Hebrew? I think the entire series should be in Hebrew in order to actively show that Hebrew is not a problem. Be my guest in translating it to Hebrew... ;-) I on my part am not going to bother. Regards, Shlomi Fish Alon -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He who re-invents the wheel, understands much better how a wheel works. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Topics for Hebrew lecture (fwd)
The Hebrew lecture should be written in a problem-driven approach, explaining that ``Hebrew'' is actually quite a few problems, some related, some not. The following topics should/may be discussed: A. Viewing Hebrew 1. Encodings and locale - viewing Hebrew and not '?'. 2. Fonts - seeing Hebrew and not gibberish + installing windows fonts and Microsoft core fonts. 3. BiDi - reading right-to-left: built-in in new Qt and Gtk. Should we discuss bidiv, biditext, bidi-xterm, and similar hacks? 4. Browser configuration (Mozilla and/or Konqueror) - Not quite a problem. Just need to select fonts. B. Typing Hebrew (select at least one) 1. xkb configuration in XF86Config 2. configuration via setxkbmap 3. using the KDE keyboard helper C. Applications 1. Word processing - LyX, AbiWord, more? 2. others? D. Localization (Hebrew menus, etc.) 1. General - LC_MESSAGES. 2. KDE localization (just mention it). 3. Mozilla languaage pack. Also, some theoretical background about unicode, encodings, and the different aspects of i18n is recommended. Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- SHOP OR DIE, people of Earth! [offer void where prohibited] -- Capitalists from outer space, from Justice League Int'l comics -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] P.R. responsibilities
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Orr Dunkelman wrote: The following P.R. asspects are handled by the following people, ?? means an open position: Internet and Forums - Nadav Rutem. Mailing Lists - Shlomi F. Jouranls, etc. - Orr. Posters - Creating - Adir + Orr. Technion - Adir + Orr. Haifa University - ?? i will try to handle the haifa uni thing - last year, they carried some linux day there - but i did not contact the organizer on time. if they do that again this year, i'll try talking to the organizer. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Topics for Hebrew lecture (fwd)
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Alon Altman wrote:
The Hebrew lecture should be written in a problem-driven approach,
explaining that ``Hebrew'' is actually quite a few problems, some related,
some not.
Problematic areas:
* printing
* obtaining fonts
* legacy programs (expecially gtk1.2 programs)
The following topics should/may be discussed:
A. Viewing Hebrew
1. Encodings and locale - viewing Hebrew and not '?'.
2. Fonts - seeing Hebrew and not gibberish + installing windows fonts and
Microsoft core fonts.
MS's core fonts are no longer available
3. BiDi - reading right-to-left: built-in in new Qt and Gtk. Should we
discuss bidiv, biditext, bidi-xterm, and similar hacks?
http://mlterm.sf.net/ . A replacement for bidi-xterm, that doesn't crash.
bidiv is useful as a command-line filter. fribidi(1) can also serve a
similar purpose.
4. Browser configuration (Mozilla and/or Konqueror) - Not quite a problem.
Just need to select fonts.
B. Typing Hebrew (select at least one)
1. xkb configuration in XF86Config
2. configuration via setxkbmap
3. using the KDE keyboard helper
They are basically three interfaces to the same task. Some explanation of
Xkb's terminology is needed, and a word of warning from kde's keyboard
helper ('define only a hebrew layout, and don't use the ctrl-alt--k
for swtiching')
C. Applications
1. Word processing - LyX, AbiWord, more?
kword, OpenOffice
2. others?
Other koffice components?
There is a resonable chance of OpenOffice bidi to be released by then (and
a reasonable chance that it will have many fonts issues)
For Hebrew calendar:
* hdata/hcal
* kluach
D. Localization (Hebrew menus, etc.)
1. General - LC_MESSAGES.
LC_TIME seems to be there as well
2. KDE localization (just mention it).
3. Mozilla languaage pack.
E. File-system access:
* mount windows partitions with the option 'utf-8'
* make sure your locale is a UTF-8 one if you intend to write Hebrew file
names on a linux file-system
This guarantees that both konqueror, nautilus/gtk2 and the shell will use
the same file names, and no inaccessible files will be created.
F. Console Settings
Not very complecated. No bidi, though.
Though I figure that due to time limitations, this will reamin in the
references section.
Also, some theoretical background about unicode, encodings, and the
different aspects of i18n is recommended.
Alon
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Re: [Haifux] Events responsibilities
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, guy keren wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Orna Agmon wrote:
Yesterday we divided most of the responsibilities for lectures and events
for w2l.
There is a lot of room to fill yourself in and help out.
could someone post a summary of the decisions, so those of us who missed
yestwoday's meeting could catch up?
Muli is coordinating the events.
For each event, we have/needa coordinator as well as an assistant.
what exactly is a 'coordinator' supposed to do? and an assistant?
Coordinator makes sure the lecture is made on time, and there is a person
ready to make the lecture, an assitant and a backup. He should also make
sure the lecture is rehersed and timed, and all equipment is ready. Right?
Assistant is the one operating the PC during the lecture. Must be
coordinated with lecturer and must reherse lecture with lecturer at least
once.
0. pre-series lecture in order to interest technionm students in related
courses - 28/10- muli
1. Why Linux - 6-7 people explain why Linux is good for you. 30/10 - orna
what is the purpose of 'lecture 0', if there is this 'lecture 1' too?
what's the difference?
Lecture 0 is the Linux for MATAM students lecture as discussed here.
It's a practical introduction to getting UNIX coursework done in a Linux
environment.
(lecturers: shlomi l, + lecturers needed)
i'll join this one, i guess. ofcourse, i'll hve to be more focused then i
was last time. do we want to keep the same format, btw, or the format has
changed?
Slightly. The lecture will be demonstration based. Each lecturer will
demonstrate a common task being done on Linux. We should have full Hebrew
support and a digital camera, all operating on a Linux laptop.
2. The Installation process. 4/11- orr
3. 6/11
a.Linux Day - adir and orr
b. Basic use of a Linux box (which will be given several times
during the day) - shlomif (lecturers needed!)
4. Basic admin (su -, rpm install, etc.) 11/11- alon
5. Networking 13/11- muli
6. Hebrew (this lecture might be changed, as most moderndistro's are
good). 18/11- alon will define the demands from this lecture, coordinator
needed.
7. developing tools in the Linux environment - 20/11- muli and guy(?)
since muli already has 2 other lectures ('0' and '5'), i guess i could
pick up this one - unless lecture '0' is not realy a lecture?
all slides must be ready untill the end of september.
8. feedback: we need people to shape the feedback forms, so that it
will be
possible to analize them, and so that they will actually tell us what we
need to know. coordinator- orna.
since my feedback forms are the ones 'under the fire' here, i guess i
should step aside and let someone else do them properly this time ;)
I volunteer for the feedback comitee, if needed.
Alon
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Re: [Haifux] Topics for Hebrew lecture (fwd)
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Adir Abraham wrote: Please do surprise me. Is there any efficient way to show a Hebrew (or mixed) word DOC (or RTF) in Linux (and I am not talking about anti-word, as squeezing the ascii characters out of the document)? If there's such a thing, it will be a nice bonus to the lecture. - Download unrtf from http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/unrtf/unrtf-0.18.1.tar.gz - Patch it using http://alon.wox.org/unrtf-heb.patch - Compile Run ...or see the results in (for example) http://alon.wox.org/fcp.html Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :) -- -=[ Random Fortune ]=- No group of professionals meets except to conspire against the public at large. -- Mark Twain -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Haifux] Re: Events responsibilities
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: It's only 10 minutes per person, Shlomi, and most likely (and hopefully) for a brand new audience. There's no need to go too complicated (IMHO). :) Especially if it requires extra preperation time and/or it might need to think about Hey, what did the guy wanted to show us exactly? (from the new audience's point of view, ofcourse). Things I can give: 1. Gimp Pyrotechnics. 2. Designing Static HTML with WebMetaLanguage. 3. Perl CGI. (+MySQL) 4. Perl/Gtk+ (albeit I'll need to spend a lot of time getting ready, because I don't have the knowledge on my fingertips) 5. Bash Power Use. 6. Working with CVS or BitKeeper (probably something that will not interest most newcomers) And perhaps other things I forgot. I'm personally in favour of either #1 or #4 because they are quite GUIish. Regards, Shlomi Fish 2. The Installation process. 4/11 - orr 3. 6/11 a. Linux Day - adir and orr b. Basic use of a Linux box (which will be given several times during the day) - shlomif (lecturers needed!) 4. Basic admin (su -, rpm install, etc.) 11/11- alon 5. Networking 13/11- muli 6. Hebrew (this lecture might be changed, as most modern distro's are good). 18/11- alon will define the demands from this lecture, coordinator needed. 7. developing tools in the Linux environment - 20/11- muli and guy(?) all slides must be ready untill the end of september. 8. feedback: we need people to shape the feedback forms, so that it will be possible to analize them, and so that they will actually tell us what we need to know. coordinator- orna. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He who re-invents the wheel, understands much better how a wheel works. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-53-243438, +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Haifux] Re: Events responsibilities (fwd)
On Wed, Aug 28, 2002 at 07:41:10AM +0300, Orna Agmon wrote: Yesterday we divided most of the responsibilities for lectures and events for w2l. There is a lot of room to fill yourself in and help out. Muli is coordinating the events. For each event, we have/need a coordinator as well as an assistant. 0. pre-series lecture in order to interest technionm students in related courses - 28/10- muli If anyone wants to take this one, I'm not particularly attached to it. Just let me know. 1. Why Linux - 6-7 people explain why Linux is good for you. 30/10 - orna (lecturers: shlomi l, + lecturers needed) If you want to do it, mail me in private. 2. The Installation process. 4/11 - orr 3. 6/11 a. Linux Day - adir and orr b. Basic use of a Linux box (which will be given several times during the day) - shlomif (lecturers needed!) Likewise, mail me in private. 4. Basic admin (su -, rpm install, etc.) 11/11- alon 5. Networking 13/11- muli 6. Hebrew (this lecture might be changed, as most modern distro's are good). 18/11- alon will define the demands from this lecture, coordinator needed. 7. developing tools in the Linux environment - 20/11- muli and guy(?) guy will be doing this one, good. -- calm down, it's *only* ones and zeros. http://syscalltrack.sf.net/ http://vipe.technion.ac.il/~mulix/ msg00056/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[Haifux] Re: Re: Events responsibilities
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Adir Abraham wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: It's only 10 minutes per person, Shlomi, and most likely (and hopefully) for a brand new audience. There's no need to go too complicated (IMHO). :) Especially if it requires extra preperation time and/or it might need to think about Hey, what did the guy wanted to show us exactly? (from the new audience's point of view, ofcourse). So what do you suggest me to give? Regards, Shlomi Fish Things I can give: 1. Gimp Pyrotechnics. 2. Designing Static HTML with WebMetaLanguage. 3. Perl CGI. (+MySQL) 4. Perl/Gtk+ (albeit I'll need to spend a lot of time getting ready, because I don't have the knowledge on my fingertips) 5. Bash Power Use. 6. Working with CVS or BitKeeper (probably something that will not interest most newcomers) And perhaps other things I forgot. I'm personally in favour of either #1 or #4 because they are quite GUIish. Regards, Shlomi Fish 2. The Installation process. 4/11 - orr 3. 6/11 a. Linux Day - adir and orr b. Basic use of a Linux box (which will be given several times during the day) - shlomif (lecturers needed!) 4. Basic admin (su -, rpm install, etc.) 11/11- alon 5. Networking 13/11- muli 6. Hebrew (this lecture might be changed, as most modern distro's are good). 18/11- alon will define the demands from this lecture, coordinator needed. 7. developing tools in the Linux environment - 20/11- muli and guy(?) all slides must be ready untill the end of september. 8. feedback: we need people to shape the feedback forms, so that it will be possible to analize them, and so that they will actually tell us what we need to know. coordinator- orna. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He who re-invents the wheel, understands much better how a wheel works. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Home E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] He who re-invents the wheel, understands much better how a wheel works. -- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://linuxclub.il.eu.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
