Re: [LINK] O/T: Civilization Collapse

2014-04-07 Thread David Boxall
Cheer up,

By some accounts, there'll probably be nobody around to be bothered by 
the collapse: 
http://www.globalresearch.ca/near-term-human-extinction-a-conversation-with-guy-mcpherson/5373909

Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow ...

On 7/04/2014 8:12 PM, Stephen Loosley wrote:



 This recent study, financed by NASA, found that because of financial 
 inequality and environmental problems, the industrial world could suffer “a 
 precipitous collapse” within decades.
 http://www.sesync.org/sites/default/files/resources/motesharrei-rivas-kalnay.pdf

 March 19, 2014
 Abstract
 There are widespread concerns that current trends in resource-use are 
 unsustainable, butpossibilities of overshoot/collapse remain controversial. 
 Collapses have occurred frequently inhistory, often followed by centuries of 
 economic, intellectual, and population decline. Manydiff   erent natural 
 and social phenomena have been invoked to explain specific collapses, but 
 ageneral explanation remains elusive.

 In this paper, we build a human population dynamics model by adding 
 accumulatedwealth and economic inequality to a predator-prey model of humans 
 and nature. The modelstructure, and simulated scenarios that o   er 
 significant implications, are explained. Fourequations describe the 
 evolution of Elites, Commoners, Nature, and Wealth. The modelshows Economic 
 Stratication or Ecological Strain can independently lead to collapse, 
 inagreement with the historical record.

 The measure Carrying Capacity is developed and its estimation is shown to 
 be a practical means for early detection of a collapse. Mechanisms leading to 
 two types of collapses arediscussed.

 The new dynamics of this model can also reproduce the irreversible collapses 
 foundin history.

 Collapse can be avoided, and population can reach a steady state at 
 maximumcarrying capacity if the rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a 
 sustainable level and ifresources are distributed equitably.

 Summary

 Collapses of even advanced civilizations have occurred many times in the past 
 five thousand years, and they were frequently followed by centuries of 
 population and cultural decline and economic regression. Although many di 
   fferent causes have been o  ffered to explain individual collapses, it 
 is still necessary to develop a more general explanation. In this paper we 
 attempt to build a mathematical model to explore the essential dynamics of 
 interaction between population and natural resources ...


 In sum, the results of our experiments indicate that either one of the two 
 features apparent in historical societal collapses (over-exploitation of 
 natural resources and strong economic stratication) can independently result 
 in a complete collapse. Given economic stratication, collapse is very 
 difficult to avoid and requires major policy changes, including major 
 reductions in inequality and population growth rates. Even in the absence of 
 economic stratication, collapse can still occur if depletion per capita is 
 too high. However, collapse can be avoidedand population can reach 
 equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a 
 sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable 
 fashion. In the upcoming generations of HANDY, we plan to develop several 
 extensions ...
   
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Re: [LINK] O/T: Civilization Collapse

2014-04-07 Thread jore
A very old topic. Three great things come to mind in response:

1) http://thoughtmaybe.com/arithmetic-population-and-energy/ (1992)
2) http://thoughtmaybe.com/derrick-jensen-endgame/ (2006)
3) http://thoughtmaybe.com/can-this-current-way-of-life-continue/ (2012)

Enjoy,
Jore


On 7/04/2014 8:12 PM, Stephen Loosley wrote:


 This recent study, financed by NASA, found that because of financial 
 inequality and environmental problems, the industrial world could suffer a 
 precipitous collapse within decades.
 http://www.sesync.org/sites/default/files/resources/motesharrei-rivas-kalnay.pdf

 March 19, 2014
 Abstract
 There are widespread concerns that current trends in resource-use are 
 unsustainable, butpossibilities of overshoot/collapse remain controversial. 
 Collapses have occurred frequently inhistory, often followed by centuries of 
 economic, intellectual, and population decline. Manydiff   erent natural 
 and social phenomena have been invoked to explain specific collapses, but 
 ageneral explanation remains elusive.

 In this paper, we build a human population dynamics model by adding 
 accumulatedwealth and economic inequality to a predator-prey model of humans 
 and nature. The modelstructure, and simulated scenarios that o   er 
 significant implications, are explained. Fourequations describe the 
 evolution of Elites, Commoners, Nature, and Wealth. The modelshows Economic 
 Stratication or Ecological Strain can independently lead to collapse, 
 inagreement with the historical record.

 The measure Carrying Capacity is developed and its estimation is shown to 
 be a practical means for early detection of a collapse. Mechanisms leading to 
 two types of collapses arediscussed. 

 The new dynamics of this model can also reproduce the irreversible collapses 
 foundin history. 

 Collapse can be avoided, and population can reach a steady state at 
 maximumcarrying capacity if the rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a 
 sustainable level and ifresources are distributed equitably.

 Summary

 Collapses of even advanced civilizations have occurred many times in the past 
 five thousand years, and they were frequently followed by centuries of 
 population and cultural decline and economic regression. Although many di 
   fferent causes have been o  ffered to explain individual collapses, it 
 is still necessary to develop a more general explanation. In this paper we 
 attempt to build a mathematical model to explore the essential dynamics of 
 interaction between population and natural resources ...


 In sum, the results of our experiments indicate that either one of the two 
 features apparent in historical societal collapses (over-exploitation of 
 natural resources and strong economic stratication) can independently result 
 in a complete collapse. Given economic stratication, collapse is very 
 difficult to avoid and requires major policy changes, including major 
 reductions in inequality and population growth rates. Even in the absence of 
 economic stratication, collapse can still occur if depletion per capita is 
 too high. However, collapse can be avoidedand population can reach 
 equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a 
 sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable 
 fashion. In the upcoming generations of HANDY, we plan to develop several 
 extensions ...
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Re: [LINK] O/T: Civilization Collapse

2014-04-07 Thread Ambrose Andrews
And a specific critique:

http://climateandcapitalism.com/2014/03/31/nasa-collapse-study/

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