Re: [linux] Slack Channel
On 11/9/19 6:48 PM, Jeff Green wrote: > Sorry, didn't meant to upset people. I don't think anyone was upset. Some of us (AKA I) tend to be a little passionate sometimes. :) > In IBM DevOps, we use slack as a valuable tool to not just send > emoticons but plug into a host of collaborative tools to share ideas, > help one another via group web conferencing, screen sharing and much > much more. Yeah, if you need that, sure, a tool like that is fine (we use Zoom where I work for much the same thing.) But if you *only* need chat, I don't think using closed protocols is a good thing. I also get really annoyed at the restrictions of tools like Slack and Zoom. There are a host of integrations that I've trivially done with IRC that are impossible with those tools. To give you one example, I want to be marked away when I lock my screen and marked back when I unlock it. That was a few lines of scripting in my IRC client, but impossible (AFAIK) in Slack or Zoom. There are tons of libraries in your favourite scripting language that let you write useful IRC bots, but the commercial counterparts' APIs are much more restrictive, in my experience. > Figured a tool like slack might spark up some buzz in the > group as there are many Dev's who use Linux in mixed environments for > many different purposes, not just a single o/s, all open environment. I believe all major OSes have IRC clients, no? Worst-case, you use a web-based IRC portal. > Some days I do wish our world was like that though, it would certainly > make things easier in some ways. Wishing is one thing; doing is the only way to effect change! :) Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
Sorry, didn't meant to upset people. I'm new and was planning on attending meetings and wondered if there was something other that the existing website. In IBM DevOps, we use slack as a valuable tool to not just send emoticons but plug into a host of collaborative tools to share ideas, help one another via group web conferencing, screen sharing and much much more. Figured a tool like slack might spark up some buzz in the group as there are many Dev's who use Linux in mixed environments for many different purposes, not just a single o/s, all open environment. Some days I do wish our world was like that though, it would certainly make things easier in some ways. Thanks for the IRC info. Cheers. Jeff On 2019-11-09 9:38 a.m., Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 2019-11-09 08:52, Dianne Skoll wrote: >> On 11/9/19 6:10 AM, Jeff Green wrote: >>> Is there a Slack Channel for the group? If not, would there be interest >>> in making one? >> There is an IRC channel: #oclug on OFTC.NET >> >> https://webchat.oftc.net/?nick=WHATEVER=%23oclug=d4 > There have been over a dozen people on that channel for at least 17 > years. > >> I'm now going to go on a rant. :) > I think I can hear what is coming and am guessing I fully agree. I was > going to just ignore the original suggestion of slack as off-topic, but > since someone else has weighed in, I'll jump in too now. > >> I would not be interested in a Slack channel. IRC is open-source with >> an open protocol; Slack is closed-source with a closed protocol. I >> don't think OCLUG should be in the business of promoting closed source >> or closed protocols. > Absolutely 100% agree. Same reason I don't have any use for other > corporate walled gardens such as Skype, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, > etc... I have dabbled a tiny bit in Twitter, but Mastodon is an open > alternative if I felt the need to communicate with 140 character > limits. The only one I've used with any frequency is LinkedIn, which > has now been acquired by Microsoft. > >> Slack has discontinued options for using open protocols. >> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/09/slack_cuts_ties_to_irc_and_xmpp/ >> >> You can't log in to Slack as more than one user at a time. This is >> particularly annoying if you have a work Slack channel and also want >> personal Slack channels open at the same time. This is not an issue with >> IRC clients. >> >> I mean, sure, you can't easily send an animated GIF of a cat chasing a laser >> pointer over IRC, but to me the lack of bullshit like that is a good thing! > However, this is possible with XMPP, and while I do like the simple > nature of text, I'd be willing to entertain some possibility to enable > this in an open way. G+ did use XMPP, but they had extended it and > eventually killed it. > >> End rant. > rant++ > >> Regards, >> >> Dianne. > slainte mhath, RGB > > -- > Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ > > -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer > bike! > Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% > Vote! -- > _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
There are slack lists for oclug and its board. We run some Board meetings on Slack and it has been quite easy to use. Earlier we were on IRC, which I would rate AT THE TIME as being much less convenient. The "at the time" may be important, as I've not tried it for a few years with a more modern interface app. This is most likely an issue of the interface vs. underlying protocol. For Board meetings it's useful to have a clean interface that lets us see the discussion that is happening, and also a log for the Secretary to use to build minutes. But here I'm looking only at the "Board Meeting" issue, which is a short term, several people at once sort of thing. For general discussion, I'm not sure Slack is useful or appropriate. JN On 2019-11-09 11:53 a.m., Jean-Francois Messier wrote: > Actually, I checked the wrong name, and they are in USA. And this is > something that Linux-Gatineau could not use. Too > bad... > > On 2019-11-09 10:55 a.m., Dianne Skoll wrote: >> On 11/9/19 10:43 AM, Rick Leir wrote: >> >>> How do you feel about groups.io https://groups.io/ >> I'd never heard of it until now. It seems OK technically, though it's >> still not open. I am on another non-technical mailing list that's >> currently on Yahoo Groups (blech...) and so I might suggest they look >> at migrating to groups.io assuming the free tier meets their needs (they're >> a non-profit with no money to spare.) >> >> Regards, >> >> Dianne. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >> To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >> To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org >> > > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org > To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org > To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org > To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
Actually, I checked the wrong name, and they are in USA. And this is something that Linux-Gatineau could not use. Too bad... On 2019-11-09 10:55 a.m., Dianne Skoll wrote: On 11/9/19 10:43 AM, Rick Leir wrote: How do you feel about groups.io https://groups.io/ I'd never heard of it until now. It seems OK technically, though it's still not open. I am on another non-technical mailing list that's currently on Yahoo Groups (blech...) and so I might suggest they look at migrating to groups.io assuming the free tier meets their needs (they're a non-profit with no money to spare.) Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
I see that the IP for group.io is in Germany. On 2019-11-09 10:55 a.m., Dianne Skoll wrote: On 11/9/19 10:43 AM, Rick Leir wrote: How do you feel about groups.io https://groups.io/ I'd never heard of it until now. It seems OK technically, though it's still not open. I am on another non-technical mailing list that's currently on Yahoo Groups (blech...) and so I might suggest they look at migrating to groups.io assuming the free tier meets their needs (they're a non-profit with no money to spare.) Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
On 11/9/19 10:43 AM, Rick Leir wrote: > How do you feel about groups.io https://groups.io/ I'd never heard of it until now. It seems OK technically, though it's still not open. I am on another non-technical mailing list that's currently on Yahoo Groups (blech...) and so I might suggest they look at migrating to groups.io assuming the free tier meets their needs (they're a non-profit with no money to spare.) Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
Diane I agree, though I like the Ottawa JavaScript group's slack channel. How do you feel about groups.io https://groups.io/ ? Cheers -- Rick On November 9, 2019 8:52:15 AM EST, Dianne Skoll wrote: >On 11/9/19 6:10 AM, Jeff Green wrote: > >> Is there a Slack Channel for the group? If not, would there be >interest >> in making one? > >There is an IRC channel: #oclug on OFTC.NET > >https://webchat.oftc.net/?nick=WHATEVER=%23oclug=d4 > >I'm now going to go on a rant. :) > >I would not be interested in a Slack channel. IRC is open-source with >an open protocol; Slack is closed-source with a closed protocol. I >don't think OCLUG should be in the business of promoting closed source >or closed protocols. > >Slack has discontinued options for using open protocols. >https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/09/slack_cuts_ties_to_irc_and_xmpp/ > >You can't log in to Slack as more than one user at a time. This is >particularly annoying if you have a work Slack channel and also want >personal Slack channels open at the same time. This is not an issue >with >IRC clients. > >I mean, sure, you can't easily send an animated GIF of a cat chasing a >laser >pointer over IRC, but to me the lack of bullshit like that is a good >thing! > >End rant. > >Regards, > >Dianne. > >To unsubscribe send a blank message to >linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org >To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org >To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
Reply-To: (was Re: [linux] Slack Channel)
On 11/9/19 10:23 AM, Alan McKay wrote: > The only thing really wrong with this list as a discussion forum is > that it is reply-to-originator not reply-to-list. +1. That drives me nuts. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
The only thing really wrong with this list as a discussion forum is that it is reply-to-originator not reply-to-list. I know that's what the RFC suggests but it is not the best setting for a discussion forum. Of course if this is only meant to be a means of disseminating information about upcoming events then reply-to-originator would be the best setting, and we'd need a separate list for discussion. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
On 2019-11-09 08:52, Dianne Skoll wrote: > On 11/9/19 6:10 AM, Jeff Green wrote: > > Is there a Slack Channel for the group? If not, would there be interest > > in making one? > > There is an IRC channel: #oclug on OFTC.NET > > https://webchat.oftc.net/?nick=WHATEVER=%23oclug=d4 There have been over a dozen people on that channel for at least 17 years. > I'm now going to go on a rant. :) I think I can hear what is coming and am guessing I fully agree. I was going to just ignore the original suggestion of slack as off-topic, but since someone else has weighed in, I'll jump in too now. > I would not be interested in a Slack channel. IRC is open-source with > an open protocol; Slack is closed-source with a closed protocol. I > don't think OCLUG should be in the business of promoting closed source > or closed protocols. Absolutely 100% agree. Same reason I don't have any use for other corporate walled gardens such as Skype, Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, etc... I have dabbled a tiny bit in Twitter, but Mastodon is an open alternative if I felt the need to communicate with 140 character limits. The only one I've used with any frequency is LinkedIn, which has now been acquired by Microsoft. > Slack has discontinued options for using open protocols. > https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/09/slack_cuts_ties_to_irc_and_xmpp/ > > You can't log in to Slack as more than one user at a time. This is > particularly annoying if you have a work Slack channel and also want > personal Slack channels open at the same time. This is not an issue with > IRC clients. > > I mean, sure, you can't easily send an animated GIF of a cat chasing a laser > pointer over IRC, but to me the lack of bullshit like that is a good thing! However, this is possible with XMPP, and while I do like the simple nature of text, I'd be willing to entertain some possibility to enable this in an open way. G+ did use XMPP, but they had extended it and eventually killed it. > End rant. rant++ > Regards, > > Dianne. slainte mhath, RGB -- Richard Guy Briggs -- ~\-- ~\ -- \___ o \@ @Ride yer bike! Ottawa, ON, CANADA -- Lo_>__M__\\/\%__\\/\% Vote! -- _GTVS6#790__(*)__(*)(*)(*)_ To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
Speaking of open protocols what's wrong with email? Mailing lists work ... just fine To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
Re: [linux] Slack Channel
On 11/9/19 6:10 AM, Jeff Green wrote: > Is there a Slack Channel for the group? If not, would there be interest > in making one? There is an IRC channel: #oclug on OFTC.NET https://webchat.oftc.net/?nick=WHATEVER=%23oclug=d4 I'm now going to go on a rant. :) I would not be interested in a Slack channel. IRC is open-source with an open protocol; Slack is closed-source with a closed protocol. I don't think OCLUG should be in the business of promoting closed source or closed protocols. Slack has discontinued options for using open protocols. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/09/slack_cuts_ties_to_irc_and_xmpp/ You can't log in to Slack as more than one user at a time. This is particularly annoying if you have a work Slack channel and also want personal Slack channels open at the same time. This is not an issue with IRC clients. I mean, sure, you can't easily send an animated GIF of a cat chasing a laser pointer over IRC, but to me the lack of bullshit like that is a good thing! End rant. Regards, Dianne. To unsubscribe send a blank message to linux+unsubscr...@linux-ottawa.org To get help send a blank message to linux+h...@linux-ottawa.org To visit the archives: https://lists.linux-ottawa.org
