[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG meeting

[Bill Strosberg]

All:

I haven't been able to attend meetings for some years - but I remain 
interested in maintaining active participation in OCLUG.  I vote by 
assigning proxy to a board member that represents my positions.


It may be worthwhile to post a summary of the annual meeting - or a link 
that allows people like me to follow things without hunting through the 
web site.


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Membership

[J C Nash]

See in line as answers to Brenda.

JN

On 2017-12-11 10:23 PM, Brenda J. Butler wrote:
> 
> 
> This response is a bit late, but since no one else seems
> to have publicly answered:
> 
Scott and I both answered off-list. Should perhaps have put a msg
that we did so on the list.

> 
> On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 02:56:09PM +, Robert Venczel wrote:
> 
>> My name is Robert Venczel and I'm the founder of a local
>> cybersecurity startup. I would like to become a member of OCLUG and
>> have my email address added to your mailing list.
> 
> You can sign up yourself, see the end of the email.
> It's a mailman mailing list.
> 
> We're not a super formal organization - we only worry about
> membership when we have to hold a legal vote.
> 
> Did we ever dissolve the corporation?  It was under discussion.

No. Reasons were presented that it was not necessary. The +/-
for keeping it were concerned reporting (-) and not having to
dispose of monies properly (+).

> 
> "Members" are just people who show up to the meetings, and/or
> participate on the mailing list.
> 
> Were you at the meeting last week?  I had to get home right
> after the meeting so didn't talk to everyone.
> 
> Meetings are generally the first Thursday of the month.
> NOTE however that at the beginning of the semester (like
> in January) the meeting might be the second Thursday of
> the month because the school cannot assign rooms to
> non-school activities before they figure out their semester
> schedule.  So for the January meeting exact time and place,
> stay tuned.
> 
>> Also, we need some help with the image we use for our Linux
>> Debianserver (see www.catchwire.net). Could you please recommend
>> someone who has both Linux and networking experience? If the person
>> also have cybersecurity expertise even better, but that is not
>> mandatory.
> 
> I will let the people who know speak for themselves.  But, you
> could get some results by asking your actual question right in
> the list.  There is surprising depth of knowledge among the
> readers here and when they answer questions like this we all
> learn something.
> 
>> Thank you for your help!
> 
> Thanks for your interest!
> 
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Robert Venczel
>> WAW Technologies Inc. (CatchWire)
>> Mobile: 613-406-2484
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Membership

[Brenda J. Butler]

This response is a bit late, but since no one else seems
to have publicly answered:


On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 02:56:09PM +, Robert Venczel wrote:

> My name is Robert Venczel and I'm the founder of a local
> cybersecurity startup. I would like to become a member of OCLUG and
> have my email address added to your mailing list.

You can sign up yourself, see the end of the email.
It's a mailman mailing list.

We're not a super formal organization - we only worry about
membership when we have to hold a legal vote.

Did we ever dissolve the corporation?  It was under discussion.

"Members" are just people who show up to the meetings, and/or
participate on the mailing list.

Were you at the meeting last week?  I had to get home right
after the meeting so didn't talk to everyone.

Meetings are generally the first Thursday of the month.
NOTE however that at the beginning of the semester (like
in January) the meeting might be the second Thursday of
the month because the school cannot assign rooms to
non-school activities before they figure out their semester
schedule.  So for the January meeting exact time and place,
stay tuned.

> Also, we need some help with the image we use for our Linux
> Debianserver (see www.catchwire.net). Could you please recommend
> someone who has both Linux and networking experience? If the person
> also have cybersecurity expertise even better, but that is not
> mandatory.

I will let the people who know speak for themselves.  But, you
could get some results by asking your actual question right in
the list.  There is surprising depth of knowledge among the
readers here and when they answer questions like this we all
learn something.

> Thank you for your help!

Thanks for your interest!

> Best regards,
> 
> Robert Venczel
> WAW Technologies Inc. (CatchWire)
> Mobile: 613-406-2484
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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Membership

[Robert Venczel]

Good morning,

My name is Robert Venczel and I'm the founder of a local cybersecurity startup. 
I would like to become a member of OCLUG and have my email address added to 
your mailing list.

Also, we need some help with the image we use for our Linux Debian server (see 
www.catchwire.net). Could you please recommend someone who has both Linux and 
networking experience? If the person also have cybersecurity expertise even 
better, but that is not mandatory.

Thank you for your help!


Best regards,

Robert Venczel
WAW Technologies Inc. (CatchWire)
Mobile: 613-406-2484
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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG "distro" -- or working out a recipe for an Arch-based live USB

[J C Nash]

For those interested, I'm hosting OCLUG folk interested in learning how to 
build a usable
liveUSB based on Arch. This will be a mutual help session -- I've managed to 
build live
CD and USB before, but mostly following recipes without totally understanding 
them.

Goals: create documentation and recipe for

- live USB which will boot legacy and EFI, 32 and 64 bit (we have a very 
minimal example)
- adding functionality -- remastering
- loading to iso/liveUSB

When: Sat March 4 from 2 p.m.
Where: 18 Spyglass Ridge, Stittsville
   if you get lost, phone is 613 831 1656

We could set up a chat session for those who are interested but can't 
physically come.

Let me know if you are interested in coming, participating on chat, or want to 
keep in
touch on the topic, but cannot be involved this time.

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG

[Scott Murphy]

We certainly can. We have a generic address for the board members that is kept 
up to date.

> On Nov 30, 2016, at 11:50 AM, J C Nash  wrote:
> 
> There has been some talk about cleaning up the wiki, and this is one aspect 
> of that.
> 
> Shall we put on the agenda for tomorrow night?
> 
> JN
> 
> On 16-11-30 10:44 AM, Jeff Dubois wrote:
>> Is there a contact phone number for one of the Board members of OCLUG?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps John?  Or an email address where someone could be contacted
>> directly?
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG

[J C Nash]

There has been some talk about cleaning up the wiki, and this is one aspect of 
that.

Shall we put on the agenda for tomorrow night?

JN

On 16-11-30 10:44 AM, Jeff Dubois wrote:
> Is there a contact phone number for one of the Board members of OCLUG?
> 
>  
> 
> Perhaps John?  Or an email address where someone could be contacted
> directly?
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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG

[Jeff Dubois]

Is there a contact phone number for one of the Board members of OCLUG?

 

Perhaps John?  Or an email address where someone could be contacted
directly?

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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG liveUSB

[J C Nash]

At the last OCLUG meeting I presented a possible club project. After
some discussion by phone and email, here is the revised proposal,
hopefully pared down to essentials but still widely useful.

OCLUG liveUSB

Statement of goals

- a liveUSB that can be booted on a very wide array of hardware
   -- relatively compact, but modern kernel and related software
   -- possibility of adding content in a writeable area. This could
  be documents or music files. Software may need remastering to
  add.

- convenient remastering

- use cases:
   -- "appliances" such as DanceBox, specialized access to NAS etc.
   -- modest test tool for hardware
   -- mechanism to present training and teaching. I'm thinking of
 examples like training for R where one needs some software and
 data, or the GIMP tutorial OCLUG ran a few years ago, the
 dance wiki ottawaenglishdance.org runs, or Robert Day's courses.

- generate interest in Linux/OCLUG etc. by using this as a promotional
 and educational effort

- enough documentation that others could reproduce the process. A brief
  guide to customization would add value.

Status:

- Scott and I used archlinux-2016.06.01-dual.iso, and I have quickly
  checked that I can dd this to a USB and boot on an EFI and a non-EFI
  laptop, even on a non-pae 32bit EEE netbook. This "system" boots to
  a command line. There is no window manager or desktop, so quite a
  bit of work to be done to make it attractive to general users.

- So far I do not have a clean and simple approach for remastering
  a running version of this system to allow for customization.

- I re-built my 2012 DanceBox liveUSB (32 bit Crunch Bang base) using
  Bunsenlabs Hydrogen 64 bit. This is a successor to Crunch Bang, and
  the Crunchmaster remastering script was a huge help. I created a
  second VFAT partition on the USB to allow Windows users to copy mp3
  and other music files there. The USB boots into Thunar pointing to
  the music directory in this partition. There is a customized
  desktop with keyboard shortcuts. Users can select music by
  means of the arrow keys and Enter to play. However, only boots
  on legacy 64bit systems.


Next?:

- If there is interest, I suggest
  -- a list of interested people for low-volume email exchange
  -- one or two face-time sessions. I'll volunteer my dance space. Have
large screen and reasonable internet.
  -- a section of the wiki to record what we do.

Suggested time frame is about 6 months, but low level of effort.

Please get in touch with me if interested.

Many thanks to Alex, Dmitriy, Scott and Woody for comments and ideas.

 John Nash, 2016-11-25  nas...@uottawa.ca

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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG-Tech] a couple (simple?) systemd questions

[Rick Leir]

> i really should know this stuff, but ...

> 1) is there a way to make sure a service is the *last* service invoked
when going to multi-user mode?

Systemd is designed to run service inits in parallel wherever there is no 
prerequisite. 

If you reboot at the end of inits, .. loop! What are you trying to do?


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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM and electons at the April meeting

[Rob Echlin]

Hi
This is an official announcement that OCLUG will have its AGM and Board 
elections at the April meeting.
That will be on April 4.

Rob


 
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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG meetings move to Shopify!

[Rob Echlin]

Hi
At the board meeting at LITW, July 15, the board voted to move the meetings to 
a new location, Shopify.
We will at least go there for the August and September meetings and then 
probably continue there.

Shopify is in the Market area, right downtown, at 126 York Street, half a block 
east of Dalhousie and the Byward Market.

The entrance in use for our meetings is at the back of the building, next to 
the 'pay' parking lot, and not far from the Rideau Centre Transit Station.
I think parking is $5 for the evening, and there may be free on-street parking 
not too far away, but I am not sure about that.


We will continue to meet on the first Thursday of the month at 7pm.
However, to accommodate speakers, we may move to the Aug 9, this time only.

More info to follow, when we arrange a speaker.

Thanks,
Rob

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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - A vision for today

[Rob Echlin]

Hi

As OCLUG discusses the future, I would like you to also consider what we do, 
what our Vision is.


Vision – a  plan or direction for OCLUG
        * Bring together great people and great presenters, from all over the 
Linux-related industry in Ottawa
    * Reach out to other people and groups in Ottawa
    * More participative events, hands on

What would that vision lead us to do?
* Exciting events
        * That could be weekend events or monthly evening events
    * Industry related events like the “Getting your next Gig” meeting
    * Technical presentations and events

    * Speakers from all over: companies, other user groups, college and 
universities
* Interaction with the community
        * Algonquin, U of O, Carleton, maybe even high schools
        * their Comp Sci clubs, professors, departments
    * Share speakers in both directions, participate in each others events
* Businesses 
        * talking about Linux and OCLUG with their employees – forwarding our 
announcements? Put up posters?
        * Funding big events, sponsorships
* Work with other clubs in Ottawa
        * Present at other clubs
    * Share costs of bringing in speakers

    * Tell them about our meetings, speakers, events

    * Invite speakers from other clubs to repeat at our meetings
* Software industry user group extravaganza
    * Propose we do this next September
* Outside events
    * Symposiums and other events for knowledgeable users
    * We already support these. Continue! Talk about it with other user 
groups!
* Reach out to new users 
        * Leavitt Memorial Seminars 
    * C4C
    * John Nash has other ideas and is willing to help organize this
* Games
    * My son won't let me forget that he really enjoyed the last Game Day!
    * More ideas! Please!


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, John C Nash wrote:

 Location of meetings is always an issue for OCLUG. I personally
 would prefer more central choice. If folk have ideas, perhaps they
 could research them and either post or have ready for AGM
 discussion.

  finally digging out from under some work so i'll throw in my $0.02.
from a purely selfish point of view, i'd like to try something central
since i live in the byward market area and i can pretty much walk to
anything downtown.  however, i'm not proposing moving OCLUG so much as
i'm trying to figure out how to *expand* OCLUG into downtown to
perhaps appeal to a different market.

  i've been chatting with ian graham at the code factory and he's keen
on trying to start something with me there, we're just not sure
*what*.  and here's where i'm going to be blatantly selfish again.

  a good part of my interest in trying to get something going downtown
is to market my training, which means trying to appeal to a more
focused demographic.  i'd like to try organizing meetings at TCF for
*immediately* after working hours, to attract attendees just getting
off work who would simply go straight over to TCF, rather than going
home and getting comfortable, then grappling with whether they want to
go out again, especially if the weather is unpleasant.

  and given my interest, the people i'd be trying to attract would be,
say, IT professionals, mid-level managers, etc -- not to put too fine
a point on it, but people who might be potential students for courses
in the future.  and that would require being very selective about the
possible subjects for presentations.

  if that's the target audience, then i'd almost certainly avoid the
truly geeky topics for presentations.  i'd want to concentrate more
on (gasp! horrors!) the *business*-oriented aspects of linux, say, an
introduction to virtualbox and how to set it up, that sort of thing.

  i don't want to get too carried away here, i think you get my point.
if you work downtown, would this sort of thing appeal to you?  the
option to go to a linux-related presentation right from work, with
perhaps food and drink so that you don't starve. :-)  i'm just trying
to figure out what would most appeal to the downtown crowd.

rday

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Andrew Plumb]

I'll second Richard's suggestion to approach Arts Court/Art Engine in that case.

- Parking at the Rideau Centre is $5 flat rate after 6pm (it's where I
park for attending ModLab gatherings; I live in Barrhaven)
- For presenters lugging gear there are usually one or two spaces at
Arts Court that can be reserved ahead of time.
- For smaller gatherings, the ArtEngine M70 Lab has a built-in projector
- Art Engine members have access to a selection of A/V gear for
sign-out/off-site use.
- For larger gatherings like next week's Pecha Kucha
(http://www.pecha-kucha.org/night/ottawa/4) there's a large A/V
equipped theatre space.
- You'll get tossed closer to 10:30pm-11pm unless special arrangements
are made. ;-)

Andrew.

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 10:50 PM, John C Nash nas...@uottawa.ca wrote:
 Complaints about parking and about not being able to access until 7 (so delay 
 setting up),
 no projector (OCLUG doesn't have one of their own), and then being tossed at 
 8:45.

 JN


 On 03/23/2012 04:51 PM, David O'Neill wrote:

 On Mar 23, 2012 11:18 AM, Brenda J. Butler b...@sourcerer.ca 
 mailto:b...@sourcerer.ca
 wrote:

 My opinion re: which evening:  oclug was tolerating the changing evenings 
 because the
 venue is 1) free 2) good (with projector, large rooms, on transitway, etc). 
  However
 it had the extra benefit that people with unchanging commitments on 
 Tuesdays or
 Thursdays could make it out to some meetings.  I agree that changing the 
 day every
 semester is too much (not sure we ever did that), but changing once a year 
 is ok.

 What about the main branch of the Ottawa Public Library?  I recall we left 
 that space due
 to the offer of free space elsewhere, but I don't recall it being that 
 expensive.

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Mike]

On Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:32:08 AM Bill Strosberg wrote:
 
 Just a thought.  Certainly would be far more eco-friendly than driving
 my fossil fuel dinosaur belching it's planet killing crap.  Although I
 certainly would miss the Beer Sig!

I'm sure we could find a designated drinker for those who are attending via 
the web. 





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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Ian Ward]

Great discussion so far.  Here's my 2 cents:

I haven't been out to meetings for some time in part because of the
meeting location.

As John said, booking a new location is lots of work.  When I served
on the board I tried and failed to find a good alternate venue.  Maybe
it's worth revisiting the Code Factory as an option.  At the time
$5/head was too expensive but if the group is smaller it might be
fine.  We could suggest a $5 donation to cover the meeting room
expense.

I don't feel that helping the general public discover Linux is a
significant concern.  People that are considerign coming to a meeting
will have already decided they are interested in Linux and want to
know more.  Even when those meetings are too technical for everyone to
follow everything, it's still interesting to see cool things being
done successfully with Linux.

Being friendlier to newcomers is important though.  Maybe we could
explicitly invite people that are new and/or had trouble following the
discussion to a table at the beer sig to answer questions and do
introductions.  I'm sure lots of us would be willing to be at that
table.

I think the board serves a real, useful purpose.  There's work to do
that won't just happen organically, like organizing speakers, venues
and planning activities.  Maybe if we can't find enough people to run
reducing the number of seats makes sense.

I recorded the slides and audio for a couple of Bart's talks a few
years back.  It worked well but it's not something I have time for
right now.  It also needs set-up (running vnc) on the computer doing
the presentation.  Cleaning up the audio afterwards is also big job,
but makes questions from the audience much clearer.

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Brenda J. Butler]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 01:43:47PM -0400, John C Nash wrote:
 
 Location of meetings is always an issue for OCLUG. I personally would prefer 
 more central
 choice. If folk have ideas, perhaps they could research them and either post 
 or have ready
 for AGM discussion. A bit of history:
 
- Lees Avenue -- good bus, some parking (?? how good), price (??), 
 facilities (?? I
 don't know whether we had net there)
 
- U of O Senate room -- central, good bus, lousy parking, free, but we 
 could not book
  much in advance and were subject to being bumped.
 
- Algonquin -- good bus, not central, good parking, free, but some 
 troubles with
 conflicts with classes. There is now Royal Oak choice instead of Chances R

- Code Factory - http://thecodefactory.ca/
  Ian Graham  613.321.3831
  He is open to having oclug meetings in his space.
  246 Queen St. near Kent
  excellent location very close to transitway downtown.


My opinion re: which evening:  oclug was tolerating the changing evenings 
because the
venue is 1) free 2) good (with projector, large rooms, on transitway, etc).  
However
it had the extra benefit that people with unchanging commitments on Tuesdays or
Thursdays could make it out to some meetings.  I agree that changing the day 
every
semester is too much (not sure we ever did that), but changing once a year is 
ok.

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Jon]

On 21-Mar-12 3:23 PM, Bill Strosberg wrote:
 I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from
 the Lees Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not
 bother.  Subsequent moves westward were just as bad for me.  There have
 been many meeting topics that were interesting, but not enough to
 commute in from the far east end where I live.  No matter who is happy,
 not everyone will be.

Moving meetings back east-ward would cause headaches for folks in the 
west end.  The Algonquin location is a good one - right on the 
transitway.  Close to 417.  What's not to like, other than a few extra 
minutes en route?

 People's value of knowledge is directly proportional to the amount of
 pain it engenders in it's acquisition.

True.  If it's hard to make do what you want, then it's probably not 
very good.  If the designers put that little thought and effort into the 
interface, one must wonder about the quality of the underlying code.

  From that perspective, most new
 people today just don't value Linux as much as us elder statesmen.  I
 gave up long ago trying to explain why Linux is a great choice for many
 real tasks.  If people are foolish enough to pay a lot more, get a lot
 less and then depend on companies that make them listen to endlessly
 looping interactive telephone queues in call centers in Asia, that is
 their problem.  Perhaps North America's infatuation with avoiding actual
 critical thought in business decisions is part of the reason why their
 kid's better start learning Mandarin to converse with their new
 overlords.
Learning Linux isn't going to change the fact that our critical 
infrastructure is being sold off to our chinese overlords.  Examine the 
track records of current and past Liberal and Conservative governments 
if you want to complain about the impending buyout.  Greed in the name 
of shareholder value, speculators and a public interested only in the 
lowest price, quality be damned, are the problems.  I recently bought a 
BBQ.  Primary criteria (other than it being a reasonably good unit) was: 
Not Made in China.  I prefer to keep jobs on this side of the ditch.

 What is a corporate license of Microsoft
 Office from 2001 worth today?  Nothing.
What is a linux disk from 2001 worth?  Or a 2001 Dodge Caravan?  You got 
it, nothing.

 If the same license acquisition
 value (mulitplied by desktops in service) had been invested in IT
 people, those few IT people could support all the desktops using
 LibreOffice (or whatever the flavour de jour) for a fraction of the
 ongoing expense.  Stupid, plain and simple.

Those IT people would have moved on in late 2001 or 2002, maybe 2003 
when the company went bankrupt and was sold (to chinese investors).  
Further, those IT people would have been tearing their hair out trying 
to get those documents printed (at all, let alone with any form of 
pretty - and reliably reproduceable - formatting).  Yes, you pay for MS 
Office, but OTOH, you truly do get what you pay for in the alternatives.

Now, I'm not gonna say that the alternatives are better... IMO, all OS's 
are flawed.  Some just work better for some tasks and do more poorly at 
others.  As professionals, we need to put personal propaganda aside and 
pick the best tool for the task at hand.  I stopped preaching years ago 
- noone takes evangelists seriously (and all OS's have made significant 
improvements over the last few years, anyway) and we all just want to 
get our tasks done, have a couple pints and spend time with our families.

If OCLUG does die out (which will be unfortunate), just do not transfer 
any assets to groups in TO (hey, gotta keep the inter-city rivalry 
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:28:26AM -0400, Jon wrote:
 On 21-Mar-12 3:23 PM, Bill Strosberg wrote:
  I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from
  the Lees Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not
  bother.  Subsequent moves westward were just as bad for me.  There have
  been many meeting topics that were interesting, but not enough to
  commute in from the far east end where I live.  No matter who is happy,
  not everyone will be.
 
 Moving meetings back east-ward would cause headaches for folks in the 
 west end.  The Algonquin location is a good one - right on the 
 transitway.  Close to 417.  What's not to like, other than a few extra 
 minutes en route?

a few extra minutes  In my case, 120 minutes.  What's your time worth?
Where is the centroid of this region's population?  In particular, where
is the centroid of interested persons without private motor
transportation?


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Jeffrey Taylor]

Then you alienate people in the east end and centretown. Travelling to
Algonquin from Gatineau is going to take me ~1 hour, each way, IF I catch
my connections. Heading downtown is 25 minutes at most. That's what not to
like.

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jon je_oc...@kronos.honk.org wrote:

 On 21-Mar-12 3:23 PM, Bill Strosberg wrote:
  I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from
  the Lees Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not
  bother.  Subsequent moves westward were just as bad for me.  There have
  been many meeting topics that were interesting, but not enough to
  commute in from the far east end where I live.  No matter who is happy,
  not everyone will be.

 Moving meetings back east-ward would cause headaches for folks in the
 west end.  The Algonquin location is a good one - right on the
 transitway.  Close to 417.  What's not to like, other than a few extra
 minutes en route?

  People's value of knowledge is directly proportional to the amount of
  pain it engenders in it's acquisition.

 True.  If it's hard to make do what you want, then it's probably not
 very good.  If the designers put that little thought and effort into the
 interface, one must wonder about the quality of the underlying code.

   From that perspective, most new
  people today just don't value Linux as much as us elder statesmen.  I
  gave up long ago trying to explain why Linux is a great choice for many
  real tasks.  If people are foolish enough to pay a lot more, get a lot
  less and then depend on companies that make them listen to endlessly
  looping interactive telephone queues in call centers in Asia, that is
  their problem.  Perhaps North America's infatuation with avoiding actual
  critical thought in business decisions is part of the reason why their
  kid's better start learning Mandarin to converse with their new
  overlords.
 Learning Linux isn't going to change the fact that our critical
 infrastructure is being sold off to our chinese overlords.  Examine the
 track records of current and past Liberal and Conservative governments
 if you want to complain about the impending buyout.  Greed in the name
 of shareholder value, speculators and a public interested only in the
 lowest price, quality be damned, are the problems.  I recently bought a
 BBQ.  Primary criteria (other than it being a reasonably good unit) was:
 Not Made in China.  I prefer to keep jobs on this side of the ditch.

  What is a corporate license of Microsoft
  Office from 2001 worth today?  Nothing.
 What is a linux disk from 2001 worth?  Or a 2001 Dodge Caravan?  You got
 it, nothing.

  If the same license acquisition
  value (mulitplied by desktops in service) had been invested in IT
  people, those few IT people could support all the desktops using
  LibreOffice (or whatever the flavour de jour) for a fraction of the
  ongoing expense.  Stupid, plain and simple.

 Those IT people would have moved on in late 2001 or 2002, maybe 2003
 when the company went bankrupt and was sold (to chinese investors).
 Further, those IT people would have been tearing their hair out trying
 to get those documents printed (at all, let alone with any form of
 pretty - and reliably reproduceable - formatting).  Yes, you pay for MS
 Office, but OTOH, you truly do get what you pay for in the alternatives.

 Now, I'm not gonna say that the alternatives are better... IMO, all OS's
 are flawed.  Some just work better for some tasks and do more poorly at
 others.  As professionals, we need to put personal propaganda aside and
 pick the best tool for the task at hand.  I stopped preaching years ago
 - noone takes evangelists seriously (and all OS's have made significant
 improvements over the last few years, anyway) and we all just want to
 get our tasks done, have a couple pints and spend time with our families.

 If OCLUG does die out (which will be unfortunate), just do not transfer
 any assets to groups in TO (hey, gotta keep the inter-city rivalry
 going, yes?)  LOL

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Jean-Francois Messier]

As it was stated previously in this thread, there is no single location
that will please everyone. Ottawa-Gatineau is a large area. I think that
the closer we are from downtown, the less likely we are to loose
participants because of a long distance to travel. 

At this point,, and it is *my* opinion, I think we should pick something
that will:
1- not have expensive costs to OCLUG
2- be *as available as possible* to a larger number of users

Another idea, is that we pick locations in different places, sometime
more on the west, sometime more on the east of Ottawa. But I realize
this requires more time and efforts from the board, managing each
meeting location individually. 

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 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change
From: Jeffrey Taylor jef...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, March 23, 2012 2:09 pm
To: Jon je_oc...@kronos.honk.org
Cc: linux@lists.oclug.on.ca

Then you alienate people in the east end and centretown. Travelling to
Algonquin from Gatineau is going to take me ~1 hour, each way, IF I
catch
my connections. Heading downtown is 25 minutes at most. That's what not
to
like.

(...)


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Jeffrey Taylor]

Frankly, this much confusion over setting up something as simple as a
meeting seems silly. People have enough hassle in their lives without
having to fight over a meeting location for a volunteer group. Best of luck
folks.

On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Jean-Francois Messier j...@messier.cawrote:

 As it was stated previously in this thread, there is no single location
 that will please everyone. Ottawa-Gatineau is a large area. I think that
 the closer we are from downtown, the less likely we are to loose
 participants because of a long distance to travel.

 At this point,, and it is *my* opinion, I think we should pick something
 that will:
 1- not have expensive costs to OCLUG
 2- be *as available as possible* to a larger number of users

 Another idea, is that we pick locations in different places, sometime
 more on the west, sometime more on the east of Ottawa. But I realize
 this requires more time and efforts from the board, managing each
 meeting location individually.

 JF
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  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change
 From: Jeffrey Taylor jef...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, March 23, 2012 2:09 pm
 To: Jon je_oc...@kronos.honk.org
 Cc: linux@lists.oclug.on.ca

 Then you alienate people in the east end and centretown. Travelling to
 Algonquin from Gatineau is going to take me ~1 hour, each way, IF I
 catch
 my connections. Heading downtown is 25 minutes at most. That's what not
 to
 like.

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Bill Strosberg]

On 12-03-23 01:48 PM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
 a few extra minutes In my case, 120 minutes. What's your time worth? 
 Where is the centroid of this region's population? In particular, 
 where is the centroid of interested persons without private motor 
 transportation?

Time is the most limited and valuable commodity I have.  I'm certainly 
willing to give some of it to support people like Richard who live by 
their principles.  Ten or fifteen minutes on my part to save Richard two 
hours is a courtesy I'm willing to support.  Like me, he has kids, wife 
and a home to keep running, so I know what his spare time is worth.

This being said, Richard's case is exceptional (as is he) and there may 
be other ways to make things work.  In the past I provided rides to 
people needing them - and making an effort to pre-arrange shared travel 
may be more effective than trying to keep everyone happy.  Given 
demographics and employer locations, I'm willing to concede that the 
east end is not the technical hotbed found to the west.  My 
neighbourhood is heavily RCMP, Military, CSIS, CSE etc. - but not many 
free spirited Linux anarchists, nor do I think meetings would be well 
attended here.  Suburbia - few students, not really starter homes, etc.

I'm glad to see discussion traffic here.  It is important for people to 
care enough to write.

The board and the legal structure of OCLUG is necessary and critical 
to having professionals and experts involved.  I've sat on a few boards 
(both profit and non-profit) and as a Director you can not afford to 
accept the liability this kind of positions incurs without the legal 
structure in place.  Even a student with no assets should be aware that 
a Directorship brings responsibility with it for government filings, 
organisational events and member actions.  Randall put a lot of effort 
in so OCLUG could operate and have people involved.  A lot of things 
like regular meetings, corporate involvement, banking and sponsorship 
absolutely require legal non-profit status.

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[John C Nash]

Complaints about parking and about not being able to access until 7 (so delay 
setting up),
no projector (OCLUG doesn't have one of their own), and then being tossed at 
8:45.

JN


On 03/23/2012 04:51 PM, David O'Neill wrote:
 
 On Mar 23, 2012 11:18 AM, Brenda J. Butler b...@sourcerer.ca 
 mailto:b...@sourcerer.ca
 wrote:
 
 My opinion re: which evening:  oclug was tolerating the changing evenings 
 because the
 venue is 1) free 2) good (with projector, large rooms, on transitway, etc).  
 However
 it had the extra benefit that people with unchanging commitments on Tuesdays 
 or
 Thursdays could make it out to some meetings.  I agree that changing the day 
 every
 semester is too much (not sure we ever did that), but changing once a year 
 is ok.
 
 What about the main branch of the Ottawa Public Library?  I recall we left 
 that space due
 to the offer of free space elsewhere, but I don't recall it being that 
 expensive.
 
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Bill Strosberg]

I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from 
the Lees Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not 
bother.  Subsequent moves westward were just as bad for me.  There have 
been many meeting topics that were interesting, but not enough to 
commute in from the far east end where I live.  No matter who is happy, 
not everyone will be.

I know it flies in the face of environmental sensitivity, but centrally 
close to the Queensway with free parking means a lot to people living 
outside the Greenbelt.

I was once involved with the Board, and could be persuaded once again if 
the survival of the group demanded help.  There is too much value in a 
community to let it die without objection.

Richard and Rob's comments regarding the future are well worth more 
thought.  Many years ago getting Yggdrasil or Debian Buzz loaded and 
running off 1.2m 5.25 floppies was a lot more challenging than today.  
The bar is much lower today than it was historically.  Meetings were 
more necessary due to the benefit of hands-on help and a sympathetic 
crowd to share the pain of achieving a text console and a diald SLIP 
connection.  Memories - Lynx and Pine.

Linux is more pervasive today, but perhaps less recognised.  As it has 
become mainstream concealed inside things like my Sony TV, it has also 
lost most of it's crusading warriors to the clock.

People's value of knowledge is directly proportional to the amount of 
pain it engenders in it's acquisition.   From that perspective, most new 
people today just don't value Linux as much as us elder statesmen.  I 
gave up long ago trying to explain why Linux is a great choice for many 
real tasks.  If people are foolish enough to pay a lot more, get a lot 
less and then depend on companies that make them listen to endlessly 
looping interactive telephone queues in call centers in Asia, that is 
their problem.  Perhaps North America's infatuation with avoiding actual 
critical thought in business decisions is part of the reason why their 
kid's better start learning Mandarin to converse with their new 
overlords.  A basic business principal that seems to be lost on the 
current hipster crowd of smartphone-totin', Facebook-posting MBA's is 
that you should invest your money in people, not things.  Knowledge 
invested in people is a valuable asset, and things are just 
liabilities that depreciate.  What is a corporate license of Microsoft 
Office from 2001 worth today?  Nothing.  If the same license acquisition 
value (mulitplied by desktops in service) had been invested in IT 
people, those few IT people could support all the desktops using 
LibreOffice (or whatever the flavour de jour) for a fraction of the 
ongoing expense.  Stupid, plain and simple.

Oh, well enough typing.  No one is probably listening, especially those 
that should.


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2012, Bill Strosberg wrote:

 I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from
 the Lees Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not
 bother.

I stopped going to meetings even before that, not tooo long after the 
decision was made for the group to change its name, become more 
professional, and do the paperwork to be a real corporation...

To my mind, that took all the fun out of it.

[snip]


 No matter who is happy, not everyone will be.

And that, sir, is known as the Human Condition.


 I know it flies in the face of environmental sensitivity, but centrally
 close to the Queensway with free parking means a lot to people living
 outside the Greenbelt.

Careful here! You're making sense, which is generally not preferred over 
Political (ECO) Correctness, at least in the minds of some.

[snip]


 Oh, well enough typing.  No one is probably listening, especially those
 that should.

Cheer up! One listener here, who happens to agree with you, so I guess I 
don't fall into the should be listening group.


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Grégoire , André]

It would cool if we could have a poll to see where members preferred to have 
the meetings that way the majority would take it.

Andre

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On Behalf Of Bill Strosberg
Sent: March-21-12 3:24 PM
To: linux@lists.oclug.on.ca
Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change


I have not attended meetings for years - when the meetings moved from the Lees 
Algonquin campus downtown, it became painful enough to not bother.  Subsequent 
moves westward were just as bad for me.  There have been many meeting topics 
that were interesting, but not enough to commute in from the far east end where 
I live.  No matter who is happy, not everyone will be.

I know it flies in the face of environmental sensitivity, but centrally close 
to the Queensway with free parking means a lot to people living outside the 
Greenbelt.

I was once involved with the Board, and could be persuaded once again if the 
survival of the group demanded help.  There is too much value in a community to 
let it die without objection.

Richard and Rob's comments regarding the future are well worth more thought.  
Many years ago getting Yggdrasil or Debian Buzz loaded and running off 1.2m 
5.25 floppies was a lot more challenging than today.  
The bar is much lower today than it was historically.  Meetings were more 
necessary due to the benefit of hands-on help and a sympathetic crowd to share 
the pain of achieving a text console and a diald SLIP connection.  Memories - 
Lynx and Pine.

Linux is more pervasive today, but perhaps less recognised.  As it has become 
mainstream concealed inside things like my Sony TV, it has also lost most of 
it's crusading warriors to the clock.

People's value of knowledge is directly proportional to the amount of 
pain it engenders in it's acquisition.   From that perspective, most new 
people today just don't value Linux as much as us elder statesmen.  I gave up 
long ago trying to explain why Linux is a great choice for many real tasks.  If 
people are foolish enough to pay a lot more, get a lot less and then depend on 
companies that make them listen to endlessly looping interactive telephone 
queues in call centers in Asia, that is their problem.  Perhaps North America's 
infatuation with avoiding actual critical thought in business decisions is part 
of the reason why their kid's better start learning Mandarin to converse with 
their new overlords.  A basic business principal that seems to be lost on the 
current hipster crowd of smartphone-totin', Facebook-posting MBA's is that you 
should invest your money in people, not things.  Knowledge invested in people 
is a valuable asset, and things are just liabilities that depreciate.  What 
is a corporate license of Microsoft Office from 2001 worth today?  Nothing.  If 
the same license acquisition value (mulitplied by desktops in service) had been 
invested in IT people, those few IT people could support all the desktops using 
LibreOffice (or whatever the flavour de jour) for a fraction of the ongoing 
expense.  Stupid, plain and simple.

Oh, well enough typing.  No one is probably listening, especially those that 
should.


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 08:46:55AM -0400, Grégoire, André wrote:
 It would cool if we could have a poll to see where members preferred
 to have the meetings that way the majority would take it.

This assumes that the potential body of interested people aren't already
ignoring us because of accessibility.

It would certainly be more objective than the current set of anekdotes.

 Andre

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 03:23:48PM -0400, Bill Strosberg wrote:
 I know it flies in the face of environmental sensitivity, but
 centrally close to the Queensway with free parking means a lot to
 people living outside the Greenbelt.

Another factor to consider is a question of demographics of
participants.  If we are looking at a seniors' club, then parking is
going to be more important and perhaps not too late.  If we are looking
at a students' club, then centrallity and transit are going to be
important since fewer youth are placing the value in owning motor
vehicles in the last 5-10 years than the 50 before that, which is partly
due to the disruptive technologies we meet to discuss.

Perhaps I am nostalgic for societies that value intergenerational
collaboration, but I think it makes sense to make an effort to
accomodate both in this particular area of interest.

Does it make sense to restrict ourselves to Linux specific topics, or
open source software (and perhaps hardware?) in general?

 I was once involved with the Board, and could be persuaded once again
 if the survival of the group demanded help.  There is too much value
 in a community to let it die without objection.

I would so too be willing.

 Bill

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Jean-Francois Messier]

And in that line, do we want to also include Android, which is based on
Linux, but is a very different ecosystem for end-users, as well as for
developers. At this point, I think we need to better define the scope of
the meetings and users groups. I was recently on the Ottawa Android
group web site (they had their meeting yesterday night) and I realized
that they focus in development topics, which narrows down the user base.


This is a choice. I don't say that one is better than another. But it
should be made, and clearly disclosed to everyone so we have the right
audience that we want. 

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 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change
From: Richard Guy Briggs r...@tricolour.net
Date: Thu, March 22, 2012 10:05 am
To: Bill Strosberg oc...@strosberg.com
Cc: linux@lists.oclug.on.ca

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 03:23:48PM -0400, Bill Strosberg wrote:
 I know it flies in the face of environmental sensitivity, but
 centrally close to the Queensway with free parking means a lot to
 people living outside the Greenbelt.

Another factor to consider is a question of demographics of
participants. If we are looking at a seniors' club, then parking is
going to be more important and perhaps not too late. If we are looking
at a students' club, then centrallity and transit are going to be
important since fewer youth are placing the value in owning motor
vehicles in the last 5-10 years than the 50 before that, which is partly
due to the disruptive technologies we meet to discuss.

Perhaps I am nostalgic for societies that value intergenerational
collaboration, but I think it makes sense to make an effort to
accomodate both in this particular area of interest.

Does it make sense to restrict ourselves to Linux specific topics, or
open source software (and perhaps hardware?) in general?

 I was once involved with the Board, and could be persuaded once again
 if the survival of the group demanded help. There is too much value
 in a community to let it die without objection.

I would so too be willing.

 Bill

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[John C Nash]

Thanks to at least 2 people who have offered to serve. That is encouraging.

Locations: From a personal perspective, I support a central meeting location. 
However,
I'll repeat my call for concrete suggestions (location, cost, amenities?). I 
don't think
there's any opposition to the idea of another location. It's just difficult to 
find
locations. I know other organizations are having similar challenges, and that 
is one of
the reasons the Board put together some ideas, including that of having several 
small
groupings in diverse locations. If you know somewhere we can meet, please find 
out costs
and availability and who to contact, and post your findings.

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Bill Strosberg]

On 12-03-22 10:05 AM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
 Another factor to consider is a question of demographics of 
 participants. If we are looking at a seniors' club, then parking is 
 going to be more important and perhaps not too late. If we are looking 
 at a students' club, then centrallity and transit are going to be 
 important since fewer youth are placing the value in owning motor 
 vehicles in the last 5-10 years than the 50 before that, which is 
 partly due to the disruptive technologies we meet to discuss. Perhaps 
 I am nostalgic for societies that value intergenerational 
 collaboration, but I think it makes sense to make an effort to 
 accomodate both in this particular area of interest. Does it make 
 sense to restrict ourselves to Linux specific topics, or open source 
 software (and perhaps hardware?) in general?

 From a club viability perspective Richard is right (as usual). I share 
the same nostalgia for intergenerational collaboration.  Given the 
geography, culture and climate of Canada, I think it is going to take a 
long time to wean ourselves off personal vehicles.  At 51 guess I'm now 
a senior?  I spend around an hour most days on my bike in the summer, so 
I don't feel like one.

I wonder (having done no substantive research) how well collaborative 
Open Source communication technologies work for large scale meetings?  
(25-50 live participants?) Video conferencing for Board meetings may 
alleviate some physical attendance pressure.  I use telephone based 
conference calls very frequently for client meetings as geography 
prevents face to face meetings.

There may be a lot of value in investing in working with disruptive 
virtual presence meetings, as the scope of possible members may 
increase, and the geographical lines drawn may become less relevant.  
Being able to watch club presentations after their live broadcast 
would be far more interesting than reviewing presentations without the 
audio, the questions, the responses and the community.  From 20,000 
feet, this is where I think social applications should be - I hate the 
reality that an American corporate entity run by a miserable spoiled 
brat owns all the interpersonal communication between today's youth.  
Open, free and non-commercial social participation using the Internet as 
backbone would be far more acceptable to me than freely allowing 
corporate America to mine my son's traffic and sell him to the highest 
bidders.

Just a thought.  Certainly would be far more eco-friendly than driving 
my fossil fuel dinosaur belching it's planet killing crap.  Although I 
certainly would miss the Beer Sig!

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Brett Delmage]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:


On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 08:46:55AM -0400, Grégoire, André wrote:

It would cool if we could have a poll to see where members preferred
to have the meetings that way the majority would take it.


This assumes that the potential body of interested people aren't already
ignoring us because of accessibility.

It would certainly be more objective than the current set of anekdotes.


It *could* be more objective if conducted properly and transparently for 
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 01:25:21PM -0400, Brett Delmage wrote:
 On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
 
 On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 08:46:55AM -0400, Grégoire, André wrote:
 It would cool if we could have a poll to see where members preferred
 to have the meetings that way the majority would take it.
 
 This assumes that the potential body of interested people aren't already
 ignoring us because of accessibility.
 
 It would certainly be more objective than the current set of anekdotes.
 
 It *could* be more objective if conducted properly and transparently
 for all OCLUG members. Otherwise it might just be a disguised
 representation of someone's opinion.

I would normally assume this goes without saying, but Brett is
absolutely correct, since we have seen too many cases where this is not
the case.

slainte mhath, RGB

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Darcy Whyte]

Wow, this discussion eggsploded. I was going to respond to a whole bunch of
the posts but I decided to start with one post. It's not a very refined
post as it's basically the core dump that I would have used to create all
my responses. Probably less work for everyone to just see the coredump:

///begin core

There are different purposes the group can have. I'm not sure how many are
interested in these two but they could be a core of a group.

Purpose A: Help the general public discover and use linux to solve their
problems
Purpose B: Help each other advance knowledge.

It's the undiscovered people that matter the most. Not just members.

Don't think the group is owned by and is to serve members. If you think
it's to serve the general public and it's members, it will work better.

If it's function is nostalgia for current members then it won't survive or
make a difference in the world. Without Purpose A above, a group can't
sustain.

Meetings can have rotating venues. Downtown is better as it's better for
access by the most people but rotating venues can support a wider area. A
single-venue, consensus-based group is so 90's (check calanedar).

Every person doesn't have to go to every meeting.

I'm not convinced a board or formal management is a benefit. We just need
someopen communication methods so people in the group can organize whatever
they want.

Everybody doesn't have to agree to everything. For instance a bunch of
people should be able to orgnaize a meetup or presentation and all those
that disagree simply don't make it out. They don't have to block it.

Organic is okay. You can't engineer a community.

There needs to be an online component. But this isn't a replacement for
face to face activities. (The group and members could have blogs and other
sharing systems such as youtube and other means of sharing meeting
content).

Listservs and Google Groups are cool.


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On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Richard Guy Briggs r...@tricolour.netwrote:

 On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 01:25:21PM -0400, Brett Delmage wrote:
  On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, Richard Guy Briggs wrote:
 
  On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 08:46:55AM -0400, Grégoire, André wrote:
  It would cool if we could have a poll to see where members preferred
  to have the meetings that way the majority would take it.
  
  This assumes that the potential body of interested people aren't already
  ignoring us because of accessibility.
  
  It would certainly be more objective than the current set of anekdotes.
 
  It *could* be more objective if conducted properly and transparently
  for all OCLUG members. Otherwise it might just be a disguised
  representation of someone's opinion.

 I would normally assume this goes without saying, but Brett is
 absolutely correct, since we have seen too many cases where this is not
 the case.

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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Rob Echlin]

The Annual General Meeting of the Ottawa Carleton Linux Users Group
will he held April 5, 2012 at Algonquin College, Room T130, Building T.
starting at 1900.

Below is the proposed agenda for the 2012 AGM. There are two important
items that we ask members to think about in advance.

1) Nominations for Board members -- we always need capable volunteers to
serve on the board.

2) Town Hall discussion on the future of OCLUG

While we remain an active group, the nature of our activities is changing.
In particular, with Linux much more widely used and appreciated, along with
active forums for help and discussion, there is less incentive to participate
in a live meeting. Notably, the 2011 AGM did not manage to provide a full
slate of board members. During the year we added one Board member who had
indicated willingness at the AGM, but needed to check availability, and John
Nash participated (non-voting) to provide continuity. This is, however, a
less than desirable situation.

The Board therefore proposes that the AGM hold a discussion to provide
direction for
  - adapting OCLUG to the realities we are experiencing. These afflict
    many volunteer organizations at this time.
  - finding volunteers to help run events or to carry out specific tasks

Some ideas for events that are a little different from our norm:

-  A User Group Festival, in a hall where many Ottawa user groups can 
  offer information tables and chat with each other and anyone who 
  comes out. A great day for this is Software Freedom Day on Sat Sept 15.
- a hack-fest, possibly with Group 51, with the hacking activity displayed and
   explained.
- Small, local meetings to help people with computer problems as a way to
   find new members. Our outreach has been limited in the last couple of years,
   apart from the Leavitt Memorial Seminar and (possibly) IPv6 Summit.

We are also exploring how we can do a better job of advertising our activities,
and John Sebastian Taylor is leading this effort.

Sadly, we do need a Plan B if there are too few nominees. It is not entirely
clear what the legalities are if we proceed to an election and there are too
few Board nominees to provide quorum. Hence it would be better to decide a
course of action during the AGM BEFORE the election if we know there are too
few nominees. Our constitution requires that our assets be passed to a similar
organization -- finding one could be difficult. It may also be possible to
appoint some trustees who would monitor a (paid) service to maintain mailing
lists and web site for Linux-related events in Ottawa for some period (e.g.,
5 years). There appears to be fairly solid interest in and usage of the mailing
list, for example, but there is a need for some management thereof.

We could also revise our organization to do fewer things using fewer people,
such as small meetings with no speakers, fewer meetings per year, or some
merging of activities with other groups like Computers for Communities.

The discussion of the future of OCLUG is intended to either rejuvenate the
group or else wind it up in an orderly way.

== AGM agenda outline

1) Financial report

2) Annual report

3) Future of OCLUG

4) Election

5) New business

6) Adjournment



7) Games

8) Beer SIG
 
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[Jeffrey Taylor]

For whatever it's worth, my involvement would be increased if the location
were more centralized. I don't know about others, but travelling from Hull
to Algonquin has a limited appeal.

Also, a hackathon sounds pretty interesting. I've been toying with the idea
of starting a 'hack space' with more space/tools than the current Ottawa
hackspace offers. This would be a decent balance and would certainly get my
attention(and I imagine others as well).

Jeff

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca wrote:

 The Annual General Meeting of the Ottawa Carleton Linux Users Group
 will he held April 5, 2012 at Algonquin College, Room T130, Building T.
 starting at 1900.

 Below is the proposed agenda for the 2012 AGM. There are two important
 items that we ask members to think about in advance.

 1) Nominations for Board members -- we always need capable volunteers to
 serve on the board.

 2) Town Hall discussion on the future of OCLUG

 While we remain an active group, the nature of our activities is changing.
 In particular, with Linux much more widely used and appreciated, along with
 active forums for help and discussion, there is less incentive to
 participate
 in a live meeting. Notably, the 2011 AGM did not manage to provide a full
 slate of board members. During the year we added one Board member who had
 indicated willingness at the AGM, but needed to check availability, and
 John
 Nash participated (non-voting) to provide continuity. This is, however, a
 less than desirable situation.

 The Board therefore proposes that the AGM hold a discussion to provide
 direction for
   - adapting OCLUG to the realities we are experiencing. These afflict
 many volunteer organizations at this time.
   - finding volunteers to help run events or to carry out specific tasks

 Some ideas for events that are a little different from our norm:

 -  A User Group Festival, in a hall where many Ottawa user groups can
   offer information tables and chat with each other and anyone who
   comes out. A great day for this is Software Freedom Day on Sat Sept 15.
 - a hack-fest, possibly with Group 51, with the hacking activity displayed
 and
explained.
 - Small, local meetings to help people with computer problems as a way to
find new members. Our outreach has been limited in the last couple of
 years,
apart from the Leavitt Memorial Seminar and (possibly) IPv6 Summit.

 We are also exploring how we can do a better job of advertising our
 activities,
 and John Sebastian Taylor is leading this effort.

 Sadly, we do need a Plan B if there are too few nominees. It is not
 entirely
 clear what the legalities are if we proceed to an election and there are
 too
 few Board nominees to provide quorum. Hence it would be better to decide a
 course of action during the AGM BEFORE the election if we know there are
 too
 few nominees. Our constitution requires that our assets be passed to a
 similar
 organization -- finding one could be difficult. It may also be possible to
 appoint some trustees who would monitor a (paid) service to maintain
 mailing
 lists and web site for Linux-related events in Ottawa for some period
 (e.g.,
 5 years). There appears to be fairly solid interest in and usage of the
 mailing
 list, for example, but there is a need for some management thereof.

 We could also revise our organization to do fewer things using fewer
 people,
 such as small meetings with no speakers, fewer meetings per year, or some
 merging of activities with other groups like Computers for Communities.

 The discussion of the future of OCLUG is intended to either rejuvenate the
 group or else wind it up in an orderly way.

 == AGM agenda outline

 1) Financial report

 2) Annual report

 3) Future of OCLUG

 4) Election

 5) New business

 6) Adjournment

 

 7) Games

 8) Beer SIG

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG AGM - discussing change

[John C Nash]

Location of meetings is always an issue for OCLUG. I personally would prefer 
more central
choice. If folk have ideas, perhaps they could research them and either post or 
have ready
for AGM discussion. A bit of history:

   - Lees Avenue -- good bus, some parking (?? how good), price (??), 
facilities (?? I
don't know whether we had net there)

   - U of O Senate room -- central, good bus, lousy parking, free, but we could 
not book
 much in advance and were subject to being bumped.

   - Algonquin -- good bus, not central, good parking, free, but some troubles 
with
conflicts with classes. There is now Royal Oak choice instead of Chances R

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Web site install fest

[Rob Echlin]

Hi
I have booked Chances R for 9pm Thursday.
Rob

 
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 From: Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca
To: linux_lists.oclug.on.ca linux@lists.oclug.on.ca 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:54:27 PM
Subject: OCLUG Web site install fest
 

Hello OCLUG!
Below is the email I sent to a couple other user groups in town.
When chatting about OCLUG in the last month, I heard from a couple of people 
that they would be interested in trying out some tools because they want to 
set up a new web site.

I will probably be showing off some of the capabilities of Apache, which is so 
well known it amounts to old hat. If anyone uses nginx  or lighttpd installed, 
I personally would like to see how those work.

Also, some of the blogging/CMS tools would be fun. I used Drupal once, but 
only some of its capabilities and no  plugins.

Rob 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:44:05 PM
Subject: [Ottawa Ruby] Apache, php, nginx, rails, lighttpd, python, ajax, 
django, drupal,
 

Hi 

The OCLUG meeting this Thursday, Feb 2, is our Web site install fest!


Come out and show off a site, a cool technique, a weird effect, a fast way to 
do it, or just a reliable tool.


This meeting has a non-meeting format: set it up and show it off, wander 
around and see what other people are doing.


Also, if someone wants to install a web site, maybe you can help them out 
with your fave tool, if it matches their needs.


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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Invite to Free Qt Seminar Nov. 10

[Bart Trojanowski]

2011/10/26 Jean-François Bilodeau jfbilod...@chronogears.com
 Apologies if I missed it, but at what time?

From the website quoted in the email:
 Registration and continental breakfast begin at 8:30 and we'll conclude by 
 5:00.

-Bart


     *From:* James bjloc...@lockie.ca
     *To:*
     *Cc:* li...@oclug.on.ca
     *Sent:* Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:19:09 AM
     *Subject:* Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Invite to Free Qt Seminar Nov. 10
 
     On 10/24/11 15:03, Lynn Gray wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I would like to invite all of the members of the OCLUG to an
     all-day Qt
  QuickStart seminar on November 10th.
 
  Topics will include:
 
  -Accelerating Your Software Development Process with Qt
  -What's New in Qt 4.8 and What's coming in Qt 5
  -HTML and Qt - Combining the Best of Both Worlds
  -UX Design for Engineers - Learning to Think Like an End-user
 
  The seminar is free, but registration is required. I hope your
     group has
  some interest!
 
  For more information: http://www.ics.com/learning/seminars/
 
  We hope to see you there!
 
  Best,
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Invite to Free Qt Seminar Nov. 10

[Rob Echlin]

Hi Lynn,
James has a point. :-)
Also, do you have seminars on the weekend? 

I am interested in QT, but it is not close enough to my current job to get the 
day off.

Would you like to present short workshops to any of the groups on this list?
- https://talksoftware.wordpress.com/ottawa-groups/
And I invite you to consider presenting to OCLUG.
You can write me on that subject.


Thanks,
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From: James bjloc...@lockie.ca
To: 
Cc: li...@oclug.on.ca
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:19:09 AM
Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Invite to Free Qt Seminar Nov. 10

On 10/24/11 15:03, Lynn Gray wrote:
 Hello,

 I would like to invite all of the members of the OCLUG to an all-day Qt
 QuickStart seminar on November 10th.

 Topics will include:

 -Accelerating Your Software Development Process with Qt
 -What's New in Qt 4.8 and What's coming in Qt 5
 -HTML and Qt - Combining the Best of Both Worlds
 -UX Design for Engineers - Learning to Think Like an End-user

 The seminar is free, but registration is required. I hope your group has
 some interest!

 For more information: http://www.ics.com/learning/seminars/

 We hope to see you there!

 Best,
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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Invite to Free Qt Seminar Nov. 10

[Lynn Gray]

Hello,

I would like to invite all of the members of the OCLUG to an all-day Qt 
QuickStart seminar on November 10th.

Topics will include:

-Accelerating Your Software Development Process with Qt
-What's New in Qt 4.8 and What's coming in Qt 5
-HTML and Qt - Combining the Best of Both Worlds
-UX Design for Engineers - Learning to Think Like an End-user

The seminar is free, but registration is required. I hope your group has 
some interest!

For more information: http://www.ics.com/learning/seminars/

We hope to see you there!

Best,
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Job Contribs?

[Allan Fields]

 and business seem to remain a human
function.


Thanks,
Allan Fields
Ottawa, On

In some ways you gotta feel sorry for the single man or entity who
filters a regions worth of information, and can only speak noise in
various combinations and permutations.  While some valid information
will undoubtedly remain in the channel: This is what in system-antics
we call regulator overflow and fault-back, when the best efforts in
avoidance of noise have not guaranteed the channel remains free from
interference.  However, even a retrograded regulator can surprise
with interesting results and potentially useful information in the
specific outcomes.


On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM,  linux-requ...@lists.oclug.on.ca wrote:

 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:52:20 -0400
 From: Brenda J. Butler b...@sourcerer.ca
 Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Job Contribs?
 To: linux@lists.oclug.on.ca
 Message-ID: 20110525195220.gf19...@sourcerer.ca
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 03:02:29PM -0400, Allan Fields wrote:
 I was
 wondering if you accept (secondary) submissions from external job
 boards, or prefer first-hand job posts provided directly by companies
 who are aware of OCLUG or from members who promote their openings?
 ...
 For instance:
 ...
 Listings like the above from Monster,

 I think we would have to comply with the terms and conditions
 of such web sites, I'd be surprised if they allowed for automated
 retrieval like this, however nice it might be to get this info
 in concise, advert-less form.

 bjb

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Job Contribs?

[Allan Fields]

.

 This could at their option be extracted from the LPI test they take
 and anonymized so that no-one feels left-out, but it could apply to
 vocation-specific topics such as Oracle installs, Drupal or
 volume management, linux firewall and made so that the group could
 help qualify members for recruitment using confusion-proof aptitude
 tests.   Because I am not an HR/corp/testing guy, I will leave it for
 keener to figure out how to maximize the Linux/admin resource pool.
 On a personal level, I still have certifications to obtain, but might
 qualify for a lot more than I am currently certified for, once I take
 the tests.

 In certain cases, the worst possible outcome in applying for a
 position is for someone to consider you knowledgable in something you
 are not or vice-versa, though it would be nice to not have candidates
 shot down but rather provided a chance to obtain specific skills, such
 as GFS clustering or Linux RAID.  These are all excellent examples of
 things that are transferrable knowledge, that generous people could
 share or that could make  courses.  Some of the local training
 companies already provide RedHat certified courses for these topics,
 but what about more general tools and specific Open Source products
 which are good topics for future meetings?  Perhaps there is a way to
 gage the level of understanding to enable local talent to move toward
 specific goals, or be recognized by all the staffing/recruiter types.
 Keywords on job-boards is good, but not always concise, even if you
 strive to present yourself in an honest fashion.

 For instance, I know nothing of Oracle Clustering, but some resources
 are able to deliver on their previous experience or vocational
 training.  Because my resume mentions Oracle as something I've done on
 a previous job, a recruiter may think I am a good resource to present.
 for a large Oracle install.  While such could present opportunities
 for those looking to branch-out in their career and they will likely
 excel on the job when hired, I don't like to mis-represent my
 expertise.  It would make me nervous to be responsible for an Oracle
 cluster when my I don't have formal training and I am primarily a
 PostgreSQL/mysql guy.

 Think Geekcode for Linux (troving):
 A simple Wiki entry could put keywords for topics-of-interest for
 members here.   After-all, a local group such as this is already needs
 met with site that doesn't cost a lot in terms of additional
 HR-centric effort, but a big job board probably has all that schema
 hidden some-where behind the web-based listings these days.  Most
 likely, people will just show up to the events and the presentations
 they are interested in and apply for positions they feel match their
 skillset.  This is the current state-of-the art in job search - a very
 organic process.  Networking and business seem to remain a human
 function.


 Thanks,
    Allan Fields
    Ottawa, On

 In some ways you gotta feel sorry for the single man or entity who
 filters a regions worth of information, and can only speak noise in
 various combinations and permutations.  While some valid information
 will undoubtedly remain in the channel: This is what in system-antics
 we call regulator overflow and fault-back, when the best efforts in
 avoidance of noise have not guaranteed the channel remains free from
 interference.  However, even a retrograded regulator can surprise
 with interesting results and potentially useful information in the
 specific outcomes.


 On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 12:00 PM,  linux-requ...@lists.oclug.on.ca wrote:

 Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:52:20 -0400
 From: Brenda J. Butler b...@sourcerer.ca
 Subject: Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Job Contribs?
 To: linux@lists.oclug.on.ca
 Message-ID: 20110525195220.gf19...@sourcerer.ca
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 03:02:29PM -0400, Allan Fields wrote:
 I was
 wondering if you accept (secondary) submissions from external job
 boards, or prefer first-hand job posts provided directly by companies
 who are aware of OCLUG or from members who promote their openings?
 ...
 For instance:
 ...
 Listings like the above from Monster,

 I think we would have to comply with the terms and conditions
 of such web sites, I'd be surprised if they allowed for automated
 retrieval like this, however nice it might be to get this info
 in concise, advert-less form.

 bjb


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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Job Contribs?

[Allan Fields]

I know members here have been good at listing opportunities on the
OCLUG Jobs board (http://oclug.on.ca/jobs/).

I've appreciate the RSS feed to quickly glance through these on my
mobile; Even if, over the last 2-3 years, it was primarily out of
interest for the job market rather than an immediate employment
requirement.

I did not see a match in the most recent OCLUG job listings, but I was
wondering if you accept (secondary) submissions from external job
boards, or prefer first-hand job posts provided directly by companies
who are aware of OCLUG or from members who promote their openings?

The original action item doesn't specify (though was obviously the
start of a successful implementation):
http://devel.oclug.on.ca/ticket/27

~

For instance:

Here is any interesting opportunity for CG Linux/Kernel Software tester:

http://jobview.monster.ca/Software-tester-mandatory-CMMI-PMS-QMS-5705591-Job-Ottawa-ON-CA-99335706.aspx

Listings like the above from Monster, do not match my current
skill-set and seem aimed at the embedded/telecom consulting types,
who enjoy network development and Linux kernel for embedded device
challenges.

~

I have to admit, I am not enthralled by that space as much as servers
and higher-level build, administration, system integration,
scripting+automation and support/trouble-shooting job roles.

I have recently come off a largely successful, long-term placement and
am currently in the market for a new position / Linux consulting
opportunity.  I thought I'd look through some of the postings for the
region on various job boards.  I am glad to indicate: it appears there
are quite a few opportunities for Linux types out there.


Thanks,
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[OCLUG-Tech] oclug membership list update

[Roland Renaud]

This message is going to active (and some inactive) OCLUG mailing lists.
We are sending out membership confirmation messages to the 
emails we have on our latest membership list. If you DO NOT
receive one and wish to be considered a member, please send
a message to members...@oclug.on.ca giving your NAME and the
EMAIL you wish to use for OCLUG communications. 

The 2011 AGM will be May 3. We need candidates for the Board.
If you are willing to stand, please go to 

http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/OclugBoardElection2011

log in (you may need to create a login which can be done without
moderation), and edit the page to add your name. You may create
a bio page if you wish.

Best,

OCLUG Board.
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG project: wicked cool openwrt router?

[Rick]

I supose the WNDR3700 could stand some more memory if you're going to do
anything fancy with it.

root@DD-WRT:~# free
  total used free   shared  buffers
  Mem:6182426444353800 1864
 Swap:000
Total:618242644435380

root@DD-WRT:~# uptime
 01:50:48 up 10 days,  9:18, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

root@DD-WRT:~# top
Mem: 26220K used, 35604K free, 0K shrd, 1864K buff, 5588K cached
CPU:  0.0% usr  0.0% sys  0.0% nic 86.4% idle  0.0% io  0.0% irq 13.5% sirq
Load average: 0.00 0.00 0.00 1/31 26799
  PID  PPID USER STAT   VSZ %MEM %CPU COMMAND
 1147 1 root S 2440  3.9  0.0 httpd -p 80
  701 1 root S 1596  2.5  0.0 hostapd -B -P
/var/run/ath0_hostapd.p
  763 1 root S 1592  2.5  0.0 hostapd -B -P
/var/run/ath1_hostapd.p
  481 1 root S 1468  2.3  0.0 watchdog
 7758 1 root S 1460  2.3  0.0 wland
  604 1 root S 1432  2.3  0.0 resetbutton
  849 1 root S 1136  1.8  0.0 ttraff
 7383 1 root S 1136  1.8  0.0 process_monitor
26755   883 root S 1092  1.7  0.0 dropbear -b /tmp/loginprompt -r
/tmp/
26776 26755 root S 1068  1.7  0.0 -sh
1 0 root S 1064  1.7  0.0 /sbin/init
26799 26776 root R 1060  1.7  0.0 top
  824 1 root S 1048  1.6  0.0 telnetd
  883 1 root S 1036  1.6  0.0 dropbear -b /tmp/loginprompt -r
/tmp/
  853 1 root S  796  1.2  0.0 dnsmasq
--conf-file=/tmp/dnsmasq.conf
  471 1 root S  684  1.1  0.0 /sbin/hotplug2 --set-rules-file
/etc/
 1402 1 root S  676  1.0  0.0 cron
 1759 1 root S  676  1.0  0.0 udhcpc -i eth1 -p
/var/run/udhcpc.pid
3 2 root SW   0  0.0  0.0 [ksoftirqd/0]
  139 2 root SW   0  0.0  0.0 [mtdblockd]

root@DD-WRT:~# uname -a
Linux DD-WRT 2.6.34.8-svn16124 #3629 Thu Feb 17 09:48:30 CET 2011 mips
unknown


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Mike Kenzie ba...@ncf.ca wrote:

 On Saturday 16 April 2011 09:33:13 Robert P. J. Day wrote:
a while back, i suggested on the KWLUG list that, as a group, we
  pick communal projects and work on them as a collective so that
  everyone got the benefit.  and one of the projects i suggested was
  selecting a state-of-the art, openwrt-compatible wireless router that
  interested parties could purchase, then over time, we'd document in
  excruciating detail how to build and install openwrt on such a beast.
 
anyone who wanted to play along would, of course, have to purchase
  the stock router, at which point anyone familiar with openwrt could
  start the ball rolling, we'd document the steps in a wiki somewhere so
  that even beginners could participate.
 
first task would be to select an appropriate router that's not
  stupidly expensive with some minimal features, such as:
 
* obviously, openwrt-flashable
* open source drivers for wireless chip
* 4 wired ports (pretty much standard these days)
* at least one USB port
 
  you get the idea.  there was some discussion about the ubiquity
  routerstation pro:
 
http://www.ubnt.com/rspro
 
  which comes with openwrt already installed, but of course, we'd want
  to document how to download the software and build our own installable
  image.
 
any interest in doing something like this?  and any alternative
  recommendations for other routers that would be ideal for this?


 Perhaps we could try an implementation of the Freedom Box

 http://freedomboxfoundation.org/

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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG project: wicked cool openwrt router?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  a while back, i suggested on the KWLUG list that, as a group, we
pick communal projects and work on them as a collective so that
everyone got the benefit.  and one of the projects i suggested was
selecting a state-of-the art, openwrt-compatible wireless router that
interested parties could purchase, then over time, we'd document in
excruciating detail how to build and install openwrt on such a beast.

  anyone who wanted to play along would, of course, have to purchase
the stock router, at which point anyone familiar with openwrt could
start the ball rolling, we'd document the steps in a wiki somewhere so
that even beginners could participate.

  first task would be to select an appropriate router that's not
stupidly expensive with some minimal features, such as:

  * obviously, openwrt-flashable
  * open source drivers for wireless chip
  * 4 wired ports (pretty much standard these days)
  * at least one USB port

you get the idea.  there was some discussion about the ubiquity
routerstation pro:

  http://www.ubnt.com/rspro

which comes with openwrt already installed, but of course, we'd want
to document how to download the software and build our own installable
image.

  any interest in doing something like this?  and any alternative
recommendations for other routers that would be ideal for this?

rday

-- 


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http://crashcourse.ca

Twitter:   http://twitter.com/rpjday
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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] [oclug-board] C4C notes

[Richard Guy Briggs]

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 01:23:07PM -0600, Lisa L wrote:
 Kind thanks to you Rob, and Jean-François Messier as well, for sending
 your helpful notes and great ideas from our discussion last meeting.
 For those not present, discussion revolved around how to attract and
 keep new members.  Many valuable insights were shared, by newcomers
 and folks who have been with us since our humble beginnings, about
 stepping up our outreach to users of other operating systems,
 increasing our coverage of beginner-friendly topics, and providing
 opportunities for them to consult us with problems in person.  Thank
 you all for your constructive input.
 
 Does anyone else have notes/ideas they would like to contribute?
 Please share.  These will be a topic of discussion at the next board
 meeting (Jan 17).

A quick chat outside the the beer sig last week and we talked about the
possibility of running a Linux for kids event or workshop at a time when
kids could actually participate.  I'd like to see something like the
recent Maker Faire, with a fun variety of open-source related displays
for kids.  This could be games, beginner programming languages,
robotics, drawing/arts, music, web site devel., photography, etc...

 I'll be forwarding Jean-François' message shortly.  I wrote some long
 and messy notes, which I will clean up and send along as well.
 
 Cheers,
 Lisa
 
 
 On 9 January 2011 07:57, Rob Echlin r...@echlin.ca wrote:
  Hi
  I have the following notes from the meeting and beer sig. Lisa and others 
  may
  have more.
 
  1)
  Proposed that OCLUG create a Linux install Cd for use at the Ottawa Public
  Libraries, to be distributed by C4C.
  - Suggested that Mint Linux might be better because it is a small install
  - Suggested that it be one that provides easy Dialup internet access
   - Eric had a bad experience with this recently - was that Ubuntu?
  - The firefox install on the CD should be modified to provide links to:
    - Public Library
    - City of Ottawa
    - C4C
    - OCLUG?
  - Background of the installer should be changed to promote Ottawa, possibly 
  C4C
  and library again
 
  Interested people:
  - Rob Echlin
  - Jean-Francois Messier
  - Lisa
  - Eric
  - Dave Sampson
 
  2)
  Topics for meetings - I think Lisa has these
  - basically, intro level topics in a number of areas
  - Kids computing presentation
  - Possibly split our space and have a second room for the last half of the
  evening
  - hands-on workshops as part of our session
 
  3)
  C4C is looking for hardware modems - in quantity to serve the thousands of
  people who can't afford hi-speed
 
  4)
  I think there was another topic...
 
  Rob

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Re: [OCLUG-Tech] [oclug-board] C4C notes

[Lisa L]

Below is the promised content from Jean-Francois' messages.  CCing
Dave again as many of these topics will no doubt be of interest to C4C
and its members, and there is opportunity for co-sponsored events.

Speaking of which, J-F floated the idea that one type of OCLUG-C4C
event could be a workshop teaching folks how to do computer
refurbishing/repairs and GNU/Linux installations.  C4C has an
excellent beginner-friendly process for this, which is being used to
fix up used computers and install Ubuntu on them so they can be
donated to people who can't afford a computer.  The valuable skills
gained at such a workshop would include hardware basics,
troubleshooting techniques, GNU/Linux installation and configuration,
and a process for switching from Windows.  Participants could bring
their own computers to work on if they like, or refurbish a C4C
computer and start accruing volunteer hours for a free computer.
Workshops like these could be done several times a year... attracting
new people to both of our groups, helping Ottawans switch to free/open
software, and benefitting the community.  No doubt many OCLUGers have
a wealth of knowledge to share or would like to build upon their skill
sets.

Here's J-F with more:



I think we need to cover subjects that REALpeople are interested in.
Many subjects are elitist subjects for those with very specific
needs, and very advanced knowledge of it.

There are many subjects that can be covered for beginners or starting
users, without touching command line, or touching technical topics
such as networking.

What about:

- Comparing office suites
- Comparing different graphic solutions
- Solving wireless issues ?
- configuring your hardware for your requirements (touchpad, keyboard, etc.)
- resetting a user configuration
- understanding the file structure of Linux system
- understanding the different file systems, and their use
- whats the difference between gnome and kde ?
- Which browsers are available under Linux ?
- etc.

When I was talking about subjects for future meetings, my main point
was to have ground-up subjects, those that are actually affecting a
majority of users. Those can also be titled as
questions such as:

- How to get Linux and Windows to co-exist ?
- How to get my peripherals working under Linux ? (This one could take
a full two hours, if we want)
- What happens to my email and my documents under Linux ?
- Running Windows software under Linux. This is something that stops
many users from going to Linux. They are stuck with Windows-Only
applications.
- Internet Security under Linux. How, What, When, Why ? Why is Linux
safer, or why not ?
- What is a distro ? Why so much choice, and to pick the right one for me ?
- What's the difference between Gnome, KDE, xfce ?
- What are the available applications under Linux for:
  = email (Thunderbird, Evolution, etc.)
  = browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Flock, etc.)
  = office suites (OpenOffice, LibreOffice, kOffice, etc.)
  = media players / recorders / cd burners / ???
  = editing and managing pictures
  = games
  = education software (Someone mentionned it last night)


The point is to have topics that will reach a mass of users, whether
those are regular USERS, students, kids (weekends), or older people.I
know that many will say that those topics are for dummies and most
of the users from last night would say that they are already above
such levels. But the majority of the public out there, who go to
Future Shop/Best Buy and have no idea how to build a computer from
parts, will say otherwise.

Topics such as clustering of PS3 is a great application of Linux on
cheap hardware, but this is not something that reaches home users,
whose priority is surfing the web, listening to Youtube and music,
shopping, reading email, doing Facebook. If the goal of OCLUG is to
have very specific subjects that could reach 1% of the population,
fine. But if you want to increase thenumber of attendants, you need to
reach the masses.

About the mailing list, which is almost dead, the point yesterday
night was that email is no more the way to reach end-users for
discussions and threads. Such emails are lost in the middle of so many
more emails of all subjects, including fighting with SPAM. There are
web-based applications that could run under LAMP for web-based forums,
where users, with a single URL can get to the forums of their
interest, find the latest entries, and add their own replies and
questions. I will try to find where such engines can be found.

That's it for now. I have to get back to work.




On 10 January 2011 14:06, Lisa L exexp...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, definitely great stuff Richard.  The Mini-Maker Faire was an
 awesome thing.  Doing something along the lines you suggest would be a
 fun way of introducing free/open software to the next generation and
 getting them excited about what it can do.  CCing Dave Sampson, as
 

[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG website

[Lisa L]

Greetings all,

After my my recent presentation, I noticed that it was not immediately
obvious where to view or post presentation slides from past meetings
on our website.  I volunteered to remedy this, and a new link has now
been added under the Activities category in the main menu.  However,
this is likely a temporary fix as it raises more issues than it
resolves (details on the Wiki page mentioned below).

We don't really need a major website overhaul, as overall things are
working quite well, but some tweaking is probably in order.  I've been
busy at work organizing and editing a number of Wiki pages this past
weekend, learning about the workings of the applications that run our
main website and the wiki, and compiling a list of found issues such
as broken links and outdated information at OCLUG Wiki  OCLUG Website
Development  Website To-Do List
(http://devel.oclug.on.ca/wiki/WebsiteToDoList).  (There is an
existing ticketing system originally intended for this purpose, but a
good portion of these issues are minor and don't necessarily warrant
taking the time to create individual tickets for.)  I've attempted to
find these issues in an orderly manner by following the main menu
links - but since I'm no doubt less familiar with the website
structure than others here, your input here would be greatly
appreciated.

There also appears to be a significant amount of data consolidation
that could be done to simplify our website administration in the
future.  For example, information on meeting time and location is in
more than one place, so if it changes (as it has recently), we need to
track down multiple pages instead of editing one page.
Suggestions/discussion on topics like this would be most welcome as
well.

Please feel free to add any issues, ideas, or suggestions to the
Website To-Do List or contact me with any questions/comments.

Thanks,
Lisa


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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG June Meeting: GNU Lilypond and GPS in Linux - Tonight

[R RENAUD]

http://oclug.on.ca/

OCLUG meets on the first Thursday of every month at 7pm
June Meeting: GNU Lilypond and GPS in Linux

Date: June 3, 2010 at 7 p.m.
Location: Algonquin College (Woodroffe Campus), room T117
GNU Lilypond
Speaker: Boris Shingarov

In this talk, Boris will present his work on GNU Lilypond -- an
open-source music engraving system -- in a publisher-grade
context. For the first time, Lilypond is used to typeset a
top-quality, definitive academic critical edition, to be printed by a
world's leading classical music publishing house. Boris will talk
about:

* A brief introduction to GNU Lilypond;
* Comparison to proprietary music typesetting systems;
* Specific needs of top-quality academic editions;
* Difficulties in using Lilypond for serious publication work
  (what was making Lilypond not publisher-grade); 
* Dynamics of relationship between the open-source development
  community and real-life users: what makes it difficult for a
  real user to get what they need for their work, from the
  community; the role of a solution vendor; factors impeding
  contributions upstream to the community;
* Lessons learned;
* Future work.


GPS in Linux
Speaker: Eric Brackenbury

Accessing GPS information using tools such as tangoGPS.

Eric hopes to start a lively and informative discussion on the current
state of Linux GPS applications.

If you have information, gadgets, and general knowledge, bring them
along for the round table.

Remember to start with the basics so everyone can benefit from the
discussion.

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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG mailing list changes

[Ian Ward]

For the past few months the board members have been discussing shutting
down a number of mailing lists.

Some of the lists have created confusion and caused important messages
to not reach their intended targets.  Also a number of lists are simply
idle, or could be better served with email aliases.  Finally, there are
too many lists to choose from for a new member thinking of getting involved.

We are planning to keep the following lists:

linux@lists.oclug.on.ca
oc...@lists.oclug.on.ca
oclug-annou...@lists.oclug.on.ca

Other lists will be closed to new posts, but the archives will still be
available.

Messages to the oclug-board list address will be forwarded to the
board-members email alias, and we will publish that email address on the
site as the best way to contact all board members.

We welcome your comments on this plan or anything else related to the
group. Please send them to board-memb...@oclug.on.ca to reach all of us.

Ian

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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG mailing list changes

[Ian Ward]

For the past few months the board members have been discussing shutting
down a number of mailing lists.

Some of the lists have created confusion and caused important messages
to not reach their intended targets.  Also a number of lists are simply
idle, or could be better served with email aliases.  Finally, there are
too many lists to choose from for a new member thinking of getting involved.

We are planning to keep the following lists:

linux@lists.oclug.on.ca
oc...@lists.oclug.on.ca
oclug-annou...@lists.oclug.on.ca

Other lists will be closed to new posts, but the archives will still be
available.

Messages to the oclug-board list address will be forwarded to the
board-members email alias, and we will publish that email address on the
site as the best way to contact all board members.

We welcome your comments on this plan or anything else related to the
group. Please send them to board-memb...@oclug.on.ca to reach all of us.

Ian
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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG Board of Directors - need member(s) - resend

[R RENAUD]

Margaret Tidman margaret.tid...@draak.ca writes on Mar 24, 2009:
  To: oclug-annou...@lists.oclug.on.ca, oc...@lists.oclug.on.ca
  Subject: [oclug] OCLUG Board of Directors - need member(s)
  Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:47:21 -0400

The OCLUG Annual General Meeting is on April 7, 2009 and the new Board
of Directors will be elected.

Michael Richardson is not running this year and we are looking to have
his seat on the board filled.  Michael's current position is Secretary,
but the board members can be moved around to accommodate, as necessary.

Other members of the board are also willing to stand down in we have
enough people seriously interested running for the board.

Some basic details of the position... the commitment is for one year
(May 2009 to April 2010).  Expectations are: attendance at the monthly
Board of Directors meetings, recording the minutes of the meetings,
contributing ideas/views/opinions at meetings, help with planning of
future general meetings and/or events and any other tasks that arise.

If you are interested in the opportunity and have any questions please
contact Michael at m...@sandelman.ottawa.on.ca.


Regards,

Margaret Tidman
OCLUG Board Member

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RE: [OCLUG-Tech] [OCLUG] Looking for a pc

[Rosberg, Michael]

Hi Patrick,

I have an older PC (very low mileage though) you can have. Believe it is loaded 
with an old Redhat build (maybe 6.1) or FreeBSD currently. Would suggest it be 
reloaded with something a little newer if you're going to connect it to the 
Internet, but can throw in some linux media disks to make it easy for you.

The system includes a NIC and CD-Rom, 19' CRT. Everything but a keyboard and 
mouse essentially. All this can be yours for the low low price of $20.

Contact me off of the list if you are interested.

MikeR.

 -Original Message-
 From: linux-boun...@lists.oclug.on.ca [mailto:linux-
 boun...@lists.oclug.on.ca] On Behalf Of Patrick Sauve
 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:06 PM
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 Im looking for a Linux PC, to make an webserver
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[OCLUG-Tech] OCLUG March Meeting: SETI and Wine

[R RENAUD]

http://oclug.on.ca/

OCLUG meets on the first Tuesday of every month at 7pm


March Meeting: SETI and Wine

Date: March 3, 2009 at 7 p.m.
Location: Algonquin College (Woodroffe Campus), room T117


Using Gnu Radio for SETI
Speaker: Marcus Leech

The speaker will describe some current work at SBRAC with a SETI spectrometer 
with high bandwidth and high resolution using Gnu Radio, and a beefy desktop 
computer running Fedora 10.

Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium http://www.sbrac.org

30 - 45 minutes


Wine Appreciation
Speaker: Alan German

Wine Is Not an Emulator; the software translates calls to the Windows 
Application Programming Interface into Posix code and allows Windows programs 
to run under Linux (and certain other operating systems). But, the Windows 
API's are Huge, not well documented, full of tricky behaviours and side effects 
- and no source code is available - to non-residents of Redmond, WA! Not 
surprising then, that it took 15 years to provide the first stable release - 
Wine 1.0. We will take a look at how to implement Wine, install and run Windows 
applications, and review a number of sources that can provide further 
information and some special assistance.

30 - 45 minutes



April Meeting: 2009 AGM

Date: April 7, 2009 at 7 p.m.
Location: Algonquin College (Woodroffe Campus), room T117

OCLUG Annual General Meeting

We still need speakers for this meeting

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[OCLUG-Tech] [oclug-announce] August Tutorial: Kernel Walkthrough: The Boot Process

[Ian Ward]

Date: August 21, 2008 at 7 p.m.
Location: TheCodeFactory, 246 Queen St., 2nd floor
Speaker: Bart Trojanowski

NOTE: there is no need to email to reserve a spot this time, we should
have space for everyone.


The Linux Kernel Walkthrough sessions aim to give OCLUG members, and
visitors, a guided tour of the Linux kernel. The meetings start with the
MC, Bart Trojanowski, giving an overview of the topic, followed by a
free form reading of the sources. Participants are encouraged to take
lead of the event and steer the direction of the adventure.

This months kernel walkthrough topic will be booting. Bart will start
with a brief overview of PC hardware and software involved in bringing
up a Linux system. He will then walk through what the Linux kernel does
before the user is greeted by a login prompt.

Bart hopes that this meeting will attract people of different levels of
knowledge and different areas of expertise, with individuals taking the
floor to answer questions in their area of the kernel.


About the Speaker

Bart Trojanowski is a Linux kernel hacker, currently self employed
working for clients seeking Linux development and consulting services
(www.jukie.net). When not hacking Linux drivers and embedded systems, he
enjoys playing with his two kids.

See http://www.jukie.net/~bart/ for more info.


Finding the Meeting Location

http://maps.google.com/?q=246+Queen+Street,Ottawa,On

About TheCodeFactory

TheCodeFactory is a collaborative co-working space dedicated to software
start-ups and the ecosystem that supports them in the Ottawa area. The
facility is located at 246 Queen Street, between Bank and Kent, on the
second floor, entrance just to the left of the Green Papaya when facing
the building. You can think of theCodeFactory as a clubhouse for
start-ups or water cooler where you can meet other likeminded people,
connect and collaborate.

The facilities include; common working space, private meeting rooms,
lounge, coffee bar, private offices, Wii, foosball table and onsite
reference library. Common workspace is available at an hourly rate with
a membership card that works much like your coffee gift card and
includes wifi and coffee. Meeting rooms are available at an hourly rate
and private office space is available for weekly, monthly or 12 month terms.

TheCodeFactory offers evening events, lunch and learn sessions and other
activities of interest to the software start-up community.

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