Re: RHEL8 z/VM requirements?

[Victor Hugo Ochoa Avila]

For z/VM 7.1

Hardware requirements

z/VM V7.1 requires a new architecture level set (ALS) that is available on
the:

   - z14 Models M01, M02, M03, M04, M05, and ZR1
   - LinuxONE Emperor II
   - LinuxONE Rockhopper II
   - z13
   - z13s
   - LinuxONE Emperor
   - LinuxONE Rockhopper
   - IBM zEnterprise EC12
   - IBM zEnterprise BC12


For RedHat 8:

[image: IBM tested and Partner certified Linux environments chart]

Regards

Atte

Victor Hugo Ochoa Ávila







El mié., 11 de diciembre de 2019 4:19 p. m., Alan Haff <
alan.h...@microfocus.com> escribió:

> How about z/VM - what's the minimum version required to run RHEL8 guests?
> I've reviewed the docs at
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/8/,
> including
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/performing_a_standard_rhel_installation/system-requirements-reference_installing-rhel
> and haven't been able to find anything about z/VM at all.
>
> Will any version of z/VM that will run on a z13 (and above) suffice?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of
> Timothy Sipples
> Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 21:28
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: OpenShift 4.2 for Linux on Z now available as a tech preview.
>
> Tuan Hoang wrote:
> >It will run on whatever env RHEL8 is supported.
> >RHCOS is built from RHEL8 contents/binaries.
>
> That means IBM z13 processors and higher, including IBM LinuxONE Emperor
> and IBM LinuxONE Rockhopper machines and higher.
>
>
> 
> Timothy Sipples
> IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE
>
> 
>
> E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com
>
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Herald ten Dam]

Hi,

for our customer we started with to provide the Linux, but the Linux team 
wanted to provision it self. They bought Wave but didn't like it because they 
want to script it. So at the end we use now the CloudConnector for z/VM, 
nowadays called Feilong and is part of the openmainframe project 
(https://www.openmainframeproject.org/projects/feilong).

The Linux team scripted around the API's provided by Feilong. We as z/VM team 
provide for the linux servers the Swap on vdisk and some basic profile so the 
Linux has always 2 FCP ports (Exit on Dirmaint and always called 5c51/5c50) and 
the same network ports. For the Linux we use Mdisks (out of a pool) and for 
Oracle binaries and Data the lun's are directly connected to Linux. After 
installing Linux, a script provides Oracle. The customer is content, before it 
costed around a week to setup a blade, now within an hour all is setup.
[https://www.openmainframeproject.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2019/08/OMP-feilong-logo-white-300x74.png]
Feilong - Open Mainframe 
Project
Feilong is a new open source z/VM cloud connector project under the Open 
Mainframe Project umbrella that will accelerate the z/VM adoption, extending 
its ecosystem and its user experience.
www.openmainframeproject.org


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Van: Linux on 390 Port  namens Mike Riggs 

Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2019 20:59
Aan: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 
Onderwerp: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

Hey Bob,

I'm going to chime in with support for zPRO as well.  Although not (yet) in 
production here, we have taken an extensive look at it and continue to figure 
out a migration plan for our non-Dirmaint environment.

Mike
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James Vincent
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:33 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

Hello Bob!
It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was 
written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it probably 
would not be of much use except for the concepts.

Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better things 
to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your own tools we 
could certainly chat about the things to focus on.  You are welcome here at our 
office any time or we can meet up someplace.

--
*James Vincent*
*-- Velocity Software, Inc.*


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert  wrote:

> Hi, Jim!
>
> IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous
> employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be
> available for us hackers to adapt to our environments??
>
> R;
>
>
> Rob Hamilton
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Chemical Abstracts Service
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James
> Vincent
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
>
> [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu]
>
> I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug.
> There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product
> available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get
> an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network
> info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It
> has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI
> cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your 
> needs.
>
> If you want to know more, let me know!
>
> -- *James Vincent*
> *-- Velocity Software, Inc.*
>
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RHEL8 z/VM requirements?

[Alan Haff]

How about z/VM - what's the minimum version required to run RHEL8 guests? I've 
reviewed the docs at 
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/8/, 
including 
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/performing_a_standard_rhel_installation/system-requirements-reference_installing-rhel
 and haven't been able to find anything about z/VM at all.

Will any version of z/VM that will run on a z13 (and above) suffice?

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Timothy 
Sipples
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 21:28
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: OpenShift 4.2 for Linux on Z now available as a tech preview.

Tuan Hoang wrote:
>It will run on whatever env RHEL8 is supported.
>RHCOS is built from RHEL8 contents/binaries.

That means IBM z13 processors and higher, including IBM LinuxONE Emperor
and IBM LinuxONE Rockhopper machines and higher.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE


E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com

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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Mike Riggs]

Hey Bob,

I'm going to chime in with support for zPRO as well.  Although not (yet) in 
production here, we have taken an extensive look at it and continue to figure 
out a migration plan for our non-Dirmaint environment.

Mike 
-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James Vincent
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:33 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

Hello Bob!
It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was 
written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it probably 
would not be of much use except for the concepts.

Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better things 
to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your own tools we 
could certainly chat about the things to focus on.  You are welcome here at our 
office any time or we can meet up someplace.

--
*James Vincent*
*-- Velocity Software, Inc.*


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert  wrote:

> Hi, Jim!
>
> IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous 
> employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be 
> available for us hackers to adapt to our environments??
>
> R;
>
>
> Rob Hamilton
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Chemical Abstracts Service
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James 
> Vincent
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
>
> [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu]
>
> I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug.
> There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product 
> available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get 
> an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network 
> info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It 
> has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI 
> cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your 
> needs.
>
> If you want to know more, let me know!
>
> -- *James Vincent*
> *-- Velocity Software, Inc.*
>
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Christian Borntraeger]

On 11.12.19 18:00, Alan Altmark wrote:
> On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:18 GMT, "Hamilton, Robert" 
>  wrote:
>> I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root 
> documentation,
>> which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, 
> but
>> copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, 
> maintenance and
>> cloning.
>> The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux
>> installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is 
> skipped
>> over.
>>
>> like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook 
> says how
>> it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? 
> OMVS? RPI?
>>
>> I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and 
> manage
>> it as cleanly as possible.
> 
> Mike and I are in agreement about read-only root:  Don't do it. 
> Intellectually appealing, but impractical.  It's good for a ysprog to play 
> around with such things to see what's *possible* with the available tech, 
> but just because a thing CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done.

Agreed.
> 
> When we start to aggressively push process-changing Z tech into the Linux 
> admin world, it creates a rift.  The x86 Linux admins wash their hands of 
> Z, leaving it to a sysprog who isn't part of the Linux admin team to do 
> Linux administration.  And the sysprog is now left with another job and no 
> pay increase for doing it.  You don't get invited to the Linux admin 
> parties and you're not part of strategy discussions.  You get left behind 
> and sand gets kicked in your face.  You get exasperated eyerolls and the 
> occasional "OK, Boomer."
> 
> The real learning moment is when you simply ask your Linux admins, "How do 
> you install new Linux servers in your virtualized environments?"  Based on 
> that answer, you figure out how Z can fit into that model.  Just keep in 
> mind that better tech isn't always "best".  By all means, ask them if 
>  would be of value to them, but be prepared to accept 
> "No" as an answer, no matter how much inherent mainframe coolness is 
> there.

Right. It has to fit in the scheme of your company. 
I think a scheme that is used often in x86 is to use a cloud image and then
use cloud init to provision the system. You basically use a daily image
(e.g. https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/ has daily builds
of latest greatest 18.04 with all updates). You then use a config file 
passed through as  virtual disk to provision the system. 
While this works natively with kvm, there are also documents that describe
cloud-init for z/VM. (I have not tested that with z/VM so I will just assume
that this will work as well) 

A kind of similar thing is used in coreos called ignition, so a base image 
that is customized with config seems to be common in the container/k8s
world as well.

Christian

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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Edgington, Jerry]

Is someone looking for a clone "script" for building Linux server on z/VM?  
Sorry, I think I missed the start of this email trail. 

-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James Vincent
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:33 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

Hello Bob!
It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was 
written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it probably 
would not be of much use except for the concepts.

Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better things 
to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your own tools we 
could certainly chat about the things to focus on.  You are welcome here at our 
office any time or we can meet up someplace.

--
*James Vincent*
*-- Velocity Software, Inc.*


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert  wrote:

> Hi, Jim!
>
> IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous 
> employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be 
> available for us hackers to adapt to our environments??
>
> R;
>
>
> Rob Hamilton
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Chemical Abstracts Service
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James 
> Vincent
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
>
> [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu]
>
> I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug.
> There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product 
> available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get 
> an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network 
> info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It 
> has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI 
> cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your 
> needs.
>
> If you want to know more, let me know!
>
> -- *James Vincent*
> *-- Velocity Software, Inc.*
>
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[James Vincent]

Hello Bob!
It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was
written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it
probably would not be of much use except for the concepts.

Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better
things to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your
own tools we could certainly chat about the things to focus on.  You are
welcome here at our office any time or we can meet up someplace.

--
*James Vincent*
*-- Velocity Software, Inc.*


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert  wrote:

> Hi, Jim!
>
> IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous
> employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be available for
> us hackers to adapt to our environments??
>
> R;
>
>
> Rob Hamilton
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Chemical Abstracts Service
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James
> Vincent
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
>
> [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu]
>
> I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug.
> There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product
> available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an
> exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc)
> or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system
> administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across
> your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs.
>
> If you want to know more, let me know!
>
> -- *James Vincent*
> *-- Velocity Software, Inc.*
>
> --
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Hamilton, Robert]

Hi, Jim!

IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous employer. Is 
that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be available for us hackers to 
adapt to our environments??

R;


Rob Hamilton
Infrastructure Engineer
Chemical Abstracts Service



-Original Message-
From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of James Vincent
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu]

I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug.
There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product
available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an
exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc)
or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system
administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across
your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs.

If you want to know more, let me know!

-- *James Vincent*
*-- Velocity Software, Inc.*

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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Tom Huegel]

In the past (z/VM 5.4) I setup XCAT to do LINUX provisioning .. it was a
bit of a struggle to get it working but it was free and once I got it going
it worked well enough for us.
z/VM 6.4 is different .. I haven't done anything with it.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:39 AM James Vincent 
wrote:

> I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug.
> There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product
> available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an
> exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc)
> or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system
> administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across
> your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs.
>
> If you want to know more, let me know!
>
> -- *James Vincent*
> *-- Velocity Software, Inc.*
>
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[James Vincent]

I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug.
There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product
available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an
exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc)
or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system
administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across
your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs.

If you want to know more, let me know!

-- *James Vincent*
*-- Velocity Software, Inc.*

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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Tom Huegel]

In the past (z/VM 5.4) I setup XCAT to do LINUX provisioning .. it was a
bit of a struggle to get it working but it was free and once I got it going
it worked well enough for us.
z/VM 6.4 is different .. I haven't done anything with it.

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:04 AM Alan Altmark 
wrote:

> On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:18 GMT, "Hamilton, Robert"
>  wrote:
> > I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root
> documentation,
> > which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good,
> but
> > copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances,
> maintenance and
> > cloning.
> > The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux
> > installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is
> skipped
> > over.
> >
> > like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook
> says how
> > it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS?
> OMVS? RPI?
> >
> > I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and
> manage
> > it as cleanly as possible.
>
> Mike and I are in agreement about read-only root:  Don't do it.
> Intellectually appealing, but impractical.  It's good for a ysprog to play
> around with such things to see what's *possible* with the available tech,
> but just because a thing CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done.
>
> When we start to aggressively push process-changing Z tech into the Linux
> admin world, it creates a rift.  The x86 Linux admins wash their hands of
> Z, leaving it to a sysprog who isn't part of the Linux admin team to do
> Linux administration.  And the sysprog is now left with another job and no
> pay increase for doing it.  You don't get invited to the Linux admin
> parties and you're not part of strategy discussions.  You get left behind
> and sand gets kicked in your face.  You get exasperated eyerolls and the
> occasional "OK, Boomer."
>
> The real learning moment is when you simply ask your Linux admins, "How do
> you install new Linux servers in your virtualized environments?"  Based on
> that answer, you figure out how Z can fit into that model.  Just keep in
> mind that better tech isn't always "best".  By all means, ask them if
>  would be of value to them, but be prepared to accept
> "No" as an answer, no matter how much inherent mainframe coolness is
> there.
>
> Alan Altmark
>
> Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
> IBM Systems Lab Services
> IBM Z Delivery Practice
> ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
> office: 607.429.3323
> mobile; 607.321.7556
> alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Alan Altmark]

On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:18 GMT, "Hamilton, Robert" 
 wrote:
> I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root 
documentation,
> which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, 
but
> copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, 
maintenance and
> cloning.
> The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux
> installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is 
skipped
> over.
>
> like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook 
says how
> it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? 
OMVS? RPI?
>
> I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and 
manage
> it as cleanly as possible.

Mike and I are in agreement about read-only root:  Don't do it. 
Intellectually appealing, but impractical.  It's good for a ysprog to play 
around with such things to see what's *possible* with the available tech, 
but just because a thing CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done.

When we start to aggressively push process-changing Z tech into the Linux 
admin world, it creates a rift.  The x86 Linux admins wash their hands of 
Z, leaving it to a sysprog who isn't part of the Linux admin team to do 
Linux administration.  And the sysprog is now left with another job and no 
pay increase for doing it.  You don't get invited to the Linux admin 
parties and you're not part of strategy discussions.  You get left behind 
and sand gets kicked in your face.  You get exasperated eyerolls and the 
occasional "OK, Boomer."

The real learning moment is when you simply ask your Linux admins, "How do 
you install new Linux servers in your virtualized environments?"  Based on 
that answer, you figure out how Z can fit into that model.  Just keep in 
mind that better tech isn't always "best".  By all means, ask them if 
 would be of value to them, but be prepared to accept 
"No" as an answer, no matter how much inherent mainframe coolness is 
there.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM Systems Lab Services
IBM Z Delivery Practice
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Alan Altmark]

On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:28 GMT, Jake Anderson 
 wrote:
> We have no budget in buying products to do this
>
> Is there a other way to get the cloning?

I didn't say you had to buy something.  I asked how you deploy new Linux 
servers on other platforms.  This is about integrating Z into your 
existing IT processes.  You can't change the Linux server deployment 
process without getting approval from a lot of other people, and doing 
THAT requires the buy-in I'm talking about.

If they aren't using cloning today, they may have a good reason.  I often 
hear:
- The install process runs scripts that register the guest with 
- Each new server must have the the latest patch level (so cloning only 
helps if you're building several at the same time)

I'm just suggesting that before you start looking for cloning techniques, 
find out first if that's going to be worth your effort.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM Systems Lab Services
IBM Z Delivery Practice
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Michael MacIsaac]

Alan,

Yes, OK, many shops prefer 'build' over 'clone'. Chapter 2 of
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248303.html?Open
shows how to use kickstart for RHEL.

Our shop still does clones because we have to use golden images hardened by
another team.

-Mike M


On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:19 AM Alan Altmark 
wrote:

> On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson
>  wrote:
> > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for
> > Oracle.
> >
> > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ?
>
> How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)?
> Cloning isn't always the best choice.  It's sexy and it exploits a lot of
> Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too:  Your Linux admins
> have to buy into it.
>
> Alan Altmark
>
> Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
> IBM Systems Lab Services
> IBM Z Delivery Practice
> ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
> office: 607.429.3323
> mobile; 607.321.7556
> alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
> IBM Endicott
>
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Michael MacIsaac]

Robert,

I would not recommend "read only root".  It sounds good on paper, but the
devil is in the details.  I'm not sure any shops are still trying that
approach.

-Mike

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:23 AM Hamilton, Robert  wrote:

> I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root
> documentation, which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper
> redp4322 is good, but copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold
> instances, maintenance and cloning.
> The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux
> installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is
> skipped over.
>
> like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook says
> how it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS?
> OMVS? RPI?
>
> I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and
> manage it as cleanly as possible.
>
> R;
>
>
> Rob Hamilton
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Chemical Abstracts Service
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Linux on 390 Port  On Behalf Of Michael
> MacIsaac
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:24 AM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
>
> [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu]
>
> Jake,
>
> Which cookbook are you using?
>
> -Mike M
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning.
> >
> > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional.
> >
> > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow
> ?
> >
> > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux
> > guest ?
> >
> > Jake
> >
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Jake Anderson]

Mike

I am not worried about oracle but want to just clone a linux alone.

As our DBAs are installing the oracle on Linux guest

On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 8:20 PM Jake Anderson, 
wrote:

> We have no budget in buying products to do this
>
> Is there a other way to get the cloning?
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 8:19 PM Alan Altmark, 
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson
>>  wrote:
>> > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for
>> > Oracle.
>> >
>> > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ?
>>
>> How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)?
>> Cloning isn't always the best choice.  It's sexy and it exploits a lot of
>> Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too:  Your Linux admins
>> have to buy into it.
>>
>> Alan Altmark
>>
>> Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
>> IBM Systems Lab Services
>> IBM Z Delivery Practice
>> ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
>> office: 607.429.3323
>> mobile; 607.321.7556
>> alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
>> IBM Endicott
>>
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Jake Anderson]

We have no budget in buying products to do this

Is there a other way to get the cloning?

On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 8:19 PM Alan Altmark,  wrote:

> On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson
>  wrote:
> > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for
> > Oracle.
> >
> > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ?
>
> How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)?
> Cloning isn't always the best choice.  It's sexy and it exploits a lot of
> Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too:  Your Linux admins
> have to buy into it.
>
> Alan Altmark
>
> Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
> IBM Systems Lab Services
> IBM Z Delivery Practice
> ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
> office: 607.429.3323
> mobile; 607.321.7556
> alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
> IBM Endicott
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Hamilton, Robert]

I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root documentation, 
which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, but 
copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, maintenance and 
cloning.
The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux 
installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is skipped 
over.

like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook says how 
it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? OMVS? RPI?

I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and manage 
it as cleanly as possible.

R;


Rob Hamilton
Infrastructure Engineer
Chemical Abstracts Service


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Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:24 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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[Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu]

Jake,

Which cookbook are you using?

-Mike M

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning.
>
> I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional.
>
> From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow ?
>
> Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux
> guest ?
>
> Jake
>
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Michael MacIsaac]

Jake,

This redbook is old, but I'd hope most of it is still pertinent:

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248104.html?Open


See Chapter 10  "Automating Oracle on System z"

Hope this helps.

-Mike

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Hi Mike
>
> I am using
>
> The Virtualization Cookbook for IBM z Systems Volume 1: IBM z/VM 6.3,
> SG24-8147-01
>
> I have built Linux and done with LVM part alone .
>
> We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for
> Oracle.
>
> So which is the best way to do cloning alone ?
>
> Jake
>
> On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 7:28 PM Michael MacIsaac, 
> wrote:
>
> > Jake,
> >
> > Which cookbook are you using?
> >
> > -Mike M
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning.
> > >
> > > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional.
> > >
> > > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can
> follow
> > ?
> > >
> > > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux
> > > guest ?
> > >
> > > Jake
> > >
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Alan Altmark]

On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson 
 wrote:
> We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for
> Oracle.
>
> So which is the best way to do cloning alone ?

How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)? 
Cloning isn't always the best choice.  It's sexy and it exploits a lot of 
Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too:  Your Linux admins 
have to buy into it.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM Systems Lab Services
IBM Z Delivery Practice
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Jake Anderson]

Hi Mike

I am using

The Virtualization Cookbook for IBM z Systems Volume 1: IBM z/VM 6.3,
SG24-8147-01

I have built Linux and done with LVM part alone .

We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for
Oracle.

So which is the best way to do cloning alone ?

Jake

On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 7:28 PM Michael MacIsaac,  wrote:

> Jake,
>
> Which cookbook are you using?
>
> -Mike M
>
> On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning.
> >
> > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional.
> >
> > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow
> ?
> >
> > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux
> > guest ?
> >
> > Jake
> >
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Re: zLINUX end user provisioning

[Michael MacIsaac]

Jake,

Which cookbook are you using?

-Mike M

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning.
>
> I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional.
>
> From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow ?
>
> Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux
> guest ?
>
> Jake
>
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zLINUX end user provisioning

[Jake Anderson]

Hello

I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning.

I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional.

>From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow ?

Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux
guest ?

Jake

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