Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
Take a look at CaSpool. Good product. Nigel Bowen Technical Principal FedEx Services (901)263-5674 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Barlow Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 12:53 PM To: LINUX-390@vm.marist.edu Subject: Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING I suggest that you urge your management to buy a package you don't have to support. (I still find it hard to believe that CICS and IMS don't speak TCP/IP for printing.) If you want to install and support your own, there was a package called SNAPRSIM written by Bruce Crabill on the 1998 VM Workshop tape. I found it on the web at Fran Hensler's web site: http://zvm.sru.edu/~DOWNLOAD/ . I have been using this for several years and support several hundred printers. Rick Barlow Senior z/VM Systems Programmer Nationwide Services Co., Web-zLinux Support, z/VM and System z Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza MB-02-201 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5213Fax: (614) 249-3912 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 08/10/2007 06:41:56 PM: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Have you thought about software like VPS I have found a lot of good out of VPS, except for one thing. The price tag. The last time I looked at it, we just couldn't afford it. I can't go into many specifics, but it was going to be almost a million for the first year and 200K for every year after. Not a very large shop. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
If you want to install and support your own, there was a package called SNAPRSIM written by Bruce Crabill on the 1998 VM Workshop tape. I found it on the web at Fran Hensler's web site: http://zvm.sru.edu/~DOWNLOAD/ . I have been using this for several years and support several hundred printers. Rick Barlow Senior z/VM Systems Programmer I'll chime in for Bruce's code as well. Works like a champ. If you have VM and VM/VTAM, IMHO, SNAPRSIM is often as good or better than most of the commercial packages, especially if you combine it with the LPR support in RSCS or the BSI NJE Bridge and an Linux system to do post-processing on the output after RSCS transmits the job (the Linux system can easily do things like IPP support and signature file merges and forms flash and other fancy stuff that is hard to do elsewhere). There are things you have to do manually that the commercial packages automate, but SNAPRSIM gets the job done admirably, and the difference in price will pay for a LOT of hand-holding (which is fortunately, rarely needed, or at least no worse than anything involving VTAM needs hand-holding). You do need HLASM to build and maintain it, but you needed that to maintain the standalone CP utilities anyway. Besides, Bruce is a nice guy. His code needs to live on, even if UMD no longer sees the light on mainframes... -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
I suggest that you urge your management to buy a package you don't have to support. (I still find it hard to believe that CICS and IMS don't speak TCP/IP for printing.) If you want to install and support your own, there was a package called SNAPRSIM written by Bruce Crabill on the 1998 VM Workshop tape. I found it on the web at Fran Hensler's web site: http://zvm.sru.edu/~DOWNLOAD/ . I have been using this for several years and support several hundred printers. Rick Barlow Senior z/VM Systems Programmer Nationwide Services Co., Web-zLinux Support, z/VM and System z Linux Support One Nationwide Plaza MB-02-201 Columbus OH 43215-2220 U.S.A Voice: (614) 249-5213Fax: (614) 249-3912 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 08/10/2007 06:41:56 PM: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Have you thought about software like VPS I have found a lot of good out of VPS, except for one thing. The price tag. The last time I looked at it, we just couldn't afford it. I can't go into many specifics, but it was going to be almost a million for the first year and 200K for every year after. Not a very large shop. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
I still find it hard to believe that CICS and IMS don't speak TCP/IP for printing. Neither does JES2. And, there are alternatives to VPS. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
Have you thought about software like VPS. We use it for LPR printing on z/os and its fully customizable.. You can remove or add just about anything. I'm not certain about your budget.. But if money is no object. http://www.lrs.com/EOM/PDF/ProdBrochures/VPSX-VSE.pdf -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Canavan Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING I have not done this, so I can't help Sharon, has anyone else? Nothing/no one is making any difference. ARGHHH Here is the current scenerio: We have VSE, VTAM, IDMS and VTAM plus a 2216 in the VM environment on a MP3000-H50. We have a report that is printed on an EPSON dot matrix printer, that is attached to a PC that is running EXTRA Printer Server. The report is generated in VSE IDMS, sent to the PC with the EXTRA Print Server (which is cable attached to the dot matrix printer). The report prints on a 8.5 x 11 3-ply form and prints from edge to edge (about 84 print positions) on the 8.5 edge. We are migrating to the Z9, would like to eliminate (support will drop at the end of this calendar year) the 2216 so we want to replace the dot matrix with a network attached printer (HP 8150 series since this has edge to edge override feature). We are able to print from edge to edge but it seems for EVERY data line, it will print a blank line. We have tried INSERTS and SCRIPs, all attempts don't work. We only have 2 of these printers but they are Payroll printers so we can migrate until we find a solution...we've already missed our first migration deadline. ANY help will be GREATLY appreciated!! Sharon Tong-Robinson SF PUC, 415.551.4383 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan Canavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] VSE/VM SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: Please be advised that any discussion of U.S. tax matters contained within this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used and cannot be used for the purpose of (i) avoiding U.S. tax related penalties or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
And extra blank line, when printing to the ascii world, usually means you are printing more characters than the line length of the printer. And a auto linefeed is being done. Attach is a page I always use to test printing. It's easy to the line length and number of lines per page. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Rodriguez, Oscar [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/10/2007 3:42 PM Have you thought about software like VPS. We use it for LPR printing on z/os and its fully customizable.. You can remove or add just about anything. I'm not certain about your budget.. But if money is no object. http://www.lrs.com/EOM/PDF/ProdBrochures/VPSX-VSE.pdf -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Canavan Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING I have not done this, so I can't help Sharon, has anyone else? Nothing/no one is making any difference. ARGHHH Here is the current scenerio: We have VSE, VTAM, IDMS and VTAM plus a 2216 in the VM environment on a MP3000-H50. We have a report that is printed on an EPSON dot matrix printer, that is attached to a PC that is running EXTRA Printer Server. The report is generated in VSE IDMS, sent to the PC with the EXTRA Print Server (which is cable attached to the dot matrix printer). The report prints on a 8.5 x 11 3-ply form and prints from edge to edge (about 84 print positions) on the 8.5 edge. We are migrating to the Z9, would like to eliminate (support will drop at the end of this calendar year) the 2216 so we want to replace the dot matrix with a network attached printer (HP 8150 series since this has edge to edge override feature). We are able to print from edge to edge but it seems for EVERY data line, it will print a blank line. We have tried INSERTS and SCRIPs, all attempts don't work. We only have 2 of these printers but they are Payroll printers so we can migrate until we find a solution...we've already missed our first migration deadline. ANY help will be GREATLY appreciated!! Sharon Tong-Robinson SF PUC, 415.551.4383 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan Canavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] VSE/VM SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: Please be advised that any discussion of U.S. tax matters contained within this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used and cannot be used for the purpose of (i) avoiding U.S. tax related penalties or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 testprt.listing Description: Binary data
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
It sounds to me like there are extra linefeeds (LFs) being introduced somewhere in the process. Printers like the dot-matrix Epson printer you are migrating away from make use of control characters to do things like advance the paper and move the print head around. One of these control characters is a linefeed (LF), which advances the paper forward one line. Another is a carriage return (CR), which moves the printhead from wherever it currently is, to the beginning of the line. During normal printing, when the end of a line is reached, both a CR and an LF are needed to prepare the printer for printing the next line. Issues like the one you are seeing arise because not all computer systems do the same thing at the end of a line. An MS-DOS or Windows system records a CR/LF combination as an end of line. A UNIX system typically uses just an LF. EBCDIC systems get around this whole issue by having a specific character for newline (NL), and of course the idea of the fixed record length file eliminates the need for an end-of-line character entirely. If you were to send just straight text from an ASCII system to a printer (ignoring any intermediary subsystem which might introduce its own carriage control commands), MS-DOS text would print correctly, as you would expect a printed document to look. UNIX text would print like this: this is the first line this is the second line this is the third line because there is no CR telling the printer to move the print head back to the beginning of the line---just a LF to advance the paper. An old-school Macintosh uses just a CR character as an end-of-line. If you were to send text formatted this way to a printer (again, ignoring any intermediary subsystems), the resulting hardcopy would have everything printed on one line, as there is no LF to advance the paper. As a way to deal with this diversity, printers like the Epson you are migrating away from have configuration settings for automatic LF after CR. Enabling this option when connecting the printer to an Apple allows text to be printed normally, as the printer automatically performs a linefeed after receiving a CR, without having to explicitly be told to do so. If you enable this option when connecting the printer to an MS-DOS PC, you get double-spaced text, because the printer performs an automatic linefeed after receiving the CR, and then performs a second LF as instructed by the PC. UNIX systems remain unaffected because the printer never receives a CR. Now. That being said this obviously has very little to do with the mechanics of laser printing, though because people expect to be able to print text files this way using laser printers, the behavior must be simulated in software on the printer. I do not know if modern laser printers still have the configuration option to enable or disable the automatic LF after CR, but this is something to look at. The simplest solution to this problem is to determine whether the two printers are configured the same in this regard, and if not, configure the laser printer the same way as the Epson dot matrix was. If the HP laser printers are not dedicated to this task (i.e. they are used for other print jobs) you may find this approach disruptive to other print jobs sent to these printers. If they are already configured the same (or may not be made so), you will need to look to other intermediary pieces of software where these LFs and CRs may be manipulated beyond what appears directly in the text file itself; for example, the UNIX printing system takes care of sending the necessary CRs to the printer, even though they do not appear in the text. The EXTRA print server you were using may have been doing something similar, or even possibly removing extra carriage control characters. If this is the case, you will need to simulate elsewhere whatever it's doing... RSCS may have some carriage control options which may be of some use in this endeavor. It's possible that there are LFs in your data which were introduced as a workaround for an issue similar to one described above... in that case they could be removed and your problem would be solved. Hopefully this information will help you figure out where to look for the answer. Good luck! ok r. -Original Message- From: Jan Canavan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:31 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING I have not done this, so I can't help Sharon, has anyone else? Nothing/no one is making any difference. ARGHHH Here is the current scenerio: We have VSE, VTAM, IDMS and VTAM plus a 2216 in the VM environment on a MP3000-H50. We have a report that is printed on an EPSON dot matrix printer, that is attached to a PC that is running EXTRA Printer Server. The report is generated in VSE IDMS, sent to the PC with the EXTRA Print Server
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
We are migrating to the Z9, would like to eliminate (support will drop at the end of this calendar year) the 2216 so we want to replace the dot matrix with a network attached printer (HP 8150 series since this has edge to edge override feature). We are able to print from edge to edge but it seems for EVERY data line, it will print a blank line. We have tried INSERTS and SCRIPs, all attempts don't work. First, replace one thing at a time. An OSA serves the same function as the 2216 as long as you get an OSA model that still supports SNA connectivity. You'll be able to switch the OSA for the 2216 and talk to the existing Epson printers the same way you do today -- you may need to update the MAC address of the link in the Extra configuration from the 2216 to the MAC of the OSA, but it ought to work fine. That'll buy you some time to solve the other problem and get off the H50. 2nd, check the HP printer to see if the AUTO-CR feature is turned on, which adds an extra CR if the printer sees a bare LF that is not immediately preceded by a CR. Some HP printers ship this way for text printout -- it doesn't bother the Windows users, because Windows prints stuff as graphics bitstreams, so they never print real text (even Notepad converts to a fixed-width graphics-basedfont and renders this way, unless you set it to use a hard-coded printer font). If that's not it, then you may need to enable LPR on VSE and point the printer definition at a Linux system that has CUPS on it. In CUPS, you can define a printer instance that specifies a particular font and font size to use when printing documents. CUPS will then receive the output from VSE via LPR, convert as necessary to get the target printer to do the right thing, and send the print job to the printer in question. If you play with the font sizes and styles (9.5 pt Courier should be about right for 84 chars per line). Probably a good job for a old spare Intel machine; this will be CPU intensive, and you don't have VM, so experimenting on the H50 will be somewhat painful. Drop me a note off list if you have questions, and I'll give you a call. -- db -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
You might want to look at the RSCS TCPIP print drivers. I haven't done this but looked into it some time ago but haven't gotten around to it yet. Thanks, Gary L. Detro Senior IT Specialist 1177 S. Belt Line Rd; Coppell, TX 75019 Internal Mail Stop: 77-01-3001O; Coppell, TX Phone: 469-549-8174 (t/l 603-8174); Fax: 469-549-8235 (t/l 603-8235) Send me an email [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM Global Solution Center Rodriguez, Oscar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU 08/10/2007 03:42 PM Please respond to Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU To LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU cc Subject Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING Have you thought about software like VPS. We use it for LPR printing on z/os and its fully customizable.. You can remove or add just about anything. I'm not certain about your budget.. But if money is no object. http://www.lrs.com/EOM/PDF/ProdBrochures/VPSX-VSE.pdf -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Canavan Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 2:31 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING I have not done this, so I can't help Sharon, has anyone else? Nothing/no one is making any difference. ARGHHH Here is the current scenerio: We have VSE, VTAM, IDMS and VTAM plus a 2216 in the VM environment on a MP3000-H50. We have a report that is printed on an EPSON dot matrix printer, that is attached to a PC that is running EXTRA Printer Server. The report is generated in VSE IDMS, sent to the PC with the EXTRA Print Server (which is cable attached to the dot matrix printer). The report prints on a 8.5 x 11 3-ply form and prints from edge to edge (about 84 print positions) on the 8.5 edge. We are migrating to the Z9, would like to eliminate (support will drop at the end of this calendar year) the 2216 so we want to replace the dot matrix with a network attached printer (HP 8150 series since this has edge to edge override feature). We are able to print from edge to edge but it seems for EVERY data line, it will print a blank line. We have tried INSERTS and SCRIPs, all attempts don't work. We only have 2 of these printers but they are Payroll printers so we can migrate until we find a solution...we've already missed our first migration deadline. ANY help will be GREATLY appreciated!! Sharon Tong-Robinson SF PUC, 415.551.4383 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jan Canavan [EMAIL PROTECTED] VSE/VM SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. This communication is for information purposes only and should not be regarded as an offer to sell or as a solicitation of an offer to buy any financial product, an official confirmation of any transaction, or as an official statement of Lehman Brothers. Email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. Therefore, we do not represent that this information is complete or accurate and it should not be relied upon as such. All information is subject to change without notice. IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: Please be advised that any discussion of U.S. tax matters contained within this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used and cannot be used for the purpose of (i) avoiding U.S. tax related penalties or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction or matter addressed herein. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 image/jpegimage/jpeg
Re: Help: Change from VTAM print to LPR PRINTING
Have you thought about software like VPS I have found a lot of good out of VPS, except for one thing. The price tag. The last time I looked at it, we just couldn't afford it. I can't go into many specifics, but it was going to be almost a million for the first year and 200K for every year after. Not a very large shop. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
