Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
> like, where and how to put an ISO On LINUX or AIX you can use a "loopback" option to mount an ISO on a directory. The command might differ depending on your distro. I use an AIX server for staging install images, AIX has a command specifically for mounting an ISO as opposed to using the mount command with loopback option on LINUX: AIX: ISO image cdrom.iso, mount directory /mnt: loopmount -i cdrom.iso -o "-V cdrfs -o ro" -m /mnt On LINUX I think it looks something like this: mount -t iso9660 -o loop /tmp/cdrom.iso /mnt Then you can copy the files from the iso mount to a filesystem on your staging server. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Hamilton, Robert Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 11:11 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root documentation, which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, but copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, maintenance and cloning. The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is skipped over. like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook says how it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? OMVS? RPI? I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and manage it as cleanly as possible. R; Rob Hamilton Infrastructure Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Michael MacIsaac Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] Jake, Which cookbook are you using? -Mike M On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson wrote: > Hello > > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning. > > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional. > > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow ? > > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux > guest ? > > Jake > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2. > marist.edu%2Fhtbin%2Fwlvindex%3FLINUX-390data=02%7C01%7Cbhead%40h > umana.com%7C3f0bc2bf3bc44883ef4108d77e56886a%7C56c62bbe85984b859e511ca > 753fa50f2%7C1%7C0%7C637116782433649540sdata=qBYUTwyskOye5ijNdxJp9 > TgpjSmKLuI6tOqEORz1nPE%3Dreserved=0 > -- -Mike MacIsaac -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.marist.edu%2Fhtbin%2Fwlvindex%3FLINUX-390data=02%7C01%7Cbhead%40humana.com%7C3f0bc2bf3bc44883ef4108d77e56886a%7C56c62bbe85984b859e511ca753fa50f2%7C1%7C0%7C637116782433649540sdata=qBYUTwyskOye5ijNdxJp9TgpjSmKLuI6tOqEORz1nPE%3Dreserved=0 Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, including any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or privileged information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society ("ACS"). If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Please destroy all copies of the message and contact the sender immediately by either replying to this message or calling 614-447-3600. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww2.marist.edu%2Fhtbin%2Fwlvindex%3FLINUX-390data=02%7C01%7Cbhead%40humana.com%7C3f0bc2bf3bc44883ef4108d77e56886a%7C56c62bbe85984b859e511ca753fa50f2%7C1%7C0%7C637116782433659535sdata=jGJVuwaoH4ON4rgEwY64LYR0HBkGu6zEYqfFy%2FUIgvc%3Dreserved=0 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries comply with applicable Federal civil rights laws and do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, age, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries do
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Hi, for our customer we started with to provide the Linux, but the Linux team wanted to provision it self. They bought Wave but didn't like it because they want to script it. So at the end we use now the CloudConnector for z/VM, nowadays called Feilong and is part of the openmainframe project (https://www.openmainframeproject.org/projects/feilong). The Linux team scripted around the API's provided by Feilong. We as z/VM team provide for the linux servers the Swap on vdisk and some basic profile so the Linux has always 2 FCP ports (Exit on Dirmaint and always called 5c51/5c50) and the same network ports. For the Linux we use Mdisks (out of a pool) and for Oracle binaries and Data the lun's are directly connected to Linux. After installing Linux, a script provides Oracle. The customer is content, before it costed around a week to setup a blade, now within an hour all is setup. [https://www.openmainframeproject.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2019/08/OMP-feilong-logo-white-300x74.png]<https://www.openmainframeproject.org/projects/feilong> Feilong - Open Mainframe Project<https://www.openmainframeproject.org/projects/feilong> Feilong is a new open source z/VM cloud connector project under the Open Mainframe Project umbrella that will accelerate the z/VM adoption, extending its ecosystem and its user experience. www.openmainframeproject.org Met vriendelijke groet, Herald ten Dam Database Specialist Oracle, Medior z/VM ICU IT Services BV Transistorstraat 55b I 1322 CK ALMERE M 06 – 28 891 653 I E herald.ten@icu-it.nl<mailto:herald.ten@icu-it.nl> T 088 – 5 234 123 I www.icu-it.nl<https://mail.tonec.nl/owa/redir.aspx?C=VXsWzolNszaPfEV0NyI4hHlHi_HLsvmJPdc-hUPEoam3bq_3CljVCA..=http%3a%2f%2fwww.icu-it.nl%2f> I KvK 32135776 Van: Linux on 390 Port namens Mike Riggs Verzonden: woensdag 11 december 2019 20:59 Aan: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Onderwerp: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning Hey Bob, I'm going to chime in with support for zPRO as well. Although not (yet) in production here, we have taken an extensive look at it and continue to figure out a migration plan for our non-Dirmaint environment. Mike -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning Hello Bob! It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it probably would not be of much use except for the concepts. Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better things to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your own tools we could certainly chat about the things to focus on. You are welcome here at our office any time or we can meet up someplace. -- *James Vincent* *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert wrote: > Hi, Jim! > > IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous > employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be > available for us hackers to adapt to our environments?? > > R; > > > Rob Hamilton > Infrastructure Engineer > Chemical Abstracts Service > > > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James > Vincent > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning > > [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] > > I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug. > There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product > available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get > an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network > info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It > has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI > cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your > needs. > > If you want to know more, let me know! > > -- *James Vincent* > *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, > including any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or > privileged information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society > ("ACS"). > If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the co
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Hey Bob, I'm going to chime in with support for zPRO as well. Although not (yet) in production here, we have taken an extensive look at it and continue to figure out a migration plan for our non-Dirmaint environment. Mike -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning Hello Bob! It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it probably would not be of much use except for the concepts. Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better things to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your own tools we could certainly chat about the things to focus on. You are welcome here at our office any time or we can meet up someplace. -- *James Vincent* *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert wrote: > Hi, Jim! > > IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous > employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be > available for us hackers to adapt to our environments?? > > R; > > > Rob Hamilton > Infrastructure Engineer > Chemical Abstracts Service > > > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James > Vincent > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning > > [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] > > I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug. > There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product > available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get > an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network > info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It > has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI > cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your > needs. > > If you want to know more, let me know! > > -- *James Vincent* > *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, > including any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or > privileged information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society > ("ACS"). > If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this > information is strictly prohibited. Please destroy all copies of the > message and contact the sender immediately by either replying to this > message or calling 614-447-3600. > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
On 11.12.19 18:00, Alan Altmark wrote: > On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:18 GMT, "Hamilton, Robert" > wrote: >> I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root > documentation, >> which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, > but >> copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, > maintenance and >> cloning. >> The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux >> installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is > skipped >> over. >> >> like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook > says how >> it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? > OMVS? RPI? >> >> I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and > manage >> it as cleanly as possible. > > Mike and I are in agreement about read-only root: Don't do it. > Intellectually appealing, but impractical. It's good for a ysprog to play > around with such things to see what's *possible* with the available tech, > but just because a thing CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done. Agreed. > > When we start to aggressively push process-changing Z tech into the Linux > admin world, it creates a rift. The x86 Linux admins wash their hands of > Z, leaving it to a sysprog who isn't part of the Linux admin team to do > Linux administration. And the sysprog is now left with another job and no > pay increase for doing it. You don't get invited to the Linux admin > parties and you're not part of strategy discussions. You get left behind > and sand gets kicked in your face. You get exasperated eyerolls and the > occasional "OK, Boomer." > > The real learning moment is when you simply ask your Linux admins, "How do > you install new Linux servers in your virtualized environments?" Based on > that answer, you figure out how Z can fit into that model. Just keep in > mind that better tech isn't always "best". By all means, ask them if > would be of value to them, but be prepared to accept > "No" as an answer, no matter how much inherent mainframe coolness is > there. Right. It has to fit in the scheme of your company. I think a scheme that is used often in x86 is to use a cloud image and then use cloud init to provision the system. You basically use a daily image (e.g. https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/bionic/current/ has daily builds of latest greatest 18.04 with all updates). You then use a config file passed through as virtual disk to provision the system. While this works natively with kvm, there are also documents that describe cloud-init for z/VM. (I have not tested that with z/VM so I will just assume that this will work as well) A kind of similar thing is used in coreos called ignition, so a base image that is customized with config seems to be common in the container/k8s world as well. Christian -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Is someone looking for a clone "script" for building Linux server on z/VM? Sorry, I think I missed the start of this email trail. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 2:33 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: zLINUX end user provisioning Hello Bob! It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it probably would not be of much use except for the concepts. Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better things to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your own tools we could certainly chat about the things to focus on. You are welcome here at our office any time or we can meet up someplace. -- *James Vincent* *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert wrote: > Hi, Jim! > > IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous > employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be > available for us hackers to adapt to our environments?? > > R; > > > Rob Hamilton > Infrastructure Engineer > Chemical Abstracts Service > > > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James > Vincent > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning > > [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] > > I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug. > There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product > available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get > an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network > info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It > has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI > cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your > needs. > > If you want to know more, let me know! > > -- *James Vincent* > *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, > including any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or > privileged information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society > ("ACS"). > If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this > information is strictly prohibited. Please destroy all copies of the > message and contact the sender immediately by either replying to this > message or calling 614-447-3600. > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Hello Bob! It *was *a good tool-set and is long gone now unfortunately. Since it was written specifically for that environment even if I still had it, it probably would not be of much use except for the concepts. Humbly I would say zPRO is the way to go because I bet you have better things to do with your time but if you really want to tackle writing your own tools we could certainly chat about the things to focus on. You are welcome here at our office any time or we can meet up someplace. -- *James Vincent* *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 2:13 PM Hamilton, Robert wrote: > Hi, Jim! > > IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous > employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be available for > us hackers to adapt to our environments?? > > R; > > > Rob Hamilton > Infrastructure Engineer > Chemical Abstracts Service > > > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James > Vincent > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning > > [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] > > I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug. > There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product > available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an > exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc) > or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system > administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across > your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs. > > If you want to know more, let me know! > > -- *James Vincent* > *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, including > any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or privileged > information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society ("ACS"). > If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this > information is strictly prohibited. Please destroy all copies of the > message and contact the sender immediately by either replying to this > message or calling 614-447-3600. > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Hi, Jim! IIRC, you had a good cloning tool or set of tools at your previous employer. Is that proprietarily copyrighted, or might that be available for us hackers to adapt to our environments?? R; Rob Hamilton Infrastructure Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of James Vincent Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 12:37 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug. There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs. If you want to know more, let me know! -- *James Vincent* *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, including any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or privileged information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society ("ACS"). If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Please destroy all copies of the message and contact the sender immediately by either replying to this message or calling 614-447-3600. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
In the past (z/VM 5.4) I setup XCAT to do LINUX provisioning .. it was a bit of a struggle to get it working but it was free and once I got it going it worked well enough for us. z/VM 6.4 is different .. I haven't done anything with it. On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:39 AM James Vincent wrote: > I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug. > There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product > available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an > exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc) > or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system > administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across > your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs. > > If you want to know more, let me know! > > -- *James Vincent* > *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
I did see the "no budget for buying" but I have a shameless product plug. There is a very affordable, easy to use and vendor-supported product available called zPRO from Velocity Software that will clone (you get an exact copy), clone and personalize (exact copy with new network info, etc) or kickstart (brand new build) Linux servers on z/VM. It has system administration of the servers within a single LPAR, SSI cluster or across your Enterprise and can easily be customized to fit your needs. If you want to know more, let me know! -- *James Vincent* *-- Velocity Software, Inc.* -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
In the past (z/VM 5.4) I setup XCAT to do LINUX provisioning .. it was a bit of a struggle to get it working but it was free and once I got it going it worked well enough for us. z/VM 6.4 is different .. I haven't done anything with it. On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:04 AM Alan Altmark wrote: > On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:18 GMT, "Hamilton, Robert" > wrote: > > I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root > documentation, > > which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, > but > > copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, > maintenance and > > cloning. > > The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux > > installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is > skipped > > over. > > > > like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook > says how > > it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? > OMVS? RPI? > > > > I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and > manage > > it as cleanly as possible. > > Mike and I are in agreement about read-only root: Don't do it. > Intellectually appealing, but impractical. It's good for a ysprog to play > around with such things to see what's *possible* with the available tech, > but just because a thing CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done. > > When we start to aggressively push process-changing Z tech into the Linux > admin world, it creates a rift. The x86 Linux admins wash their hands of > Z, leaving it to a sysprog who isn't part of the Linux admin team to do > Linux administration. And the sysprog is now left with another job and no > pay increase for doing it. You don't get invited to the Linux admin > parties and you're not part of strategy discussions. You get left behind > and sand gets kicked in your face. You get exasperated eyerolls and the > occasional "OK, Boomer." > > The real learning moment is when you simply ask your Linux admins, "How do > you install new Linux servers in your virtualized environments?" Based on > that answer, you figure out how Z can fit into that model. Just keep in > mind that better tech isn't always "best". By all means, ask them if > would be of value to them, but be prepared to accept > "No" as an answer, no matter how much inherent mainframe coolness is > there. > > Alan Altmark > > Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant > IBM Systems Lab Services > IBM Z Delivery Practice > ibm.com/systems/services/labservices > office: 607.429.3323 > mobile; 607.321.7556 > alan_altm...@us.ibm.com > IBM Endicott > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:18 GMT, "Hamilton, Robert" wrote: > I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root documentation, > which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, but > copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, maintenance and > cloning. > The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux > installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is skipped > over. > > like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook says how > it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? OMVS? RPI? > > I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and manage > it as cleanly as possible. Mike and I are in agreement about read-only root: Don't do it. Intellectually appealing, but impractical. It's good for a ysprog to play around with such things to see what's *possible* with the available tech, but just because a thing CAN be done doesn't mean it SHOULD be done. When we start to aggressively push process-changing Z tech into the Linux admin world, it creates a rift. The x86 Linux admins wash their hands of Z, leaving it to a sysprog who isn't part of the Linux admin team to do Linux administration. And the sysprog is now left with another job and no pay increase for doing it. You don't get invited to the Linux admin parties and you're not part of strategy discussions. You get left behind and sand gets kicked in your face. You get exasperated eyerolls and the occasional "OK, Boomer." The real learning moment is when you simply ask your Linux admins, "How do you install new Linux servers in your virtualized environments?" Based on that answer, you figure out how Z can fit into that model. Just keep in mind that better tech isn't always "best". By all means, ask them if would be of value to them, but be prepared to accept "No" as an answer, no matter how much inherent mainframe coolness is there. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM Systems Lab Services IBM Z Delivery Practice ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 04:28 GMT, Jake Anderson wrote: > We have no budget in buying products to do this > > Is there a other way to get the cloning? I didn't say you had to buy something. I asked how you deploy new Linux servers on other platforms. This is about integrating Z into your existing IT processes. You can't change the Linux server deployment process without getting approval from a lot of other people, and doing THAT requires the buy-in I'm talking about. If they aren't using cloning today, they may have a good reason. I often hear: - The install process runs scripts that register the guest with - Each new server must have the the latest patch level (so cloning only helps if you're building several at the same time) I'm just suggesting that before you start looking for cloning techniques, find out first if that's going to be worth your effort. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM Systems Lab Services IBM Z Delivery Practice ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Alan, Yes, OK, many shops prefer 'build' over 'clone'. Chapter 2 of http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248303.html?Open shows how to use kickstart for RHEL. Our shop still does clones because we have to use golden images hardened by another team. -Mike M On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:19 AM Alan Altmark wrote: > On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson > wrote: > > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for > > Oracle. > > > > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ? > > How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)? > Cloning isn't always the best choice. It's sexy and it exploits a lot of > Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too: Your Linux admins > have to buy into it. > > Alan Altmark > > Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant > IBM Systems Lab Services > IBM Z Delivery Practice > ibm.com/systems/services/labservices > office: 607.429.3323 > mobile; 607.321.7556 > alan_altm...@us.ibm.com > IBM Endicott > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- -Mike MacIsaac -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Robert, I would not recommend "read only root". It sounds good on paper, but the devil is in the details. I'm not sure any shops are still trying that approach. -Mike On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 11:23 AM Hamilton, Robert wrote: > I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root > documentation, which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper > redp4322 is good, but copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold > instances, maintenance and cloning. > The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux > installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is > skipped over. > > like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook says > how it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? > OMVS? RPI? > > I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and > manage it as cleanly as possible. > > R; > > > Rob Hamilton > Infrastructure Engineer > Chemical Abstracts Service > > > -Original Message- > From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Michael > MacIsaac > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:24 AM > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning > > [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] > > Jake, > > Which cookbook are you using? > > -Mike M > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson > wrote: > > > Hello > > > > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning. > > > > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional. > > > > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow > ? > > > > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux > > guest ? > > > > Jake > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > > visit > > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > > -- > -Mike MacIsaac > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, including > any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or privileged > information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society ("ACS"). > If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any > disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this > information is strictly prohibited. Please destroy all copies of the > message and contact the sender immediately by either replying to this > message or calling 614-447-3600. > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- -Mike MacIsaac -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Mike I am not worried about oracle but want to just clone a linux alone. As our DBAs are installing the oracle on Linux guest On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 8:20 PM Jake Anderson, wrote: > We have no budget in buying products to do this > > Is there a other way to get the cloning? > > On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 8:19 PM Alan Altmark, > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson >> wrote: >> > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for >> > Oracle. >> > >> > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ? >> >> How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)? >> Cloning isn't always the best choice. It's sexy and it exploits a lot of >> Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too: Your Linux admins >> have to buy into it. >> >> Alan Altmark >> >> Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant >> IBM Systems Lab Services >> IBM Z Delivery Practice >> ibm.com/systems/services/labservices >> office: 607.429.3323 >> mobile; 607.321.7556 >> alan_altm...@us.ibm.com >> IBM Endicott >> >> >> -- >> For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or >> visit >> http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 >> > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
We have no budget in buying products to do this Is there a other way to get the cloning? On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 8:19 PM Alan Altmark, wrote: > On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson > wrote: > > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for > > Oracle. > > > > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ? > > How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)? > Cloning isn't always the best choice. It's sexy and it exploits a lot of > Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too: Your Linux admins > have to buy into it. > > Alan Altmark > > Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant > IBM Systems Lab Services > IBM Z Delivery Practice > ibm.com/systems/services/labservices > office: 607.429.3323 > mobile; 607.321.7556 > alan_altm...@us.ibm.com > IBM Endicott > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
I'm interested in this too. I am following the read-only root documentation, which is starting to show its age a little (RedPaper redp4322 is good, but copyright 2008), but still has good stuff about gold instances, maintenance and cloning. The other documents I have are the workbooks from some VM and Linux installation classes I've taken, but a lot of the preparation stuff is skipped over. like, where and how to put an ISO. Nothing I've found in any cookbook says how it was done, or what tools I can use to manage or unpack an ISO. BFS? OMVS? RPI? I'm just interested in the latest doc. I'm trying to install ClefOS and manage it as cleanly as possible. R; Rob Hamilton Infrastructure Engineer Chemical Abstracts Service -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Michael MacIsaac Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2019 10:24 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [EXT] Re: zLINUX end user provisioning [Actual Sender is owner-linux-...@vm.marist.edu] Jake, Which cookbook are you using? -Mike M On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson wrote: > Hello > > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning. > > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional. > > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow ? > > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux > guest ? > > Jake > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- -Mike MacIsaac -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 Confidentiality Notice: This electronic message transmission, including any attachment(s), may contain confidential, proprietary, or privileged information from CAS, a division of the American Chemical Society ("ACS"). If you have received this transmission in error, be advised that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. Please destroy all copies of the message and contact the sender immediately by either replying to this message or calling 614-447-3600. -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Jake, This redbook is old, but I'd hope most of it is still pertinent: http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248104.html?Open See Chapter 10 "Automating Oracle on System z" Hope this helps. -Mike On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:34 AM Jake Anderson wrote: > Hi Mike > > I am using > > The Virtualization Cookbook for IBM z Systems Volume 1: IBM z/VM 6.3, > SG24-8147-01 > > I have built Linux and done with LVM part alone . > > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for > Oracle. > > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ? > > Jake > > On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 7:28 PM Michael MacIsaac, > wrote: > > > Jake, > > > > Which cookbook are you using? > > > > -Mike M > > > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello > > > > > > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning. > > > > > > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional. > > > > > > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can > follow > > ? > > > > > > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux > > > guest ? > > > > > > Jake > > > > > > -- > > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 > or > > > visit > > > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > > > > > > -- > > -Mike MacIsaac > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > > visit > > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- -Mike MacIsaac -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
On Wednesday, 12/11/2019 at 03:31 GMT, Jake Anderson wrote: > We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for > Oracle. > > So which is the best way to do cloning alone ? How does your company deploy Linux and Oracle today (on other platforms)? Cloning isn't always the best choice. It's sexy and it exploits a lot of Z functionality, but it comes with a down side, too: Your Linux admins have to buy into it. Alan Altmark Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM Systems Lab Services IBM Z Delivery Practice ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 mobile; 607.321.7556 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Hi Mike I am using The Virtualization Cookbook for IBM z Systems Volume 1: IBM z/VM 6.3, SG24-8147-01 I have built Linux and done with LVM part alone . We are a small shop non SSI and most of the Linux requirements are for Oracle. So which is the best way to do cloning alone ? Jake On Wed, 11 Dec, 2019, 7:28 PM Michael MacIsaac, wrote: > Jake, > > Which cookbook are you using? > > -Mike M > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson > wrote: > > > Hello > > > > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning. > > > > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional. > > > > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow > ? > > > > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux > > guest ? > > > > Jake > > > > -- > > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > > visit > > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > > > > > -- > -Mike MacIsaac > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
Re: zLINUX end user provisioning
Jake, Which cookbook are you using? -Mike M On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 10:20 AM Jake Anderson wrote: > Hello > > I am pretty new to zLINUX provisioning. > > I have used cookbook to build Linux and if functional. > > From the provisioning part untill which chapter of cookbook i can follow ? > > Generally untill which chapter will be followed to provision the Linux > guest ? > > Jake > > -- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or > visit > http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 > -- -Mike MacIsaac -- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@vm.marist.edu with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www2.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390