Re: Lots of questions from someone.
Shadow Daemon wrote: > > > Do you know anything about the technical details of how it works? > > Unfortunately, no. I've been trying to locate some old manuals on MCA > architecture and low-level drivers for it, but IBM barely acknowledges the > existence of old PS/2's, and no one seems to carry any substantial > information about it. > > Hmmm...I wonder if my college library would have anything? I'll get back > to you on this. I've been searching internet sites exclusively thus > far...time to try a few real-world locations. > > > Could you write any code to support it explicitly? > > If I could find some technical information, I could certainly try :) If > nothing else, I could come up with a buggy piece of crap that someone else > could turn into a working driver. > > -matt > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Shadow Daemon, aka mAtT bAlAuN Well, you can try the following MCA-PS/2 Links: http://members.tripod.com/~ps2page/ http://members.aol.com/mcapage0/mcaindex.htm - This one's got a lot of info http://www.dgmicro.com/mca/ - The MCA Linux site, they can probably help with drivers And there's always the newsgroup: comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware -- Jason S Colflesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > Do you know anything about the technical details of how it works? > > Unfortunately, no. Look at the MCA support in linux2.2 - the code is fairly well documented Stuart
Re: Lots of questions from someone.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 03:11:20PM -0500, Shadow Daemon wrote: > > Do you know anything about the technical details of how it works? > > Unfortunately, no. I've been trying to locate some old manuals on MCA > architecture and low-level drivers for it, but IBM barely acknowledges the > existence of old PS/2's, and no one seems to carry any substantial > information about it. Ralf Brown interrupt list may have some info. See here http://www.ctyme.com/rbrown.htm for a searchable version. > > Hmmm...I wonder if my college library would have anything? I'll get back > to you on this. I've been searching internet sites exclusively thus > far...time to try a few real-world locations. I'll have a dig through my accumulated paperwork, and see what I can find. > > > Could you write any code to support it explicitly? > > If I could find some technical information, I could certainly try :) If > nothing else, I could come up with a buggy piece of crap that someone else > could turn into a working driver. > And that is what open source is all about. The quicker you can get something out the door, the sooner other people will help you with it. Al
Re: Lots of questions from someone.
Shadow Daemon wrote: > > Do you know anything about the technical details of how it works? > > Unfortunately, no. I've been trying to locate some old manuals on MCA > architecture and low-level drivers for it, but IBM barely acknowledges the > existence of old PS/2's, and no one seems to carry any substantial > information about it. for any information on ps/2's and microchannel in general post a question on comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware. the microchannel god (that's with a small 'g'!) is peter wendt. pete.
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: > I have spent considerable effort trying to make sure that the Microwindows : > system will run on 16 bit systems, and it should continue to do so, : > although currently the application must be bound with the server : > since we lack UNIX sockets. This limits the application size. : > : : Could you please explain what you mean by the above statement? (bound?...UNIX sockets?) Thank you. In the current implementation, we allow Nano-X clients (otherwise known as graphics applications) to run as separate, normal UNIX/ELKS programs. They perform a network connection to another program, known as the graphics server (X server, Nano-X server, etc). When the connection is on a local machine, a fast limited form known as UNIX sockets can be used for the network connection. If the operating system doesn't support networking (like ELKS), then we also allow the graphics application to be linked with the server directly, and execute a single program. Regards, Greg
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Greg Haerr wrote: > > I have spent considerable effort trying to make sure that the Microwindows > system will run on 16 bit systems, and it should continue to do so, > although currently the application must be bound with the server > since we lack UNIX sockets. This limits the application size. > Could you please explain what you mean by the above statement? (bound?...UNIX sockets?) Thank you. -- Never cross a Dragon, for you are crunchy and taste delicious! My Interests are: Ham Radio (N8MGU) | Opera | Theater | Sailing | Judaica
Re: Lots of questions from someone.
> Do you know anything about the technical details of how it works? Unfortunately, no. I've been trying to locate some old manuals on MCA architecture and low-level drivers for it, but IBM barely acknowledges the existence of old PS/2's, and no one seems to carry any substantial information about it. Hmmm...I wonder if my college library would have anything? I'll get back to you on this. I've been searching internet sites exclusively thus far...time to try a few real-world locations. > Could you write any code to support it explicitly? If I could find some technical information, I could certainly try :) If nothing else, I could come up with a buggy piece of crap that someone else could turn into a working driver. -matt - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Shadow Daemon, aka mAtT bAlAuN I love to eat them smurfies, Smurfies what I love to eat. Bite they ugly heads off, Nibble on they bluish feet.
Re: Lots of questions from someone.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 12:53:33PM -0500, Shadow Daemon wrote: > > > >1) Does ELKS support Micro-channel > > > > No. > > > > > >2) If no are there any plans to support Micro Channel on ELKS > > > > Not at the moment. If you would like to contribute the code I would be happy > > to incorporate it, and help get it working. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't doing everything through the bios > (referencing /dev/bd* instead of /dev/hd*) alleviate the need for separate > micro channel code? I understand that there can be a performance loss > doing it that way, and if the bios is messed up, there wouldn't be any way > of using the system. But are there any other problems, assuming working > bios and decent performance? Yes, it is perfectly possible to get ELKS to boot on a microchannel machine using the BIOS drivers. I used such a machine for a while. On the other hand it is perhaps going to be hard to get other drivers working as most of the rest of the drivers do not use the BIOS totally. To be honest I know very little about MCA, other than that it deals with resource allocation automatically. > > I too am interested in getting ELKS running on microchannel machines...and > thus far, I've been able to boot and to get elks to SEE the microchannel > hard drive as /dev/bda, but that is all. > Do you know anything about the technical details of how it works? Could you write any code to support it explicitly? Al
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On Wed, Jan 26, 2000 at 07:35:32PM +0200, Matti Katila wrote: > > On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Alistair Riddoch wrote: > > >3) Is any one working on a GUI for ELKS, If so what is it called > > > > Yes, the microwindows/nanogui project ran on ELKS in its early stages, > > and may still do. I have not tested it for a while. We could really do with > > someone to keep track of its development, and make sure it can still run on > > ELKS. It is currently moving quite fast so it is hard for me to keep up with > > it and get any real work done. > > Al, don't worry about microwindows/nanogui, even I am looking after them. > =) Thanks, between you and Greg I think you should be able to keep it on track. > > > > >5) Is some one working on a network interface for ELKS > > Not at the moment as far as I know. > > I am interesting simple network like Serial Line Internet Protocol. I > don't know much about IPs but I may focus my attention on that after my > matriculation exam. Ps. What state the serial line code is at the moment? Serial code works fairly well, but suffers a bit from reliability problems at high speed. Al
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> > >1) Does ELKS support Micro-channel > > No. > > > >2) If no are there any plans to support Micro Channel on ELKS > > Not at the moment. If you would like to contribute the code I would be happy > to incorporate it, and help get it working. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't doing everything through the bios (referencing /dev/bd* instead of /dev/hd*) alleviate the need for separate micro channel code? I understand that there can be a performance loss doing it that way, and if the bios is messed up, there wouldn't be any way of using the system. But are there any other problems, assuming working bios and decent performance? I too am interested in getting ELKS running on microchannel machines...and thus far, I've been able to boot and to get elks to SEE the microchannel hard drive as /dev/bda, but that is all. -matt - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Shadow Daemon, aka mAtT bAlAuN I love to eat them smurfies, Smurfies what I love to eat. Bite they ugly heads off, Nibble on they bluish feet.
Re: Lots of questions from someone.
On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Alistair Riddoch wrote: > >3) Is any one working on a GUI for ELKS, If so what is it called > > Yes, the microwindows/nanogui project ran on ELKS in its early stages, > and may still do. I have not tested it for a while. We could really do with > someone to keep track of its development, and make sure it can still run on > ELKS. It is currently moving quite fast so it is hard for me to keep up with > it and get any real work done. Al, don't worry about microwindows/nanogui, even I am looking after them. =) > > >5) Is some one working on a network interface for ELKS > Not at the moment as far as I know. I am interesting simple network like Serial Line Internet Protocol. I don't know much about IPs but I may focus my attention on that after my matriculation exam. Ps. What state the serial line code is at the moment?
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: > >3) Is any one working on a GUI for ELKS, If so what is it called : : Yes, the microwindows/nanogui project ran on ELKS in its early stages, : and may still do. I have not tested it for a while. We could really do with : someone to keep track of its development, and make sure it can still run on : ELKS. It is currently moving quite fast so it is hard for me to keep up with : it and get any real work done. Yes, Microwindows still runs on ELKS. I have tested the v0.86 release. There has been alot of work, including major Makefile changes in the 0.87 prereleases, and I haven't tested ELKS with that yet. I have spent considerable effort trying to make sure that the Microwindows system will run on 16 bit systems, and it should continue to do so, although currently the application must be bound with the server since we lack UNIX sockets. This limits the application size. Regards, Greg
Re: Lots of questions from someone.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 09:01:27PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > For now I'll just answer your fourth question. No you just sent it to me. If you >want to mail the whole list you have to send the mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > I'll reply to your mail by sending it to the list. Then they can answer the rest of >the questions. > > > > >If you do not mind a couple of quick questions > > > >1) Does ELKS support Micro-channel No. > >2) If no are there any plans to support Micro Channel on ELKS Not at the moment. If you would like to contribute the code I would be happy to incorporate it, and help get it working. > >3) Is any one working on a GUI for ELKS, If so what is it called Yes, the microwindows/nanogui project ran on ELKS in its early stages, and may still do. I have not tested it for a while. We could really do with someone to keep track of its development, and make sure it can still run on ELKS. It is currently moving quite fast so it is hard for me to keep up with it and get any real work done. > >4) Am I sending this to the entire list? No. > >5) Is some one working on a network interface for ELKS Not at the moment as far as I know. Al
Lots of questions from someone.
For now I'll just answer your fourth question. No you just sent it to me. If you want to mail the whole list you have to send the mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll reply to your mail by sending it to the list. Then they can answer the rest of the questions. >If you do not mind a couple of quick questions > >1) Does ELKS support Micro-channel >2) If no are there any plans to support Micro Channel on ELKS >3) Is any one working on a GUI for ELKS, If so what is it called >4) Am I sending this to the entire list? >5) Is some one working on a network interface for ELKS >6) Does anyone else know that Tucows for Linux has version >7.something? > >Sorry if I interrupted > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 10:12 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE:call for a README > > >I'll post the corrected README and INSTALL files to the EDP soon. >Thanks Al. > >--Phillip J Rhoades > > > >*** Free voicemail and email, by phone or Web! Free phone calls too! >Get >it today at http://www.myTalk.com *** > > > > *** Free voicemail and email, by phone or Web! Free phone calls too! Get it today at http://www.myTalk.com ***
