Re: Linux for a really old computer
be sure to check out http://web.ukonline.co.uk/cliff.lawson/xtpcs.htm for some useful info on those old amstrads. -brad On Thu, 4 May 2000, Juha Siltala wrote: elks will take two 360k disks: boot and root disks. You can either make them from ready-to-go images or (better for localised keyboards) build your own. J.S. On Wed, 3 May 2000, Jan Dobrucki wrote: Hi, I've gotten more information than I expected. Unfortunately I don't have a manual for my AMSTRAD so I'm not sure what configuration settings I can change. Minix and Elks sound very promissing. Question, do they fit on a floppy with 360Kb of memory? Or do I need a 1.44Mb? Cheers. Jan Dobrucki PS. If any of you got PGP then here's my public key. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQENAzjRd90BYwEIALqnra7+woWJ7dLAqziBBn7Ex14qr6J03QvBnpKBfjYVx1CO KsItrtIgqGxwz8ujmPu8Qa/nXIlegV0/aEr+mHY+Ky3OP8vWcmGfEJ6tLemA7nFF mON4PXV2L7qtJ9Xp1c2SAOd2Bl8W3aPVCIep8GxJtTqi6b4tGhWK23dGQlc0QF+I Rb/6cz8mVpld5c+raIW/S3cd/uuwb3ljNNddVeeMJ1FblwGy31rQR5SdvYE4d7Mq mRtR6bTHPSzx+Vrg4Ms+78TUV59o0OPrLPW6lWI6lHjhsBWVqZB/u2C66sDvTnmk bLs5nHLeRMYIdgdXWGkZar0KaJMh+Sc+cP6w5AMABRG0HEphbiBEb2JydWNraSA8 amRvQHBvY3p0YS5mbT6JARUDBRA40Xfd+Sc+cP6w5AMBAZ4ZB/4zXF3tIcQGxTny U6Su4wYxj1QKKmEfLdTJ7pORcXovWJriAxikWJANaMm1qNoi247VyLr4UV0qlNkF s3SqDfBWMy0yDbdHeOWuJorV6SXNBF2FgAm0QRuvfB0h1bE4czQ4Y1eABGI8V68U RylArRQ8aqev+jb/TRXXIwTTtsvwbrbYwJSfCxfq7qDy070hYgKgZGF60wdMgNTT 9lQiRs7EGMMmBRgdf07hUBjNvjigf5F4Ei3NlRq0MDjs8D8eVdMMoiXn511/j32q DMwSBxA6JBWUNuaqLyj0jN4JxAmuccrSvhv66s5C4ZDx9hUKrhFIw9+zMaQaYt21 81//6tJx =rU6k -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: Linux for a really old computer
elks will take two 360k disks: boot and root disks. You can either make them from ready-to-go images or (better for localised keyboards) build your own. J.S. On Wed, 3 May 2000, Jan Dobrucki wrote: Hi, I've gotten more information than I expected. Unfortunately I don't have a manual for my AMSTRAD so I'm not sure what configuration settings I can change. Minix and Elks sound very promissing. Question, do they fit on a floppy with 360Kb of memory? Or do I need a 1.44Mb? Cheers. Jan Dobrucki PS. If any of you got PGP then here's my public key. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQENAzjRd90BYwEIALqnra7+woWJ7dLAqziBBn7Ex14qr6J03QvBnpKBfjYVx1CO KsItrtIgqGxwz8ujmPu8Qa/nXIlegV0/aEr+mHY+Ky3OP8vWcmGfEJ6tLemA7nFF mON4PXV2L7qtJ9Xp1c2SAOd2Bl8W3aPVCIep8GxJtTqi6b4tGhWK23dGQlc0QF+I Rb/6cz8mVpld5c+raIW/S3cd/uuwb3ljNNddVeeMJ1FblwGy31rQR5SdvYE4d7Mq mRtR6bTHPSzx+Vrg4Ms+78TUV59o0OPrLPW6lWI6lHjhsBWVqZB/u2C66sDvTnmk bLs5nHLeRMYIdgdXWGkZar0KaJMh+Sc+cP6w5AMABRG0HEphbiBEb2JydWNraSA8 amRvQHBvY3p0YS5mbT6JARUDBRA40Xfd+Sc+cP6w5AMBAZ4ZB/4zXF3tIcQGxTny U6Su4wYxj1QKKmEfLdTJ7pORcXovWJriAxikWJANaMm1qNoi247VyLr4UV0qlNkF s3SqDfBWMy0yDbdHeOWuJorV6SXNBF2FgAm0QRuvfB0h1bE4czQ4Y1eABGI8V68U RylArRQ8aqev+jb/TRXXIwTTtsvwbrbYwJSfCxfq7qDy070hYgKgZGF60wdMgNTT 9lQiRs7EGMMmBRgdf07hUBjNvjigf5F4Ei3NlRq0MDjs8D8eVdMMoiXn511/j32q DMwSBxA6JBWUNuaqLyj0jN4JxAmuccrSvhv66s5C4ZDx9hUKrhFIw9+zMaQaYt21 81//6tJx =rU6k -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: Linux for a really old computer
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Jan Dobrucki wrote: Hi folks. I have a little problem. I got an Amstrad PC1640 HD20. Real old. I don't even know how much RAM it has. So tell me, any hope for porting Lunux to it, or do I have to find myself a 386 with 4 MB of RAM? Regards, Jan Dobrucki Hi Jan, Somehow I feel you should get some hints from this list right here! J.S.
RE: Linux for a really old computer
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Kalogirou Harilaos wrote: The amstrad PC1640 has nothing to do this 286 and 386 , it is just an 8086 based machine... The one we are talking about obviously has 20MB harddisk... Try Minix on it. Minix got BSD-licensed a few weeks ago. Jakob
Re: Linux for a really old computer
Hi, I've gotten more information than I expected. Unfortunately I don't have a manual for my AMSTRAD so I'm not sure what configuration settings I can change. Minix and Elks sound very promissing. Question, do they fit on a floppy with 360Kb of memory? Or do I need a 1.44Mb? Cheers. Jan Dobrucki PS. If any of you got PGP then here's my public key. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com mQENAzjRd90BYwEIALqnra7+woWJ7dLAqziBBn7Ex14qr6J03QvBnpKBfjYVx1CO KsItrtIgqGxwz8ujmPu8Qa/nXIlegV0/aEr+mHY+Ky3OP8vWcmGfEJ6tLemA7nFF mON4PXV2L7qtJ9Xp1c2SAOd2Bl8W3aPVCIep8GxJtTqi6b4tGhWK23dGQlc0QF+I Rb/6cz8mVpld5c+raIW/S3cd/uuwb3ljNNddVeeMJ1FblwGy31rQR5SdvYE4d7Mq mRtR6bTHPSzx+Vrg4Ms+78TUV59o0OPrLPW6lWI6lHjhsBWVqZB/u2C66sDvTnmk bLs5nHLeRMYIdgdXWGkZar0KaJMh+Sc+cP6w5AMABRG0HEphbiBEb2JydWNraSA8 amRvQHBvY3p0YS5mbT6JARUDBRA40Xfd+Sc+cP6w5AMBAZ4ZB/4zXF3tIcQGxTny U6Su4wYxj1QKKmEfLdTJ7pORcXovWJriAxikWJANaMm1qNoi247VyLr4UV0qlNkF s3SqDfBWMy0yDbdHeOWuJorV6SXNBF2FgAm0QRuvfB0h1bE4czQ4Y1eABGI8V68U RylArRQ8aqev+jb/TRXXIwTTtsvwbrbYwJSfCxfq7qDy070hYgKgZGF60wdMgNTT 9lQiRs7EGMMmBRgdf07hUBjNvjigf5F4Ei3NlRq0MDjs8D8eVdMMoiXn511/j32q DMwSBxA6JBWUNuaqLyj0jN4JxAmuccrSvhv66s5C4ZDx9hUKrhFIw9+zMaQaYt21 81//6tJx =rU6k -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-
Re: Linux for a really old computer
Hi folks. Hi. Well, looks like there aren't any other folks out there with an answer, so why don't I take a shot at this one :) I have a little problem. I got an Amstrad PC1640 HD20. Real old. Well, really old means a lot of different things to different people. I thought the couple origional IBM PCs I had around were old until I bought a late 70s TRS-80 :) *Anyway*, if it's something old enough that it won't run plain old Linux, but is new enough to be X86 / X88 based, you're in the right place. I don't even know how much RAM it has. So tell me, any hope for porting Lunux to it, or do I have to find myself a 386 with 4 MB of RAM? What do you want in the end, exactly?? Elks and Linux aren't really quite the same, despite what the name implies. Elks doesn't have things like networking that you may want, and due to the type of CPU it's targeted to, memory protection / security really isn't there either. If you want a more advanced Linux install, your 386 suggestion is a good one. If you just want to have a little fun running the old machine, Elks may work for you. I don't know for sure, but I have an Amstrad manual around somewhere for one of their Z80 based (8 bit) machines. If you're still lost, I could see if it just happens to be the sam model. Good luck! Dan
Re: Linux for a really old computer
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Jan Dobrucki wrote: I have a little problem. I got an Amstrad PC1640 HD20. Real old. I don't even know how much RAM it has. So tell me, any hope for porting Lunux to The answer's in the question. It has 640KB of RAM and was sold with a 20MB hard drive. I think the processor was an 8086 and it was one of those "just about" PC compatible clones that were popular for a while. You've no chance of getting Lunux [sic] to run on it, but there's a fair chance ELKS will work. --- Linux- the choice of a GNU generation. -- : Alex Holden (M1CJD)- Caver, Programmer, Land Rover nut, Radio Ham : http://www.linuxhacker.org/
RE: Linux for a really old computer
IF memory serves (This is going back a long way) The Amstrad PC1640 was a 286 or 386. I saw one in operation about 5 years running an accounting package it was Very old then. I think they originally had 720K floppy disks. I do not know about running elks on it as I haven't played with ELKs much myself but I do know a bit about PC. Regards, Rod Boyce -Original Message- From: Dan Olson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2000 18:51 To: Jan Dobrucki Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Linux for a really old computer Hi folks. Hi. Well, looks like there aren't any other folks out there with an answer, so why don't I take a shot at this one :) I have a little problem. I got an Amstrad PC1640 HD20. Real old. Well, really old means a lot of different things to different people. I thought the couple origional IBM PCs I had around were old until I bought a late 70s TRS-80 :) *Anyway*, if it's something old enough that it won't run plain old Linux, but is new enough to be X86 / X88 based, you're in the right place. I don't even know how much RAM it has. So tell me, any hope for porting Lunux to it, or do I have to find myself a 386 with 4 MB of RAM? What do you want in the end, exactly?? Elks and Linux aren't really quite the same, despite what the name implies. Elks doesn't have things like networking that you may want, and due to the type of CPU it's targeted to, memory protection / security really isn't there either. If you want a more advanced Linux install, your 386 suggestion is a good one. If you just want to have a little fun running the old machine, Elks may work for you. I don't know for sure, but I have an Amstrad manual around somewhere for one of their Z80 based (8 bit) machines. If you're still lost, I could see if it just happens to be the sam model. Good luck! Dan
RE: Linux for a really old computer
The amstrad PC1640 has nothing to do this 286 and 386 , it is just an 8086 based machine... The one we are talking about obviously has 20MB harddisk... HarKal
RE: Linux for a really old computer
On Tue, 2 May 2000, Kalogirou Harilaos wrote: The amstrad PC1640 has nothing to do this 286 and 386 , it is just an 8086 based machine... The one we are talking about obviously has 20MB harddisk... ...and the floppy discs were 360K. (I had one until late last year, when I gave it away...) -- Michael "Soruk" McConnell [Eridani Linux 6.1A Now!] Eridani Linux -- The Most Up-to-Date Red Hat-based Linux CDROMs Available Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eridani.co.uk Fax: +44-8701-600807
