Any recommendation for Linux friendly AMD motherboard?
Hi, I am considering upgrading my current machine to an Athlon ThunderBird and would be interested in your recommendations on what motherboards are known to be supported for Linux and what boards should I stay away from. Especially, what do you think about Asus A7V and ABit KT 7A? Personal experience with any of these boards will be more than helpful Sincerely, Yosi _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
linux compatable laptops
Hi All, I want to buy a laptop, but before I do I would like to hear your combined advice on what you think are the better laptops curently available, and which are most 'linux friendly'. Also I wander if anyone has, or knows of a good place in Israel, which sells secondhand laptops of a reasonable spec (500MHz, 128MB RAM) suitable for use running Linux kernal 2.4? Thanks in advance, Alex = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux compatable laptops
On 2001.07.03 12:12 Alex Zelter wrote: Hi All, I want to buy a laptop, but before I do I would like to hear your combined advice on what you think are the better laptops curently available, and which are most 'linux friendly'. Also I wander if anyone has, or knows of a good place in Israel, which sells secondhand laptops of a reasonable spec (500MHz, 128MB RAM) suitable for use running Linux kernal 2.4? Once you reduced the list of notebooks you can look-up its support by linux here: http://www.linux-laptop.net I have just bought an HP Omnibook 6000 and it works very well but you have to compile the kernel a few times till you get it right. Try Harel computers, they might have second hand notebooks as well. regards -- Gabor = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any recommendation for Linux friendly AMD motherboard?
Hi Yosi, Well, Asus A7V works great with Linux at my house - it's my main Linux workstation and so far - everything works including the Promise ATA 100 controller.. However, the ABit KT 7A have HPT chipset, which got a very bad support from it's manufacturer regarding Linux. They don't give docs, and there is a very minimal driver - which won't let you use it's real power (example -RAID 0 using the chip instead of software)... Thanks, Hetz On Tuesday 03 July 2001 09:27, Yosi wrote: Hi, I am considering upgrading my current machine to an Athlon ThunderBird and would be interested in your recommendations on what motherboards are known to be supported for Linux and what boards should I stay away from. Especially, what do you think about Asus A7V and ABit KT 7A? Personal experience with any of these boards will be more than helpful Sincerely, Yosi = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux compatable laptops
Hi Alex, Well, regarding notebooks... IBM line - fully works with Linux - from top to bottom - all peripherals. You even get the LinDVD player if you buy the higher end from notebook's line. Dell - should work out of the box also.. Toshiba - works ok (although there are some problems with their infrared controller on some of their models - regarding linux driver). HP - mostly works. Not sure about all devices being supported though.. Some of those notebooks (90% of them actually) are using a winmodem if you plan to connect using phone line - so be prepared to live with binary module (most of them using the ltmodem module - you can find hacks to compile it under kernel 2.4, since it's originally was written for Redhat 6.1) The new Toshiba's (high end models) are having the GeForce 2go chipset - which will let you use 3D graphics pretty nicely with the binary only drivers from nVidia. Compaq - lots of troubles on their low end notebooks (specially with their AMD line). Never tried their high end... Thanks, Hetz On Tuesday 03 July 2001 12:12, Alex Zelter wrote: Hi All, I want to buy a laptop, but before I do I would like to hear your combined advice on what you think are the better laptops curently available, and which are most 'linux friendly'. Also I wander if anyone has, or knows of a good place in Israel, which sells secondhand laptops of a reasonable spec (500MHz, 128MB RAM) suitable for use running Linux kernal 2.4? Thanks in advance, Alex = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux compatable laptops
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Alex Zelter wrote: Hi All, I want to buy a laptop, but before I do I would like to hear your combined advice on what you think are the better laptops curently available, and which are most 'linux friendly'. I highly recmmend the IBM thinkpad. I have it (model T20), it runs kernel 2.4.5 beautifully and it's a very sexy piece of hardware. If you want to know more, feel free to write to me offlist. -- mulix http://www.advogato.com/person/mulix linux/reboot.h: #define LINUX_REBOOT_MAGIC1 0xfee1dead = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux compatable laptops
Hi I strongly advice you to avoid DELL computer. The service in Israel is very very very bad Shahar - Original Message - From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alex Zelter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: Re: linux compatable laptops Hi Alex, Well, regarding notebooks... IBM line - fully works with Linux - from top to bottom - all peripherals. You even get the LinDVD player if you buy the higher end from notebook's line. Dell - should work out of the box also.. Toshiba - works ok (although there are some problems with their infrared controller on some of their models - regarding linux driver). HP - mostly works. Not sure about all devices being supported though.. Some of those notebooks (90% of them actually) are using a winmodem if you plan to connect using phone line - so be prepared to live with binary module (most of them using the ltmodem module - you can find hacks to compile it under kernel 2.4, since it's originally was written for Redhat 6.1) The new Toshiba's (high end models) are having the GeForce 2go chipset - which will let you use 3D graphics pretty nicely with the binary only drivers from nVidia. Compaq - lots of troubles on their low end notebooks (specially with their AMD line). Never tried their high end... Thanks, Hetz On Tuesday 03 July 2001 12:12, Alex Zelter wrote: Hi All, I want to buy a laptop, but before I do I would like to hear your combined advice on what you think are the better laptops curently available, and which are most 'linux friendly'. Also I wander if anyone has, or knows of a good place in Israel, which sells secondhand laptops of a reasonable spec (500MHz, 128MB RAM) suitable for use running Linux kernal 2.4? Thanks in advance, Alex = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux experts - Jobs offer
A well-founded startup is seeking professional Linux personal. We currently have 2 jobs opening: 1. Linux Kernel Expert - proven experience in kernel development, device drivers development and file system internals. Must have self-learning skills and problems solving attitude. 2. System Administrator and Research - Proven experiences in managing Linux based infrastructure. Familiar with mail, firewalls and backup systems. Research and test systems configuration. Service oriented personality. Generous compensation packages will be offered to the right people. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get your email at http://www.prontomail.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Any recommendation for Linux friendly AMD motherboard?
Hi All I run one of my workstation on Gigabyte GA7ZXR with AMD 1GHZ and its work charmingly with RH7.1 ( didn't tried as server) - Original Message - From: Yosi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 9:27 AM Subject: Any recommendation for Linux friendly AMD motherboard? Hi, I am considering upgrading my current machine to an Athlon ThunderBird and would be interested in your recommendations on what motherboards are known to be supported for Linux and what boards should I stay away from. Especially, what do you think about Asus A7V and ABit KT 7A? Personal experience with any of these boards will be more than helpful Sincerely, Yosi _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (main_buf = *main_buf_p) is not syntacticly like (i = *j) ?
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 12:13:47AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: Thank you for the responses. What I have done wrong is already pointed out. If you are curious what I am trying to do: 1. I wanted to have jmp_buf* passed as a function parameter in order to avoid a global variable. Therefore, in the function body I had to use a local variable and initialize it with this pointer: jmp_buf local_variable = *function_paramter; You're using jmp_buf as an exception throwing mechanism. I'd say it WOULD make sense to have jmp_buf a global (or per-thread, yuck) variable, since exceptions are global by nature. It would be also more portable, unless the standard mandates that jmp_buf is an array -- anyone happens to know if it does? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux experts - Jobs offer
1.Linux Kernel Expert - proven experience in kernel development, device drivers development and file system internals. Must have self-learning skills and problems solving attitude. Ahhm, that will be very hard to find. I had 3 phone calls from companies (I cannot reveal their names, sorry) who were looking for kernel experts. My suggestion is to look for someone who knows networks pretty well, a good knowledge of C, good knowledge at Linux - and give him the oreily books to learn. Thats what we did here at my work. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Backup files with ordinary user.
Hi All I want to backup my servers files using tar from a central Location. To do this im using ssh with RSAauth to log from my backup server to all the other servers. I log using ordinary user to be on the safer side but then I can't read some directories ( for instance: /var/spool/croon - rwx__ ) I thought of few options: 1. adding the ordinary user to root Group 2. add access to some directive like chgrp or chmod 3. tar as root - I don't like this option What is the list suggestions ? -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux experts - Jobs offer
Good days are coming on us as Linux becoming popular ( considering Linux of course :) Your message is like honey to my ears :) -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- - Original Message - From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Linux experts - Jobs offer 1. Linux Kernel Expert - proven experience in kernel development, device drivers development and file system internals. Must have self-learning skills and problems solving attitude. Ahhm, that will be very hard to find. I had 3 phone calls from companies (I cannot reveal their names, sorry) who were looking for kernel experts. My suggestion is to look for someone who knows networks pretty well, a good knowledge of C, good knowledge at Linux - and give him the oreily books to learn. Thats what we did here at my work. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup files with ordinary user.
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi All I want to backup my servers files using tar from a central Location. To do this im using ssh with RSAauth to log from my backup server to all the other servers. I log using ordinary user to be on the safer side but then I can't read some directories ( for instance: /var/spool/croon - rwx__ ) I thought of few options: 1. adding the ordinary user to root Group 2. add access to some directive like chgrp or chmod 3. tar as root - I don't like this option 4. Backup as root locally to somewhere that is accessible by local oridinary user 5. Perform tar as root through ssh, but limit the connection using the commannd= option of the autorised_keys file -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux experts - Jobs offer
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote about Re: Linux experts - Jobs offer: Good days are coming on us as Linux becoming popular ( considering Linux of course :) Your message is like honey to my ears :) Honey in your ears? Doesn't sound like a very good thing ;) -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Jul 3 2001, 12 Tammuz 5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. http://nadav.harel.org.il | = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup files with ordinary user.
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 01:26:08PM +0300, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi All I want to backup my servers files using tar from a central Location. To do this im using ssh with RSAauth to log from my backup server to all the other servers. I log using ordinary user to be on the safer side but then I can't read some directories ( for instance: /var/spool/croon - rwx__ ) I thought of few options: 1. adding the ordinary user to root Group 2. add access to some directive like chgrp or chmod 3. tar as root - I don't like this option What is the list suggestions ? It seems to me that the first and second options can cause or hide more security risks than the third. Why not just tar as root? If what you are worried about is root accessing the network, you could write a script that creates the tar file as root, and then drops priveleges for the actual transmission. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup files with ordinary user.
I think ill use 5 :) ill restrict root to do only tar and only from one IP. How well secured is openssh ? -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- - Original Message - From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ben-Nes Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: linux ILUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Backup files with ordinary user. On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi All I want to backup my servers files using tar from a central Location. To do this im using ssh with RSAauth to log from my backup server to all the other servers. I log using ordinary user to be on the safer side but then I can't read some directories ( for instance: /var/spool/croon - rwx__ ) I thought of few options: 1. adding the ordinary user to root Group 2. add access to some directive like chgrp or chmod 3. tar as root - I don't like this option 4. Backup as root locally to somewhere that is accessible by local oridinary user 5. Perform tar as root through ssh, but limit the connection using the commannd= option of the autorised_keys file -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Any recommendation for Linux friendly AMD motherboard?
Hi. I'm using a Gigabyte (http://www.giga-byte.com/) GA-7ZXR. Most of the gigabyte boards have very nice features, and are very well priced. I think some people say that gigabyte boards are 'cheap', but their latest boards have gotten very positive reviews (I did plenty of research before deciding). They are still nowhere near the status of Asus though. I can say that I have had no problems whatsoever, and have run both 2.2.something and 2.4.3 with no problems. (The optional irda port works great aswell). However, I did have issues with the hardware RAID support. There is an onboard Promise Controller (www.promise.com), which, depending on jumper selection, is either an Ultra100 (ATA-100 controller) or a FastTrak100 (ATA-100 w/RAID). When I used their binary linux RAID driver, I ended up with an unrepairable e2fs partition after like a day or so. The guy who does all the linux-ide stuff (whose Promise drivers works fantastically when the board is not in RAID-mode) (and lots of other people) consider the FastTrak to be fake raid and strongly reccomend against using it. (you can see lengthy discussions on the linux-ide list, if u want :)). I have no idea about availability or support for Gigabyte in Israel (I got my board when I was still living in South Africa). There are also some nice DDR SDRAM boards (7DXR) and probably some other nice series out by now. Check out the site if you are interested. --- Gaven Cohen aka Kinslayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.wastelands.net freelance sysadmin/programmer HABONIM DROR linux, fantasy enthusiast DH/DSS: 0xBCE81437 FD7A F6BD E2E8 6B1F F6AB 7E39 4AC0 96FB BCE8 1437 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (main_buf = *main_buf_p) is not syntacticly like (i = *j) ?
Nadav Har'El wrote: On Tue, Jul 03, 2001, Shaul Karl wrote about Re: (main_buf = *main_buf_p) is not syntacticly like (i = *j) ?: Thank you for the responses. You're welcome. I bet you didn't expect so many correct responses. Well, I take the credit for the first response (my response is dated a whole 55 seconds before Shachar's ;) ) Ok, I get the picture. Two conclusions I can draw from this thread: A. Never sound as if you think a fellow poster doesn't know what he's talking about, esp. not one you know and respect. B. Never stop to check (or, alternatively, set your clock back a minute or two). C. Don't bother with other platforms on a linux only mailing list, even if they are readily available to you. D. Always count the number of points you are going to give AFTER you finish writing them. 1. I wanted to have jmp_buf* passed as a function parameter in order to avoid a global variable. Therefore, in the function body I had to use a local variable and initialize it with this pointer: jmp_buf local_variable = *function_paramter; Why pass a jmp_buf* when you can pass the jmp_buf itself? Since in C arrays are in any case passed as pointers, you don't need the extra layer of indirection. If you're worried that jmp_buf might be some sort of compound type that can't be passed as a parameter, worry no more: remember, setjmp() and longjmp() are functions too, and if they can take a jmp_buf, so can you. (anyway, ANSI C no longer has any problems with passing structures as parameters, so you can pass any type (except void?) as a parameter). jmp_buf is potentially a big variable. After all, it should contain your entire environment. It is also a typedef, so you don't want to trust the fact that it is currently an array (as Nadav pointed out, it is extremely easy to take pointers to arrays without noticing, the reason many people don't distinguish the two). Since that's the case, I would recommend taking the pointer and then derefrencing. I would still go for for Nadav remark two paragraphs down. So I suggest you just give the function a jmp_buf parameter, exactly like setjmp/longjmp have, and forget about this useless copying. BTW, even if you insist on passing a jmp_buf*, you don't need to copy it to do dereference the pointer. You do something like longjmp(*function_parameter); (unless there's another pointer vs. array problem I'm not thinking of right now - I'm too tired to think clearly right now ;)) don't think there is, but havn't stopped to ponder it deeply. 2. The work I am doing is just my homework in a compilation course. .. suppose you have an interactive program that has a main loop that prompts for and executes commands. Suppose the read command reads input from a file, doing some lexical analysis and parsing of the input while processing it. If a low-level input error is detected, it would be useful to be able to return immediately to the main loop instead of having to make each of the lexical analysis, parsing, and processing phases all have to explicitly deal with error situations initially detected by nested calls. Interesting coincidence: the only time I *ever* used longjmp was in an interpreter I wrote, and I used it in the error handler, which had to reset the interpreter's state and continue processing the next statement. Yet another coincidence. I used the longs jumps functions extensively, though through a slightly different interface. The most notable case was a parser too. For those of you wondering - the different interface was in C++, and the function name (operator, actually) was throw. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian/ReiserFS images
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 03:47:51PM +0300, Skliarouk Arie wrote: Hi! Where could I download one please? Well, my home page is a possible first place. if you mean http://bard.org.il/ then it is not what I looked for. I am _marc_. My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] _Could_ it be that my home page is http://www.bard.org.il/~marc? _Could_ it be that the stuff is there? Bye, | ICQ: 43062358 | Fax: (972)-2-6796453 Arie | Phone: (972)-5-432 | http://www.tkos.co.il -- ---MAV Linguists Do It Cunningly Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ---MAV Linguists Do It Cunningly Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux compatable laptops
Hertz I want ask you a question : why compaq give you a lot of trouble i didnt understand Thanks Ariel Ravicovich - Original Message - From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alex Zelter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 4:22 AM Subject: Re: linux compatable laptops Hi Alex, Well, regarding notebooks... IBM line - fully works with Linux - from top to bottom - all peripherals. You even get the LinDVD player if you buy the higher end from notebook's line. Dell - should work out of the box also.. Toshiba - works ok (although there are some problems with their infrared controller on some of their models - regarding linux driver). HP - mostly works. Not sure about all devices being supported though.. Some of those notebooks (90% of them actually) are using a winmodem if you plan to connect using phone line - so be prepared to live with binary module (most of them using the ltmodem module - you can find hacks to compile it under kernel 2.4, since it's originally was written for Redhat 6.1) The new Toshiba's (high end models) are having the GeForce 2go chipset - which will let you use 3D graphics pretty nicely with the binary only drivers from nVidia. Compaq - lots of troubles on their low end notebooks (specially with their AMD line). Never tried their high end... Thanks, Hetz On Tuesday 03 July 2001 12:12, Alex Zelter wrote: Hi All, I want to buy a laptop, but before I do I would like to hear your combined advice on what you think are the better laptops curently available, and which are most 'linux friendly'. Also I wander if anyone has, or knows of a good place in Israel, which sells secondhand laptops of a reasonable spec (500MHz, 128MB RAM) suitable for use running Linux kernal 2.4? Thanks in advance, Alex = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (main_buf = *main_buf_p) is not syntacticly like (i = *j) ?
Adi Stav wrote:
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 12:13:47AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote:
Thank you for the responses.
What I have done wrong is already pointed out.
If you are curious what I am trying to do:
1. I wanted to have jmp_buf* passed as a function parameter in order to avoid
a global variable. Therefore, in the function body I had to use a local
variable and initialize it with this pointer:
jmp_buf local_variable = *function_paramter;
You're using jmp_buf as an exception throwing mechanism. I'd say it WOULD
make sense to have jmp_buf a global (or per-thread, yuck) variable, since
exceptions are global by nature.
Are they
short C++ code:
void A()
{
try
{
class someclass var1(constructor_arguments);
B();
some_more_activities();
} catch( ... )
{
some_exception_code();
}
}
void B()
{
class someotherclass var2( constructor_arguments );
...
C();
}
void C()
{
blah();
if( adi_stav_was_here==true )
throw NOOO(5);
}
If we try to (as CFront used to do) compile this code into C, we see
that the long jump triggered by the throw in function C must stop inside
function B, in order to run the var2 destructor. This catch handler can
then long jump to function A to handle the explicit catch handler.
Conclusion 1 - if you enable exception handling in C++, all your
functions probably carry exception handlers (there are good things to
say for Java's you must declare exceptions syntax).
Conclusion 2 - exceptions are not global, far from it.
For those of you still only programming in C, replace destructor with
cleanup code.
Shachar
P.S.
I am not trying to say there is anything against Adi Stav being here. I
have nothing against Adi Stav in particular, and bearded people in
general. Some of my best friends are Adi Stav.
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Re: (main_buf = *main_buf_p) is not syntacticly like (i = *j) ?
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001 at 03:10:05PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
short C++ code:
void A()
{
try
{
class someclass var1(constructor_arguments);
B();
some_more_activities();
} catch( ... )
{
some_exception_code();
}
}
void B()
{
class someotherclass var2( constructor_arguments );
...
C();
}
void C()
{
blah();
if( adi_stav_was_here==true )
throw NOOO(5);
}
If we try to (as CFront used to do) compile this code into C, we see
that the long jump triggered by the throw in function C must stop inside
function B, in order to run the var2 destructor. This catch handler can
then long jump to function A to handle the explicit catch handler.
I've never used CFront. But why would an implicit exception handler
be different from an explicit one? That could easily be implemented
by having each exception handler keep a pointer to the previous jmp_buf,
restore it once it finishes (either naturally or through exception).
Conclusion 1 - if you enable exception handling in C++, all your
functions probably carry exception handlers (there are good things to
say for Java's you must declare exceptions syntax).
If it makes you happy, I've always considered those kind of safe
destructors the most useful thing in C++, and the lack of useable
exceptions the most annoying feature-lack of C.
Conclusion 2 - exceptions are not global, far from it.
You always have only one active exception handler at a time. That's
what I mean by global. Can you imagine a situation where you'd want to
pass one of two jmp_buf pointers, say, based on the value of a flag?
For those of you still only programming in C, replace destructor with
cleanup code.
Actually I find that a lot of people nowdays start with C++ or Java and
move to C later. Like I did, even though I switched very early
experience-wise.
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Re: linux compatable laptops
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 16:32, Ariel Ravicovich wrote: Hertz Thats Hetz I want ask you a question : why compaq give you a lot of trouble i didnt understand Good question. Their High end stuff is pretty nice, until you come to install their wonderful RAID card which uses the cursed NCR driver (which crashes wonderfully as a module), all the way to the low end notebook (oh, you need a damn MSIE in order to install their drivers, which of course are not available on the net, and they are a damn ActiveX components).. See what I mean? Hetz Thanks Ariel Ravicovich = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup files with ordinary user.
I wonder. Can I hold two privets publics key for one user ? So for one server ill use key 1 and for the second key 2. - Original Message - From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ben-Nes Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: linux ILUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Backup files with ordinary user. On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi All I want to backup my servers files using tar from a central Location. To do this im using ssh with RSAauth to log from my backup server to all the other servers. I log using ordinary user to be on the safer side but then I can't read some directories ( for instance: /var/spool/croon - rwx__ ) I thought of few options: 1. adding the ordinary user to root Group 2. add access to some directive like chgrp or chmod 3. tar as root - I don't like this option 4. Backup as root locally to somewhere that is accessible by local oridinary user 5. Perform tar as root through ssh, but limit the connection using the commannd= option of the autorised_keys file -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup files with ordinary user.
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: I wonder. Can I hold two privets publics key for one user ? So for one server ill use key 1 and for the second key 2. That's the -i option for the ssh client. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Linux experts - Jobs offer
-Original Message- From: Ely Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 2:56 PM To: Ben-Nes Michael Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux experts - Jobs offer I think it's more like linux kernel is badly written messy and not documented which leads to less experts.(no one touchs it unless he have to?) Objection(s): 1. There are few kernel experts in the market. Linux, BSD, Solaris, WinNT/2000 - all of them give application developers pretty good control over the system. Given that, a need in kernel expert ( i.e. kernel level developer, not a kernel troubleshooter ) is not high. I can name only a few areas where kernel level development is really needed - high speed networking, hardware manufacturing, security products. Those do not occupy a huge segment of a market. Thus, a kernel developer is a rare beast, and should be looked for with care. 2. Since I had developed some code for kernel myself, I can argue that while I had seen code that is written better than average code in Linux networking layer ( the one I do work with, sometimes at least ), there is much more code that is written worse, especially in open source. One thing that stands very clear in kernel code is personal opinions of project leaders on how to write and document code. This is true that Linus' personal view on code formatting and the rest of Tao is included with every kernel tarball, but it is not so strictly followed as one can assume. Code written by Don Becker, for example is _very_ different from one written by Alan Cox. After working with both for a while I was able to look at piece of code and to know what part of kernel this one belongs to. So a Linux code is not so bad, it is just very personal. I think that there are other reasons to lesser amount of kernel level developers than, say systems programmers: 1. I did not see many people say Well, I think that building a career on kernel development is a very good choice, so let it be and starting promoting himself as a kernel pro. I guess that those people that do tinker with kernel code are professional programmers that are urged to solve problems that are better dealt with from inside the kernel. It takes time and effort to decide that _kernel_ level development is _really_ needed. 2. Linux' kernel lacked for too many time good written documentation, kernel level source/binary tools, such as debuggers, profiles etc. This turns development for kernel somewhat expensive in terms of programmers time. 3. Linux kernel is distributed under GPL, which may frown many software houses. Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Good days are coming on us as Linux becoming popular ( considering Linux of course :) Your message is like honey to my ears :) -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- - Original Message - From: Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Jobs [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re:Linux experts - Jobs offer 1. Linux Kernel Expert - proven experience in kernel development, device drivers development and file system internals. Must have self-learning skills and problems solving attitude. Ahhm, that willbe very hard to find. I had 3 phone calls from companies (I cannot reveal their names, sorry) who were looking for kernel experts. My suggestion is to look for someone who knows networks pretty well, a good knowledge of C, good knowledge atLinux - and give him the oreily books to learn. Thats what we did here at my work. Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PAM Samba
Hi list! I have a bit of a problem with the pam_smb module. We have here several linux boxen running various stages of Mandrake. all use pam_smb 1.1.6 built on the premises, and all of these work fine. here's an example of /etc/pam.d/login : #%PAM-1.0 auth required /lib/security/pam_securetty.so auth required /lib/security/pam_smb_auth.so #auth required/lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth auth required /lib/security/pam_nologin.so accountrequired /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth password required /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth sessionrequired /lib/security/pam_stack.so service=system-auth sessionoptional /lib/security/pam_console.so with correct configuration in /etc/pam_smb.conf (except that we use only one domain controller). now - we got a new box and installed RH 7.1 and compiled pam_smb 1.16 for it. copied the pam.d/login file, the pam_smb config and let'em rip. except that I cannot make it authenticate properly agains the PDC - this is what the log says (after puting pam_smb into debug mode) : pam_smb: Local UNIX username/password check incorrect. pam_smb: got back 1 username oded login: FAILED LOGIN 1 FROM (null) FOR oded, Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. and that's it. stuck - nothing we can do to make it work. the configuration looks identical to the Mandrake box, PAM is of the same version, we even downloaded the development version of pam_smb (1.9 something - where has all the stables gone ?) and it works great - that is : it generates exactly the same failures :-) would really appreciate any pointers. Oded = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (main_buf = *main_buf_p) is not syntacticly like (i = *j) ?
Isn't is amazing that the same people that jump to your throat when they think that something off-topic is posted, are the same people who will galdly join an off-topic religious war on the list ? Please, stop this Thread, --ury = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: samba
Hi, as you started your old package... type smbd and then type nmbd and its should work. At 17:35 03/07/01 +0200, you wrote: 10x, i did it but now how do i start the deamon itself -Original Message- From: Eran Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 6:19 PM To: mike ray Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: samba Hi Mike, I dont know how you didnt get errors. Usually you have to get errors about samba2.0.7 and smb 2.2 conflicts. So, you didnt get errors so you didnt know. You have to erase the whole samba package first and then compile the new smb 2.2 RPM. I recommend you backup samba's important files before erasing the old package, like: /etc/smbusers, /etc/smbpasswd, smbd, nmbd, smb.conf and etc. After erasing the old package and then compiling the new one (2.2) when you will type: smbd -V you will get this: samba 2.2 At 10:37 02/07/01 +0200, you wrote: i installed RH 7.1 with samba 2.0.7 which comes along with the cd installation, than i wanted to upgrade the samba server to 2.2 so i compiled the files and installed them. now when i go to the samba log - log.smb i can see that when i start the smb service it still shows me 2.0.7, where did i go wrong ??? Michael W Ray IT Manager * G-Connect - Helping ISPs to differentiate www.g-connect.com POB 2200, Herzlyia B, 46120, Israel mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel : + 972 9 960 1130 Mobile : + 972 58 636 545 * Regards, Eran Levy. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebSite: http://www15.brinkster.com/liloboot This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot... Regards, Eran Levy. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebSite: http://www15.brinkster.com/liloboot This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot...
Re: Backup files with ordinary user.
Hi, Read: http://www.openssh.com/security.html At 14:21 03/07/01 +0300, you wrote: I think ill use 5 :) ill restrict root to do only tar and only from one IP. How well secured is openssh ? -- Canaan Surfing Ltd. Internet Service Providers Ben-Nes Michael - Manager Tel: 972-4-6991122 http://sites.canaan.co.il -- - Original Message - From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ben-Nes Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: linux ILUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Backup files with ordinary user. On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Ben-Nes Michael wrote: Hi All I want to backup my servers files using tar from a central Location. To do this im using ssh with RSAauth to log from my backup server to all the other servers. I log using ordinary user to be on the safer side but then I can't read some directories ( for instance: /var/spool/croon - rwx__ ) I thought of few options: 1. adding the ordinary user to root Group 2. add access to some directive like chgrp or chmod 3. tar as root - I don't like this option 4. Backup as root locally to somewhere that is accessible by local oridinary user 5. Perform tar as root through ssh, but limit the connection using the commannd= option of the autorised_keys file -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Eran Levy. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WebSite: http://www15.brinkster.com/liloboot This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mozilla 0.9.2
Hi all mozilla 0.9.2 was out a couple of days ago. I've tried it a bit, and there seems to have greatly improved in the field of memory leaks. With 0.9.1 after an hour of extensive browsing I could easily get the memory usage from around 20MB to around 30MB and much more. On this version I couldn't get it to leak memory (at least: not that fast). The fact that it needs 20MB just to get going is still a con, but at least it won't eat up too much. So I think that mozilla is now worth testing... Another thing I would recommend others to try is skipstone: http://www.muhri.net/skipstone This is a gtk browser that uses the mozilla engine. Unlike Galeon (http://galeon.sf.net) it is not a gnome app that depends on gnome for services. It is built with simplicity in mind. The interface is modiled mainly after older versions of netscape. It lacks many features, but simplicity is another feature, and mozilla is gravely missing it. I also like skipstone's crash-recovery (alsthough I must admit I didn't encounter too much of it). It has many rough edges, but all-in-all it is quote usable, and is faster and a bit smaller than mozilla. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mozilla 0.9.2
On Tue, Jul 03, 2001, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about mozilla 0.9.2: Hi all mozilla 0.9.2 was out a couple of days ago. I've tried it a bit, and there seems to have greatly improved in the field of memory leaks. With 0.9.1 after an hour of extensive browsing I could easily get the memory usage from around 20MB to around 30MB and much more. On this version I couldn't get it to leak memory (at least: not that fast). The fact that it needs 20MB just to get going is still a con, but at least it won't eat up too much. So I think that mozilla is now worth testing... I want to second that. I've been using mozilla since 0.9.0 came out (not too long ago), and stopped using the good-old-Netscape completely when 0.9.1 came out. Mozilla still has a few glitches (I just filed one bug-report today), but they are continuously fixing them. And it works very well with Hebrew, either visual or logical :) Besides, we owe it to the Mozilla team to try out their good (and free) work, and start to drive down that over-90% IE market share I've seen lately... BTW, for a funny Mozilla-vs-IE picture, take a look at http://home.snafu.de/tilman/mozilla/stomps.html -- Nadav Har'El| Tuesday, Jul 3 2001, 13 Tammuz 5761 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |Despite the cost of living, have you http://nadav.harel.org.il |noticed how it remains so popular? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: linux compatable laptops
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Compaq - lots of troubles on their low end notebooks (specially with their AMD line). Never tried their high end... Have used both the E and M series (about a year ago - don't know what their doing now), and both work swell. I had a few problem with XFree on the M Series (have no idea why - they feature the same chips as the E), but except from that they're great. the Es ate Mandrake, RedHat, Turbo Linux and SuSE out of the box, with all the bells and whistles, including great pcmcia and usb support - heard about plug n' play? I've never seen anything perform hot plug as good as these babies do - you can actually change the floppy drive bay (battery, floppy or cd) while the power is on. (I was never on Compaq's pay roll, I swear :-) Oded = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
