Re: StarOffice - Israeli mirror? RPM?
Regarding Staroffice 5.2 installation, here are the details from the book - I did it and it worked well. Note my comments below. [begin quote] Installation Overview: You'll be installing StarOffice on the server, then running a setup file that gets installed on the server, to install StarOffice on clients. The files installed on the server include the following: * Program and help files, including the setup file used to run the client install. * A share directory containing shared resources such as templates, and configuration settings for items like printers. * a SdlSrv directory, separate from the StarOffice directory, contaning files for services and user calendars (a separate, optional install). The files installed on the client include the following: * Programs and help files, including the soffice file used to start StarOffice on the client. *A user directory containing files created by the user on that client (includes modified templates, client-specific configurations, etc.). [snip] Installing StarOffice on the Server [snip] 4. In a Linux or Solaris environment, be sure you're logged in as the user who will be runnig StarOffice. 5. In a terminal wivdow, navigate to the directory on the CD for your operating system, then to the office52 subdirectory; for example, go to /linux/office52/ 6. Type the appropriate command and press Enter: ./setup -net [snip] 12. The installation type window will appear; select Custom Installation and click Next. 13. The Select Insallation Directory window will appear. Enter the directory, new or existing, where you want to install StarOffice. Click Next. Note - If you let StarOffice create the installation directory for you, it will assign fairly restrictive access rights to it. You'll need to apply the appropriate rights to it after installation so you can access the installed setup program. [long snip] Installing StarOffice on Each Client 1. In a Linux or Solaris environment, log into the client computer as the user who will be running StarOffice there. 2. On the client computer, navigate to the office52/program directory *on the server where you installed StarOffice* (You don't need the CD for the client installation). 3. Double-clice the setup file or setup.exe file, or run either of the following commands: ./setup or ./setup.exe Note - If you have problems accessing the file, be sure that the correct access rights are set on the server computer for the client user, especially if you let StarOffice create the installation directory. 3. A welcome window will appear. Click Next [snip] 9. The installation type window will appear. Select Standard Workstation Installation. Click Next. [snip] Starting StarOffice: Multi-User You don't need to start anything on the server except, if you're using it, Schedule Server (which was started automatically). Start StarOffice on each client, either with the program item added to the desktop, or running the setup or setup.exe file in the *client's* StarOffice directory. (The program item won't appear until you restart the client). [end quote] Basically, I run staroffice by running ~/office52/soffice, that's the executable. Hope this helps anybody. The above is taken from the StarOffice 5.2 companion, ISBN 0-13-030703-3. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Problem with installation and SCSI CD/R.
Hi. I have a problem installing Suse 7.3 on my machine (which had suse 7.0). I should say on the outset that this is a PPC machine, but I think the problem is probably not CPU-related, so maybe the experience of people here may help. Basically, I have an internal IDE hard disk (on which I install), an external SCSI hard disk, and an external SCSI cd/r (from which I install). Kernel 2.2.16 (the old one I used) recognizes the SCSI devices without a problem. However, the SuSE installer runs kernel 2.4.12 (I think), and that one displays the devices correctly (e.g. disk at scsi bus 0, id 1, lun 0, cd at...). But then it gets stuck. As if, once recognizing the devices, it can't actually access the CD/R. Once or twice it got past this stage, and into linuxrc, but then linuxrc did not find the CD/R. So, I was thinking that one of two things are possible: 1. This kernel is overly sensitive to SCSI quirks (such as cable length, SCSI ID voodoo, and stuff). 2. The kernel, as compiled by SuSE, lacks some crucial module of which I'm not aware. If the first case is true, I guess I can shorten the cables by replacing my dysfunctional internal SCSI cd/rom with some new device (probably cd/rw, while I'm at it), so I only have one external device and about 1.5 meter less of cable. Of course, this is a bit of an expense with some added problems, such as - is a Yamaha CRW2100SNB supported by kernel 2.4.x). If the second case is true, I need to know what module I'm missing. The external CD/R is an old TEAC (I can find out the exact model once I'm back home). Any help appreciated. Herouth = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Matitiahu Allouche wrote: - does it import Hebrew winWord? Answer: yes! I think IBM deserves a big Shkoyech (cheers? thanks?) for the whole project, even without this critical feature. And this specific feature, is the most important, at least in my humble opinion. Just think about the possibilities that this feature opens... -- Eli Marmor [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO, Founder Netmask (El-Mar) Internet Technologies Ltd. __ Tel.: +972-9-766-1020 8 Yad-Harutzim St. Fax.: +972-9-766-1314 P.O.B. 7004 Mobile: +972-50-23-7338 Kfar-Saba 44641, Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
On Sun, Jan 13, 2002, Eli Marmor wrote about Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew: - does it import Hebrew winWord? Answer: yes! .. And this specific feature, is the most important, at least in my humble opinion. Just think about the possibilities that this feature opens... It opens the possibility that now that you can finally read Hebrew Word files, some annoying Microsoft-addict will send you a Hebrew Powerpoint, MS-Project, or whatever kind of file that you still cannot read ;) I always get people sending me emails with these kinds of formats. I try to convince these people that the formats they are using are formats for *editing*, and since I don't intend to edit the stuff they send me, they should use some sort of hardcopy format, like Postscript or PDF; Not to mention that Postscript and PDF are much more standard, can be viewed or printed on virtually any machine on earth and are much more stable (they don't change radically on every release). But it's like talking to a wall - as far as Microsoft addicts are concerned, Windows is the only OS that exists, and therefore the only relevant standards are the ones Microsoft invent. P.S. If any of you have been trying to use ivrix.org.il in the last few days, the machine is down since Thursday because some smart-alec unplugged it(!). And just when it reached 330 days uptime ;) It should be up and running again by this evening, hopefully. -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Jan 13 2002, 29 Tevet 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |This message contains 100% recycled http://nadav.harel.org.il |characters. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - Israeli mirror? RPM?
I also got hit with this when I tried installing staroffice. Here is a tried-and-tested way of installing staroffice on your linux machine in a normal, unix-like way: 1. su to root 2. run the installation with the -net option, and install in (say) /opt/staroffice6.0 (N.B. Ignore any components the installation fails to register) 3. Exit from root 4. Now that you're yourself again, edit the .sversionrc file in your home directory and REMOVE ALL MENTION of the version you are trying to install (aha!) Rename your staroffice6.0 subdirectory to eatmyshorts6.0 if it exists. 5. Now do a workstation installation: cd /opt/staroffice6.0/program setup (answer all the questions truthfully, please) 6. After the setup completes, logout and login again. The staroffice components will be visible under kde-personal-staroffice6.0 Good Luck - and enjoy the product! -- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Richard Stallman of GNU just published an interesting article on newsforge on the subject, titled We can put an end to Word attachments. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/1711238mode=thread and by the way, KWord can edit hebrew MSWord documents rather decently. Dvir Volk Editor in Chief Nana by NetVision _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel: 03-5652585 | Fax:03-6241952 | http://www.netvision.net.il http://www.nana.co.il NetVision LTD. Omega Center, Matam Haifa 31905 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: I always get people sending me emails with these kinds of formats. I try to convince these people that the formats they are using are formats for *editing*, and since I don't intend to edit the stuff they send me, they should use some sort of hardcopy format, like Postscript or PDF; Not to eyery workstation in the world, at a probability of 90%-95%, has a Word Viewer program of some sort. much less than 20% have a running PDF or Postscript viewers, much less a proper PDF or postscript export filter (those usually cost extra or are plain crappy, like the internal M$ EPS driver) don't be a bonehead please. the solution is plaintext or at the worst case HTML. mention that Postscript and PDF are much more standard, can be viewed or more standardIZED, but not de-facto more popular. P.S. If any of you have been trying to use ivrix.org.il in the last few days, the machine is down since Thursday because some smart-alec unplugged it(!). And just when it reached 330 days uptime ;) the bastard! I can assure you no Alecs are working at Actcom (maybe an Alexei or two), especially not the smart ones. come join forces :) -- (@-Please do NOT cc: me answers posted also to the list //\Send me private mail at YourName (at) ira.abramov.org v_/_ to send me spam please use: cat spam.txt /dev/hda = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Dvir Volk wrote: Richard Stallman of GNU just published an interesting article on newsforge on the subject, titled We can put an end to Word attachments. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/1711238mode=thread and by the way, KWord can edit hebrew MSWord documents rather decently. interesting. it seems like anything I try to load on it (not just Hebrew) explodes, it's not even beta grade. does it save as word at all? because if it saves only as kword, it's not very useful for businesses yet either (apart from the instability) -- (@-Please do NOT cc: me answers posted also to the list //\Send me private mail at YourName (at) ira.abramov.org v_/_ to send me spam please use: cat spam.txt /dev/hda = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Dvir Volk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and by the way, KWord can edit hebrew MSWord documents rather decently. I never managed as much as open Word documents (English) with KWord. If I did, I would not have bothered with StarOffice, most probably... Incidentally, what is the best Linux tool to read RTF (besides StarOffice)? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It opens the possibility that now that you can finally read Hebrew Word files, some annoying Microsoft-addict will send you a Hebrew Powerpoint, MS-Project, or whatever kind of file that you still cannot read ;) Or, as reported on /. recently, a ZIP file containing a PowerPoint presentation containing one slide containing a bitmap image of a scanned printout of an email message... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] If it ain't broken, it has not got enough features yet. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Orange SMS from linux
Hi, Is there currently a working SMS interface to Orange? I would prefer a linux porgram of course. Thanks, Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson Bloomberg L.P., BFM (Israel) 2 hours ahead of London, 7 hours ahead of New York. Tel: 972-(0)3-754-1158 Fax 972-(0)3-754-1236 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2002, Eli Marmor wrote about Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew: - does it import Hebrew winWord? Answer: yes! .. And this specific feature, is the most important, at least in my humble opinion. Just think about the possibilities that this feature opens... It opens the possibility that now that you can finally read Hebrew Word files, For a simple MSWord viewer, try wv. Use it to convert the document to html and view it. Sadly the conversion to latex is not useful currently for hebrew documents, so their automatic conversion to postscript, for instance, won't work with ebrew docs. BTW: wv is being used as an import library of abiword (and of kword?) some annoying Microsoft-addict will send you a Hebrew Powerpoint, MS-Project, or whatever kind of file that you still cannot read ;) With what tools can I read those formats under linux (leaving hebrew aside for the moment) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Orange SMS from linux
On Sun, Jan 13, 2002, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote about Orange SMS from linux: Is there currently a working SMS interface to Orange? I would prefer a linux porgram of course. Thanks, Geoff. You can try my SendSMS program (it's Perl, and works on Linux of course) from http://nadav.harel.org.il/software/sendsms There's also Alon Altman's version of my backend, in sourceforge (project ilsendsms, if I remember correctly). These programs are used to send SMS messages to any Israeli cellphone (Cellcom, Orange, Pelephone or Amigo) from any web-connected computer. -- Nadav Har'El| Sunday, Jan 13 2002, 29 Tevet 5762 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone: +972-53-245868, ICQ 13349191 |A conclusion is simply the place where http://nadav.harel.org.il |you got tired of thinking. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NFS and VFAT file system :
RedHat 7.1, FAT32 partition is mounted as /dev/hda6 /data vfat noexec,nodev,nosuid,rw,uid=500,gid=8000 0 0 But I can't export it (or more accurate, I can't mount it) while exporting a dirctory under / filesystem works fine. Can anyone reference me ? Thank you, Iftach This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, and you are requested to delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
and by the way, KWord can edit hebrew MSWord documents rather decently. interesting. it seems like anything I try to load on it (not just Hebrew) explodes, it's not even beta grade. does it save as word at all? because if it saves only as kword, it's not very useful for businesses yet either (apart from the instability) with koffice 1.1 i've managed to open Word97 files without a problem (haven't tried Word2000 yet, but the koffice site states that kword can also import Word2000 files in a good level of support, although it can't export to word format.). but true enough, kword is unstable and inconvenient. Dvir Volk Editor in Chief Nana by NetVision _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel: 03-5652585 | Fax:03-6241952 | http://www.netvision.net.il http://www.nana.co.il NetVision LTD. Omega Center, Matam Haifa 31905 To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GeForce2 MX 200 + TV OUT anonymous
I bought this card from unknown manufacturer - is it matter ? It seem to be running but once I executed OpenGL application (/usr/bin/bounce from mesa-demos) it stacked after few seconds. XF86configuration-4 is (I home) fine - I changed the device to nvidia, removed GLcore module and added glx and so on (their RPM have a nice README). Is the equivalent card from say, ASUS, will be better ? Can anyone send me his configuration file ? My board is ASUS, AMD K6 II 350. Redhat 7.1. It took IRQ 10. I have in addition a modem, ISA SCSI poor Ethernet card some SB. Thank you ~~~ One Galileo in two thousand years is enough. [Pope Pius XII] ~~~ Iftach Hyams E.S.L. Haifa 972 - 4 - 831 5605 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This e-mail message has been sent by Elbit Systems Ltd. and is for the use of the intended recipients only. The message may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any use, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited, and you are requested to delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GeForce2 MX 200 + TV OUT anonymous
Hi Iftach, On Sunday 13 January 2002 17:19, Iftach Hyams wrote: I bought this card from unknown manufacturer - is it matter ? It seem to be running but once I executed OpenGL application (/usr/bin/bounce from mesa-demos) it stacked after few seconds. XF86configuration-4 is (I home) fine - I changed the device to nvidia, removed GLcore module and added glx and so on (their RPM have a nice README). Is the equivalent card from say, ASUS, will be better ? Can anyone send me his configuration file ? Well, I don't know which of the binary drivers did you try - the 2313/2314 ones? they should work ok... As for crashing after few seconds - see the documentation about the NvAgp option there and try the options there. Also - if you intend to use the binary only nvagp module (it doesn't appear on lsmod) - then make sure that you didn't compile in your kernel agpgard and that it's not loaded (you can check it with lsmod AFTER you started X)... Then, you can do: cat /proc/nv/card0 - my output is this: hetz]$ cat /proc/nv/card0 - Driver Info - NVRM Version: NVIDIA NVdriver Kernel Module 1.0.2314 Fri Nov 30 19:33:20 PST 2001 Compiled with: gcc version 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-98) -- Card Info -- Model:GeForce2 Ti IRQ: 11 Video BIOS: 03.15.01.04 -- AGP Info --- AGP status: Enabled AGP Driver: NVIDIA Bridge: Generic Intel SBA: Supported [disabled] FW: Supported [disabled] Rates:4x 2x 1x [4x] Registers:0x1f000217:0x0104 (this is on a GeForce 2 card).. As for your tv out feature - you can use it if you have twin-view feature (look at the box or at the windows drivers if its enabled) and then you can use it as a 1 big X server divided to 2 screens (no Xinerama needed so you get full 3D on both screens and Xv extension supported) - but be careful - some cards got both TV out and VGA - while you can use only one of them, like my card. OTOH it's kinda weird to boot my Linux and use my old 14 television to see the text use KDE ;) Hetz = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Hi Dvir, I respect MR. Stallman opinion, but I still say he's lunatic and I really don't care how much flames I'll get. I'm looking at the real world here in Israel for example - I'm unmployeed and whenever I'm trying to send my CV as a text, HTML or PDF I get shouts from the HR department that my CV is unreadable or unprintable - when I send then Word 97 document - they're happy... BTW - since you're the editor in Nana, then allow me to take this chance and to ask Nana to either upgrade or do something about their Chats applets - it's only running on Netscape 4.X (which crashes a lot) and I cannot use it not with Sun's latest JRE, nor with IBM's JRE - so I can't use it in Konqueror, Galeon, Mozilla, Opera and others. Same goes to Mac users... Could someone upgrade it please? I know that Netfun (a.k.a - the bastards) supplied you with only that version - but for the price that you pay for this applet ($1,000!) I think you deserve an upgrade to more-standards JRE's.. Hetz On Sunday 13 January 2002 15:15, Dvir Volk wrote: Richard Stallman of GNU just published an interesting article on newsforge on the subject, titled We can put an end to Word attachments. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/1711238mode=thread and by the way, KWord can edit hebrew MSWord documents rather decently. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with installation and SCSI CD/R.
Hi. I have a problem installing Suse 7.3 on my machine (which had suse 7.0). I should say on the outset that this is a PPC machine, but I think the problem is probably not CPU-related, so maybe the experience of people here may help. Basically, I have an internal IDE hard disk (on which I install), an external SCSI hard disk, and an external SCSI cd/r (from which I install). Kernel 2.2.16 (the old one I used) recognizes the SCSI devices without a problem. However, the SuSE installer runs kernel 2.4.12 (I think), and that one displays the devices correctly (e.g. disk at scsi bus 0, id 1, lun 0, cd at...). But then it gets stuck. As if, once recognizing the devices, it can't actually access the CD/R. Once or twice it got past this stage, and into linuxrc, but then linuxrc did not find the CD/R. So, I was thinking that one of two things are possible: 1. This kernel is overly sensitive to SCSI quirks (such as cable length, SCSI ID voodoo, and stuff). If 2.2.16 worked with this CD rom and you did not change the hardware then cabling problems is not much likely. What is the behavior with MS (in case you have it installed)? 2. The kernel, as compiled by SuSE, lacks some crucial module of which I'm not aware. If the first case is true, I guess I can shorten the cables by replacing my dysfunctional internal SCSI cd/rom with some new device (probably cd/rw, while I'm at it), so I only have one external device and about 1.5 meter less of cable. Of course, this is a bit of an expense with some added problems, such as - is a Yamaha CRW2100SNB supported by kernel 2.4.x). If the second case is true, I need to know what module I'm missing. The external CD/R is an old TEAC (I can find out the exact model once I'm back home). You might try to compare the .config of the 2.2 and the 2.4 kernels. Any help appreciated. Herouth Perhaps the scsitools package can help? The CD-ROM HOWTO? Posting the relevant boot messages? -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(at-no-spam)bezeqint.net Please replace (at-no-spam) with an at - @ - character. (at-no-spam) is meant for unsolicitate mail senders only. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with installation and SCSI CD/R.
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Shaul Karl wrote: suse 7.0). I should say on the outset that this is a PPC machine, but What is the behavior with MS (in case you have it installed)? well, when you find MSwin for PPC on the shelf, tell me. Herouth: ppc is quite rare in Israel, and you haven't even said if we're talking here about a Mac, IBM RS6000 or something else. I think higher quality support and info will be found in some LinuxPPC forum or mailing list... Good luck. -- (@-Please do NOT cc: me answers posted also to the list //\Send me private mail at YourName (at) ira.abramov.org v_/_ to send me spam please use: cat spam.txt /dev/hda = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Hi about stallman's article - as always, he's not a lunatic but an idealist. but the anti-word movement must come from the users, even MS users: personally, i hate word attachments mainly because they are big and tend to eat out my memory when i work with win98 on my office computer. i edit articles only on notepad (word's speller sucks anyway), and so do most of my employees. when exchanging documents over mail i encourage all our staff to use plain inline text, if they want a response within less than a two days ;-). because there's nothing like receiving a 1MB attachment with a single page document containing three lines and a .bmp company logo. and if HR people will only understand that, we'd all be better off. about our chat - i've already asked our chat admin to ask netfun for a version that will work on all platforms. meanwhile you can make do with the advanced chat we have - i know it kinda sucks, but it's better than nothing. hope netfun will provide us with a new version soon. i'll notify this list when he does... cheers, Dvir Volk Editor in Chief Nana by NetVision _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Tel: 03-5652585 | Fax:03-6241952 | http://www.netvision.net.il http://www.nana.co.il NetVision LTD. Omega Center, Matam Haifa 31905 -Original Message- From: Hetz Ben Hamo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:00 PM To: Dvir Volk; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew Hi Dvir, I respect MR. Stallman opinion, but I still say he's lunatic and I really don't care how much flames I'll get. I'm looking at the real world here in Israel for example - I'm unmployeed and whenever I'm trying to send my CV as a text, HTML or PDF I get shouts from the HR department that my CV is unreadable or unprintable - when I send then Word 97 document - they're happy... BTW - since you're the editor in Nana, then allow me to take this chance and to ask Nana to either upgrade or do something about their Chats applets - it's only running on Netscape 4.X (which crashes a lot) and I cannot use it not with Sun's latest JRE, nor with IBM's JRE - so I can't use it in Konqueror, Galeon, Mozilla, Opera and others. Same goes to Mac users... Could someone upgrade it please? I know that Netfun (a.k.a - the bastards) supplied you with only that version - but for the price that you pay for this applet ($1,000!) I think you deserve an upgrade to more-standards JRE's.. Hetz On Sunday 13 January 2002 15:15, Dvir Volk wrote: Richard Stallman of GNU just published an interesting article on newsforge on the subject, titled We can put an end to Word attachments. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/01/10/1711238mode=thread and by the way, KWord can edit hebrew MSWord documents rather decently. To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi Dvir, I respect MR. Stallman opinion, but I still say he's lunatic and I really don't care how much flames I'll get. I'm looking at the real world here in Israel for example - I'm unmployeed and whenever I'm trying to send my CV as a text, HTML or PDF I get shouts from the HR department that my CV is unreadable or unprintable - when I send then Word 97 document - they're happy... What about RTF? It generally takes more place (due to a very inefficient encoding of hebrew. Something in the lines of quoted-printable) but it is readable by any decent word processor (word95/7/0/xp, qtext, etc.) In fact, maybe you can simply take an RTF document, give it a .doc extension, and feed it to word as a word document (this is roughly what word200's hebrew word97/95 export filter does) Arguments that can be raised against using MS-Word: 1. non-standard 2. too-powerful: may carry macro virii 3. bloated: takes too much space Other alternatives: Text: Probably the most standard. Anybody with a certain degree of hebrew support in the OS can read a ISO-8850-8-i/CP1255 hebrew text file. It also has the advantage of having a minimal space consumption. Problems: * Bad at saving formatting (although not as bad as people think). Export routines of word processors can preserve paragraphs, numbering and bullts. But probably cannot preserve *emphasys* * Not always trivial to use text from there (espcially if it has complex formatting) HTML: Text with some formatting. When used efficiently can produce relatively compact text files. Can preserve at least most of the formatting (at least the important bits). Problems: * Word2000's HTML export tends to be quite bloated (but not as the original document, I believe) * When explorer is used to read HTML files, they are not safe of ms-integration-virii * Not always trivial to use text from there (espcially if it has complex formatting) PDF: A read-only text format that preserves almost all of the formatting. Can be made quite compact. Problems: * A read-only format (Spare me the notes that it is not exactly true). Although for some uses it is an advantage * A viewer for that format is not common enough. * Most windows users don't have the software to produce a compact hebrew PDF document. PostScript: Genrally the same advantages and disadvantages of PDF. The viewer is even less common, and the format is a bit less rich (e.g: URLs) RTF: This basically preserves the formatting, and allows further editing. Problems: size is bloated. I'm not sure about virii. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with installation and SCSI CD/R.
Hi! I have A SCSI CDRW on a regular Intell system with SuSE 7.3. I did the text mode install with yast1 from diskette. After the inital boot, it asks if you have any modules to install. Well, you sure do. Say yes, and you are asked to use the second diskette to select modules for your SCSI peripherals. At the end of the day, it creates an initrd image with these things built in so you can see them after a normal boot (otherwise you have to insmod everything by hand!). Most of this stuff is covered in the supplied Reference Manual. One gotcha: mkinitrd is NOT supplied with SuSE. They have there own thing called mk_initrd which does much the same thing. I found 7.1 and 7.3 to be quite different from 7.0 in the way it does this stuff - probably because of the move from the 2.2.x to the 2.4.x kernels. Bottom line is that once you have preselected the modules for your SCSI CDR, you can then use it for the rest of the install. Regards, DAF Shaul Karl wrote: Hi. I have a problem installing Suse 7.3 on my machine (which had suse 7.0). I should say on the outset that this is a PPC machine, but I think the problem is probably not CPU-related, so maybe the experience of people here may help. Basically, I have an internal IDE hard disk (on which I install), an external SCSI hard disk, and an external SCSI cd/r (from which I install). Kernel 2.2.16 (the old one I used) recognizes the SCSI devices without a problem. However, the SuSE installer runs kernel 2.4.12 (I think), and that one displays the devices correctly (e.g. disk at scsi bus 0, id 1, lun 0, cd at...). But then it gets stuck. As if, once recognizing the devices, it can't actually access the CD/R. Once or twice it got past this stage, and into linuxrc, but then linuxrc did not find the CD/R. So, I was thinking that one of two things are possible: 1. This kernel is overly sensitive to SCSI quirks (such as cable length, SCSI ID voodoo, and stuff). If 2.2.16 worked with this CD rom and you did not change the hardware then cabling problems is not much likely. What is the behavior with MS (in case you have it installed)? 2. The kernel, as compiled by SuSE, lacks some crucial module of which I'm not aware. If the first case is true, I guess I can shorten the cables by replacing my dysfunctional internal SCSI cd/rom with some new device (probably cd/rw, while I'm at it), so I only have one external device and about 1.5 meter less of cable. Of course, this is a bit of an expense with some added problems, such as - is a Yamaha CRW2100SNB supported by kernel 2.4.x). If the second case is true, I need to know what module I'm missing. The external CD/R is an old TEAC (I can find out the exact model once I'm back home). You might try to compare the .config of the 2.2 and the 2.4 kernels. Any help appreciated. Herouth Perhaps the scsitools package can help? The CD-ROM HOWTO? Posting the relevant boot messages? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: StarOffice - IBM's Hebrew
Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net On Sun, 13 Jan 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: What about RTF? It generally takes more place (due to a very inefficient encoding of hebrew. Something in the lines of quoted-printable) but it is readable by any decent word processor (word95/7/0/xp, qtext, etc.) In fact, maybe you can simply take an RTF document, give it a .doc extension, and feed it to word as a word document (this is roughly what word200's hebrew word97/95 export filter does) Why would you need to change the extension? Word reads rtf as-is. So does Wordpad = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking to buy: cat5 cable + a crimping tool + RJ45 (male) connectors?
Networking hardware: Is there someone on this list who would like to sell me some of the above stuff? I am aware to the `Where to buy home network' thread from mid September (http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Linux/maillists/01/09/msg00211.html). I just hope that buying ODAFIM from people here would be a bargain. I live in Tel-Aviv. I am willing to pay the postal cost if not being near by stop someone from offering his stuff. -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(at-no-spam)bezeqint.net Please replace (at-no-spam) with an at - @ - character. (at-no-spam) is meant for unsolicitate mail senders only. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Looking to buy: cat5 cable + a crimping tool + RJ45 (male) connectors?
Shaul, Har Tzion street near Central Bus Station in T.A. has a number of a small electronics shops which have everything you need, and at decent prices (comparing to computer shops). You may want to shop there before looking elsewhere. Haim. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shaul Karl Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:58 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Looking to buy: cat5 cable + a crimping tool + RJ45 (male) connectors? Networking hardware: Is there someone on this list who would like to sell me some of the above stuff? To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
