Re: NICC - Israel Cable Connector

2007-08-19 Thread Dan Fruehauf
On Saturday 18 August 2007 16:22, you wrote:
Hey,

A. it's all bash, so there's like no need to really publish a source RPM
B. i added a tar.gz archive, but as i said, it's probably not useable on 
debian, yet!
C. it's noarch now, thanks for bringing my awareness

And - I'm going to maintain and response quickly to feedbacks.
I can feel the pain of novice users having troubles connecting their linux to 
our lame israeli cable infrastructure.

Dan.

 Cool man!
 but.. :
 A. Why not the source also?
 B. What about debian users?
 C. Isn't it just bash? then why it's i386 and not noarch?

 On Friday, 17 August 2007 17:03:31 you wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I didn't write over here for a while :)
 
  Anyway, I know some users might be frustrated with the PPTP cable
  connection of several ISPs around in israel, newbies for instance...
  Fortunately i wrote a bunch of scripts which simplifies the whole
  process. Oh, and, umn, it's customized for fedora / rhel / centos distros
  - but should there be any interest, I'll sit down and port it to other
  distros just as well.
 
  The concept is pretty simple - the configuration you need to fill up is
  just your username, password and ISP. Generally it should plugged in into
  your /etc/inittab to make sure your connection is always up...
 
  And I almost forgot - the script suites newbies excellently!!!
 
  Anyway, just try it out, and send me some feedback :
  www.nevela.com/nicc/
 
  Dan.
 
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[OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread Gadi Cohen
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/894512.html


In short: There is a law presently being passed that will give the
police free access to all phone numbers, IP addresses, etc, creating the
largest such database for police use in the entire Western World (i.e.
Israel will set a new precedent for what is allowable in a democracy,
using totalitarian policies as inspiration).


This really worries me.  Not that I am a terrorist or criminal warlord
who is worried in a disruption of my activities, but in that I consider
it a major invasion of my privacy and a very bad direction for Israel to
go in.  I am therefore writing for two reasons:


1) To make you know about this proposed law.


2) To find out what we do to prevent it (assuming others are as troubled
as I am).


In my mind, there are very good reasons why in democracies, the police
need to obtain a warrant or court order for sensitive information. 
Privacy is a basic liberty which needs to be protected.  Not only that,
such a system is bound to be abused, at first a little until such abuse
is common place.  All in all, a very downward spiral for the State.


Other thoughts are of course welcome.


Gadi

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Help in reproducing a Firefox bug.

2007-08-19 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi all!

A few days ago, I reported this Firefox bug:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=392339

I'd like some help in trying to reproduce it on various systems. (Including 
non-Linux ones). Before you do, please read all the comments, because one 
needs to install some extensions first.

To reproduce:

1. Install the latest Flash plugin.

2. Install the following extensions:

2.1 - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 (firebug)

2.2 - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/748 (Greasemonkey)

2.3 - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4287 (Split Browser)

3. Restart Firefox.

4. Follow the instructions on the bug report.

Thanks in advance,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham

On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Gadi Cohen wrote:


Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:03:09 +0300
From: Gadi Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: IGLU Mailing list linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/894512.html


In short: There is a law presently being passed that will give the
police free access to all phone numbers, IP addresses, etc, creating the
largest such database for police use in the entire Western World (i.e.
Israel will set a new precedent for what is allowable in a democracy,
using totalitarian policies as inspiration).


This really worries me.  Not that I am a terrorist or criminal warlord
who is worried in a disruption of my activities, but in that I consider
it a major invasion of my privacy and a very bad direction for Israel to
go in.  I am therefore writing for two reasons:


1) To make you know about this proposed law.


Thanks, already read about it in Haaretz like most folks on this list.


2) To find out what we do to prevent it (assuming others are as troubled
as I am).


To prevent the law, probably nothing. To subvert it - anonimyzers, 
encrypted file systems and and encrypted email.



In my mind, there are very good reasons why in democracies, the police
need to obtain a warrant or court order for sensitive information.
Privacy is a basic liberty which needs to be protected.  Not only that,
such a system is bound to be abused, at first a little until such abuse
is common place.  All in all, a very downward spiral for the State.


The stegonographic and encryption technologoes to subvert the law are 
already freely available open source.


   - yba





Other thoughts are of course welcome.


Gadi




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Re: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In addition, stop using your ISP's email, use either GMAIL or HOTMAIL or 
whatever you like. As YBA suggested, encrypt email. Use steganography. Use 
pigeons.

Smile at the camera, while you're at it.

Marc

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Re: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef

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Use pigeons.


Sorry, we've had all the pigeons wired last week.

This change takes away the illusion of privacy you had nothing more.

Gilad

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Re: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread Nadav Har'El
 On Sun, 19 Aug 2007, Gadi Cohen wrote:
 In short: There is a law presently being passed that will give the
 police free access to all phone numbers, IP addresses, etc, creating the
 largest such database for police use in the entire Western World (i.e.
 Israel will set a new precedent for what is allowable in a democracy,
 using totalitarian policies as inspiration).

It's been just over 225 years since the American War of Independence is over,
And americans are just now starting to forget why the fourth amendment to
their constitution ([1]) was needed. In Israel, we never understood it in the
first place.
[1] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

When you see your government (in the American case, the British government
before the revolution) abuse their search rights and use them for unreasonable
purposes, you understand why such an amendment is necessary. In Israel,
we apparently have no such traumatic memories (we have far more traumatic
memories from just before our independence, unfortunately), so people are
far less opposed to giving the police more search power. It doesn't make us a
totalitarian state, unless the police actually (ab)uses this power, and so
far, I don't think that it actually does.


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Re: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread Amos Shapira
On 20/08/07, Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 far less opposed to giving the police more search power. It doesn't make
 us a
 totalitarian state, unless the police actually (ab)uses this power, and so
 far, I don't think that it actually does.


There is also the issue of having all the information about you concentrated
in one place, open for corrupt officials to give/sell away to anyone who
wants to know this stuff about you.

It's already mostly there with the Identification Number being a single
join field on everything written about you - from your birth certificate
through your school marks, your army records, your rental agreements, bank
records, national insurance, any club membership your have etc. etc.

As far as I followed the article, the new law is just going to make it even
easier to track you.

BTW - all this cryptography and stenography stuff is not the point - I
suppose none of us in this forum are criminals that have anything to hide.
But as law abiding citizens we are now even more exposed to criminals having
more information about us - e.g. someone who gathers enough information
about you can start pretending to be you and get credit cards on your name,
or know that you are away from home for a period and break into it, knowing
exactly what to look for because they also found your credit card or
warranty records, etc.

--Amos


Re: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread Moshe Leibovitch

I'm wonder if the Israeli law allows you to
encrypt your communications over public channels.
I wouldn't shock me to find out the even this discussion is illegal :)

On 20/08/2007 01:03, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 20/08/07, *Nadav Har'El* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


far less opposed to giving the police more search power. It doesn't
make us a
totalitarian state, unless the police actually (ab)uses this power,
and so
far, I don't think that it actually does.


There is also the issue of having all the information about you 
concentrated in one place, open for corrupt officials to give/sell away 
to anyone who wants to know this stuff about you.


It's already mostly there with the Identification Number being a single 
join field on everything written about you - from your birth 
certificate through your school marks, your army records, your rental 
agreements, bank records, national insurance, any club membership your 
have etc. etc.


As far as I followed the article, the new law is just going to make it 
even easier to track you.


BTW - all this cryptography and stenography stuff is not the point - I 
suppose none of us in this forum are criminals that have anything to 
hide. But as law abiding citizens we are now even more exposed to 
criminals having more information about us - e.g. someone who gathers 
enough information about you can start pretending to be you and get 
credit cards on your name, or know that you are away from home for a 
period and break into it, knowing exactly what to look for because they 
also found your credit card or warranty records, etc.


--Amos



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Re: [OT] Online privacy, police to have free access to IP addresses

2007-08-19 Thread Marc Volovic
IANAL, but if I remember correctly, the answer is that it is not only forbidden 
to encrypt a message, it is even forbidden to modulate a message (i.e. change 
the signal), without due permission from the relevant ministry.

In effect, by using such problematic and scurrilous items as voice mail 
systems, cellular phones and so forth, we all are risking being sent to the 
nach und nebel.

M

- Moshe Leibovitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm wonder if the Israeli law allows you to
 encrypt your communications over public channels.
 I wouldn't shock me to find out the even this discussion is illegal
 :)
 
 On 20/08/2007 01:03, Amos Shapira wrote:
  On 20/08/07, *Nadav Har'El* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
      far less opposed to giving the police more search power. It
 doesn't
      make us a
      totalitarian state, unless the police actually (ab)uses this
 power,
      and so
      far, I don't think that it actually does.
  
  
  There is also the issue of having all the information about you 
  concentrated in one place, open for corrupt officials to give/sell
 away 
  to anyone who wants to know this stuff about you.
  
  It's already mostly there with the Identification Number being a
 single 
  join field on everything written about you - from your birth 
  certificate through your school marks, your army records, your
 rental 
  agreements, bank records, national insurance, any club membership
 your 
  have etc. etc.
  
  As far as I followed the article, the new law is just going to make
 it 
  even easier to track you.
  
  BTW - all this cryptography and stenography stuff is not the point -
 I 
  suppose none of us in this forum are criminals that have anything to
 
  hide. But as law abiding citizens we are now even more exposed to 
  criminals having more information about us - e.g. someone who
 gathers 
  enough information about you can start pretending to be you and get
 
  credit cards on your name, or know that you are away from home for a
 
  period and break into it, knowing exactly what to look for because
 they 
  also found your credit card or warranty records, etc.
  
  --Amos
  
 
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