Re: question about mailing list

2007-09-05 Thread Michael Tewner
That sounds like a scary command...

step 1: Sign up for moderated list
step 2: Get email addresses of all users
step 3: Profit!

On 9/4/07, sara fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I lost an email of someone. What is the command in this list to
 retrieve all the emails of the users in the list.

 Thanks in advance

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Re: MSI Laptops under Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Daniel Feiglin wrote:
 Has any one tried running MSI Laptops under Linux?

 Specifically has anyone tried the VR600 model?

 What's interesting about it:
 1. It's not too expensive
 2. You can buy it locally without a pre-installed OS
 3. The reseller (in this case Ivory) claims that they support it at
 their various centers i.e. you're not stuck with a third party importer
 with one location here.

 Thanks,

 DAF


   
For Sara Fink:

Oron's remarks about Ivory are correct. You can see the details at of
the VR600 here:

http://www.ivory.co.il/product.asp?productid=427CatCode=315

Note that the price is for the dual core. It's always worth getting a
price quotation with specific h/w details. You can buy over the Internet
- but I wouldn't for this. Sitting across the table from a sales rep can
give better results.

About drivers etc - surely that depends on what's on the MB? This thing
uses known components, AMI BIOS. In any event, I posted my query to
find out about specific known gotchas.

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OT: ATI Driver annoucments

2007-09-05 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi people,

I just got this, and I thought it should interest ATI graphics card owners.

Thanks,
Hetz

-- Forwarded message --
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 05-Sep-2007 07:17
Subject: Phoronix Forums: AMD Linux Announcement
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


hetz

This is an automated message reminding you of your subscription on the
Phoronix Forums.

We also wanted to let you know that Advanced Micro Devices has
officially announced their new Linux driver this morning, which is a
overhaul of their existing Linux graphics driver. The AMD fglrx 8.41
(Catalyst 7.9) driver introduces Radeon HD 2000 R600 support as well
as massive performance improvements for all supported generations of
ATI graphics processors. This new driver is not available today, but
it will be made available within the next week. Though at Phoronix we
have been using and testing this new driver now for a number of weeks.

Below are the articles we have just published today about this new
ATI/AMD Linux driver.

AMD 8.41 Display Driver Preview -- Our first article on this new
driver are simply the technical details such as noting this driver has
been actually in development for over a year, the AIGLX support that
is coming next month, and other relevant information.

Read More: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10955

ATI R300/400 Linux Performance -- We re-tested the Radeon X300 and
X800XL with this new driver and it offers some HUGE performance
improvements! The Mobility Radeon X300 was as much as 54 times faster
compared to the previous ATI Linux driver. The improvements in these
older ATI GPUs are simply astonishing.

Read More: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10964

ATI R500 Linux Performance -- With an X1300PRO, X1800XL, X1800XT, and
X1950PRO in hand we compared the ATI 8.40 and 8.41 display drivers.
The performance improvements for the Radeon X1000 series range from
50% to 90% faster.

Read More: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10970

ATI Radeon HD 2900XT Linux Performance -- Four months after the Radeon
HD 2900XT was introduced there is finally proper Linux support! Not
only is there support, but it offers a pretty darn good level of
performance. In fact, the ATI Radeon HD 2900XT offers the best bang
for the buck when it comes to high-end graphics cards. There is also
more on the R600 support in general inside this article.

Read More: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10973

AMD: Accelerating Open-Source Drivers? -- Not today, but in the near
future AMD will be making an announcement about accelerating efforts
within the open-source community. What does this mean? Open-Source ATI
Drivers? We will tell you in due time.

Read More: http://www.phoronix.com/vr.php?view=10977


At Phoronix we also have a number of other articles we will be
publishing in the near future pertaining to this new driver and the
Radeon HD 2000 series support. Be sure to check out the latest
articles and join in on the discussions in the Phoronix Forums!

Best,
The Phoronix Staff
Phoronix: http://www.phoronix.com/
Phoronix Forums: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/


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Re: OT: ATI Driver annoucments

2007-09-05 Thread Oded Arbel
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 09:55 +0300, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
 I just got this, and I thought it should interest ATI graphics card owners.

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 We also wanted to let you know that Advanced Micro Devices has
 officially announced their new Linux driver this morning, which is a
 overhaul of their existing Linux graphics driver. The AMD fglrx 8.41
..
 been actually in development for over a year, the AIGLX support that
 is coming next month, and other relevant information.

Does that mean that the new fglrx will support AIGLX ? This would be
very good news for the the Dell Inspiron 6400 I'm trying to install
Ubuntu on (although the X1400 chip it is using is not specifically
listed in the Phoronix announcement).

I would very much like to see the new driver in Ubuntu 7.10 as right now
getting Ubuntu to work on this computer is fscking difficult.

[Off-Topic]

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I don't understand - you reference this is a good thing or a bad thing ?
IMHO, both skepticism and laziness are good things(tm).


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Re: MSI Laptops under Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Leonid Podolny
I considered buying an MSI laptop a while ago and it worths noting that
they serve as an OEM for LG. For every model LG have a parallel one.
A friend of mine installed some recent version of OpenSUSE on MSI s262
and everything, including WiFi, worked out of the box. But, then again,
go figure what SuSE put in there.
The reason that I didn't buy it was that apparently Ivory has
notoriously bad service.


Daniel Feiglin wrote:
 Daniel Feiglin wrote:
 Has any one tried running MSI Laptops under Linux?

 Specifically has anyone tried the VR600 model?

 What's interesting about it:
 1. It's not too expensive
 2. You can buy it locally without a pre-installed OS
 3. The reseller (in this case Ivory) claims that they support it at
 their various centers i.e. you're not stuck with a third party importer
 with one location here.

 Thanks,

 DAF


   
 For Sara Fink:
 
 Oron's remarks about Ivory are correct. You can see the details at of
 the VR600 here:
 
 http://www.ivory.co.il/product.asp?productid=427CatCode=315
 
 Note that the price is for the dual core. It's always worth getting a
 price quotation with specific h/w details. You can buy over the Internet
 - but I wouldn't for this. Sitting across the table from a sales rep can
 give better results.
 
 About drivers etc - surely that depends on what's on the MB? This thing
 uses known components, AMI BIOS. In any event, I posted my query to
 find out about specific known gotchas.
 


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getting another process id from within a c/cpp program?

2007-09-05 Thread Dvir Volk
hi
i want to get another process' pid(s) from withing a program by process
name, without executing a ps or pidof command.
Is there another way of doing this other than iterating over /proc and
reading all the process names?

thanks,


Re: getting another process id from within a c/cpp program?

2007-09-05 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Wed, Sep 05, 2007, Dvir Volk wrote about getting another process id from 
within a c/cpp program?:
 i want to get another process' pid(s) from withing a program by process
 name, without executing a ps or pidof command.
 Is there another way of doing this other than iterating over /proc and
 reading all the process names?

Probably not. There is no system call, or even C library function, to do
this sort of query.

So your most portable choice is indeed to run an external ps program.
The not-portable way (will work only on Linux) is to look in /proc. This
is what the ps program does on Linux, by the way.

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Re: MSI Laptops under Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Bottom post.

Leonid Podolny wrote:
 I considered buying an MSI laptop a while ago and it worths noting that
 they serve as an OEM for LG. For every model LG have a parallel one.
 A friend of mine installed some recent version of OpenSUSE on MSI s262
 and everything, including WiFi, worked out of the box. But, then again,
 go figure what SuSE put in there.
 The reason that I didn't buy it was that apparently Ivory has
 notoriously bad service.


 Daniel Feiglin wrote:
   
 Daniel Feiglin wrote:
 
 Has any one tried running MSI Laptops under Linux?

 Specifically has anyone tried the VR600 model?

 What's interesting about it:
 1. It's not too expensive
 2. You can buy it locally without a pre-installed OS
 3. The reseller (in this case Ivory) claims that they support it at
 their various centers i.e. you're not stuck with a third party importer
 with one location here.

 Thanks,

 DAF


   
   
 For Sara Fink:

 Oron's remarks about Ivory are correct. You can see the details at of
 the VR600 here:

 http://www.ivory.co.il/product.asp?productid=427CatCode=315

 Note that the price is for the dual core. It's always worth getting a
 price quotation with specific h/w details. You can buy over the Internet
 - but I wouldn't for this. Sitting across the table from a sales rep can
 give better results.

 About drivers etc - surely that depends on what's on the MB? This thing
 uses known components, AMI BIOS. In any event, I posted my query to
 find out about specific known gotchas.

 

OK. It might be worth opening up this query to include LG.

About Ivory - I've heard about the quality of their service.

Incidentally, I received a few direct replies (Thanks!) from list
members who had difficulty posting to it. Is there a problem with the
list at the moment?



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Re: bt in core dumps

2007-09-05 Thread Dotan Shavit
Consider the simple explanation - the stack really looks like ???
In this case, valgrind is your friend.

#

On Monday 03 September 2007, Ori Idan wrote:
 I am trying to get stack trace for a short program compiled with gcc.
 The program terminates with a signal and generates a core dump.
 When I am loading this core dump to gdb I get warning: Can't read pathname
 for load map: Input/output error.
 When I issue the bt command I get ?? for many of the functions in the stack
 actually I get ?? for all functions in my program.
 My program was compiled with -g

 Does anyone have any idea?



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Israel approved Accounting software on Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Yuval Hager
Does anyone have any experience in running some accounting software (one that 
is approved by the authorities to print invoices) on a Linux?
I guess that they all require Windows, so this would be under wine, but 
still - does anyone have it working?

Thanks,

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Re: Israel approved Accounting software on Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Ori Idan
Drorit software will soon be approved (I hope) and it runs under Linux.
It is written in PHP and can actually be run on any operating system
supporting PHP.
I tested it only on Linux.

-- 
Ori Idan


On 9/5/07, Yuval Hager [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Does anyone have any experience in running some accounting software (one
 that
 is approved by the authorities to print invoices) on a Linux?
 I guess that they all require Windows, so this would be under wine, but
 still - does anyone have it working?

 Thanks,

 --
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Re: Israel approved Accounting software on Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Yuval Hager
ביום רביעי, 5 בספטמבר 2007, נכתב על ידי Ori Idan:
 Drorit software will soon be approved (I hope) and it runs under Linux.
 It is written in PHP and can actually be run on any operating system
 supporting PHP.
 I tested it only on Linux.

Thanks! It's great to know we have a FOSS solution :) Thanks for the work you 
put in.

I am also interested to know if there are other software that work on Linux in 
this domain. I would like to install Linux in an office, and they might not 
take my advice for accounting software, so I would like to make sure they 
have the choice.

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Re: Israel approved Accounting software on Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi,

On 05/09/07, Ori Idan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Drorit software will soon be approved (I hope) and it runs under Linux.
 It is written in PHP and can actually be run on any operating system 
 supporting PHP.
 I tested it only on Linux.

Any chance that you're going to update the web page? I've looked at
the SF web project page (the homepage), and it severely lacks lots of
things like Screenshots, more detailed info about the features, does
it support things like Osek Patur and seriously, if you're planning
to make any business selling this software, I think IMHO that you
should consult a professional marketer - you're doing all the steps to
not sell your solution. I'm not trying to flame, I'm just giving an
advice.

Thanks,
Hetz
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Re: Israel approved Accounting software on Linux

2007-09-05 Thread Ori Idan
You are right.
SF serves now only as CVS for the project and needs to be updated.
As for marketing, I have a partner who is much better then me in marketing,
however not a marketer, he is a tax advisor and thus gives the professional
accounting side.
From his opinion  (and I agree) we should not do anything regarding selling
the software until it is approved.
Do not fear, although we are going to sell it, it is GPL  and will stay GPL,
which means most of the money will be made from supporting and customizing
and not direct sale, since one can always download the software from the
public CVS.

-- 
Ori Idan


On 9/6/07, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 On 05/09/07, Ori Idan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Drorit software will soon be approved (I hope) and it runs under Linux.
  It is written in PHP and can actually be run on any operating system
 supporting PHP.
  I tested it only on Linux.

 Any chance that you're going to update the web page? I've looked at
 the SF web project page (the homepage), and it severely lacks lots of
 things like Screenshots, more detailed info about the features, does
 it support things like Osek Patur and seriously, if you're planning
 to make any business selling this software, I think IMHO that you
 should consult a professional marketer - you're doing all the steps to
 not sell your solution. I'm not trying to flame, I'm just giving an
 advice.

 Thanks,
 Hetz
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 my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org



LCA 2008 calls for papers

2007-09-05 Thread Amos Shapira
Hi,

For those of you who have an interesting talk to give (in English), LCA 2008
is being organized (they begin this stuff over a year in advance) and calls
for papers for the miniconfs keep being sent out.

You can find more details at the LCA MiniConf wiki at
http://miniconf.mel8ourne.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page and the
announcements already made are archived at
http://lists.linux.org.au/pipermail/lca-announce/

The LCA 2008 will take place in Melbourne, Australia between January 30th
and February 2nd with two days of miniconfs before that. The main web site
is, as usual, http://linux.conf.au/

Cheers,

--Amos


how to make a processes mem unswappable ?

2007-09-05 Thread Erez D
hi

i have a process (vmware running XP) and it runs ok if i alloc 512MB ram to
it. however if i allocate a lot of memory to it (2GB out of my 4GB RAM), it
runs very slowly.
i susspect that the problem is that linux swaps part of it.
how can i make this process's memory unpagable and unswappable, i.e. always
resident in real mem ?


erez.