Fw: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם
I guess they won't be ready by May this year Thanks, Noam Rathaus Beyond Security -Original Message- From: אסף מלמד assa...@moin.gov.il Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:50 To: נחמה פלוגה זכריהnecham...@moin.gov.il Cc: no...@beyondsecurity.com Subject: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם נועם שלום, אתר משרד הפנים לא נתמך כרגע בבדפדפן הפיירפוקס. אנו מתכננים לבצע את ההתאמה עד שנת 2010. תודה אסף מלמד משרד הפנים אגף ענא משרדי טל': 02-6701555 פקס: 02-5697980 דואל: assa...@moin.gov.il נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים 31/03/2009 09:07 אל אסף מלמד/יחידת ענא/אמרכלות/פנ�...@pnim עותק no...@beyondsecurity.com נושא העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם אסף שלום לבדיקה וטפול.תודה וחג שמח ! בברכה,, sincerely נחמה פלוגה-זכריה מרכז פניות הציבור ombudsman - הועבר הלאה בידי נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים בבתאריך 31/03/2009 09:06 - Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com 30/03/2009 14:09 אל pn...@moin.gov.il העתק נושא תקלה בגישה לאתרכם הי, אני משתמש קבוע בדפדפן הפיירפוקס מטעמי נוחות ואבטחה. נתקלתי בבעיה בגלישה באתרכם. כתוצאה מכך לא ניתן לגלוש באתר. אתרים אחרים של הממשל עובדים מצויין - ואשמח אם גם האתר שלכם יעבוד. בתודה, נועם ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fw: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם
I guess they won't be ready by May this year Looks similar to the promises of the flight authority website! 2007 - 2009 - 2010 - Messiah! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
Thanks for the response. Comments in-line. On Monday 30 March 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: Just to be clear - what I need is a way to edit MS mixed English and Hebrew word documents which will be read by Windows users. At the monent the only way I can do that is by booting into XP ;-( If you are creating the documents and others are reading, then there are two solutions: 1) Open Office 3.0 handles MS Office documents = 2003 in a reasonable manner. If you are producing the documents for distribution, then expect no problems (but don't be mad at me if there are). Sometime receiving documents for MS Office users is not ideal, but creating them is fine. Boy, I wish this were true. First, I have found that Open Office has a very difficult time with mixed Hebrew and English. Second, I have found that a mixed Hebrew/English document created with Open Office will get messed up when viewed with MS Word. Have others had a different experience ? 2) Again, use OOo 3.0 but instead of distributing DOC files, distribute PDF files. DOC files are not meant for distributing, their viewer application is buggy and rarely used (users will likely open the documents in an editor, ie, MS Word) and has other problems. No, DOC format is a requirement. If you need to recieve and colaborate with MS Windows users, you have two options: 1) Buy MS Windows and MS Office and use them. I actually like Microsoft's office suit, but I hate their operating systems! I have both. I just don't want to have to boot into Windows to be able to do what I need to do. 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Sorry to say, not up to me. -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| aschkol...@gmail.com impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 054 3344135 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
On Monday 30 March 2009, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Aharon, If you're using VMWare, I'm not sure about the fact that it doesn't support SCSI disks as a raw. After all, SATA disks appear to the system as SCSI disks and they are well supported. From: http://www.vmware.com/support/reference/linux/rawdevices_linux.html Configuring Dual/Multiboot Systems to Run with VMware Workstation for Linux VMware Workstation supports using raw disk partitions only on IDE drives. Booting guest operating systems on raw SCSI drives is experimental. However, if a virtual machine is configured with a virtual disk, instead of a raw disk partition, then its disk (file) can be stored on the Linux file system, regardless of whether the underlying drive(s) containing the file system are IDE or SCSI. From: http://www.vmware.com/support/gsx3/doc/disks_dualscsi_gsx.html Configuring Dual- or Multiple-Boot SCSI Systems to Run with VMware GSX Server on a Linux Host Using an existing physical SCSI disk — also called a SCSI raw disk — inside a virtual machine is supported only if the host has a BusLogic SCSI adapter. It may be possible to configure a host with a different SCSI adapter so the same operating system can be booted both natively and inside a virtual machine, but this approach is not supported by VMware. [My SCSI adapter is not BusLogic] You can do another thing: Install VMWare and a minimal XP + Office in a virtual machine, and then use the shared drives option in VMWare so you can access your SCSI disks. I really didn't want to do that, but looks like I might have to install XP (again) under VMWare. You can also use Open Office 3.0 to edit those documents My experience has been that Open Office doesn't handle mixed Hebrew/English documents well at all, and that even if I finally manage to create a mixed Hebrew/English document with Open Office, it will often get garbled when viewed under MS Word. or if you want, you can use an online solution like Zoho Office which currently does supports hebrew and english in a mix. I tested that. Interesting, but I don't want to pay. Thanks, Hetz -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| aschkol...@gmail.com impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 054 3344135 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
Hi, or if you want, you can use an online solution like Zoho Office which currently does supports hebrew and english in a mix. I tested that. Interesting, but I don't want to pay. Pay? for what?? Zoho writer is free for non commercial use. Zoho writer is free (http://writer.zoho.com). All you have to do is import your document, click on page setup, and change the document direction to right-to-left. Thats it, the import process is pretty good. Hetz ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: הנדון: העברה: תקלה ב גישה לאתרכם
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:09:49 + Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com wrote: I guess they won't be ready by May this year I'm probably too naive but I'm hoping that microsoft starts pushing explorer 8 on people and then they will have to improve on the sites, but they will probably still keep using problematic activeX controls Thanks, Noam Rathaus Beyond Security -Original Message- From: אסף מלמד assa...@moin.gov.il Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:50 To: נחמה פלוגה זכריהnecham...@moin.gov.il Cc: no...@beyondsecurity.com Subject: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם נועם שלום, אתר משרד הפנים לא נתמך כרגע בבדפדפן הפיירפוקס. אנו מתכננים לבצע את ההתאמה עד שנת 2010. תודה אסף מלמד משרד הפנים אגף ענא משרדי טל': 02-6701555 פקס: 02-5697980 דואל: assa...@moin.gov.il נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים 31/03/2009 09:07 אל אסף מלמד/יחידת ענא/אמרכלות/פנ�...@pnim עותק no...@beyondsecurity.com נושא העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם אסף שלום לבדיקה וטפול.תודה וחג שמח ! בברכה,, sincerely נחמה פלוגה-זכריה מרכז פניות הציבור ombudsman - הועבר הלאה בידי נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים בבתאריך 31/03/2009 09:06 - Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com 30/03/2009 14:09 אל pn...@moin.gov.il העתק נושא תקלה בגישה לאתרכם הי, אני משתמש קבוע בדפדפן הפיירפוקס מטעמי נוחות ואבטחה. נתקלתי בבעיה בגלישה באתרכם. כתוצאה מכך לא ניתן לגלוש באתר. אתרים אחרים של הממשל עובדים מצויין - ואשמח אם גם האתר שלכם יעבוד. בתודה, נועם ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:21:42 +0300 Aharon Schkolnik aschkol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the response. Comments in-line. On Monday 30 March 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: Just to be clear - what I need is a way to edit MS mixed English and Hebrew word documents which will be read by Windows users. At the monent the only way I can do that is by booting into XP ;-( If you are creating the documents and others are reading, then there are two solutions: 1) Open Office 3.0 handles MS Office documents = 2003 in a reasonable manner. If you are producing the documents for distribution, then expect no problems (but don't be mad at me if there are). Sometime receiving documents for MS Office users is not ideal, but creating them is fine. Boy, I wish this were true. First, I have found that Open Office has a very difficult time with mixed Hebrew and English. Second, I have found that a mixed Hebrew/English document created with Open Office will get messed up when viewed with MS Word. Have others had a different experience ? Very different. Math is a complete no go, hebrew and english is a mess, mixed hebrew/english documents and numbers are rarely imported properly, enumerations are messed up completely and changing the document language to hebrew to match the original permutes tab aligned ellements 2) Again, use OOo 3.0 but instead of distributing DOC files, distribute PDF files. DOC files are not meant for distributing, their viewer application is buggy and rarely used (users will likely open the documents in an editor, ie, MS Word) and has other problems. No, DOC format is a requirement. If you need to recieve and colaborate with MS Windows users, you have two options: 1) Buy MS Windows and MS Office and use them. I actually like Microsoft's office suit, but I hate their operating systems! I have both. I just don't want to have to boot into Windows to be able to do what I need to do. 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Tried using personally but sad to say it's incredibly unstable in terms of styles and I still haven't managed to find out how to change the headers/footers mid way through the document, something that is very easy with word. On the other hand I'm using lyx almost exclusively so who am I to talk ... Sorry to say, not up to me. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לא תרכם
Sorry to disappoint you. I just tried the site with IE8 and it works fine there, but not on IE, nor Chrome, nor Safari 4, Konqueror. Hetz 2009/3/31 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:09:49 + Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com wrote: I guess they won't be ready by May this year I'm probably too naive but I'm hoping that microsoft starts pushing explorer 8 on people and then they will have to improve on the sites, but they will probably still keep using problematic activeX controls Thanks, Noam Rathaus Beyond Security -Original Message- From: אסף מלמד assa...@moin.gov.il Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:50 To: נחמה פלוגה זכריהnecham...@moin.gov.il Cc: no...@beyondsecurity.com Subject: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם נועם שלום, אתר משרד הפנים לא נתמך כרגע בבדפדפן הפיירפוקס. אנו מתכננים לבצע את ההתאמה עד שנת 2010. תודה אסף מלמד משרד הפנים אגף ענא משרדי טל': 02-6701555 פקס: 02-5697980 דואל: assa...@moin.gov.il נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים 31/03/2009 09:07 אל אסף מלמד/יחידת ענא/אמרכלות/פנ�...@pnim עותק no...@beyondsecurity.com נושא העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם אסף שלום לבדיקה וטפול.תודה וחג שמח ! בברכה, , sincerely נחמה פלוגה-זכריה מרכז פניות הציבור ombudsman - הועבר הלאה בידי נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים בבתאריך 31/03/2009 09:06 - Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com 30/03/2009 14:09 אל pn...@moin.gov.il העתק נושא תקלה בגישה לאתרכם הי, אני משתמש קבוע בדפדפן הפיירפוקס מטעמי נוחות ואבטחה. נתקלתי בבעיה בגלישה באתרכם. כתוצאה מכך לא ניתן לגלוש באתר. אתרים אחרים של הממשל עובדים מצויין - ואשמח אם גם האתר שלכם יעבוד. בתודה, נועם ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
Boy, I wish this were true. First, I have found that Open Office has a very difficult time with mixed Hebrew and English. Second, I have found that a mixed Hebrew/English document created with Open Office will get messed up when viewed with MS Word. Have others had a different experience ? Yes, I have had no problems since OOo 2+. What versions of OOo have you been using? I do seem to remember that Hebrew text was indented incorrectly once, but I do not remember that affecting me in the recent past. I do not know if the issue was addressed or if I became indifferent to it. If you need to recieve and colaborate with MS Windows users, you have two options: 1) Buy MS Windows and MS Office and use them. I actually like Microsoft's office suit, but I hate their operating systems! I have both. I just don't want to have to boot into Windows to be able to do what I need to do. I see. It still might be your best option, though. I think that VMWare can boot an existing partition, but I've never tried it (no Windows, not even pirated!). 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Sorry to say, not up to me. I figured as much, but many people overlook this. Which is too bad, as most people are actually thankful for the suggestion. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
On Tuesday 31 March 2009, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, or if you want, you can use an online solution like Zoho Office which currently does supports hebrew and english in a mix. I tested that. Interesting, but I don't want to pay. Pay? for what?? Zoho writer is free for non commercial use. OK ! I'll check it out ! Zoho writer is free (http://writer.zoho.com). All you have to do is import your document, click on page setup, and change the document direction to right-to-left. Thats it, the import process is pretty good. Hetz -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| aschkol...@gmail.com impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 054 3344135 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
Very different. Math is a complete no go, hebrew and english is a mess, mixed hebrew/english documents and numbers are rarely imported properly, enumerations are messed up completely and changing the document language to hebrew to match the original permutes tab aligned ellements Are you talking about documents created with Word then opened in OOo, or documents created in OOo then opened in Word. With the former I understand your point, but for the later I have had no problems (I have not tried math). 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Tried using personally but sad to say it's incredibly unstable in terms of styles and I still haven't managed to find out how to change the headers/footers mid way through the document, something that is very easy with word. On the other hand I'm using lyx almost exclusively so who am I to talk ... I tried to get into Lyx but I had a hard time with Hebrew, davka (what is davka in English). -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
On Tuesday 31 March 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: Very different. Math is a complete no go, hebrew and english is a mess, mixed hebrew/english documents and numbers are rarely imported properly, enumerations are messed up completely and changing the document language to hebrew to match the original permutes tab aligned ellements Are you talking about documents created with Word then opened in OOo, or documents created in OOo then opened in Word. With the former I understand your point, but for the later I have had no problems (I have not tried math). I had a real mess once when I took a mixed Hebrew/English document created with Word and then opened it with OOo. I then fixed it up under OOo, but when I looked at it under Word it was a mess over there ! 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Tried using personally but sad to say it's incredibly unstable in terms of styles and I still haven't managed to find out how to change the headers/footers mid way through the document, something that is very easy with word. On the other hand I'm using lyx almost exclusively so who am I to talk ... I tried to get into Lyx but I had a hard time with Hebrew, davka (what is davka in English). -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| aschkol...@gmail.com impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 054 3344135 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OOo Hebrew support: creation of ODT and DOC files
What exactly is the problem you experience ? It might be even a settings issue rather then a bug. I do not find any Hebrew problems with OOo and MS Office file formats (both Excel and Word) that created by MS Office. And I'm using OpenOffice 3.0.1. Ido On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: I may be lucky, but I have had no problems with creating new Hebrew documents or opening Hebrew documents in recent OOo versions. For purposes of this thread, lets keep discussion limited to OOo 3+ and documents originally created and edited in that application. Documents created in or edited in Word are a different matter. If you have a document that has Hebrew problems, in either ODT or DOC format, then please send it to me so that I can triage and file bugs. If it is a bad DOC save, then send to me the original ODT as well. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: OOo Hebrew support: creation of ODT and DOC files
What exactly is the problem you experience ? It might be even a settings issue rather then a bug. I am not experiencing any problem, but another thread on this list makes me believe that some people are. Therefore, I would like to triage their problems without taking the other thread off topic. I do not find any Hebrew problems with OOo and MS Office file formats (both Excel and Word) that created by MS Office. I'd rather deal with OOo-created files first, as that was the concern in the other thread. And I'm using OpenOffice 3.0.1. Ido Is this Ido from Electrical Engineering at the Technion? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:09:56 +0300 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Very different. Math is a complete no go, hebrew and english is a mess, mixed hebrew/english documents and numbers are rarely imported properly, enumerations are messed up completely and changing the document language to hebrew to match the original permutes tab aligned ellements Are you talking about documents created with Word then opened in OOo, or documents created in OOo then opened in Word. With the former I understand your point, but for the later I have had no problems (I have not tried math). Documents writen in word and opened in OOo are horendous (I can usually read them but I can't work with them), documents writen in OOo and opened in office are better (haven't tested math lately) but still require a lot of tweeking. They can't be transfered as is. 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Tried using personally but sad to say it's incredibly unstable in terms of styles and I still haven't managed to find out how to change the headers/footers mid way through the document, something that is very easy with word. On the other hand I'm using lyx almost exclusively so who am I to talk ... I tried to get into Lyx but I had a hard time with Hebrew, davka (what is davka in English). It works quite well, I work with it all the time in hebrew writing execises. http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/Hebrew Gives pretty good instructions. You need to install hebrew for latex and you can find the culmus package for linux with some google. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
Thanks for the reply. On Tuesday 31 March 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: Boy, I wish this were true. First, I have found that Open Office has a very difficult time with mixed Hebrew and English. Second, I have found that a mixed Hebrew/English document created with Open Office will get messed up when viewed with MS Word. Have others had a different experience ? Yes, I have had no problems since OOo 2+. What versions of OOo have you been using? Here's what Help says: OpenOffice.org 3.0.1 OOO300m15 (Build:9379) I do seem to remember that Hebrew text was indented incorrectly once, but I do not remember that affecting me in the recent past. I do not know if the issue was addressed or if I became indifferent to it. If you need to recieve and colaborate with MS Windows users, you have two options: 1) Buy MS Windows and MS Office and use them. I actually like Microsoft's office suit, but I hate their operating systems! I have both. I just don't want to have to boot into Windows to be able to do what I need to do. I see. It still might be your best option, though. I think that VMWare can boot an existing partition, but I've never tried it (no Windows, not even pirated!). Lucky you ! 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Sorry to say, not up to me. I figured as much, but many people overlook this. Which is too bad, as most people are actually thankful for the suggestion. Yeah, too bad. -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| aschkol...@gmail.com impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 054 3344135 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew Under crossover
On Tuesday 31 March 2009, Micha Feigin wrote: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:21:42 +0300 Aharon Schkolnik aschkol...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the response. Comments in-line. On Monday 30 March 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: Just to be clear - what I need is a way to edit MS mixed English and Hebrew word documents which will be read by Windows users. At the monent the only way I can do that is by booting into XP ;-( If you are creating the documents and others are reading, then there are two solutions: 1) Open Office 3.0 handles MS Office documents = 2003 in a reasonable manner. If you are producing the documents for distribution, then expect no problems (but don't be mad at me if there are). Sometime receiving documents for MS Office users is not ideal, but creating them is fine. Boy, I wish this were true. First, I have found that Open Office has a very difficult time with mixed Hebrew and English. Second, I have found that a mixed Hebrew/English document created with Open Office will get messed up when viewed with MS Word. Have others had a different experience ? Very different. Math is a complete no go, hebrew and english is a mess, mixed hebrew/english documents and numbers are rarely imported properly, enumerations are messed up completely and changing the document language to hebrew to match the original permutes tab aligned ellements Guess you'd agree that Open Office is not a good solution ! 2) Again, use OOo 3.0 but instead of distributing DOC files, distribute PDF files. DOC files are not meant for distributing, their viewer application is buggy and rarely used (users will likely open the documents in an editor, ie, MS Word) and has other problems. No, DOC format is a requirement. If you need to recieve and colaborate with MS Windows users, you have two options: 1) Buy MS Windows and MS Office and use them. I actually like Microsoft's office suit, but I hate their operating systems! I have both. I just don't want to have to boot into Windows to be able to do what I need to do. 2) Convince your collaborators to use Open Office. This is suprisingly easy, many people are willing to get rid of MS Office. Although I personally prefer MS Office and use OOo out of necessity (Linux user), I find that most people prefer OOo for some reason, once they see it. Go figure. Tried using personally but sad to say it's incredibly unstable in terms of styles and I still haven't managed to find out how to change the headers/footers mid way through the document, something that is very easy with word. On the other hand I'm using lyx almost exclusively so who am I to talk ... Sorry to say, not up to me. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- The day is short, and the work is great,| Aharon Schkolnik and the laborers are lazy, and the reward | is great, and the Master of the house is| aschkol...@gmail.com impatient. - Ethics Of The Fathers Ch. 2| 054 3344135 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לא תרכם
Tomer, I saved their site as MHT file, renamed to eml, decoded all the attachments with Thunderbird and did a grep on it. No Emulate, IE7 found.. I guess Microsoft left their crap inside even without IE7 compatibility mode. Hetz 2009/3/31 Tomer Cohen to...@gmx.net: Do you mind checking for existence of any IE8-specific meta tags such as EmulateIE7? In case they are using such tags we can show them that they care about IE8 users but not the others. (I have heard recently about some Israeli sites which didn't added that tags and broke the support for IE8 in addition to Opera/Webkit/Gecko browsers...) 2009/3/31 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com Sorry to disappoint you. I just tried the site with IE8 and it works fine there, but not on IE, nor Chrome, nor Safari 4, Konqueror. Hetz 2009/3/31 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:09:49 + Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com wrote: I guess they won't be ready by May this year I'm probably too naive but I'm hoping that microsoft starts pushing explorer 8 on people and then they will have to improve on the sites, but they will probably still keep using problematic activeX controls Thanks, Noam Rathaus Beyond Security -Original Message- From: אסף מלמד assa...@moin.gov.il Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:50 To: נחמה פלוגה זכריהnecham...@moin.gov.il Cc: no...@beyondsecurity.com Subject: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם נועם שלום, אתר משרד הפנים לא נתמך כרגע בבדפדפן הפיירפוקס. אנו מתכננים לבצע את ההתאמה עד שנת 2010. תודה אסף מלמד משרד הפנים אגף ענא משרדי טל': 02-6701555 פקס: 02-5697980 דואל: assa...@moin.gov.il נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים 31/03/2009 09:07 אל אסף מלמד/יחידת ענא/אמרכלות/פנ�...@pnim עותק no...@beyondsecurity.com נושא העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם אסף שלום לבדיקה וטפול.תודה וחג שמח ! בברכה, , sincerely נחמה פלוגה-זכריה מרכז פניות הציבור ombudsman - הועבר הלאה בידי נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים בבתאריך 31/03/2009 09:06 - Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com 30/03/2009 14:09 אל pn...@moin.gov.il העתק נושא תקלה בגישה לאתרכם הי, אני משתמש קבוע בדפדפן הפיירפוקס מטעמי נוחות ואבטחה. נתקלתי בבעיה בגלישה באתרכם. כתוצאה מכך לא ניתן לגלוש באתר. אתרים אחרים של הממשל עובדים מצויין - ואשמח אם גם האתר שלכם יעבוד. בתודה, נועם ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Sent from: Givatayim TA Israel. George Burns - Don't stay in bed, unless you can make money in bed. -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לא תרכם
Do you mind checking for existence of any IE8-specific meta tags such as EmulateIE7? In case they are using such tags we can show them that they care about IE8 users but not the others. (I have heard recently about some Israeli sites which didn't added that tags and broke the support for IE8 in addition to Opera/Webkit/Gecko browsers...) 2009/3/31 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com Sorry to disappoint you. I just tried the site with IE8 and it works fine there, but not on IE, nor Chrome, nor Safari 4, Konqueror. Hetz 2009/3/31 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:09:49 + Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com wrote: I guess they won't be ready by May this year I'm probably too naive but I'm hoping that microsoft starts pushing explorer 8 on people and then they will have to improve on the sites, but they will probably still keep using problematic activeX controls Thanks, Noam Rathaus Beyond Security -Original Message- From: אסף מלמד assa...@moin.gov.il Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:50 To: נחמה פלוגה זכריהnecham...@moin.gov.il Cc: no...@beyondsecurity.com Subject: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם נועם שלום, אתר משרד הפנים לא נתמך כרגע בבדפדפן הפיירפוקס. אנו מתכננים לבצע את ההתאמה עד שנת 2010. תודה אסף מלמד משרד הפנים אגף ענא משרדי טל': 02-6701555 פקס: 02-5697980 דואל: assa...@moin.gov.il נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים 31/03/2009 09:07 אל אסף מלמד/יחידת ענא/אמרכלות/פנ�...@pnim עותק no...@beyondsecurity.com נושא העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם אסף שלום לבדיקה וטפול.תודה וחג שמח ! בברכה,, sincerely נחמה פלוגה-זכריה מרכז פניות הציבור ombudsman - הועבר הלאה בידי נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים בבתאריך 31/03/2009 09:06 - Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com 30/03/2009 14:09 אל pn...@moin.gov.il העתק נושא תקלה בגישה לאתרכם הי, אני משתמש קבוע בדפדפן הפיירפוקס מטעמי נוחות ואבטחה. נתקלתי בבעיה בגלישה באתרכם. כתוצאה מכך לא ניתן לגלוש באתר. אתרים אחרים של הממשל עובדים מצויין - ואשמח אם גם האתר שלכם יעבוד. בתודה, נועם ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Sent from: Givatayim TA Israel. George Burns - Don't stay in bed, unless you can make money in bed. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
OOo Hebrew support: creation of ODT and DOC files
I may be lucky, but I have had no problems with creating new Hebrew documents or opening Hebrew documents in recent OOo versions. For purposes of this thread, lets keep discussion limited to OOo 3+ and documents originally created and edited in that application. Documents created in or edited in Word are a different matter. If you have a document that has Hebrew problems, in either ODT or DOC format, then please send it to me so that I can triage and file bugs. If it is a bad DOC save, then send to me the original ODT as well. Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לא תרכם
Miki Eitan will deal with complaints of people see this link: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3694141,00.html Maybe he will help. 2003/1/18 doron barbi doron...@bezeqint.net בבקשה מיחקו אותי מרשימת התפוצה שלכם אני לא מתכנת לא לינוקס וכו'... doron...@bezeqint.net בתודה דורון ברבי. -Original Message- From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of Hetz Ben Hamo Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:48 PM To: Tomer Cohen Cc: Linux IL Subject: Re: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם Tomer, I saved their site as MHT file, renamed to eml, decoded all the attachments with Thunderbird and did a grep on it. No Emulate, IE7 found.. I guess Microsoft left their crap inside even without IE7 compatibility mode. Hetz 2009/3/31 Tomer Cohen to...@gmx.net: Do you mind checking for existence of any IE8-specific meta tags such as EmulateIE7? In case they are using such tags we can show them that they care about IE8 users but not the others. (I have heard recently about some Israeli sites which didn't added that tags and broke the support for IE8 in addition to Opera/Webkit/Gecko browsers...) 2009/3/31 Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com Sorry to disappoint you. I just tried the site with IE8 and it works fine there, but not on IE, nor Chrome, nor Safari 4, Konqueror. Hetz 2009/3/31 Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il: On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:09:49 + Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com wrote: I guess they won't be ready by May this year I'm probably too naive but I'm hoping that microsoft starts pushing explorer 8 on people and then they will have to improve on the sites, but they will probably still keep using problematic activeX controls Thanks, Noam Rathaus Beyond Security -Original Message- From: אסף מלמד assa...@moin.gov.il Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:24:50 To: נחמה פלוגה זכריהnecham...@moin.gov.il Cc: no...@beyondsecurity.com Subject: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם נועם שלום, אתר משרד הפנים לא נתמך כרגע בבדפדפן הפיירפוקס. אנו מתכננים לבצע את ההתאמה עד שנת 2010. תודה אסף מלמד משרד הפנים אגף ענא משרדי טל': 02-6701555 פקס: 02-5697980 דואל: assa...@moin.gov.il נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים 31/03/2009 09:07 אל אסף מלמד/יחידת ענא/אמרכלות/פנ�...@pnim עותק no...@beyondsecurity.com נושא העברה: תקלה בגישה לאתרכם אסף שלום לבדיקה וטפול.תודה וחג שמח ! בברכה,, sincerely נחמה פלוגה-זכריה מרכז פניות הציבור ombudsman - הועבר הלאה בידי נחמה פלוגה זכריה/פניות הציבור/אמרכלות כללית/פנים בבתאריך 31/03/2009 09:06 - Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com 30/03/2009 14:09 אל pn...@moin.gov.il העתק נושא תקלה בגישה לאתרכם הי, אני משתמש קבוע בדפדפן הפיירפוקס מטעמי נוחות ואבטחה. נתקלתי בבעיה בגלישה באתרכם. כתוצאה מכך לא ניתן לגלוש באתר. אתרים אחרים של הממשל עובדים מצויין - ואשמח אם גם האתר שלכם יעבוד. בתודה, נועם ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Sent from: Givatayim TA Israel. George Burns - Don't stay in bed, unless you can make money in bed. -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: gmail folder
I use Has the words and put there linux-il It seems to work fine for me. -- Ori Idan On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:58 PM, nir grinberg n...@grinberg.org wrote: Hi, I am trying to direct all mail received from this list, to a Gmail folder I created. I created this rule: Matches: from:(Linux IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il) Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label Linux groups only thing, many of the mail on the list are sent with the address Linux IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il on the CC. the Settings doesn't have an option for the CC and mail from the list don't seem to have another identifier. any ideas? -- Regards, Nir Grinberg I.T.C. IP Technologies Ltd. n...@israelnumber.com www.IsraelNumber.com 972.3.9707000 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: הנדון: העברה: תקלה בגישה לא תרכם
Miki Eitan will deal with complaints of people see this link: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3694141,00.html Maybe he will help. That's a great link. Thanks, Sara! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: gmail folder
I am trying to direct all mail received from this list, to a Gmail folder I created. I created this rule: Matches: from:(Linux IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il) Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label Linux groups only thing, many of the mail on the list are sent with the address Linux IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il on the CC. the Settings doesn't have an option for the CC and mail from the list don't seem to have another identifier. any ideas? My gmail filter is set for To like yours is, and I have not had a problem with messages not being marked. I am not skipping the inbox, though, as I do not use the archive feature. Either Gmail is threading and that keeps the messages with the label together with those CC'ed, or the To filter works for CC as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: gmail folder
On any email from the mailing list click on link show details and you will see there another link Filter messages from this mailing list. -- Arie On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 16:15, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: I am trying to direct all mail received from this list, to a Gmail folder I created. I created this rule: Matches: from:(Linux IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il) Do this: Skip Inbox, Apply label Linux groups only thing, many of the mail on the list are sent with the address Linux IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il on the CC. the Settings doesn't have an option for the CC and mail from the list don't seem to have another identifier. any ideas? My gmail filter is set for To like yours is, and I have not had a problem with messages not being marked. I am not skipping the inbox, though, as I do not use the archive feature. Either Gmail is threading and that keeps the messages with the label together with those CC'ed, or the To filter works for CC as well. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: gmail folder
If you put the email of the mailing list in the from field, it works fine too. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: European VPS hosting
I've had an superb experience with MiroHosting. Are you sure about the company name spelling? Can you send a direct link -- yuval signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Interview with the Author of 'Mastering cat'
I'm going to publish a new book for O'Reilly titled Mastering cat. Here is an interview O'Reilly-Net conducted with me about it: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/Mastering-Cat/ Enjoy! Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ My Aphorisms - http://www.shlomifish.org/humour.html God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
