Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Boaz Rymland b...@rymland.com wrote: geoffrey mendelson wrote: After 3 days of running it can not make a connection to the outisde world. I have to reboot to get it to work. Other computers runing Ubuntu have the same problem, 3 days after they were booted, but ones running other operating systems don't. I had a similar issue that was resolved when I switched to a PCI ethernet adapter with different chipset. In my case it seemed as if the network total loss was related to long periods of idle time - overnight and such. I suspected that whatever power management or other idle-time related mechanism wasn't functioning ok. Replacing the NIC resolved it. Ubuntu is not perfect. I hope the descriptions here are not a sign of a major issue with this release. To the good or worse, its (arguably) one of the best Linux distros out there and most likely the first recommended by many to be your grandma's Windows replacement. I also get irritated by it at times, but I also got irritated by Gentoo (eventually it took me took much time to simply maintain it) and you can find similar problems in any distro - even if you a true Linux zealot :-) Boaz. I still have some problems, - strange sound problems. Also, my laptop doesn't shut down anymore, i have to do it manually with ctrl-sysrq-S ctrl-sysrq-O. (i have fixed it by editing /etc/init.d/halt and removing the '-i' and '-h' from the halt command, which are not really needed in linux. now it shuts down.) but the major issue i see, is that many things in ubuntu are gui dependant: 1. I have no network connection unless i login to an X session. - previously, if i was in a hurry I would have switch to VT1 and do whatever i liked without waiting for the X session to settle and open a terminal. currently I can't do that with network dependent things, as there is no network without logging in to an X session. 2. many things are only configurable by GUI and not by command line, so i can not configure via VT or remotely via ssh. It seems that wanting to make linux more DUMB-USER FRIENDLY, ubuntu forgot that linux is more than word processors and browsers. it is a system that makes everything more productable by using scripts, pipes, filters (e.g. sed, awk, etc ) etc... they focused more on making it MS-WIDOWS-LIKE. I appreciate ubuntu making it more easier to use, but they shouldn't forget its a linux system ... ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
Let me also complain :-) After upgrading from 8.10 to 9.04: 1) the dual screen stopped working correctly, and actually I cannot set the screen resolution to high enough. Does anyone know /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not seem to change when I change the configuration via the GUI. So how can I reconfigure the X ? 2) Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does not do anything (should restart X) 3) Switching between applications using Alt-TAB got *very* slow. The whole system seems to be a lot less responsive. so far these are the biggest issues I noticed. Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
Hi Gabor,
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:33:15AM +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote:
2) Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does not do anything (should restart X)
This is a new (mis)feature of X11. See
http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/16916.html
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Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does not do anything (should restart X) either use alt-sysrq-k instead of ctl-alt-bksp or add to xorg.conf: Section ServerFlags Option DontZap false EndSection erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On May 20, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: Does anyone know /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not seem to change when I change the configuration via the GUI. So how can I reconfigure the X ? I've had good and bad luck configuring X via editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf It either works or the whole system hangs, needs to be rebooted and sometimes goes into X is up but you can't do anything, or switch terminals, cntl-alt-backspace. 2) Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does not do anything (should restart X) Yes, it's a feature. 3) Switching between applications using Alt-TAB got *very* slow. The whole system seems to be a lot less responsive. turning on UFW with a default policy of accept seemed to fix slow booting, sometimes switching between consoles takes 2-3 minutes if X is involved. so far these are the biggest issues I noticed. Wait a week. :-( Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:33:15 +0300, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: 1) the dual screen stopped working correctly, and actually I cannot set the screen resolution to high enough. Does anyone know /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not seem to change when I change the configuration via the GUI. So how can I reconfigure the X ? What's your GPU chipset? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Boaz Rymland b...@rymland.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:33:15 +0300, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: 1) the dual screen stopped working correctly, and actually I cannot set the screen resolution to high enough. Does anyone know /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not seem to change when I change the configuration via the GUI. So how can I reconfigure the X ? What's your GPU chipset? Err, I am not sure. I am guess you want to know the line VGA in the output of lspci ? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) Full output of lspci (as it was created when it had Ubuntu 7.04): http://szabgab.com/blog/2008/05/1210741045.html I don't have the computer next to me now. Gabor ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cross-platform website design
Well, we're missing a lot of important information: 1. Will the web-site require server-side-scripting of some sort (Perl, PHP, Python, Ruby, Java, etc.) or will it be entirely or mostly static data? The site will likely have some scripting, but that would not be the responsibility of the designer. He just needs the HTML/CSS code with Lorem Ipsum text, and that text will be replaced with the actual content. 2. If #1 - does he have any preference for a technology? If I wind up doing the programing, it would be php. However, that is not the responsibility of the designer, just the HTML / CSS. 3. Will the web-site be in English, Hebrew or both? Both. 4. What should the web-designer know how to do: styling (CSS+images, etc.), server-side scripting, converting pure image layouts to CSS, Flash, etc. HTML, CSS, Javascript, and images. No Flash, and no server-side coding. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Ditching ubuntu
Hi List, I decided to move to fedora after using ubuntu for years, under the pressure to resolve freeze issues in two different boxes on ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 9.04. I wonder if anyone in the list experienced issues of random freezes on ubuntu since two months ago. The boxes were doing fine and it seems that after some updates, things started breaking apart. Bought boxes have nvidia cards. one box has an old TNT2 64mb and the other one a G9600. The TNT2 box even friezed while running the livecd, so I should discard any issue with proprietary drivers. On the other box, most crashes happen when running some audio stuff. I had a while guess that may be is related to pulse audio. Please let me know if you have experienced similar issues. Thanks, Meir ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
I have X11 crashing when viewing DVD movies, beside that nothing special. (We have 6 Ubuntu installations, 1 Kubuntu) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Meir Michanie me...@riunx.com wrote: Hi List, I decided to move to fedora after using ubuntu for years, under the pressure to resolve freeze issues in two different boxes on ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 9.04. I wonder if anyone in the list experienced issues of random freezes on ubuntu since two months ago. The boxes were doing fine and it seems that after some updates, things started breaking apart. Bought boxes have nvidia cards. one box has an old TNT2 64mb and the other one a G9600. The TNT2 box even friezed while running the livecd, so I should discard any issue with proprietary drivers. On the other box, most crashes happen when running some audio stuff. I had a while guess that may be is related to pulse audio. Please let me know if you have experienced similar issues. Thanks, Meir ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
funny, i ditched fedora in favor of ubuntu a few years ago, because of fedora stability issues erez. On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Meir Michanie me...@riunx.com wrote: Hi List, I decided to move to fedora after using ubuntu for years, under the pressure to resolve freeze issues in two different boxes on ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 9.04. I wonder if anyone in the list experienced issues of random freezes on ubuntu since two months ago. The boxes were doing fine and it seems that after some updates, things started breaking apart. Bought boxes have nvidia cards. one box has an old TNT2 64mb and the other one a G9600. The TNT2 box even friezed while running the livecd, so I should discard any issue with proprietary drivers. On the other box, most crashes happen when running some audio stuff. I had a while guess that may be is related to pulse audio. Please let me know if you have experienced similar issues. Thanks, Meir ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
ot: israeli sip providers ?
hi i am traveling abroad, and as my nokia (N95-2) has wifi and a built in SIP client, i wanted to use it for cheap calls to/from israel. I already used it my phone to call people via sip, and it had very good sound quality. anybody knows of israeli sip providers ? (I know i can use fring with skype, but the sound quality sucks) thanks, erez. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
Yes, fedora uses pulseaudio too. But it may have a different version/implementation. It may not be related to pulseaudio too. Even do, with fedora I have pulseaudio kind of freezing but did not halt the whole system. - Original Message - Subject: Re: Ditching ubuntu From: Micha Silver mi...@arava.co.il To: Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com CC: Meir Michanie me...@riunx.com,Linux-IL linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: 20-05-2009 13:27 Noam Rathaus wrote: I have X11 crashing when viewing DVD movies, beside that nothing special. (We have 6 Ubuntu installations, 1 Kubuntu) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Meir Michanie me...@riunx.com mailto:me...@riunx.com wrote: Hi List, I decided to move to fedora after using ubuntu for years, under the pressure to resolve freeze issues in two different boxes on ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 9.04. I wonder if anyone in the list experienced issues of random freezes on ubuntu since two months ago. The boxes were doing fine and it seems that after some updates, things started breaking apart. Bought boxes have nvidia cards. one box has an old TNT2 64mb and the other one a G9600. The TNT2 box even friezed while running the livecd, so I should discard any issue with proprietary drivers. On the other box, most crashes happen when running some audio stuff. I had a while guess that may be is related to pulse audio. Isn't Fedora also using Pulseausio?? -- Micha Please let me know if you have experienced similar issues. Thanks, Meir ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ot: israeli sip providers ?
On May 20, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Erez D wrote: i am traveling abroad, and as my nokia (N95-2) has wifi and a built in SIP client, i wanted to use it for cheap calls to/from israel. I already used it my phone to call people via sip, and it had very good sound quality. anybody knows of israeli sip providers ? (I know i can use fring with skype, but the sound quality sucks) Olehphone, www.olehphone.com is not technicaly an Israeli SIP provider, but their service to Israel is pretty good. I have their laptop option, and demoed it to someone the other day. He felt that it was as good as or better than a direct BEZEQ connection from his calling me. I then switched to SKYPEout and it was almost unusable, which is usually the case with me and SKYPE. For the record, I have a 5m/256k cable modem with Netvision as my ISP. This was at about 9pm, which is peak usage period. I am in Jerusalem, and the person calling me on BEZEQ and I called back was in the north. Sammy Ominsky who is on this list (and lives in Israel) is Olehphone's CTO and may be able to help you. Bear in mind that incoming numbers require outside vendors so they add time and cost. If you could do with just outgoing calls, he may be able to give you a better deal and faster service. It's certainly worth an email, or phone call. Keep in mind that WiFi service varies from place to place. SIP will die if the connection is heavily used or no QOS (Quality of Service) routing is in place to make it work well. Many commerical WiFi vendors also sell landline telephone and or cellular service and some do very badly with SIP to avoid competing with themselves. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
Noam Rathaus wrote: I have X11 crashing when viewing DVD movies, beside that nothing special. (We have 6 Ubuntu installations, 1 Kubuntu) On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, Meir Michanie me...@riunx.com mailto:me...@riunx.com wrote: Hi List, I decided to move to fedora after using ubuntu for years, under the pressure to resolve freeze issues in two different boxes on ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 9.04. I wonder if anyone in the list experienced issues of random freezes on ubuntu since two months ago. The boxes were doing fine and it seems that after some updates, things started breaking apart. Bought boxes have nvidia cards. one box has an old TNT2 64mb and the other one a G9600. The TNT2 box even friezed while running the livecd, so I should discard any issue with proprietary drivers. On the other box, most crashes happen when running some audio stuff. I had a while guess that may be is related to pulse audio. Isn't Fedora also using Pulseausio?? -- Micha Please let me know if you have experienced similar issues. Thanks, Meir ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il mailto:Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On Wednesday 20 May 2009, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On May 20, 2009, at 10:33 AM, Gabor Szabo wrote: Does anyone know /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not seem to change when I change the configuration via the GUI. So how can I reconfigure the X ? I've had good and bad luck configuring X via editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf It either works or the whole system hangs, needs to be rebooted and sometimes goes into X is up but you can't do anything, or switch terminals, cntl-alt-backspace. With the new xorg-server (1.5), you might be better off without a xorg.conf at all. I'm a proud non-owner of an xorg.conf file :) --y signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ot: israeli sip providers ?
On 20/05/2009, at 14:07, geoffrey mendelson wrote: Olehphone, www.olehphone.com is not technicaly an Israeli SIP provider, but their service to Israel is pretty good. [...] Sammy Ominsky who is on this list (and lives in Israel) is Olehphone's CTO and may be able to help you. Thanks for the plug, but I don't think we're what he would consider cheap. Unlimited calling to the US and Israel would be $31/month, with a DID in either the US or Israel (077 or 072). That's fine for a landline replacement, or if he's staying abroad, but for occasional use from a wifi phone, it's more than I'd want to pay. --sambo ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ot: israeli sip providers ?
On May 20, 2009, at 5:13 PM, sammy ominsky wrote: Thanks for the plug, but I don't think we're what he would consider cheap. Unlimited calling to the US and Israel would be $31/month, with a DID in either the US or Israel (077 or 072). That's fine for a landline replacement, or if he's staying abroad, but for occasional use from a wifi phone, it's more than I'd want to pay. The weekend after my mother died a friend tried to call me on my olehphone line and could get through. My HOT connection to the outside world had died taking my Internet connection, etc with it. Sunday morning a tech came out and spent an hour and half in the rain fixing it. Saturdy night a friend of mine called to console me and a month later found out that dialing direct to Israel via Verizon was $5.00 a minute plus tax without an international calling plan. When my wife was in Amsterdam, Orange had a special service which you entered a code and the number you wanted to call in Israel and it called you back. That was 7 NIS a minute, far cheaper than just dialing direct as a roamer. Skype is around $15 a month for 10,000 minutes to the US and Israel and a US incoming number. Considering the original poster said that SKYPE call quality was not good enough for his purposes, $31 is not that expensive. If he kept it up and used it here too, it would IMHO be worth it. It's like the old joke: How much is that item? $31 $31! the store across the street sells them for $29 : Go buy it from them. They are out of them. When I am out of them, they are $25. SKYPE is cheap and easy to use, but only if it works for you. Also have you ever tried to get support from SKYPE? Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
Meir Michanie wrote: Hi List, I decided to move to fedora after using ubuntu for years, under the pressure to resolve freeze issues in two different boxes on ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 9.04. I think that this way of solving problems is wrong. I have made the same mistake way too many times. Configuration issues is a wrong reason to change distros. (For comparison, this green chameleon artwork is so cool! counts as a right reason). The main reason is that I have never seen an ideal distribution. The fact of life is that Fedora have its own set of annoying problems. If, by some amazing coincidence, all your hardware will work out of the box, than it will break during the next update. flamebait Saying all that, the decision of ditching ubuntu is a right one. Ubuntu sucks, and Fedora is a second-best distribution. /flamebait ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
On May 20, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Meir Michanie wrote: What do you think about using CENTOS with livna as a home desktop? I want to install it and forget about it. For Grandma, I need skype, im, flash, video camera. I'm going to answer this as if it were a joke, it's not, but sometimes a little humor helps. If you want to set it up and forget it use Windows XP. If you want to visit frequently, use Linux, Ubuntu more frequently than CENTOS. If you want a free place to live, and don't mind the constant questions, use VISTA. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
On May 20, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Leonid Podolny wrote: flamebait Saying all that, the decision of ditching ubuntu is a right one. Ubuntu sucks, and Fedora is a second-best distribution. / flamebait Ubuntu suffers from the same disease that Red Hat Linux suffered from in the late 1990's. To much change, too little quality control and releases released to fit a schedule as opposed to getting them right. Eventually Red Hat wised up and dropped Red Hat Linux entirely, splitting it into FEDORA with no support or quality control from them, and RHEL which includes support, quality control, etc but does not come out like clockwork, ready or not and costs money. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: recommended remote backup service?
Hi, Take a look at my company service S3rsync http://www.s3rsync.com/ it let you Rsync to Amazon S3 storage with out the need to bother dealing with Ec2 machine. Rami Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Amazon S3? You can create tarballs (either a new snapshot everyday or just diffs) and upload them to Amazon S3. There are many FUSE implementations of their protocol so you can use your own tools for copying/uploading etc.. Thanks, Hetz On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Dvir Volk dvir...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I need to find a new, secure and very reliable remote backup service for my employer's office server. This will be used to backup mainly stuff like SVN dumps, TRAC database, etc. 10-20 gigs should be more than enough, and ssh/rsync/sftp etc. scriptable access is a must. any recommendations? Thanks, Dvir ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
Hi! Meir Michanie wrote: I decided to move to fedora after using ubuntu for years, under the pressure to resolve freeze issues in two different boxes on ubuntu 8.04 and ubuntu 9.04. Yep, pulseaudio has issues. (Every time I try to run boxee it freezes the system, no other case I know of). AFAIK you can disable it. Did you try to do it? Udi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
What do you think about using CENTOS with livna as a home desktop? I want to install it and forget about it. For Grandma, I need skype, im, flash, video camera. - Original Message - Subject: Re: Ditching ubuntu From: geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com To: Leonid Podolny leonidp.li...@gmail.com CC: Meir Michanie me...@riunx.com,linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: 20-05-2009 18:20 On May 20, 2009, at 5:19 PM, Leonid Podolny wrote: flamebait Saying all that, the decision of ditching ubuntu is a right one. Ubuntu sucks, and Fedora is a second-best distribution. / flamebait Ubuntu suffers from the same disease that Red Hat Linux suffered from in the late 1990's. To much change, too little quality control and releases released to fit a schedule as opposed to getting them right. Eventually Red Hat wised up and dropped Red Hat Linux entirely, splitting it into FEDORA with no support or quality control from them, and RHEL which includes support, quality control, etc but does not come out like clockwork, ready or not and costs money. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On 20.05.2009 Gabor Szabo wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Boaz Rymland b...@rymland.com wrote: On Wed, 20 May 2009 10:33:15 +0300, Gabor Szabo szab...@gmail.com wrote: 1) the dual screen stopped working correctly, and actually I cannot set the screen resolution to high enough. Does anyone know /etc/X11/xorg.conf does not seem to change when I change the configuration via the GUI. So how can I reconfigure the X ? What's your GPU chipset? Err, I am not sure. I am guess you want to know the line VGA in the output of lspci ? 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) While I personally don't use Ubuntu, many of these changes are not specific to this distribution -- I'd like to defend them a bit: - Upstream X developers suggest not having xorg.conf for almost a year as most controller features are autodetected these days. - As mentioned, the Alt-Ctrl-Backspace is a new (mis?)feature of X and is documented for the next update of my distribution (Fedora). - Intel graphics chipsets which were the best supported so far are going through a major revision in the last 6 months or so (both the kernel parts and the X.org drivers). This caused a lot of breakage at first (Few months ago I had total lock-ups on some computers, especially with KDE/plasma which pushed these drivers to their limits). Since Fedora pushes continuous updates until EOL, the situation improved a lot in the last month or two. I eagerly wait for F11 (2/6) as it should ship with xorg-1.6 which should further clean up the mess. So Ubuntu wasn't lucky this time due to their release date (about a month earlier than F11 -- too early for xorg-1.6, OO.o-3.1, etc). - Another (unrelated) example raised by someone else -- network configuration from the UI only: This is actually the fault of shifting from old configuration scripts to NetworkManager. While the gripe about missing command-line front end is valid, it is not Ubuntu's fault. BTW: Since NetworkManager-0.7 (about a year ago), it has distribution specific plugins to prevent it from messing with network interfaces that appear in the distribution legacy config files. I've tested with Fedora and it works. So theoretically, if your Debian/Ubuntu interfaces(5) config file refers to a specific interface, than NM should ignore it and the legacy/command-line methods apply to it. Of course this shouldn't deter you from trying Fedora-11 in two weeks ;-) -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 o...@actcom.co.il http://www.actcom.co.il/~oron Normal people ... believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Engineers believe that if it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features ... yet. -- Scott Adams ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ditching ubuntu
On Wed, 20 May 2009 18:21:01 Meir Michanie wrote: What do you think about using CENTOS with livna as a home desktop? I want to install it and forget about it. For Grandma, I need skype, im, flash, video camera. It depends on your needs. If you want just some very common tasks - like browsing, spreadsheet etc, then you can use CentOS (I do). Beware that many media application won't work, or you won't be able to install them with yum. Just last week I needed to rip a DVD, to my surprise there was a package for CentOS: DVDRIP-0.98.10-6.el5, I installed it just to find out it does not work. Googling around, I found it is a known problem but without a solution (the same package works on Fedora 10). CentOS is very stable OS when used as server, not as media center. For desktop use, I'll stick with Fedora, not necessarily the last one. You have about 1.5 years maintenance from the distribution of a new version. Fedora 11 will be available sometime in June. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: ubuntu is starting to annoy me
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:20:37PM +0300, Oron Peled wrote: BTW: Since NetworkManager-0.7 (about a year ago), it has distribution specific plugins to prevent it from messing with network interfaces that appear in the distribution legacy config files. I've tested with Fedora and it works. So theoretically, if your Debian/Ubuntu interfaces(5) config file refers to a specific interface, than NM should ignore it and the legacy/command-line methods apply to it. Fedora has shipped a pre-release of NetworkManager 0.7 for quite some time. NetworkManager 0.7 has only been released in [hmm... well, not that long ago. but their homepage is so poor that it does not even include very basic information. Strike that that: Freshmeat to the rescue: http://freshmeat.net/projects/networkmanager: 04-Dec-2008 - well after the freeze of Debian Lenny. And it has been a moving target for much of the time it was used in Fedora). Debian users have not had too many complaints about NetworkManager. For some selected few it Just Worked. For others it got in their way in thus they removed it in favour of the original infrastructure. Yet others who actually needed that functionality just installed wicd which actually works and does not replace half of your system. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Dual screens / keyboard layout
To hijack the 'ubuntu sucks' thread (though it really does suck), here is a tip, and two questions: - For the guy that asked about dual screens not showing the best resolution, open your terminal and type: xrandr --auto if that doesn't get you the optimal resolution, do: xrandr -q see what your monitor is called (VGA, or TMDS-1 or something similar) and then do: xrandr --output TMDS-1 --auto This will set your resolution to the best xrandr thinks it can do, using the current 'virtual screen' settings. If you want to over rider what xrand thinks it's best do: xrandr --output [bla] --mode 1280x1024 (or similar) Now my question: X automatically detects when I plug in the 2nd monitor. I'd like to run xrandr when that happens to set it to the 'correct' resolution. Does anybody know what scripts runs on this hot-plug detection? Second question: When I connect a USB keyboard it does not have the correct layout. I need to go to the keyboard layout and hit 'apply' for it to enforce the layout on the USB keyboard as well. Since xorg.conf is now pase', does anyone know how to solve this issue? - Aviram ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Dual screens / keyboard layout
for keyboard layout, please take a look at this link: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.xml part 2 configuring input. It should be the same for other distributions as well. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 1:33 AM, Aviram Jenik avi...@jenik.com wrote: To hijack the 'ubuntu sucks' thread (though it really does suck), here is a tip, and two questions: - For the guy that asked about dual screens not showing the best resolution, open your terminal and type: xrandr --auto if that doesn't get you the optimal resolution, do: xrandr -q see what your monitor is called (VGA, or TMDS-1 or something similar) and then do: xrandr --output TMDS-1 --auto This will set your resolution to the best xrandr thinks it can do, using the current 'virtual screen' settings. If you want to over rider what xrand thinks it's best do: xrandr --output [bla] --mode 1280x1024 (or similar) Now my question: X automatically detects when I plug in the 2nd monitor. I'd like to run xrandr when that happens to set it to the 'correct' resolution. Does anybody know what scripts runs on this hot-plug detection? Second question: When I connect a USB keyboard it does not have the correct layout. I need to go to the keyboard layout and hit 'apply' for it to enforce the layout on the USB keyboard as well. Since xorg.conf is now pase', does anyone know how to solve this issue? - Aviram ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Dual screens / keyboard layout
On Wednesday 20 May 2009 16:06:08 sara fink wrote: for keyboard layout, please take a look at this link: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.x ml part 2 configuring input. It should be the same for other distributions as well. Beautiful! That give me the crucial clue to a previous Linux-IL post: http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg54791.html That gives a step-by-step on how to do Hebrew keyboard layouts thanks Sara! (and Meir for posting the instructions 2 months ago...) Now any clues on setting the right video resolution automagically? - Aviram ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Dual screens / keyboard layout
Now any clues on setting the right video resolution automagically? do you still want to work with xorg.conf or without? - Aviram ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Dual screens / keyboard layout
On Wednesday 20 May 2009 17:16:20 sara fink wrote: Now any clues on setting the right video resolution automagically? do you still want to work with xorg.conf or without? Neither; I want to find the script that runs when the 2nd screen is plugged in. Once that happens I'll run xrandr myself. - Aviram ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
