Re: Check out my photos on Facebook
1. who are you and what are the pictures and videos about 2. i do not want to join facbook. 2009/8/15 Michael Lewinger invite+kjdmu55i-...@facebookmail.cominvite%2bkjdmu55i-...@facebookmail.com facebook Check out my photos on Facebook Hi linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Michael To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=616188009k=Z4GYQX6XW24GUCD1QB64VWPUUUCDr linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il was invited to join Facebook by Michael Lewinger. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please click herehttp://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=63c414u=10173166007mid=f0e479G5af31acc8db7G0G8to unsubscribe. Facebook's offices are located at 1601 S. California Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94304 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Check out my photos on Facebook
Don't be a klutz - the poor guy just mail blasted his contact list. On 8/16/09, Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote: 1. who are you and what are the pictures and videos about 2. i do not want to join facbook. 2009/8/15 Michael Lewinger invite+kjdmu55i-...@facebookmail.cominvite%2bkjdmu55i-...@facebookmail.com facebook Check out my photos on Facebook Hi linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il, I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Michael To sign up for Facebook, follow the link below: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=616188009k=Z4GYQX6XW24GUCD1QB64VWPUUUCDr linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il was invited to join Facebook by Michael Lewinger. If you do not wish to receive this type of email from Facebook in the future, please click herehttp://www.facebook.com/o.php?k=63c414u=10173166007mid=f0e479G5af31acc8db7G0G8to unsubscribe. Facebook's offices are located at 1601 S. California Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94304 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] i4i vs MS?
Geoff Good point -but a tactical one. A provisional patent can be a deterrent to competitors and copiers. 1. relatively cheap 2. the spec remains secret 3. delays legal and filing fees 4. relatively easy to write 5. enables the product to be marked patent pending 6. Gives a startup a head-start in market development However - being able to protect an idea in the interim is far from being a sufficient condition for success. The other factors - a really divergent idea, a new market space, a clear strategy and perfect execution are overwhelmingly more important. Let me put it this way - more startups fail because of personality issues with the founders than because some bad people stole an idea that could have been protected by a provisional patent. - Danny Lieberman - http://www.dannylieberman.info On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 8:50 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:03 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: I'm all for making money out of good ideas, but I still think that people need to take the necessary effort in taking these ideas forward, instead of just issuing vague, generic and/or trivial software patents that prevent people from developing similar programs. Copyrights gives enough protection for software and for making money of it, while software patents tend to do more harm than good. Why are software ideas different than any other ideas? Not only does your last statement make no sense, it discriminates against software developers and is totally unsubstanisated. While I very much support FOSS (and public domain software, which is what it was called before people started to make money off of it), I support the right for people who invent new software to protect their rights. Copyrights do not protect them enough, it still allows someone who is as smart or smarter than they are to take their idea and sell it. I have had many conversations with a competitors about startups that had interesting ideas that made them unique. The conversations always go something like what makes them different is that they do xxx and we don't, I ask when will you have it, and they answer something like next week. Very soon everyone does it, and the startup disappears, taking with it the life savings of the seed investors. I can't speak for anyone else, but the people I know are relatively honest, if the startup had filled a US provisional patent and claimed (as their right) patent pending technology they would not. I also have had experience with people who are not as honest and do it anyway, but that's a different subject. It's even happened in the last few months to someone on this list, they announced their existance and looked for employees on this list, which caused a competitor who is a lurker to look at their web site and a week later we had the exact conversation I mentioned above. He has a big company, they were one or two people looking for some part time employees. Is that the effect on the software industry you wish to have? Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] i4i vs MS?
On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Danny Lieberman wrote: Geoff Good point -but a tactical one. A provisional patent can be a deterrent to competitors and copiers. 1. relatively cheap 2. the spec remains secret 3. delays legal and filing fees 4. relatively easy to write 5. enables the product to be marked patent pending 6. Gives a startup a head-start in market development However - being able to protect an idea in the interim is far from being a sufficient condition for success. IMHO you are taking it too far. Success is the result of many factors. Just having a good idea, a patent, a good business plan, honest competitors, etc does not guarentee success. In fact nothing guarentees success, and going by the numbers (75% of all startups fail in the first year), one can almost guarentee faliure. Based upon Israeli statistics, about 38% of all companies fail in the first year, you could question that. The Israeli statistic defines a company as either incorporating or filing for a business tax number, which explains the difference. Most startups start and disapear which still being in stealth mode, i.e. privately funded with no legal existance. The other factors - a really divergent idea, a new market space, a clear strategy and perfect execution are overwhelmingly more important. Let me put it this way - more startups fail because of personality issues with the founders than because some bad people stole an idea that could have been protected by a provisional patent. That's irrelevant to the discussion of patents. It's very relevant to the discussion in general, but IMHO, no matter how good the idea, how new the market space, how well the people get along and how good the product will be, if someone else markets it first, with a bigger/ better development team, more money, etc, there is no way the small company will succeed. In countries that do allow software patents, not filing one, or announcing your intention to file one, may be considered the same as releasing an idea to the public domain, so one can legally and ethicaly use your idea without stealing it. In the US, you have one year from date of first publication to file a regular patent application, or your idea becomes public domain. This whole discussion has been about tatics, AFAIK there was no technology discussed at all. Releasing an idea to the public domain is a tactic too. Going back to the original topic, Microsoft as a publicly traded company has a legal obligation to its shareholders to avail itself of every legal protection it can for its IP and products. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] i4i vs MS?
Geoff The Microsoft example is central to the discussion. The empirical data is that more innovation is done by big companies (IBM, Microsoft, Intel, Google) than by small independent inventors - they have the money to hire smarter people, the synergy, the infrastructure and legal to protect their IP. For sure - a small 3 man startup can have a brilliant idea but even if they spring for a patent - the threat of infringement is symmetrical. In my opinion, most software patents fail in obviousness, prior art and disclosure. Patent litigation is expensive, and defending yourself even against a bad patent may cost a fortune - which startups don't have. Consider NTP (patent troll) vs RIM (Blackberry). This is why VC's always ask for patents but quickly move on to the more substantitive questions of Total available market, execution and break-through strategies. I challenge you to bring one example of an Israeli startup that was able to profitably monetize their idea with software patent licensing. Patent trolls like Aerotel and NTP don't count. Then there is your notion of first mover advantage; most new ideas these days take a long time to penetrate the market - you can develop software in 3-5 months but it still will take 3-5 years for the business to grow and take root (assuming you have all the other pieces in place). Danny --- http://www.dannylieberman.info On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 12:28 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 11:57 AM, Danny Lieberman wrote: Geoff Good point -but a tactical one. A provisional patent can be a deterrent to competitors and copiers. 1. relatively cheap 2. the spec remains secret 3. delays legal and filing fees 4. relatively easy to write 5. enables the product to be marked patent pending 6. Gives a startup a head-start in market development However - being able to protect an idea in the interim is far from being a sufficient condition for success. IMHO you are taking it too far. Success is the result of many factors. Just having a good idea, a patent, a good business plan, honest competitors, etc does not guarentee success. In fact nothing guarentees success, and going by the numbers (75% of all startups fail in the first year), one can almost guarentee faliure. Based upon Israeli statistics, about 38% of all companies fail in the first year, you could question that. The Israeli statistic defines a company as either incorporating or filing for a business tax number, which explains the difference. Most startups start and disapear which still being in stealth mode, i.e. privately funded with no legal existance. The other factors - a really divergent idea, a new market space, a clear strategy and perfect execution are overwhelmingly more important. Let me put it this way - more startups fail because of personality issues with the founders than because some bad people stole an idea that could have been protected by a provisional patent. That's irrelevant to the discussion of patents. It's very relevant to the discussion in general, but IMHO, no matter how good the idea, how new the market space, how well the people get along and how good the product will be, if someone else markets it first, with a bigger/better development team, more money, etc, there is no way the small company will succeed. In countries that do allow software patents, not filing one, or announcing your intention to file one, may be considered the same as releasing an idea to the public domain, so one can legally and ethicaly use your idea without stealing it. In the US, you have one year from date of first publication to file a regular patent application, or your idea becomes public domain. This whole discussion has been about tatics, AFAIK there was no technology discussed at all. Releasing an idea to the public domain is a tactic too. Going back to the original topic, Microsoft as a publicly traded company has a legal obligation to its shareholders to avail itself of every legal protection it can for its IP and products. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com -- Danny Lieberman - Protect your data: http://www.software.co.il Twitter: http://twitter.com/onlyjazz Skype: dannyl50 Warsaw:+48-79-609-5964 Israel: +972 8 9701485 Mobile: +972 - 54 447 1114 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] i4i vs MS?
On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Danny Lieberman wrote: I challenge you to bring one example of an Israeli startup that was able to profitably monetize their idea with software patent licensing. Patent trolls like Aerotel and NTP don't count. I can't because I am not a native Hebrew speaker/reader (less than my sons did in first grade), so I can't properly research the subject. There is also IMHO a fatal flaw in your argument, you are asking me for something that people rarely do while ignoring what they often do. Companies don't patent things with the intention of licensing those patents, except for companies that do what you asked me not to use as examples. They patent things with the intention of keeping their IP their own, for that I can almost give you a laundry list of companies off the top of my head, Intel, SUN, Microsoft, NDS, and so on. All of whom sell products and services outside (and inside) Israel and use patents as a way of protecting their IP, limiting their competition. Then there is your notion of first mover advantage; most new ideas these days take a long time to penetrate the market - you can develop software in 3-5 months but it still will take 3-5 years for the business to grow and take root (assuming you have all the other pieces in place). First mover advantage goes to the person who is perceived to be first, not the person who is first. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: IP Phones for sell (giveaway)
2009/4/16 Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com: Hi, I am selling our last IP phones as no non-profit came forward to ask for them. First come first serve basis. Prices are for covering shipping and handling (35 NIS per unit), noting more. Last thing, before we ship, we test they turn on, if they don't or we don't have the power supply we will email you. Here is what we have: * Cisco 7910 * Avaya 4600IP * Grandstream BudgeTone * Uniden WIP200 * Cisco 7902 * PA1685 * HOP1002 * IPPH 203B PLEASE don't email me about pickup, we don't do that, 35 is too expensive for you let me know why and we will see what we can do Noam, I have no yet received the phone. I tried contacting you in May be got no response. Do you have a tracking number for the package? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] i4i vs MS?
Geoff Actually - companies often develop IP with the intent to monetize their work via licensing deals - it's good business if you don't have the mfg and distribution capability. For example - patent licensing is huge business in pharma and semiconductors. Take the biological drug - Remicade for example -developed by Centocor and licensed by JJ and Schering Plough. In the software space you have companies like IBM, Novell, RedHat and Sun that offer royalty-free patent licenses. Then there is crypto, games and gaming - the list is endless. BTW - Microsoft buys licensing rights all the time - for example http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/123144/index.html :-) D On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:46 PM, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Danny Lieberman wrote: I challenge you to bring one example of an Israeli startup that was able to profitably monetize their idea with software patent licensing. Patent trolls like Aerotel and NTP don't count. I can't because I am not a native Hebrew speaker/reader (less than my sons did in first grade), so I can't properly research the subject. There is also IMHO a fatal flaw in your argument, you are asking me for something that people rarely do while ignoring what they often do. Companies don't patent things with the intention of licensing those patents, except for companies that do what you asked me not to use as examples. They patent things with the intention of keeping their IP their own, for that I can almost give you a laundry list of companies off the top of my head, Intel, SUN, Microsoft, NDS, and so on. All of whom sell products and services outside (and inside) Israel and use patents as a way of protecting their IP, limiting their competition. Then there is your notion of first mover advantage; most new ideas these days take a long time to penetrate the market - you can develop software in 3-5 months but it still will take 3-5 years for the business to grow and take root (assuming you have all the other pieces in place). First mover advantage goes to the person who is perceived to be first, not the person who is first. Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com -- Danny Lieberman - Protect your data: http://www.software.co.il Twitter: http://twitter.com/onlyjazz Skype: dannyl50 Warsaw:+48-79-609-5964 Israel: +972 8 9701485 Mobile: +972 - 54 447 1114 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] i4i vs MS?
On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Danny Lieberman wrote: Actually - companies often develop IP with the intent to monetize their work via licensing deals - it's good business if you don't have the mfg and distribution capability. In the software space you have companies like IBM, Novell, RedHat and Sun that offer royalty-free patent licenses. Then there is crypto, games and gaming - the list is endless. BTW - Microsoft buys licensing rights all the time - for example http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/123144/index.html Are any of those Israeli? Geoff. -- geoffrey mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Jerusalem Israel geoffreymendel...@gmail.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: IP Phones for sell (giveaway)
Hi Dotan, I think this can be taken off list. On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/16 Noam Rathaus no...@beyondsecurity.com: Hi, I am selling our last IP phones as no non-profit came forward to ask for them. First come first serve basis. Prices are for covering shipping and handling (35 NIS per unit), noting more. Last thing, before we ship, we test they turn on, if they don't or we don't have the power supply we will email you. Here is what we have: * Cisco 7910 * Avaya 4600IP * Grandstream BudgeTone * Uniden WIP200 * Cisco 7902 * PA1685 * HOP1002 * IPPH 203B PLEASE don't email me about pickup, we don't do that, 35 is too expensive for you let me know why and we will see what we can do Noam, I have no yet received the phone. I tried contacting you in May be got no response. Do you have a tracking number for the package? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[HAIFUX LECTURE] Sockets in the Linux Kernel (2) - Rami Rosen
On Monday, August 17th, Haifux's 10th birthday, at 18:30, with the airconditioner on, Haifux will gather to hear Rami Rosen talk about: Sockets in the Linux Kernel (2) Abstract We will deal with the implementation the following sockets in the Linux kernel: - Raw sockets. - Unix Domain sockets. - Netlink sockets. - SCTP sockets. We will discuss the following topics: - how raw sockets are used in the familiar ping and traceroute utils. - The usage of Unix domain sockets as an IPC (Inter process communication) mechanism. - Netlink sockets as a messaging subsystem between kernel and userspace (including rtnetlink and generic netlink) - examples demonstratting Netlink sockets usage - SCTP sockets : one-to-one style and one-to-many style. This lecture is the sixth in the Linux Kernel networking lecture series; it a sequel to the following lectures: - Linux Kernel Networking: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/172/ http://www.haifux.org/lectures/172/ - Advanced Linux Kernel Networking - Neighboring Subsystem; IPSec:http://www.haifux.org/lectures/180 http://www.haifux.org/lectures/180 - IPv6 in the Linux Kernel (Advanced Linux Kernel Networking):http://www.haifux.org/lectures/187/ http://www.haifux.org/lectures/187/ - Wireless in Linux: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/206/ http://www.haifux.org/lectures/206/ - Sockets in the Linux Kernel http://www.haifux.org/lectures/217/: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/217/ Slides: http://haifux.org/lectures/219/netLec6.pdf = We meet in Taub building, room 6. For instructions see: http://www.haifux.org/where.html Attendance is free, and you are all invited! == Future lectures: 26/10/2009 Social and Cultural perspective on the Israeli FOSS community: Liora Shlomi lioras%20%20ATSIGN%20gmail.com 26/10/2009 == We are always interested in hearing your talks and ideas. If you wish to give a talk, hold a discussion, or just plan some event haifux might be interested in, please contact us at webmas...@haifux.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Fwd: Flash based games not working
Just a few notes on WeJew.com streaming... WeJew is hosted in the US. We've been tweaking our streaming methods to improve streaming for Israeli users. Here's what we've done and what we've found... a - We did basic progressive video file streaming using Apache. A number of Israeli users reported slow downloading / streaming. b - We switched to lighttpd as the streaming method, first on port 81 then on port 8080. Lighttpd is noted as being much faster than Apache (and has lower server overhead), but we received a number of problem reports. First that the video loader just spun the 'waiting' icon and never loaded, and second that the stream loaded extremely slowly - and this was particularly noted on 012.net (the worst) and somewhat on Netvision. We identified the first case as being as overly strict firewall settings, which we were able to overcome with some player adjustments in most but not all cases. Some research led us to believe the case with the Israeli users was specifically due to ISP traffic shaping. We did experiments and found that some protocols were consistently slow and yet others were not to our servers from Israel, a clear sign of traffic shaping. Interestingly, we did some additional testing to France and don't seem to find a similar pattern. Our guess is that some Israeli ISP's are throttling traffic on their US backbone connections, with a focus on P2P and video streams. c - We switched to a http pseudo-streaming script (xmoov-php). As soon as we did this our Israeli customers with download delays immediately reported a major improvement. Even though we implemented this script with bandwidth throttling! Since this is delivered on port 80, the firewall issues also were removed. As a negative, the per-memory use on our server for each download stream is much heavier, but fortunately memory cost is not that high. If anyone has suggestions on improving flash stream loading, we'd certainly be happy to hear about it and try any suggestions. --Akiva WeJew.com Technical Team On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Amos Shapira amos.shap...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/11 Micha Silver mi...@arava.co.il: Arie Skliarouk wrote: Forwarding to Linux-Il (see the message below). I don't have a way to check flash player 9 on the wejew.com http://wejew.com or walla.com http://walla.com sites. Can someone check the sites using flash player 9 please? Here's the link to the specific games: (very long, careful about line breaks...) http://fun.walla.co.il/ts.cgi?w=//1861/play/1/@c2pstatus=allswf_URL=http%3A%2F%2Fico.walla.co.il%2Fw6%2Fv%2Ffun%2Fc2p%2Fv5%2FRoomList_5%3Froom_id%3D1861%26amp%3Bsite_id%3D25%26amp%3Borigin%3DRoomList%26amp%3BipString%3D80.179.46.34%26amp%3Bjava_port%3D8080%26amp%3Ball_java_ips%3D%26amp%3Bnavigator%3DUnknown%26amp%3BcanRTMPT%3Don%26amp%3BmatchStarted%3Dt%26amp%3BmatchEnded%3Dt%26amp%3BgetSavedData%3Dt%26amp%3BsendMatchEnded%3Dt%26user_id%3D171724102%26random_hash%3D508006432user_id=171724102random_hash=508006432globalKey=1314859720 You should see a list of players in the central window. (The same problem appears with damka, chess, etc. on this site) Works for me. I could pick a game to watch and watch it being played. Hebrew chat between the players appeared in reverse. Using Ubuntu 9.04 32 bit. Plugins windows lists Shockwave Flash 10.0 r32 (I keep my system up to date). BTW - about the long link - there are numerous sites to shorten links, e.g. http://tinyurl.com/ and http://bit.ly/ Cheers, --Amos ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Olympia AP1000 (Skype/DECT) and Linux
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, I just bought the above mentioned phone. Does anyone knows a good software which replaces it's 2 in 1 software so the phone can sync with Skype the contacts? Thanks, Hetz Could you elborate on it ? (lsusb). You might take a look on usbph module (provide the ability sync the phones and numbers). Also you can use libhid and libusb to access if it is like the Skuku type (aka Holtek / GoodCom WJT603). If it is like the 604 version there is file you can access (to get the contacts) and to write to it (VCard afair). -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Boris Shtrasman - | INJG : I'm Not Just another Geek | | IM : bori...@jabber.org| | URL : myrtfm.blogspot.com | | linkedIn : www.linkedin.com/in/BorisShtrasman| --- ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: [YBA] Freescale i.MX27 project
On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: [giant snip] Here is what could have been done to make things better. The client issues a request for a project at cost+, asking for a discount on the hourly rate in exchange for a significant bonus in case the project is delivered on time. Mathematically speaking, this offer is identical to the above offer, but as it is phrased in positive rather than negative terms, it is much easier to approve. This, of course, means that it can start much earlier, and have a better chance of succeeding. Dear Shahar. I agree with all that you wrote above and I snipped, but this last paragraph shows you have taken leave of your senses. I have known you for many a year and this is proof positive, in my opinion, that you have finally cracked. Where do you buy your psychedelics? On the surface, what you write above is indeed reasonable, but there is a total disconnect between it and reality. Reality you are acquainted with. And, in fact, reality I am acquainted with. ;-). Seriously, dear chap. You are writing something entirely reasonable about the israeli outsourcing market. Tell me who your dealer is. :-) Love ya! Marc Volovic marc.volo...@swiftouch.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
