Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
I did not get a refund , i just bought a machine with freedos instead and got a discount of 200 shekels. 2011/12/21 Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com: Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On 21/12/2011, Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com wrote: Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? I remember that we talked about that in 2008/9 , I think the person name was Tzvi , I remeber because I wished to buy a Dell machine and he had one. -- -- -- Boris Shtrasman |Gnu/Linux Software developer | | IM : bori...@jabber.org | | URL : myrtfm.blogspot.com| ___ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Raz wrote: I did not get a refund , i just bought a machine with freedos instead and got a discount of 200 shekels. I'm not sure that's going to happen much longer. With Windows 7 (and now XP too) Microsoft no longer requires a magic number (license key) to install the system. If you install a new system without a license key, or boot a pre-installed one for the first time, it will become a 30 day free trial. Since you can download the full distribution disks for free, the value of a free trial system is 0. Large companies such as HP, etc may still give you a discount as they have already bought the software in bulk, but they may not too. Small companies such as Ivory, etc can just fulfill their contract with Microsoft at no user refundable cost. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-( ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On 12/21/2011 03:26 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? Zvi Devir has done it and ran a Haifux lecture. I believe the slides and walk-through are still available. -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Michael Vasiliev mycr...@infoscav.netwrote: On 12/21/2011 03:26 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? Zvi Devir has done it and ran a Haifux lecture. I believe the slides and walk-through are still available. http://www.haifux.org/lectures/204/ Kaplan ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On 12/21/2011 03:57 PM, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Dec 21, 2011, at 3:37 PM, Raz wrote: I did not get a refund , i just bought a machine with freedos instead and got a discount of 200 shekels. I'm not sure that's going to happen much longer. With Windows 7 (and now XP too) Microsoft no longer requires a magic number (license key) to install the system. If you install a new system without a license key, or boot a pre-installed one for the first time, it will become a 30 day free trial. Since you can download the full distribution disks for free, the value of a free trial system is 0. Large companies such as HP, etc may still give you a discount as they have already bought the software in bulk, but they may not too. Small companies such as Ivory, etc can just fulfill their contract with Microsoft at no user refundable cost. I assume you mean SLIC in the ACPI, so your computer just have a license key embedded in it's writable CMOS memory, so what? How's that changing anything? The data in Windows distribution has always been free, you're paying per license to use, not anything else. In fact, they insist on it being zero cost, when I ordered an upgrade disk last time, they only billed me a ridiculous sum for SH. The fact that Microsoft and vendors has always being secretive on allowing you to download the distribution CDs is another, unrelated issue. -- MichaelV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Tel Aviv Perl Mongers Meeting on 28 December, 2011
## Tel Aviv Perl Mongers Meeting on 28 December, 2011 (The Hebrew text will be followed by an English one). **שימו לב לשינוי במיקום!** זהו הבניין שבו קיימנו את מפגשי שוחרי הפרל התל-אביביים בהתחלה, ולא זה ששימש עבור מספר פגישות לאחרונה. ב-28 בדצמבר 2011 (יום רביעי) נערוך את מפגש הפרל החודשי שלנו, והפעם הוא יהיה מיוחד! אנו נפגשים ב-18:30 ומתחילים ב-19:00. כתובת: מכללת שנקר, בניין ראשי ברחוב אנה פרנק, רמת גן, חדר 300. פרטים נוספים ניתן למצוא [באתר של שוחרי הפרל של תל אביב](http://telaviv.pm.org/). במפגש זה יהיו ההרצאות הבאות: * **ויזואליזציה של המוח של וים** - רן עילם - אהבתם אותו בתשתיות לפיתוח משחקים בעזרת SDL, Moose ו-Coro, בכיתם בעקבות הביצוע שלו במפגשים אחרי ההרצאות, ותעריצו אותו לחלוטין בויזואליזציה של המוח של וים. האגדה החיה רן עילם ירצה לנו (מתחילים ומומחים כאחד) על וים (Vim) ועל כיצד לעכל את החיה הזאת. מילת אזהרה: שתי השורות הראשונות בקהל יפגעו מלהבות חוצבות כנגד אימקס (Emacs). * **צרור מודולים שהיה הגיוני לכתוב** - סוויר אקס: אני הולך לסקור מספר מודולים לשימושי שכתבתי, מדוע הם נכתבו, ומתי הם שימושיים. בסוף תצטרכו לשפוט אם היה זה בכלל כדאי לכתוב אותם. יהיו גם קלפיות של הצבעה! (אנחנו נכסה את Algorithm::Diff::Callback, App::Genpass, Data::PowerSet::Hash ו-Module::Version.) * **לשדרג או לא לשדרג - פרל 5.6 כנגד פרל 5.14** - עידו קנר כנגד סוויר אקס: מקור גדול של דאגה בקהילת משתמשי הפרל היא האם להשתמש בגרסה עדכנית של פרל ואיזו גרסה צריכה להיחשב ישנה מדי. מצד אחד, יש לנו את ההנהלה שרוצה עד כמה שפחות עלות ושינויים (ולפעמים גם מנהלי המערכות רוצים בכך), ומצד שני המפתח שרוצה להשתמש בטכנולוגיות החדשות ביותר, ופעמים רבות תקוע במערכות שאבד עליהן כלח.לאור שיקול רציני זה, אנו הולכים, איש בתורו, לתקוע מקל אחד בשני, כשאנו חובשים כובעים מצחיקים, ולדון את הלא מאמינים והכופרים לגיהינום עד שידגלו בצד אחד: 5.6 או 5.14! המפגש הוא חינמי וכולם מוזמנים. נתראה שם! ### English Version **Please note the change of venue.** This is the building where we started having TA.pm, and not the one which we used for some of the recent meetings. On 28 December, 2011 (Wednesday), the Tel Aviv Perl Mongers will hold their monthly meetup, and this time it is going to be special. We meet at 18:30 and the talks begin at 19:00. The address is: Shenkar College, main building on Anna Frank street, Ramat Gan, Room 300. One can find more details on [the web-site](http://telaviv.pm.org/) of the Tel Aviv Perl mongers. This meeting will hold the following talks: * **Visualizing the brain of Vim** by Ran Eilam - You loved him in Game frameworks with SDL, Moose and Coro, you cried over his performance in the after-meeting get-togethers, and you will absolutely adore him in Visualizing the brain of Vim. All-star legend Ran Eilam will talk to us (both beginners and experts) about Vim and how to fathom this incredible beast. I warn you, the first two lines in the audience will be damaged by Emacs flames. * **A bunch of modules which made sense writing** - by Sawyer X: I'm going to cover some utility modules I've written, why they were written and when they are useful. At the end, you'll have to judge whether they were worth writing at all. There will be voting booths available! (We'll cover Algorithm::Diff::Callback, App::Genpass, Data::PowerSet::Hash and Module::Version.) * **To upgrade or not to upgrade, Perl 5.6 vs. Perl 5.14** - ik vs. Sawyer X: A source of great concern in the Perl users community is whether to use an up-to-date Perl and what version should be considered too old. On one hand, we have the management that wants as little cost and changes as possible (sometimes along with systems administrators), and on the other hand, the developer who wants to use the latest technologies, and is often stuck on obsolete systems.In light of this serious consideration, we're going to take turns poking at each other with a stick, wearing funny hats, damning the unbelievers and heretics until they submit to one side: 5.6 or 5.14! The entrance to the meeting is free-of-charge, and everyone are welcome to attend. See you there! -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Funny Anti-Terrorism Story - http://shlom.in/enemy E‐mail, web feeds, and doing something productive — choose two. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:42:24 +0200 Michael Vasiliev mycr...@infoscav.net wrote: On 12/21/2011 03:26 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? Zvi Devir has done it and ran a Haifux lecture. I believe the slides and walk-through are still available. You can find them here: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/204/ I can give you his email for further guidance if you E-mail me in private. Regards, Shlomi Fish (whose laptop came with Windows 7 pre-installed, and he kept it there because he believed it may prove of utility.). -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Understand what Open Source is - http://shlom.in/oss-fs When Chuck Norris uses git, he takes a coffee break after initiating every git commit. And then he waits for the commit to finish. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
I wrote about it in 2008: http://blog.oriidan.info/tag/%D7%AA%D7%A7%D7%93%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%98%D7%99/ Sorry for top posting, I send it from a mobile... -- Ori Idan On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:42:24 +0200 Michael Vasiliev mycr...@infoscav.net wrote: On 12/21/2011 03:26 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote: Have anyone tried to get a refund on a Windows license on a preinstall machine he bought? Is it possible in Israel? How much money will they refund? How complicated is it? Zvi Devir has done it and ran a Haifux lecture. I believe the slides and walk-through are still available. You can find them here: http://www.haifux.org/lectures/204/ I can give you his email for further guidance if you E-mail me in private. Regards, Shlomi Fish (whose laptop came with Windows 7 pre-installed, and he kept it there because he believed it may prove of utility.). -- MV ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Understand what Open Source is - http://shlom.in/oss-fs When Chuck Norris uses git, he takes a coffee break after initiating every git commit. And then he waits for the commit to finish. Please reply to list if it's a mailing list post - http://shlom.in/reply . ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Refund on preinstall Windows license in Israel [slightly OT]
On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Michael Vasiliev wrote: I assume you mean SLIC in the ACPI, so your computer just have a license key embedded in it's writable CMOS memory, so what? How's that changing anything? The data in Windows distribution has always been free, you're paying per license to use, not anything else. In fact, they insist on it being zero cost, when I ordered an upgrade disk last time, they only billed me a ridiculous sum for SH. The fact that Microsoft and vendors has always being secretive on allowing you to download the distribution CDs is another, unrelated issue. No, I wasn't. What I was referring to was that Microsoft now has a free (as in beer) operating system option, so a vendor can sell you a computer with a free Windows license. Like beer, it only lasts a short time, but their contract with Microsoft only requires them to sell you the computer with an operating system installed, not a long term license. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-( ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
