Re: (Internet Customer Service.) I would say you are somewhat missing the point.
--- On Wed, 5/27/09, sammy ominsky wrote:
It appears that someone somewhere is listening to what we
need, and doing something about it.
I would say that HOT attempts to acquire more knowledgeable {support,service}
personal. The point that Linux is starting to become main stream is much less
important for the good experience you had.
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Re: xfone 018 phone service and Linux
--- On Wed, 5/6/09, Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com wrote: Eventually I did not went with 018, as they have the ugliest support I ever seen - they don't reply on emails. I asked twice from them to send oraat keva blank, and got nothing. The broken שלך button on צור קשר page (under firefox) did not help either: http://www.018.co.il/contactus.asp I would say that is a general trend in Israel. I have more examples. Either no email address is published, or that you can't make a progress solely by email. Now I am looking in direction of 012 and have couple of questions to actual users of theirs voip service with Linux (if there are any): http://www.012.net.il/sales.aspx?docID=8639FolderID=1005lang=hetabn=0 Does the line management site (http://072web.net) works from firefox? The interface has 2 parts: one that control the more static settings, and the other control the more RT ones. Not sure about the former. The later doesn't. Note the static and RT are from an ordinary user perspective. Do they provide SIP credentials, or are these hidden in the hw sip adapter they provide? Even though I don't know what SIP credentials are, I am pretty sure they are hidden. Can Asterisk be used with the service? Probably not, unless you are looking to connect Asterisk in the same way that you would connect it to a Bezeq line. Thank you in advance! Rumor is that 074 now offers 3 months, no commitment, free ISP + land phone services. -- Arie On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 03:01, e2xbegqsdyt21hfc e2xbegqsdyt21...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know the technical details or 018. I do know that 012 provides you with a sip adapter that is plugged between the bezeq/hot modem and your PC/ordinary phone. It could be that that adapter reserve some BW for the sip packets. In any case, my experience is that both 750K ADSl/cables is sufficient for a good quality phone service, with a lightly usage for internet and phone. The sip adapter I initially had was made in the US. I assume they use a US proven technology. My current sip adapter is made by AudioCodes. 012 claims that the sip adapter they provide should work with any ISP. I had two ISPs, and in my case their claim is justified. There is also a rumor that bezeq's new generation network uses sip over copper for the phone services. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com wrote: From: Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com Subject: Re: xfone 018 phone service and Linux To: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:21 PM Hi, On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 13:54, Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.comwrote: Arie Skliarouk wrote: How do they solve the latency problems inherent to any internet connection? The round trip time to a well connected (read: 0% packet loss) server in Israel from an Israeli ISP, where Israel here is defined as connected to the IIX, is under 50ms. On a 150kbit upload ADSL upload of a 1500 bytes packet takes about 85ms. To send out the VoIP packet would take another 85ms (on condition that you have a really good QoS). This causes latency of 85-170ms with jitter 85ms. The VoIP speech (SIP protocol) has a lot of skips and is unacceptable. Theory aside, I would like to hear first-hand experiences of people with 018 before I commit for a year of phone service with them. -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Why the use of domain-literals in email addresses is strongly discouraged?
Why the use of some...@[an_explicit_ip_address] is strongly discouraged? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Why the use of domain-literals in email addresses is strongly discouraged?
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, Shachar Shemesh wrote: e2xbegqsdyt21hfc wrote: Why the use of some...@[an_explicit_ip_address] is strongly discouraged? a. Where did you get the idea it was strongly discouraged? Quoting RFC 822: Note: THE USE OF DOMAIN-LITERALS IS STRONGLY DISCOURAGED. It is permitted only as a means of bypassing temporary system limitations, such as name tables which are not complete. b. Why would you WANT to use it? I want to test an app by writing a quick/dirty wrapper that sends mail to a single, known, mail server and avoids DNS lookup. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Why the use of domain-literals in email addresses is strongly discouraged?
--- On Thu, 4/9/09, nir grinberg n...@grinberg.org wrote: just a question, how many times in avarage do you have to repeat your address, when given over the phone? :) Preferably just once. I didn't get your point. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[Off-Topic] A simple/basic question in English
Is the following paragraph correct: The program does not do that. Instead, behaves as described earlier. ? Wouldn't the following is correct, or, at least, better: The program does not do that. Instead, it behaves as described earlier. ? Note the addition of `it' near the beginning of the second sentence. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: time zone problems
--- On Sun, 3/29/09, Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote: i am 3 hours from GMT (as expected for israel daylight saving) however: struct tm time_str; ... int d=timegm(time_str)-timelocal(time_str); printf(%d\n,d); prints 7200 (which is 2*3600 - two hours). any idea ? or in in other words, how the f...@#k i get the offset from GMT c-code ? Doesn't stdc dated before DT was invented? I can only suggest gnu/doc or googe for extensions or other libs. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: bug in date?
Due to IST, there was no such time as 27 MAR 2009 02:54:00. $ date -s 27 MAR 2009 02:14:00 date: invalid date `27 MAR 2009 02:14:00' $ date -s 27 MAR 2009 02:01:00 date: invalid date `27 MAR 2009 02:01:00' --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com wrote: From: Hetz Ben Hamo het...@gmail.com Subject: bug in date? To: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:56 AM Hi, Take a look at this: # date -s 27 MAR 2009 02:54:00 date: invalid date `27 MAR 2009 02:54:00' However.. # date -s 27 MAR 2009 03:00:00 Fri Mar 27 03:00:00 IDT 2009 Why is it invalid?? Thanks, Hetz -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: xfone 018 phone service and Linux
I don't know the technical details or 018. I do know that 012 provides you with a sip adapter that is plugged between the bezeq/hot modem and your PC/ordinary phone. It could be that that adapter reserve some BW for the sip packets. In any case, my experience is that both 750K ADSl/cables is sufficient for a good quality phone service, with a lightly usage for internet and phone. The sip adapter I initially had was made in the US. I assume they use a US proven technology. My current sip adapter is made by AudioCodes. 012 claims that the sip adapter they provide should work with any ISP. I had two ISPs, and in my case their claim is justified. There is also a rumor that bezeq's new generation network uses sip over copper for the phone services. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com wrote: From: Arie Skliarouk sklia...@gmail.com Subject: Re: xfone 018 phone service and Linux To: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:21 PM Hi, On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 13:54, Gilad Ben-Yossef gi...@codefidence.comwrote: Arie Skliarouk wrote: How do they solve the latency problems inherent to any internet connection? The round trip time to a well connected (read: 0% packet loss) server in Israel from an Israeli ISP, where Israel here is defined as connected to the IIX, is under 50ms. On a 150kbit upload ADSL upload of a 1500 bytes packet takes about 85ms. To send out the VoIP packet would take another 85ms (on condition that you have a really good QoS). This causes latency of 85-170ms with jitter 85ms. The VoIP speech (SIP protocol) has a lot of skips and is unacceptable. Theory aside, I would like to hear first-hand experiences of people with 018 before I commit for a year of phone service with them. -- Arie ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: persistent disk numbering
IIRC, udev can force persistent names. You might have to configure it for that and/or use other names. --- On Sat, 2/28/09, Erez D erez0...@gmail.com wrote: From: Erez D erez0...@gmail.com Subject: persistent disk numbering To: linux-il linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Date: Saturday, February 28, 2009, 12:22 PM hi i have 2 sata disks. i boot from both (one at a time of course) when i disconnect the second, all is persistent, the first stays sda however when i disconnect the first, the seconds changes from sdb to sda is there a way to make it persistent ? (something like UID= or LABEL= as is done in fstab ) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
1) At its current state, I think the only importance of telux is having a suitable place to meet if the need arise. 2) I won't have a presentation in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeable future. 3) I doubt if I will come to a meeting in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeble future 4) I will understand, and won't take it against you, if you stop. I'm tired of being the only one who cares and volunteers. Shlomi Fish How can you say that when others come to hear and give talks? Didn't you meant to say that you are tired of the poor results and low return of your many efforts? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
