Re: AMD mobo suggestions [report]
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The newest LCD monitors (e.g. from Samsung - SyncMaster 960BF 19'') come without any controls whatsoever - all the controls are in software. Only Windows software is supplied. I have ordered the Samsung 960BF and was shocked to read in a review last Thursday that it does not have OSD buttons on the monitor. I also found the utility that Ilya mentioned at http://sourceforge.net/projects/ddccontrol/ It seems that the utility should be compatible with the 960BF (it works with the 970P) but I will find out for sure in a few days. Meanwhile I have confirmed with my reseller that I can exchange the monitor if I am not happy with it. However, I am bothered by this not just from a GNU/Linux standpoint. I just think it is a bad idea to take the control buttons out of the monitor. I can't see it as being very convenient no matter what OS or software utility is being used. Who wants to pull up a piece of software while viewing a movie or playing a game, just to adjust the brightness or contrast of the screen. A combination of buttons and software is best IMHO. BTW I wrote Samsung about the problem and they said: Dear customer Thank you for your interest to our product. In case of 960BF, it does not have OSD buttons as you know. To adjust the monitor, you need to install Magictune. But, we do not have a Magictune for Linux yet. So, if you want to purchase Samsung monitor, please find the other monitor with OSD menu buttons. We're developing the Magictune for Linux but not released yet and do not have a fixed plan for Linux yet. Thank you and best regards I am writing them back to suggest that they participate in ddccontrol development instead of creating their own tool just for Samsung products. I also asked how this product is supported on Sun systems as they claim it is. They didn't respond to this and I assume that it is not really supported on SUN as MagicTune is only made for MS and MAC. Chaim = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions [report]
Thanks for the excellent report, Oleg. Can I ask you where you purchased the system, and roughly how much it cost? Thanks, Michael On Fri, 13 Jan 2006, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rather than reading more reviews of different mobos and getting more and more worried, I would love to hear about experiences and suggestions. OK, thanks to everybody who responded to my query, and it's time for a short report on my experiences with the new computer. I got an AMD Toledo 3800+, dual core 64 bit, and ABIT KN8 Ultra-9 mobo (nVidia chipset), a PCIE GeForce 6600, on-board nVidia CK804 Serial ATA, Ethernet, USB. Fedora Core 4 installed from CDs without a hitch, but after a short while I found out that for some reason the computer started hanging. Notably, this happened a lot while yum was downloading the updates. I saw nv_stop_tx: TransmitterStatus remained busy messages from the forcedeth driver in the logs, though I am not sure whether the driver was responsible for hangs. There were no oopses, just total freeze, no response from either keyboard or mouse, nothing helped but powercycle. Looked like a deadlock to me. All this with the stock FC4 2.6.11-smp x86_64 kernel that is installed from the CDs. I did not investigate this for too long, after upgrading to 2.6.14 and then to 2.6.15 kernels from FC4 updates the problem went away, and so far the computer has been working flawlessly. One exception: Macromedia's flashplayer does not have a 64bit version, at least I didn't find one. I fooled the installer to recognize x86_64 as a valid architecture, and installation succeeded, but it does not work. Any suggestions welcome. Please keep discussions of the lessons regarding vendor lock-in, closed source, and such off this list. I suppose that installing 32-bit versions of the various browsers will help, but I am not willing to do it just for the pleasure of having flash. The only other funny thing that I found out concerned a USB keyboard (actually, wireless keyboard and mouse): the default BIOS configuration has USB keyboard disabled, which leads to a bit of a bootstrapping problem. Luckily, I have half a dozen PS/2 keyboards lying around, so after plugging one of them and enabling USB keyboard in the BIOS everything was fine. I did chuckle in the process, though. One other thing that is not related directly to my system, but a tidbit I discovered while shopping. Just something I am curious about. The newest LCD monitors (e.g. from Samsung - SyncMaster 960BF 19'') come without any controls whatsoever - all the controls are in software. Only Windows software is supplied. Question: does anyone know how it is supposed to work on non-Windows (and non-Mac) systems? The assumption apparently is that the monitor will work (for some definition of the word) without the software - otherwise how can one install it? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions [report]
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: There were no oopses, just total freeze, no response from either keyboard or mouse, nothing helped but powercycle. Looked like a deadlock to me. There are ways to debug such hangs, but let's leave it at this, especially since this is no longer a problem for you. One exception: Macromedia's flashplayer does not have a 64bit version, at least I didn't find one. I fooled the installer to recognize x86_64 as a valid architecture, and installation succeeded, but it does not work. Any suggestions welcome. Please keep discussions of the lessons regarding vendor lock-in, closed source, and such off this list. I suppose that installing 32-bit versions of the various browsers will help, but I am not willing to do it just for the pleasure of having flash. It's nothing particular to your configuration, but rather how all x86_64 systems work, whether Linux or Windows. You cannot load 32-bit DLL files into a 64-bit program, so the 32-bit Flash plugin cannot load into your 64-bit Mozilla. There isn't any significant speed penalty for running a 32-bit Mozilla on your 64-bit system and it's unlikely your Mozilla will use more than 4GB memory, so you might do what most sane people do and keep your Mozilla / Firefox as an i386 package. Same goes for MPlayer needing to be 32-bit to load Win32 DLLs (for codecs which ffmpeg doesn't yet support, such as WMV3). You might notice that bi-arch x86_64 distros such as Fedora supply 32-bit builds of such essential packages in addition to the 64-bit ones. It goes the other way too: If you run a 32-bit Mozilla, you'd need a 32-bit edition of the Java Runtime Engine to use Java applets. Luckily, you can have the 32-bit edition and 64-bit editions of Sun's JRE installed side-by-side. One other thing that is not related directly to my system, but a tidbit I discovered while shopping. Just something I am curious about. The newest LCD monitors (e.g. from Samsung - SyncMaster 960BF 19'') come without any controls whatsoever - all the controls are in software. Only Windows software is supplied. Question: does anyone know how it is supposed to work on non-Windows (and non-Mac) systems? The assumption apparently is that the monitor will work (for some definition of the word) without the software - otherwise how can one install it? Check this out: http://jaffar.cs.msu.su/oleg/ddcci/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions [report]
Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are ways to debug such hangs I understand that. ;-) It's nothing particular to your configuration, but rather how all x86_64 systems work, whether Linux or Windows. I understand all of that, too. My point is that I don't want to install all sorts of apps and dependencies in 2 versions, maintain all that, and, say, run the 64bit version by default and switch to the 32bit one when I need to view a flash. I have little need for flash, really - I just mentioned that as a part of my report. You know, one thing that still does not work. MacroMedia's plugins for Windows and Mac are at v. 8, the Linux variant is still at v. 7, so maybe they will update it at some point. This situation has been going on for many months now. Check this out: http://jaffar.cs.msu.su/oleg/ddcci/ Cool - thanks! -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions [report]
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: It's nothing particular to your configuration, but rather how all x86_64 systems work, whether Linux or Windows. I understand all of that, too. My point is that I don't want to install all sorts of apps and dependencies in 2 versions, maintain all that, and, say, run the 64bit version by default and switch to the 32bit one when I need to view a flash. I have little need for flash, really - I just mentioned that as a part of my report. You know, one thing that still does not work. There's no harm in simply running the i386 version of Mozilla/Firefox without even installing the x86_64 version. It works just as well. MacroMedia's plugins for Windows and Mac are at v. 8, the Linux variant is still at v. 7, so maybe they will update it at some point. This situation has been going on for many months now. At one of Macromedia's blog posts, they've said that they did plenty of low-level optimizations so an x86_64 version isn't trivial, but they're doing it. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's no harm in simply running the i386 version of Mozilla/Firefox without even installing the x86_64 version. It works just as well. Yeah, but the 64-bit version is already installed. I just don't care. If I can't watch something I really need to I can just as well do it on my 32-bit laptop. By the way, strictly speaking it is not quite true that there is no penalty in running a mix. For instance, you will have to keep two sets of shared libraries in memory. Of course, it is a silly argument for an unloaded home system with a gig of RAM... At one of Macromedia's blog posts, they've said that they did plenty of low-level optimizations so an x86_64 version isn't trivial, but they're doing it. Fine - let's hope they will do it soon. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions
On 26 Dec 2005 11:57:49 +, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: * Have you got a mobo that worked out of the box and without a major driver hassle? I have ASUS mobo with dual Opteron, 1 SCSI disk, 1 SATA disk, Broadcom Gigabit Ethernet (onboard). I did not have any drive hassle, but I have to add acpi=off noapic to boot it (i.e. linux acpi=off noapic command to install FC4). I also tried to install SUSE-10 but it failed. The 32 bit FC4 installed without the noapic but the Ethernet did not work and the screen worked poorly. I did not try the sound device (this is a server). * Will I be better off with Intel-based systems given my requirements? CPU performance is not really critical for me, 64-bit Intel systems seem to sell cheaper than low-end Athlon64's, possibly at the expense of some performance, the mobos I've been offered have Intel GPUs and Realtek NICs that seem to be better supported - is this impression an illusion? I did not have any problems at all with dual Xeon 64 bits (but it has Intel mobo with SCSI disks and Broadcom Gigabit Ethernet) Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions
Here are links to an excellent three part article on the ultimate and budget GNU/Linux box. I have found it very helpful. For the budget box the author of the article chose the ASUS A8N-SLI. Components: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/04/1356245mode=thread Hardware Installation: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/04/1356245mode=thread Performance and Benchmarks: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/06/2138210mode=thread I am also buying a new machine but have chosen the GigaByte GA-K8N Ultra-9, for a few reasons: 1. I don't need SLI. I'd rather have the extra PCI slot that non-SLI mobo's have. 2. This board has built in FireWire IEEE 1394b, notice the b, 3.2Gbps as apposed to the older 400 Mbps standard. 3. It has on board WiFi, quite nice. 4. My reseller says Gigabyte has better service in Israel. I have listed below the components I have chosen for my new system. I must stress that although I have researched the components for Linux compatibility, I have not yet received or elsewhere tested the components. I will report back with compatibility results in a few weeks. Here is the configuration I have chosen (comments are welcome). Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-K8N ULTRA-9 CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Dual Core GPU: nVidia GeForce 6600 PCIEX 256MB HDD: 2 X WD 2000JS (SATA 3Gb 200GB) RAM: 2GB (512x4) DVD: Two, one reader only and one RW Diskette Drive: For BIOS upgrades Case: ThermalTake Soprano Power Supply: ThermalTake 460W Keyboard: Logitech Mouse: Logitech Optical Monitor: Samsung 960BF LCD 19 Video Capture Card: Pinnacle PCI-500 Speakers: Altec Lansing ATP3 Headset: Logitech Premium USB Headset 350 Scanner: Epson 3490 UPS: Ippon 1000KV Bluetooth: USB dongle Chaim Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking into buying a new computer, and I am considering 64-bit AMD. One of the things I am getting a bit uncertain about is the level of support for AMD motherboards commonly available in neighbourhood computer shops. It is going to be my main home station, and it is important to me that things will work out of the box more or less OK with modern distros (e.g. Fedora 4), and that I don't spend too much time and effort downloading different drivers from assorted manufacturers that will provide partial functionality with particular kernel versions etc. In other words, I put a premium on minimizing the hassle. I also don't want to buy new HW every year or two - I want a box that will serve me for the next few years. It will not be greatly stressed, but stability and longevity is very important. The more I read the more concerned I become. For instance, the latest AMD mobo I've been offered is ASUS A8N-VM CSM. I tried to look through 2.6 kernel configuration options and also read some reviews, especially Linux-related ones. Here is a typical (and recent) one: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/924000436731/p/1 - I certainly don't want any of the hassle and instabilities and cooling problems listed there. Rather than reading more reviews of different mobos and getting more and more worried, I would love to hear about experiences and suggestions. * Have you got a mobo that worked out of the box and without a major driver hassle? * Have you got a mobo that you would advise staying away from? * Will I be better off with Intel-based systems given my requirements? CPU performance is not really critical for me, 64-bit Intel systems seem to sell cheaper than low-end Athlon64's, possibly at the expense of some performance, the mobos I've been offered have Intel GPUs and Realtek NICs that seem to be better supported - is this impression an illusion? Any relevant advice will be appreciated. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Two corrections, see below. Chaim Keren Tzion wrote: Here are links to an excellent three part article on the ultimate and budget GNU/Linux box. I have found it very helpful. For the budget box the author of the article chose the ASUS A8N-SLI. Components: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/04/1356245mode=thread Hardware Installation: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/04/1356245mode=thread Performance and Benchmarks: http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/06/2138210mode=thread I am also buying a new machine but have chosen the GigaByte GA-K8N Ultra-9, for a few reasons: 1. I don't need SLI. I'd rather have the extra PCI slot that non-SLI mobo's have. 2. This board has built in FireWire IEEE 1394b, notice the b, 3.2Gbps as apposed to the older 400 Mbps standard. Although the IEEE 1394b standard is said to support 3.2Gbps, the current implementation seems to be 800 Mbps. 3. It has on board WiFi, quite nice. I was mistaken. The *GA-K8NXP-9 includes a WiFi card, the *GA-K8N Ultra-9 does not have any WiFi capabilities. 4. My reseller says Gigabyte has better service in Israel. I have listed below the components I have chosen for my new system. I must stress that although I have researched the components for Linux compatibility, I have not yet received or elsewhere tested the components. I will report back with compatibility results in a few weeks. Here is the configuration I have chosen (comments are welcome). Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-K8N ULTRA-9 CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Dual Core GPU: nVidia GeForce 6600 PCIEX 256MB HDD: 2 X WD 2000JS (SATA 3Gb 200GB) RAM: 2GB (512x4) DVD: Two, one reader only and one RW Diskette Drive: For BIOS upgrades Case: ThermalTake Soprano Power Supply: ThermalTake 460W Keyboard: Logitech Mouse: Logitech Optical Monitor: Samsung 960BF LCD 19 Video Capture Card: Pinnacle PCI-500 Speakers: Altec Lansing ATP3 Headset: Logitech Premium USB Headset 350 Scanner: Epson 3490 UPS: Ippon 1000KV Bluetooth: USB dongle Chaim Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking into buying a new computer, and I am considering 64-bit AMD. One of the things I am getting a bit uncertain about is the level of support for AMD motherboards commonly available in neighbourhood computer shops. It is going to be my main home station, and it is important to me that things will work out of the box more or less OK with modern distros (e.g. Fedora 4), and that I don't spend too much time and effort downloading different drivers from assorted manufacturers that will provide partial functionality with particular kernel versions etc. In other words, I put a premium on minimizing the hassle. I also don't want to buy new HW every year or two - I want a box that will serve me for the next few years. It will not be greatly stressed, but stability and longevity is very important. The more I read the more concerned I become. For instance, the latest AMD mobo I've been offered is ASUS A8N-VM CSM. I tried to look through 2.6 kernel configuration options and also read some reviews, especially Linux-related ones. Here is a typical (and recent) one: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/924000436731/p/1 - I certainly don't want any of the hassle and instabilities and cooling problems listed there. Rather than reading more reviews of different mobos and getting more and more worried, I would love to hear about experiences and suggestions. * Have you got a mobo that worked out of the box and without a major driver hassle? * Have you got a mobo that you would advise staying away from? * Will I be better off with Intel-based systems given my requirements? CPU performance is not really critical for me, 64-bit Intel systems seem to sell cheaper than low-end Athlon64's, possibly at the expense of some performance, the mobos I've been offered have Intel GPUs and Realtek NICs that seem to be better supported - is this impression an illusion? Any relevant advice will be appreciated. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
AMD mobo suggestions
Hi everyone, I am looking into buying a new computer, and I am considering 64-bit AMD. One of the things I am getting a bit uncertain about is the level of support for AMD motherboards commonly available in neighbourhood computer shops. It is going to be my main home station, and it is important to me that things will work out of the box more or less OK with modern distros (e.g. Fedora 4), and that I don't spend too much time and effort downloading different drivers from assorted manufacturers that will provide partial functionality with particular kernel versions etc. In other words, I put a premium on minimizing the hassle. I also don't want to buy new HW every year or two - I want a box that will serve me for the next few years. It will not be greatly stressed, but stability and longevity is very important. The more I read the more concerned I become. For instance, the latest AMD mobo I've been offered is ASUS A8N-VM CSM. I tried to look through 2.6 kernel configuration options and also read some reviews, especially Linux-related ones. Here is a typical (and recent) one: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/924000436731/p/1 - I certainly don't want any of the hassle and instabilities and cooling problems listed there. Rather than reading more reviews of different mobos and getting more and more worried, I would love to hear about experiences and suggestions. * Have you got a mobo that worked out of the box and without a major driver hassle? * Have you got a mobo that you would advise staying away from? * Will I be better off with Intel-based systems given my requirements? CPU performance is not really critical for me, 64-bit Intel systems seem to sell cheaper than low-end Athlon64's, possibly at the expense of some performance, the mobos I've been offered have Intel GPUs and Realtek NICs that seem to be better supported - is this impression an illusion? Any relevant advice will be appreciated. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AMD mobo suggestions
I've had a Gigabyte K8NS Ultra-939 (with a 3200 64bit CPU) for over a year and the only problem I've had was that when I set the BIOS to use Dual Channel DDR400 memory, the system seemed a bit unstable - but that may be a memory (hardware) problem - I never bothered to check. After disabling the Dual Channel feature everything runs out of the box. This Motherboard has lots of extra features that you may not need (in fact I guess I don't either) like dual Raid, 2 on-board LAN chips (10/100 10/100/1000) and even a Dual BIOS. It also has a hardware Firewall, but that feature is NOT supported by Linux (although I think it's only a problem with the front-end software which runs on Windows only). In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. My system is Mandrake 10.1 (out of the box kernel - 2.6.8.1-12mdk). On Monday 26 December 2005 13:57, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Hi everyone, I am looking into buying a new computer, and I am considering 64-bit AMD. One of the things I am getting a bit uncertain about is the level of support for AMD motherboards commonly available in neighbourhood computer shops. It is going to be my main home station, and it is important to me that things will work out of the box more or less OK with modern distros (e.g. Fedora 4), and that I don't spend too much time and effort downloading different drivers from assorted manufacturers that will provide partial functionality with particular kernel versions etc. In other words, I put a premium on minimizing the hassle. I also don't want to buy new HW every year or two - I want a box that will serve me for the next few years. It will not be greatly stressed, but stability and longevity is very important. The more I read the more concerned I become. For instance, the latest AMD mobo I've been offered is ASUS A8N-VM CSM. I tried to look through 2.6 kernel configuration options and also read some reviews, especially Linux-related ones. Here is a typical (and recent) one: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/77909774/m/924000436 731/p/1 - I certainly don't want any of the hassle and instabilities and cooling problems listed there. Rather than reading more reviews of different mobos and getting more and more worried, I would love to hear about experiences and suggestions. * Have you got a mobo that worked out of the box and without a major driver hassle? * Have you got a mobo that you would advise staying away from? * Will I be better off with Intel-based systems given my requirements? CPU performance is not really critical for me, 64-bit Intel systems seem to sell cheaper than low-end Athlon64's, possibly at the expense of some performance, the mobos I've been offered have Intel GPUs and Realtek NICs that seem to be better supported - is this impression an illusion? Any relevant advice will be appreciated. -- Shlomo Solomon http://the-solomons.net Sent by KMail 1.7.1 (KDE 3.2.3) on LINUX Mandrake 10.1 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've had a Gigabyte K8NS Ultra-939 (with a 3200 64bit CPU) for over a year and the only problem I've had was that when I set the BIOS to use Dual Channel DDR400 memory, the system seemed a bit unstable - but that may be a memory (hardware) problem - I never bothered to check. After disabling the Dual Channel feature everything runs out of the box. Thanks, Shlomo, it's helpful indeed. This Motherboard has lots of extra features that you may not need (in fact I guess I don't either) like dual Raid, 2 on-board LAN chips (10/100 10/100/1000) NVidia Gbit? Are you using the forcedeth driver? Does it work without a problem? I have just given the code (the comments, actually :) in 2.6.12 a quick look and it seems that some problems are not excluded. This is also mentioned in some of the reviews of nVidia-based boards I've seen so far. Can anyone say anything about the Abit KN8 Ultra-9 mobo? It has nForce4 Ultra chipset, nVidia's LAN chip, and GeForce 6600 PCI-E graphics card. It looks like the latter will not be a problem driver-wise. The LAN chip still has me concerned a bit. I have googled around but there does not seem to be a lot of useful info. In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. Definitely ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 2005-12-26 at 17:16 +, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: After disabling the Dual Channel feature everything runs out of the box. On EPoX 8KDA3J, two DIMMs don't work reliably when placed into slot #2 + #3 (but work great in slot #0 + #1). That's a problem known to EPoX. Don't know if it has any relevance to this Dual Channel issue. This Motherboard has lots of extra features that you may not need (in fact I guess I don't either) like dual Raid, 2 on-board LAN chips (10/100 10/100/1000) NVidia Gbit? Are you using the forcedeth driver? I used forcedeth on two NVidia NForce3-based boards (Gigabyte K8NS and EPOX 8KDA3J) flawlessly. The only issue I've got with it - is that it doesn't allow configuring a custom MAC address (ifconfig eth0 hwaddr ...) but I think that's fixed in the latest kernels. In short, my NForce3 boards require the following drivers to operate: - sata_nv (SATA Controller) - forcedeth (Ethernet Controller) - snd_intel8x0 (Sound) All came with stock kernel (and were supported out-of-the-box on Fedora Core 3 and higher). and even a Dual BIOS. You won't be saying that when you'll be holding a board with a failed BIOS upgrade... In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. Definitely ;-) I'm not much of a believer in CPU upgrades. Keep in mind the board costs much less than a new CPU, and once its time to upgrade the CPU, you might want some more components up to shape (e.g. RAM with some new technology) and the board is the carrier of all those... If anything, the benefit of a 939 board is a PCI Express slot (instead of AGP), in case you want a decent graphics card. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In any case, go for a 939 pin board (not 754) since this will allow future upgrapes of the CPU. Definitely ;-) I'm not much of a believer in CPU upgrades. Oh, I didn't mean I was planning a future CPU upgrade. I meant I was looking at 939 boards and not on 754 boards. Thanks for the info, Ilya. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
