Hebrew and Evolution 2.4.1
Hi Guys and Gals,I wonder, any of was successful in configuring Hebrew with Evolution 2.4.1?It is really annoying - especially when I try to answer e-mails written to me in Hebrew. I have to fight the first line to go down (new line) Thanks!-- ::.Amichai RotmanUIN#: 6401746Registered Linux User#: 201192 [http://counter.li.org/ ]PLEASE READ: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ---
Re: Hebrew and Evolution 2.4.1
On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 11:21 +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi Guys and Gals, I wonder, any of was successful in configuring Hebrew with Evolution 2.4.1? It is really annoying - especially when I try to answer e-mails written to me in Hebrew. I have to fight the first line to go down (new line) Thanks! There's a known bug in gtkhtml that causes breaks Hebrew bidi support. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314988 I've yet to test it with newer gtkhtml versions. (I'll give it a try when I'll finish downloading FC5t3) Gilboa = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4
On Wed, Jun 15, 2005, Omer Zak wrote about Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4: Please notice that for some of my receipients, UTF-8 is not an option. Can you please eleborate? As far as I know, all modern email clients can deal with UTF-8 just as confortably as they deal with ISO-8859-8. Antique clients (say, a textual mail program on Unix) will anyway need a conversion program (a la bidiv) to display Hebrew, so again UTF-8 and ISO-8859-8 are just as easy to view. -- Nadav Har'El| Thursday, Jun 16 2005, 9 Sivan 5765 [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |The two rules for success are: 1. Never http://nadav.harel.org.il |tell them everything you know. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4
On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Wed, Jun 15, 2005, Omer Zak wrote about Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4: Please notice that for some of my receipients, UTF-8 is not an option. Can you please eleborate? As far as I know, all modern email clients can deal with UTF-8 just as confortably as they deal with ISO-8859-8. Antique clients (say, a textual mail program on Unix) will anyway need a conversion program (a la bidiv) to display Hebrew, so again UTF-8 and ISO-8859-8 are just as easy to view. The problem with those receipients is not with software's features but with its user-friendliness. In other words: they have to manually switch from UTF-8 to iso-8859-8/8-i (or Windows 1255) rather than have the software automatically do this for them. AND they do not remember the menu command for doing this. The software in question is also closed source, so I don't have the option of having it modified for their convenience. --- Omer My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4
file a bug report and hack teh code...? , 15 2005, 21:57,Omer Zak: Hello Shlomi, (This E-mail message was sent to the Linux-IL mailing list, because I believe that the topic is of general interest.) You are right about the problem with the way I send Hebrew E-mail messages. I use Evolution, Version 2.0.4 (vanilla Debian Sarge) to send E-mail. The menu of available encodings (for both sending and receiving E-mail) omit iso-8859-8-i, so I use only iso-8859-8. Most of my receipients seem to have E-mail clients which override this and display it The Right Way (TM). The question is how to configure evolution to allow me to select iso-8859-8-i. I tried to check for configuration files in ~/.evolution and in /etc/gconf - but of no avail. Please notice that for some of my receipients, UTF-8 is not an option. Thanks, --- Omer On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 13:26 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi Omer! Your Hebrew message is encoded incorrectly. kmail displays the Hebrew in reverse. It is probably encoded as iso-8858-8 instead of iso-8859-8-i. It is always a better idea to use UTF-8. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Wednesday 15 June 2005 12:36, Omer Zak wrote: [... Hebrew message was snipped ...] -- diego, kde-il translation team, http://www.kde.org/il Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4
Hello Shlomi, (This E-mail message was sent to the Linux-IL mailing list, because I believe that the topic is of general interest.) You are right about the problem with the way I send Hebrew E-mail messages. I use Evolution, Version 2.0.4 (vanilla Debian Sarge) to send E-mail. The menu of available encodings (for both sending and receiving E-mail) omit iso-8859-8-i, so I use only iso-8859-8. Most of my receipients seem to have E-mail clients which override this and display it The Right Way (TM). The question is how to configure evolution to allow me to select iso-8859-8-i. I tried to check for configuration files in ~/.evolution and in /etc/gconf - but of no avail. Please notice that for some of my receipients, UTF-8 is not an option. Thanks, --- Omer On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 13:26 +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi Omer! Your Hebrew message is encoded incorrectly. kmail displays the Hebrew in reverse. It is probably encoded as iso-8858-8 instead of iso-8859-8-i. It is always a better idea to use UTF-8. Regards, Shlomi Fish On Wednesday 15 June 2005 12:36, Omer Zak wrote: [... Hebrew message was snipped ...] -- MS-Windows is the Pal-Kal of the PC world. My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4
The question is how to configure evolution to allow me to select iso-8859-8-i. I tried to check for configuration files in ~/.evolution and in /etc/gconf - but of no avail. Look for CP1255, or Code Page 1255 or Windows 1255 - they are exactly as ISO8859-8-i Thanks, Hetz To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4
I just checked with Evolution and Outlook 2003 Outlook uses this string: windows-1255 For logical mail, and I see that you can add it in Evolution. Thanks, Hetz On 6/15/05, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is how to configure evolution to allow me to select iso-8859-8-i. I tried to check for configuration files in ~/.evolution and in /etc/gconf - but of no avail. Look for CP1255, or Code Page 1255 or Windows 1255 - they are exactly as ISO8859-8-i Thanks, Hetz To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew in Evolution 2.0.4
On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 21:46 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: The question is how to configure evolution to allow me to select iso-8859-8-i. I tried to check for configuration files in ~/.evolution and in /etc/gconf - but of no avail. Look for CP1255, or Code Page 1255 or Windows 1255 - they are exactly as ISO8859-8-i Thanks, Hetz I grepped also for the string 1255 at those directories, but of no avail. So it seems that evolution takes its list of encodings from another place. I looked in /usr/lib/evolution and /usr/share/evolution and in both cases I failed to find any relevant clue. Maybe those encodings are shudderhardwired/shudder in library files (some of which matched when I grepped for 8859 and for 1255)? Another suggestion, please? Thanks, --- Omer -- MS-Windows is the Pal-Kal of the PC world. My own blog is at http://www.livejournal.com/users/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew on Evolution
Ilya Konstantinov wrote: I don't think that gtkhtml will be able to support bidi in the future, so I think the best option we have is that Ximian will decide using Gecko for Evo2, or someone will hack it by itself and send the patches to ximian. I repeat again -- Ximian has the intention to add BiDi support to gtkhtml; Larry Ewig of Ximian told me they're going to add it in a few months. What you COULD do is to learn what Bonobo interfaces are implemented by GtkHTML and create a Bonobo component which implements those interfaces using Mozilla/Composer. (I recall there was a Vi plugin for Evolution 1.2 made in such fashion.) If you are into coding, why not work on BiDi support for gtkHTML ? -- Oded ::.. Every person has his price. Mine is $3.95. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew on Evolution
On Thursday 26 June 2003 12:05, Oded Arbel wrote: Ilya Konstantinov wrote: I don't think that gtkhtml will be able to support bidi in the future, so I think the best option we have is that Ximian will decide using Gecko for Evo2, or someone will hack it by itself and send the patches to ximian. I repeat again -- Ximian has the intention to add BiDi support to gtkhtml; Larry Ewig of Ximian told me they're going to add it in a few months. What you COULD do is to learn what Bonobo interfaces are implemented by GtkHTML and create a Bonobo component which implements those interfaces using Mozilla/Composer. (I recall there was a Vi plugin for Evolution 1.2 made in such fashion.) If you are into coding, why not work on BiDi support for gtkHTML ? Because Mozilla and Composer already have it (displaying and editing of BiDi HTML) done for you. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew on Evolution (was: kde)
If I am not mistaking Evo uses gtkhtml to render the message + the message editor. If I recall gtkhtml does not support logical hebrew/bidi. They refuse using Gecko for some reason. I don't think that gtkhtml will be able to support bidi in the future, so I think the best option we have is that Ximian will decide using Gecko for Evo2, or someone will hack it by itself and send the patches to ximian. kmail still rocks :) , 25 2003, 08:06, Gilboa Davara : No go. Same problem. They have right justification but I don't see no bidi option. Gilboa On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 23:59, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:47:25PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Doesn't really work. As you see from the above. (Visual Hebrew charset) Am I missing something? (I'm using the 1.4 release.) Might I suggest that you use a charset name that is used with logical Hebrew? ISO-8859-8-i windows-1255 UTF-8 -- - diego _ / If you want to get rich from writing, \ | write the sort of thing that's read by | | persons who move their lips when the're | \ reading to themselves. -- Don Marquis / - \ ^__^ \ (xx)\___ (__)\ )\/\ U ||w | || || Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew on Evolution (was: kde)
On Wednesday 25 June 2003 14:46, Diego Iastrubni wrote: If I am not mistaking Evo uses gtkhtml to render the message + the message editor. If I recall gtkhtml does not support logical hebrew/bidi. They refuse using Gecko for some reason. They consider gtkhtml to be less featurefull (but just enough for casual HTML mail) and thus less exploitable. I don't think that gtkhtml will be able to support bidi in the future, so I think the best option we have is that Ximian will decide using Gecko for Evo2, or someone will hack it by itself and send the patches to ximian. I repeat again -- Ximian has the intention to add BiDi support to gtkhtml; Larry Ewig of Ximian told me they're going to add it in a few months. What you COULD do is to learn what Bonobo interfaces are implemented by GtkHTML and create a Bonobo component which implements those interfaces using Mozilla/Composer. (I recall there was a Vi plugin for Evolution 1.2 made in such fashion.) = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hebrew on Evolution (was: kde)
No go. Same problem. They have right justification but I don't see no bidi option. Gilboa On Tue, 2003-06-24 at 23:59, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2003 at 11:47:25PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote: Doesn't really work. As you see from the above. (Visual Hebrew charset) Am I missing something? (I'm using the 1.4 release.) Might I suggest that you use a charset name that is used with logical Hebrew? ISO-8859-8-i windows-1255 UTF-8 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew in evolution
Hi On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Diego G. Iastrubni wrote: Hi linux users! There were a few questions about writing in hebrew under evolution. I made this, here arethe steps I made: 1) on the script that start X: LC_CTYPE=he_IL biditext gnome-session This means that the whole gnome session will run with biditext (including any web browser) 2) on evolution I made a new charset: iso8859-8. (unrecognized) Note that mail should be marked as ISO-8859-8-i , not ISO-8859-8 3) please be sure that you can change the keyboard layout... 4) on gnome-cc html-viewer, I put a hebrew font. Mine is arial. The same on Theme selector. 5) Send the mail as unicode. As unicode? Will that be UTF-8? Will the resulting message be indeed UTF-8? now you can type in hebrew and see it. I managed tosee hebrew even without the LC_CTYPE, I suppose it uses unicode. As for message itself, I could not read it OK without LC_CTYPE. You will probably have a hard time typing hebrew without setting LC_CTYPE (or LANG) to he_IL . BTW: You can tell biditext not to check the charset by setting BIDITEXT_OPTIONS to 'NO_CHECK_CHARSET' The biditext gnome-session could be ignored if you are running from kde, and gnome libs are not loaded while running evolution, if you run biditext evolution, you will load all gnome libs with biditext too. Mandrake 8.1, evolution 0.13, bla bla bla... Hope this helpes you Same settings. However, there seems to be one major problem: it seems that every word is reversed seperately. As if evolution prints eny word separatly to the screen. (I've tried to trace that with 'BIDITEXT_OPTIONS=TRACE_LOG2VIS biditext evolution'. However, I can't see the output trace from those components, as they don't have a terminal. Thus I'm not sure that indeed biditext gets every word seperately) -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew in evolution
On 2001 December 24 ,Monday 16:53, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Hi On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Diego G. Iastrubni wrote: Hi linux users! There were a few questions about writing in hebrew under evolution. I made this, here arethe steps I made: 1) on the script that start X: LC_CTYPE=he_IL biditext gnome-session This means that the whole gnome session will run with biditext (including any web browser) 2) on evolution I made a new charset: iso8859-8. (unrecognized) Note that mail should be marked as ISO-8859-8-i , not ISO-8859-8 3) please be sure that you can change the keyboard layout... 4) on gnome-cc html-viewer, I put a hebrew font. Mine is arial. The same on Theme selector. 5) Send the mail as unicode. As unicode? Will that be UTF-8? Will the resulting message be indeed UTF-8? now you can type in hebrew and see it. I managed tosee hebrew even without the LC_CTYPE, I suppose it uses unicode. As for message itself, I could not read it OK without LC_CTYPE. You will probably have a hard time typing hebrew without setting LC_CTYPE (or LANG) to he_IL . do this test: run evolution without LC_CTYPe, and it will write in the subject at least. funny I thought that gtk usrs ascii or whatever 8 bit I/O BTW: You can tell biditext not to check the charset by setting BIDITEXT_OPTIONS to 'NO_CHECK_CHARSET' The biditext gnome-session could be ignored if you are running from kde, and gnome libs are not loaded while running evolution, if you run biditext evolution, you will load all gnome libs with biditext too. Mandrake 8.1, evolution 0.13, bla bla bla... Hope this helpes you Same settings. Cool. How do I get biditext not lo be loaded wit ha specific program? (konqueror, mozilla, galleon etc?). Actually it seems that the only difference will be that visual sites will now be logical and logical will be visual (instead of 8859-8 use 8859-8-i). But reality lughts at your face. However, there seems to be one major problem: it seems that every word is reversed seperately. As if evolution prints eny word separatly to the screen. Seen that on xmms when run with LC_CTYPE, without it is OK. (I've tried to trace that with 'BIDITEXT_OPTIONS=TRACE_LOG2VIS biditext evolution'. However, I can't see the output trace from those components, as they don't have a terminal. Thus I'm not sure that indeed biditext gets every word seperately) -- What kind of love is that? Not to be loved; never to have shown love. -- Commissioner Nancy Hedford, Metamorphosis, stardate 3219.8 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hebrew in evolution
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Diego G. Iastrubni wrote: On 2001 December 24 รก,Monday 16:53, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Hi On Thu, 20 Dec 2001, Diego G. Iastrubni wrote: Hi linux users! There were a few questions about writing in hebrew under evolution. I made this, here arethe steps I made: 1) on the script that start X: LC_CTYPE=he_IL biditext gnome-session This means that the whole gnome session will run with biditext (including any web browser) 2) on evolution I made a new charset: iso8859-8. (unrecognized) Note that mail should be marked as ISO-8859-8-i , not ISO-8859-8 3) please be sure that you can change the keyboard layout... 4) on gnome-cc html-viewer, I put a hebrew font. Mine is arial. The same on Theme selector. 5) Send the mail as unicode. As unicode? Will that be UTF-8? Will the resulting message be indeed UTF-8? now you can type in hebrew and see it. I managed tosee hebrew even without the LC_CTYPE, I suppose it uses unicode. As for message itself, I could not read it OK without LC_CTYPE. You will probably have a hard time typing hebrew without setting LC_CTYPE (or LANG) to he_IL . do this test: run evolution without LC_CTYPe, and it will write in the subject at least. funny I thought that gtk usrs ascii or whatever 8 bit I/O Yes, but XLib represents symbols from key-presses as 32bit codes. The translation from this to the 8bit in gtk 1.2 prints nothing in case that those symbols are not valid characters in the current charset. Newer libraries don't rely on this rutine of X and do the conversion by themselves. Thus mozilla, QT (= 2.3) and gtk2 don't have this problem. Cool. How do I get biditext not lo be loaded wit ha specific program? If you can set the command that launces this program, then unset (or nullify) the value of LD_PRELOAD. Otherwise, I'm not sure. Keep in mind that KDE also has a component architechture that allows for several processes to easily display in one application window. It also plays games with kdeinit. (konqueror, mozilla, galleon etc?). Actually it seems that the only difference will be that visual sites will now be logical and logical will be visual (instead of 8859-8 use 8859-8-i). But reality lughts at your face. It is not that simple. Applying the bidi algorithm to visual Hebrew doesn't give you exactly logical Hebrew. However, there seems to be one major problem: it seems that every word is reversed seperately. As if evolution prints eny word separatly to the screen. Seen that on xmms when run with LC_CTYPE, without it is OK. Strange... -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hebrew in evolution
Hi linux users! There were a few questions about writing in hebrew under evolution. I made this, here are the steps I made: 1) on the script that start X: LC_CTYPE=he_IL biditext gnome-session 2) on evolution I made a new charset: iso8859-8. (unrecognized) 3) please be sure that you can change the keyboard layout... 4) on gnome-cc html-viewer, I put a hebrew font. Mine is arial. The same on Theme selector. 5) Send the mail as unicode. now you can type in hebrew and see it. I managed to see hebrew even without the LC_CTYPE, I suppose it uses unicode. As for message itself, I could not read it OK without LC_CTYPE. The biditext gnome-session could be ignored if you are running from kde, and gnome libs are not loaded while running evolution, if you run biditext evolution, you will load all gnome libs with biditext too. Mandrake 8.1, evolution 0.13, bla bla bla... Hope this helpes you - diego -- All this wheeling and dealing around, why, it isn't for money, it's for fun. Money's just the way we keep score. -- Henry Tyroon = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew on Evolution
From: Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lior Kesos [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hebrew on Evolution Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 04:06:26 +0200 (IST) Hello list, I know Ilya and other local gtk-bidi hackers have discussed thgis before but has anybody gotten evolution to see hebrew e-mail properly. Not much luck here. See recent thread about biditext and evolution. But maybe you can run all of the bonobo components under biditext (that is: with LD_PROLOAD=/path/to/biditext.so ) I've tried the 1.0 release and it does look impressive but mozilla's proper hebrew is hard to beat and although I'd like to shift to evolution I won't untill I can find a way to read hebrew mails normally on evolution. Hmmm... does evolution use gecko to present html mail? What about text mail? IIRC, Evolution uses the gtkhtml widget to both edit and show html mail. Yosi _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hebrew on Evolution
btw does anyone else get to the point were pressing on calender makes it crash? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Thu, 6 Dec 2001, Lior Kesos wrote: Hello list, I know Ilya and other local gtk-bidi hackers have discussed thgis before but has anybody gotten evolution to see hebrew e-mail properly. I've tried the 1.0 release and it does look impressive but mozilla's proper hebrew is hard to beat and although I'd like to shift to evolution I won't untill I can find a way to read hebrew mails normally on evolution. Any ideas ? -- Lior Kesos ,[EMAIL PROTECTED] Team Manager ,Aduva Research Reality is for people who lack imagination. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
