Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
2013/6/30 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
Hi Eliyahu,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 04:11:57PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
What is the output of 'lspci -n'?
1969:1090
The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize
this...
Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is:
linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic
Are you sure it is not 'atlx'?
my modprobe history don't lie ;) neither does lspci -v
The alx driver was merged into the mainline kernel a few days ago (commit
ab69bde6 alx: add a simple AR816x/AR817x device driver). Its list of
supported PCI IDs include PCI_VENDOR_ID_ATTANSIC:ALX_DEV_ID_AR8162 (=
1969:1090). Kernel version 3.10 which is about to be released in a few days,
should have support for this hardware out of the box.
Cool :)
I hope they also solved the issue with it preventing suspend (I
now unload it manually and only reload it when I need wired
networking)
Although that may be a pm bug and not kernel...
Regards,
Eliyahu - אליהו
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
What problems did you have with recent motherboards? I have generally had very little to no problems with recent stuff, although it obviously depends on what technologies are being used. On my new laptop the installation was less fun but this was/is mainly due to UEFI, the way it boots things (it wouldn't boot my bootable disk-on-key, but simple bootable disk-on-keys worked [mine has multiple OS'es/distros]). The Intel H61 series chipset is certified to work with Ubuntu since 11.10 as is the H77 obviously that does not cover the additional components on the board but it's a start http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/make/Intel%20Corporation/?page=5 I suspect that what will give and gave most problems recently is the UEFI which changes the way we treat how our computer boots: - You have to have a vfat boot partition of ~250MiB at the beginning of the disk (mount at /boot/efi and _not_ at /boot, you can have a separate /boot too though) - The disk needs to use got and not a dos partiton table etc. Basically a lot of our skills at booting a system have become obsolete... Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו 2012/12/25 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a place to buy a computer. That part I did understand. What I did NOT understand is how can a retail vendor of computers warranty that a particular disto of Linux will run on a specific computer unless that Linux comes from the manufacturer of the computer. I had called them looking for a system run Ubuntu on. I approached them with this is what I need the computer to do and they did not have the knowledge to sell me a system which does what I need it to do. That is fine, but I still need a computer! Therefore I turn to the Linux-Il mailing list in the hopes that someone may have bought a computer in the past few months and could recommend a vendor. Surely there exist on the market at least on motherboard on which Ubuntu will run out of the box. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi Eliyahu,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 04:11:57PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
What is the output of 'lspci -n'?
1969:1090
The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize
this...
Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is:
linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic
Are you sure it is not 'atlx'?
my modprobe history don't lie ;) neither does lspci -v
The alx driver was merged into the mainline kernel a few days ago (commit
ab69bde6 alx: add a simple AR816x/AR817x device driver). Its list of
supported PCI IDs include PCI_VENDOR_ID_ATTANSIC:ALX_DEV_ID_AR8162 (=
1969:1090). Kernel version 3.10 which is about to be released in a few days,
should have support for this hardware out of the box.
baruch
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi, About four years ago I bought a laptop in one of the stores mentioned in the thread. It turned out that it came with a different wireless nic than that which appeared in the official manufacturer link! It came with a wireless nic without 80211n support. And it was not a link to a wrong model. Eventually it turned out that it was a rare error from the manufacturer (They said that the same model name has different ingredients for the middle east and for Europe). And this manufacturer is a big, well known and veteran company.Since this was important to me at that time, I asked to replace it, but the store did not want to negotiate this with the supplier, so I had to negotiate it by myself. So keep in mind that this kind of things also can happen! regards, Rami Rosen http://ramirose.wix.com/ramirosen On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:29 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: Note that that is a meta-package that installs the kernel specific package, so you'll need to download at least the kernel specific one and the meta package is good to make sure that after a kernel upgrade you still have the drivers. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
2012/12/27 Rami Rosen rosenr...@gmail.com: Hi, About four years ago I bought a laptop in one of the stores mentioned in the thread. It turned out that it came with a different wireless nic than that which appeared in the official manufacturer link! It came with a wireless nic without 80211n support. And it was not a link to a wrong model. Eventually it turned out that it was a rare error from the manufacturer (They said that the same model name has different ingredients for the middle east and for Europe). And this manufacturer is a big, well known and veteran company.Since this was important to me at that time, I asked to replace it, but the store did not want to negotiate this with the supplier, so I had to negotiate it by myself. So keep in mind that this kind of things also can happen! A bit off topic but: don't the new laws on product return protect you these days? regards, Rami Rosen http://ramirose.wix.com/ramirosen On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:29 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: Note that that is a meta-package that installs the kernel specific package, so you'll need to download at least the kernel specific one and the meta package is good to make sure that after a kernel upgrade you still have the drivers. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Rami Rosen wrote: Hi, About four years ago I bought a laptop in one of the stores mentioned in the thread. It turned out that it came with a different wireless nic than that which appeared in the official manufacturer link! It came with a wireless nic without 80211n support. And it was not a link to a wrong model. Eventually it turned out that it was a rare error from the manufacturer (They said that the same model name has different ingredients for the middle east and for Europe). And this manufacturer is a big, well known and veteran company.Since this was important to me at that time, I asked to replace it, but the store did not want to negotiate this with the supplier, so I had to negotiate it by myself. That's not as rare as you would think. 5gHz networking was illegal in the EU (and Israel) at the time and therefore 802.11n devices could not be sold there or here. They still are illegal here, and some manufacturers simply don't sell those devices here (for example the Apple routers), or sell special 802.11n devices without the 5gHz channels. I have a whole bunch of EdiMax routers which are special for Israel and similar locations, they don't have the 5gHz channels, you can't adjust the output power and they have permanently attached antennas.* There was a big controversy over the Apple iPhone 5 as it was the first iOS device with 5gHz networking. At first it was banned from personal import. I don't know if it is legal to import one, but you have to promise not to use the 5gHz and the ones sold here will have it removed, or it's ok to use the 5gHz. Geoff. * You are limited to 100m EIRP (radiated power) here by law, so those high power (200mw) wifi cards or external gain antennas are illegal to use. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Owning a smartphone: Technology's equivalent to learning to play chopsticks on the piano as a child and thinking you're a musician. (sent to me by a friend) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012, Dotan Cohen wrote about Motherboards for new Ubuntu install: I will be installing Kubuntu on 4 computers for a small business who has already decided that the computers are to be purchased from Ivory. Hi Dotan, In the last few years I purchased from Ivory several computers, usually the cheapest ones with the simplest motherboards, etc., and was always able to run the latest Linux (I prefer Fedora, but I don't think it matters) without any problem. It seems that the Ubuntu Hardware Compatibility List website is no I don't think the issue is whether Ubuntu supports it, but rather whether the Linux kernel supports it. And with all likelihood, it does (but don't come blaming me if it doesn't ;-)).. them to ditch Ivory. I have spoken with Ivory customer support, which told me that they cannot guarantee that any of the motherboards will work. If you want to buy 4 computers, why not buy one, test it, and then buy the 3 more? -- Nadav Har'El|Wednesday, Dec 26 2012, 13 Tevet 5773 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Martin Luther King said I have a dream, http://nadav.harel.org.il |not I have a plan. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: What is specific to Ubuntu as far as MoBo is concerned? I would look at the kernel. Are Ubuntu kernels very different? I don't suspect that Ubuntu is very different from what could be any other distro, but I mention Ubuntu (Kubuntu, specifically) because that is what I'll be using. With my last Asus motherboard install (summer 2012) Ubuntu did not have the proper NIC driver. I also could not build the proper one as *buntu does not come with the tools necessary to compile software. It was a real mess. The Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H board comes with a Atheros GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit): http://il.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4143#sp There is no mention of which driver it needs, and I strongly suspect that the 1000 Mbit part requires nonconventional drivers as was the case with Asus board's NIC. There wasn't even a legacy mode for 10 Mbit communications. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il wrote: In the last few years I purchased from Ivory several computers, usually the cheapest ones with the simplest motherboards, etc., and was always able to run the latest Linux (I prefer Fedora, but I don't think it matters) without any problem. Thanks, Nadav, that has been my experience as well (with Ivory and KSP). However, just last summer the 'new breed' of motherboards have been introducing features that may or may not be supported under Linux such as UEFI, 1000 Mbit LAN cards, etc. It seems that the Ubuntu Hardware Compatibility List website is no I don't think the issue is whether Ubuntu supports it, but rather whether the Linux kernel supports it. And with all likelihood, it does (but don't come blaming me if it doesn't ;-)).. That is correct, but each distro will compile or supply different drivers as per the hardware that they test on. That doesn't mean that the required driver is not available for Linux, but rather that it may be difficult to obtain / install on any arbitrary distro. them to ditch Ivory. I have spoken with Ivory customer support, which told me that they cannot guarantee that any of the motherboards will work. If you want to buy 4 computers, why not buy one, test it, and then buy the 3 more? Exactly what we will do. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote:
What is specific to Ubuntu as far as MoBo is concerned? I would look at the
kernel. Are Ubuntu kernels very different?
[...]
There is no mention of which driver it needs, and I strongly suspect
that the 1000 Mbit part requires nonconventional drivers as was the
case with Asus board's NIC. There wasn't even a legacy mode for 10
Mbit communications.
See the list of currently (as of version 3.8-rc1) supported PCI IDs of Atheros
GbE Ethernet devices in drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1e/atl1e_main.c,
drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1c/atl1c_hw.h and
drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atlx/atl1.c. You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's manual is
not very helpful.
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote: You'll need to access a running machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's manual is not very helpful. Is that the chicken, or the egg? In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would already know if it works or not! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? On 12/26/2012 02:35 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote: See the list of currently (as of version 3.8-rc1) supported PCI IDs of Atheros GbE Ethernet devices in drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1e/atl1e_main.c, drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atl1c/atl1c_hw.h and drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/atlx/atl1.c. You'll need to access a running machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's manual is not very helpful. I just wrote to Gigabyte to ask about UEFI and what is the PCI ID of the ethernet controller. Thanks. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? I already asked, they would not. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? I already asked, they would not. !@#$%^*! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: *buntu does not come with the tools necessary to compile software. So that's what is special about Ubuntu... I don't use it, so lack of tools is a foreign concept to me. I am sure the necessary stuff can be installed though. The Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H board comes with a Atheros GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit): http://il.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4143#sp There is no mention of which driver it needs, and I strongly suspect that the 1000 Mbit part requires nonconventional drivers Or maybe just experimental, see http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v3.7.1/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/Kconfig#L16 Like Nadav, I don't buy much HW but I have never had a problem with anything. My process is, I get a spec from a vendor, look it up, including the components (e.g., NIC, video card, etc.), and then check whether everything is supported. if you ask Ivory or KSP for 2/3 options chances are you will find a MoBo that will work out of the box. Since there is no certified with Ubintu sticker the research is yours to do. You know, I suppose, what kernel version your distro uses. They may modify the kernel (RH do, after all) but they are not likely to throw out a working driver. Get the sources (see LXR above) and/or Google and you will likely find what you seek. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? I already asked, they would not. !@#$%^*! Don't be quick to curse: you may have made the right assumption before. It's a Lego. If they need to order components (even from their own warehouse) and assemble the computer for every customer to test that's a significant effort for a very uncertain sale (from their prospective) to 9presumably) a walk-in customer with no relationship. The live CD trick is reasonable if there is a brand - or otherwise standard - computer on the shelf. Laptops are usually like that... -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On 2012-12-25 23:00, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: There was time you pay a premium and buy a Linux computer, such as a VA. Linux, Dells with their own Linux distro, etc, but I think they are long gone. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/dell-releases-powerful-well-supported-linux-ultrabook/ ;-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On 12/26/2012 03:11 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/26/2012 03:02 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a chance Ivory would let you boot their computers (assuming they have an assembled computer with one of these motherboards) with a live CD? I already asked, they would not. !@#$%^*! Don't be quick to curse: you may have made the right assumption before. It's a Lego. If they need to order components (even from their own warehouse) and assemble the computer for every customer to test that's a significant effort for a very uncertain sale (from their prospective) to 9presumably) a walk-in customer with no relationship. The live CD trick is reasonable if there is a brand - or otherwise standard - computer on the shelf. Laptops are usually like that... It's fair if they have none on the shelf. But if they have one built and connected to a monitor and keyboard, and still won't let you boot from a live CD, I would still curse (in my mind, not out loud). Although to be fair I suppose if they let any yahoo who walked in with a CD and said let me just try this! they could be up to their ears in various malware, so perhaps I shouldn't curse them at all. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:
You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's manual
is
not very helpful.
Is that the chicken, or the egg?
In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would
already know if it works or not!
This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its Device
Manager, or whatever it's called there.
Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen.
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Dotan,
Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files, look up
the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu
compatibility
How about starting a Linux-IL maintained HW DB - every member runs lshw on
their machine and uploads it to a site with the Distro their running...
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
wrote:
You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's
manual is
not very helpful.
Is that the chicken, or the egg?
In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would
already know if it works or not!
This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its Device
Manager, or whatever it's called there.
Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen.
baruch
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi Amichai,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:57:23PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote:
Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files, look up
the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu
compatibility
I tried that. The trouble is that the Windows driver (according to its file
name: mb_driver_lan_atheros_813x_815x_816x.exe) covers a wide range of NIC
chips. This is not a driver tailored specifically for this board. So the list
of PCI IDs in the driver's .inf file is not a indication for what is actually
installed on the board.
baruch
How about starting a Linux-IL maintained HW DB - every member runs lshw on
their machine and uploads it to a site with the Distro their running...
Amichai Rotman
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
wrote:
You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's
manual is
not very helpful.
Is that the chicken, or the egg?
In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would
already know if it works or not!
This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its Device
Manager, or whatever it's called there.
Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen.
baruch
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum...
I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me
to install one more package for wired communication (wireless
[different chip, also atheros] worked out of the box):
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast
Ethernet (rev 10)
The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize this...
Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is:
linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic
Hope that helps,
Eliyahu - אליהו
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
Hi Amichai,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:57:23PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote:
Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files, look up
the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu
compatibility
I tried that. The trouble is that the Windows driver (according to its file
name: mb_driver_lan_atheros_813x_815x_816x.exe) covers a wide range of NIC
chips. This is not a driver tailored specifically for this board. So the list
of PCI IDs in the driver's .inf file is not a indication for what is actually
installed on the board.
baruch
How about starting a Linux-IL maintained HW DB - every member runs lshw on
their machine and uploads it to a site with the Distro their running...
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
wrote:
You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's
manual is
not very helpful.
Is that the chicken, or the egg?
In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would
already know if it works or not!
This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its Device
Manager, or whatever it's called there.
Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen.
baruch
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E.S. Rosenberg wrote: Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... Yes, but not always, AFAIK the last person in Israel to get a $10 USB DVB-T tuner to work under Linux was @Guy Sheffer. Since then the chipsets keep change so fast that no one can keep up with them. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Owning a smartphone: Technology's equivalent to learning to play chopsticks on the piano as a child and thinking you're a musician. (sent to me by a friend) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi Eliyahu,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum...
Of course. But there is no guarantee that the covered range exactly overlaps
the Windows driver one.
I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me
to install one more package for wired communication (wireless
[different chip, also atheros] worked out of the box):
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast
Ethernet (rev 10)
Fast Ethernet is most likely 10/100, not GbE (10/100/1000).
What is the output of 'lspci -n'?
The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize this...
Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is:
linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic
Are you sure it is not 'atlx'?
baruch
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
Hi Amichai,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:57:23PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote:
Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files, look up
the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu
compatibility
I tried that. The trouble is that the Windows driver (according to its file
name: mb_driver_lan_atheros_813x_815x_816x.exe) covers a wide range of NIC
chips. This is not a driver tailored specifically for this board. So the
list
of PCI IDs in the driver's .inf file is not a indication for what is
actually
installed on the board.
baruch
How about starting a Linux-IL maintained HW DB - every member runs lshw on
their machine and uploads it to a site with the Distro their running...
Amichai Rotman
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
wrote:
You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's
manual is
not very helpful.
Is that the chicken, or the egg?
In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would
already know if it works or not!
This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its
Device
Manager, or whatever it's called there.
Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen.
baruch
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2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
Hi Eliyahu,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum...
Of course. But there is no guarantee that the covered range exactly overlaps
the Windows driver one.
I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me
to install one more package for wired communication (wireless
[different chip, also atheros] worked out of the box):
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast
Ethernet (rev 10)
Fast Ethernet is most likely 10/100, not GbE (10/100/1000).
Correct, I now also notice that the official specs on this laptop say
it's just 10/100, however that does not change the fact that according
to atheros it falls in the same family of chips
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/search/?csrfmiddlewaretoken=9ec89be3308015f25587de8fd4cd11ffquery=atheros
What is the output of 'lspci -n'?
1969:1090
The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize this...
Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is:
linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic
Are you sure it is not 'atlx'?
my modprobe history don't lie ;) neither does lspci -v
Regards,
Eliyahu - אליהו
baruch
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
Hi Amichai,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:57:23PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote:
Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files, look
up
the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu
compatibility
I tried that. The trouble is that the Windows driver (according to its file
name: mb_driver_lan_atheros_813x_815x_816x.exe) covers a wide range of
NIC
chips. This is not a driver tailored specifically for this board. So the
list
of PCI IDs in the driver's .inf file is not a indication for what is
actually
installed on the board.
baruch
How about starting a Linux-IL maintained HW DB - every member runs lshw on
their machine and uploads it to a site with the Distro their running...
Amichai Rotman
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
wrote:
You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since Gigabyte's
manual is
not very helpful.
Is that the chicken, or the egg?
In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would
already know if it works or not!
This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its
Device
Manager, or whatever it's called there.
Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen.
baruch
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
Hi Eliyahu,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 04:11:57PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
Hi Eliyahu,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 03:45:27PM +0200, E.S. Rosenberg wrote:
Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger
spectrum...
Of course. But there is no guarantee that the covered range exactly overlaps
the Windows driver one.
I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me
to install one more package for wired communication (wireless
[different chip, also atheros] worked out of the box):
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast
Ethernet (rev 10)
Fast Ethernet is most likely 10/100, not GbE (10/100/1000).
Correct, I now also notice that the official specs on this laptop say
it's just 10/100, however that does not change the fact that according
to atheros it falls in the same family of chips
http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/search/?csrfmiddlewaretoken=9ec89be3308015f25587de8fd4cd11ffquery=atheros
What is the output of 'lspci -n'?
1969:1090
The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize
this...
Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is:
linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic
Are you sure it is not 'atlx'?
my modprobe history don't lie ;) neither does lspci -v
You are right. This driver has not found its way to the mainline kernel yet.
Its homepage is at
http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/alx, and
although it has been posted for mainline inclusion back in August
(https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/1376841/) the authors have not followed
up. It is somewhat strange that this driver has found a (temporary) home in
the compat-wireless package (https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/8/409), which is
where you installed it from. Maybe it is so because the compat-wireless
maintainer, Luis R. Rodriguez, is an Atheros/Qualcomm employee.
baruch
2012/12/26 Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il:
Hi Amichai,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 02:57:23PM +0200, Amichai Rotman wrote:
Download the Windows drivers from the MpBo site, extract the files,
look up
the relevant strings in the .inf files and Google it for Kubuntu
compatibility
I tried that. The trouble is that the Windows driver (according to its
file
name: mb_driver_lan_atheros_813x_815x_816x.exe) covers a wide range of
NIC
chips. This is not a driver tailored specifically for this board. So the
list
of PCI IDs in the driver's .inf file is not a indication for what is
actually
installed on the board.
baruch
How about starting a Linux-IL maintained HW DB - every member runs lshw
on
their machine and uploads it to a site with the Distro their running...
Amichai Rotman
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote:
Hi Dotan,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:29:31PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
wrote:
You'll need to access a running
machine to extract the PCI ID information, though, since
Gigabyte's
manual is
not very helpful.
Is that the chicken, or the egg?
In other words, if I did have access to a running system, I would
already know if it works or not!
This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its
Device
Manager, or whatever it's called there.
Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen.
baruch
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Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote: So that's what is special about Ubuntu... I don't use it, so lack of tools is a foreign concept to me. I am sure the necessary stuff can be installed though. Sure, but doing so without network is a pain. It's not typing peek and poke instructions from a magazine into a BASIC interpreter, but a pain nonetheless. The Gigabyte GA-H77M-D3H board comes with a Atheros GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit): http://il.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4143#sp There is no mention of which driver it needs, and I strongly suspect that the 1000 Mbit part requires nonconventional drivers Or maybe just experimental, see http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v3.7.1/drivers/net/ethernet/atheros/Kconfig#L16 That is likely, considering the novelty of the device. Like Nadav, I don't buy much HW but I have never had a problem with anything. My process is, I get a spec from a vendor, look it up, including the components (e.g., NIC, video card, etc.), and then check whether everything is supported. if you ask Ivory or KSP for 2/3 options chances are you will find a MoBo that will work out of the box. Since there is no certified with Ubintu sticker the research is yours to do. You know, I suppose, what kernel version your distro uses. They may modify the kernel (RH do, after all) but they are not likely to throw out a working driver. Get the sources (see LXR above) and/or Google and you will likely find what you seek. The problem is that the specs are not readily available. I have asked Ivory for even a single option, they cannot ensure that any system that they provide will support any Linux distro. I plan on running by KSP tomorrow. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il wrote: This board surely runs Windows. You can extract the PCI ID from its Device Manager, or whatever it's called there. Also, some BIOSes list PCI devices with IDs in the initial screen. Thanks, I will ask if I can get that information from a running box. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me to install one more package for wired communication (wireless [different chip, also atheros] worked out of the box): 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast Ethernet (rev 10) The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize this... Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is: linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic Thanks. I'll try to get a copy of the package to try to install locally if the driver does not work. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
2012/12/26 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com: On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:45 PM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: Generally the linux drivers cover an equally large if not larger spectrum... I have an Atheros chip from that family on my laptop, it required me to install one more package for wired communication (wireless [different chip, also atheros] worked out of the box): 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8162 Fast Ethernet (rev 10) The weird thing was that the driver detection program didn't realize this... Either way the package that provides the 'alx' driver on Ubuntu 12.10 is: linux-backports-modules-cw-3.6-quantal-generic Thanks. I'll try to get a copy of the package to try to install locally if the driver does not work. Note that that is a meta-package that installs the kernel specific package, so you'll need to download at least the kernel specific one and the meta package is good to make sure that after a kernel upgrade you still have the drivers. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 1:29 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: Note that that is a meta-package that installs the kernel specific package, so you'll need to download at least the kernel specific one and the meta package is good to make sure that after a kernel upgrade you still have the drivers. Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Dotan Cohen wrote: It seems that the Ubuntu Hardware Compatibility List website is no longer maintained, and I cannot find any official information about these motherboards on Linux in general or Ubuntu in particular. If you can recommend a good supplier in the south (Beersheba) that has reasonable prices and better parts, then I might be able to convince them to ditch Ivory. I have spoken with Ivory customer support, which told me that they cannot guarantee that any of the motherboards will work. I don't understand. I know the manufacturers provide support and are responsible for the Windows drivers, so Ivory could as far as their warranty support goes, claim they work with whatever release of Windows the manufacturer claims it does. But no one in the supply chain supports Linux, decides what drivers are included in a release or distro and so on, so how can they make that claim? Ivory is IMHO at least being honest. If you think I am exaggerating, look up the history of the first UBUNTU Netbook Respin. After the deadline for changes on that release passed, the one beta tester with an ATOM processor came back from vacation and found the already finalized but unreleased version about to go out would not boot. Instead of holding the release, or at least including a big warning, they released it as is, and left a lot of people with an unbootable system after an upgrade. The Netbook respin was a quick fix, but as I remember, it had its own problems. I expect that no honest vendor will do more than give you a chance to try a Linux install on one of their computers and if it works, sell you four of them. There was time you pay a premium and buy a Linux computer, such as a VA. Linux, Dells with their own Linux distro, etc, but I think they are long gone. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Owning a smartphone: Technology's equivalent to learning to play chopsticks on the piano as a child and thinking you're a musician. (sent to me by a friend) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand. I'm looking for a place to buy a computer. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Dotan Cohen wrote: On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: I don't understand. I'm looking for a place to buy a computer. That part I did understand. What I did NOT understand is how can a retail vendor of computers warranty that a particular disto of Linux will run on a specific computer unless that Linux comes from the manufacturer of the computer. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 Owning a smartphone: Technology's equivalent to learning to play chopsticks on the piano as a child and thinking you're a musician. (sent to me by a friend) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking for a place to buy a computer. That part I did understand. What I did NOT understand is how can a retail vendor of computers warranty that a particular disto of Linux will run on a specific computer unless that Linux comes from the manufacturer of the computer. I had called them looking for a system run Ubuntu on. I approached them with this is what I need the computer to do and they did not have the knowledge to sell me a system which does what I need it to do. That is fine, but I still need a computer! Therefore I turn to the Linux-Il mailing list in the hopes that someone may have bought a computer in the past few months and could recommend a vendor. Surely there exist on the market at least on motherboard on which Ubuntu will run out of the box. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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(List answer) What problems did you have with recent motherboards? I have generally had very little to no problems with recent stuff, although it obviously depends on what technologies are being used. On my new laptop the installation was less fun but this was/is mainly due to UEFI, the way it boots things (it wouldn't boot my bootable disk-on-key, but simple bootable disk-on-keys worked [mine has multiple OS'es/distros]). The Intel H61 series chipset is certified to work with Ubuntu since 11.10 as is the H77 obviously that does not cover the additional components on the board but it's a start http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/make/Intel%20Corporation/?page=5 I suspect that what will give and gave most problems recently is the UEFI which changes the way we treat how our computer boots: - You have to have a vfat boot partition of ~250MiB at the beginning of the disk (mount at /boot/efi and _not_ at /boot, you can have a separate /boot too though) - The disk needs to use got and not a dos partiton table etc. Basically a lot of our skills at booting a system have become obsolete... Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו 2012/12/26 E.S. Rosenberg e...@g.jct.ac.il: What problems did you have with recent motherboards? I have generally had very little to no problems with recent stuff, although it obviously depends on what technologies are being used. On my new laptop the installation was less fun but this was/is mainly due to UEFI, the way it boots things (it wouldn't boot my bootable disk-on-key, but simple bootable disk-on-keys worked [mine has multiple OS'es/distros]). The Intel H61 series chipset is certified to work with Ubuntu since 11.10 as is the H77 obviously that does not cover the additional components on the board but it's a start http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/make/Intel%20Corporation/?page=5 I suspect that what will give and gave most problems recently is the UEFI which changes the way we treat how our computer boots: - You have to have a vfat boot partition of ~250MiB at the beginning of the disk (mount at /boot/efi and _not_ at /boot, you can have a separate /boot too though) - The disk needs to use got and not a dos partiton table etc. Basically a lot of our skills at booting a system have become obsolete... Regards, Eliyahu - אליהו ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:46 AM, E.S. Rosenberg esr+linux...@g.jct.ac.il wrote: (List answer) What problems did you have with recent motherboards? I have generally had very little to no problems with recent stuff, although it obviously depends on what technologies are being used. About half a year ago Geoffrey and Baruch Siach helped me install Kubuntu on a recent ASUS P8H61 MLX motherboard. There were problems with the NIC driver, and even after that was resolved DHCP would Not Work (tm). This was after about a week of troubleshooting, as the reported NIC was not the one for which the drivers were needed. On my new laptop the installation was less fun but this was/is mainly due to UEFI, the way it boots things (it wouldn't boot my bootable disk-on-key, but simple bootable disk-on-keys worked [mine has multiple OS'es/distros]). I did not have UEFI issues, though I would of course like to avoid them as well. The Intel H61 series chipset is certified to work with Ubuntu since 11.10 as is the H77 obviously that does not cover the additional components on the board but it's a start http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/catalog/make/Intel%20Corporation/?page=5 Thanks, that is a start. The board at least has a PCI slot so I could add a cheap network card if need be. I suspect that what will give and gave most problems recently is the UEFI which changes the way we treat how our computer boots: - You have to have a vfat boot partition of ~250MiB at the beginning of the disk (mount at /boot/efi and _not_ at /boot, you can have a separate /boot too though) - The disk needs to use got and not a dos partiton table etc. Basically a lot of our skills at booting a system have become obsolete... Thank you for the information. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Motherboards for new Ubuntu install
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: It seems that the Ubuntu Hardware Compatibility List website is no longer maintained What is specific to Ubuntu as far as MoBo is concerned? I would look at the kernel. Are Ubuntu kernels very different? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
