Re: cheap linux box ?
On יום שני 11 אוקטובר 2010 14:03:39 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: Take a look at the Sheevaplug/GuruPlug. I heard good things about Sheevaplug, and bad about GuruPlug (the Debian planet is infected with people doing HW hacks on that device since otherwise it just dies). Lets join the discussion: Any other recommendation for an ebmedded ARM device for me to play with? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.ilwrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:48:35PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: Of the top of my head, two options: 1. A dual core ATOM combo box can be found at under 800nis. Add a case, PSU and you can stay under 1100nis. KSP has one for 800 NIS including 1gb RAM, 250gb HD. Ivory's cheapest is 945 NIS, but it has a different ATOM processor and a different brand of motherboard. Both are dual core. My SheevaPlug is 7W (normal operation: 3W or less), 512MB RAM, only 512MB of NAND (though you can use a SD card like me, or a slower USB). CPU is a 1.2GHz ARM, though I'd say it is rather comparable to a slower Intel CPU. The Seagate FreeAgent DockStar that was mentioned here can be bought in Israel for as low as 268 NIS, or 289 NIS including shipping. ($39.99 direct from Seagate USA, down from $100). It is almost identical to the SheevaPlus (same processor , same speed), but the price is 1/2 to 1/3 of what it would cost you to buy a single SheevaPlug yourself. (including Shipping, Handling and Taxes). Cons: Only 128MB DRAM 256MB Flash (not sure) No SD slot. Some SheevaPlug units come with eSATA port. Almost all units have room for the eSATA connector if you are good with a soldering iron (you also need to add some resistors/capacitors). Pros: Multiple USB ports. Can directly dock a seagate FreeAgent 2.5 Hard Disk. Cheap! Available in israel. It can run both debian and OpenWRT. http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ecc/dockstar-howto.html If you keep the original firmware, the original unit runs the pogoplug software, but the license is only for 1 year. perpetual license is $30 more. Udi Price was 100$, which did not include SH. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
2010/10/12 Udi Finkelstein linux...@udif.com On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:32 AM, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.ilwrote: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:48:35PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: Of the top of my head, two options: 1. A dual core ATOM combo box can be found at under 800nis. Add a case, PSU and you can stay under 1100nis. KSP has one for 800 NIS including 1gb RAM, 250gb HD. Ivory's cheapest is 945 NIS, but it has a different ATOM processor and a different brand of motherboard. Both are dual core. My SheevaPlug is 7W (normal operation: 3W or less), 512MB RAM, only 512MB of NAND (though you can use a SD card like me, or a slower USB). CPU is a 1.2GHz ARM, though I'd say it is rather comparable to a slower Intel CPU. The Seagate FreeAgent DockStar that was mentioned here can be bought in Israel for as low as 268 NIS, or 289 NIS including shipping. ($39.99 direct from Seagate USA, down from $100). It is almost identical to the SheevaPlus (same processor , same speed), but the price is 1/2 to 1/3 of what it would cost you to buy a single SheevaPlug yourself. (including Shipping, Handling and Taxes). Cons: Only 128MB DRAM 256MB Flash (not sure) No SD slot. Some SheevaPlug units come with eSATA port. Almost all units have room for the eSATA connector if you are good with a soldering iron (you also need to add some resistors/capacitors). Pros: Multiple USB ports. Can directly dock a seagate FreeAgent 2.5 Hard Disk. Cheap! Available in israel. It can run both debian and OpenWRT. http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/ http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~ecc/dockstar-howto.htmlhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/%7Eecc/dockstar-howto.html hey udi, thanks for your help. searching zap i found plonter has the STDSD10G-RK model for 253NIS+delivery. searching the net for STDSD10G-RK specifcations, i couldn't find any. especially at seagate.com (the specification pdf they have has pictures and some blah blah, but the specification in it is only a dockstar with lan - not even saying which lan - 1G or 100M.) google also preffers i look for STDSA10G-RK (SA instead of SD). and i couldn't find what is the difference. I mailed supp...@seagate.com support, see if i get a response ... anyway, a link to installing debian (and a forum): http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/ thanks, erez. If you keep the original firmware, the original unit runs the pogoplug software, but the license is only for 1 year. perpetual license is $30 more. Udi Price was 100$, which did not include SH. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:30:39AM +0200, Erez D wrote: hey, my NSLU2 just died ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 ) I can replace it with a new one, however i was thinking - it has been long time since nslu2 showed up, and there must be a more powerful device available for a similiar price... I am actually looking for a cheap linux box, with usb2 and lan, which I can install a general purpose linux distribution on (e.g. debian and such. not openwrt which is good for routers, but not for other things like hosting a mail server etc ...) anyone knows of such a linux box ? A few days ago someone wrote here about PandaBoard, and in a comment in the mentioned article someone recommended a Seagate Dockstar: http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/10/04/after-beagleboard-comes-pandaboard/#comments I did not verify the specs he mentioned, but if it's true, it's much stronger than the average wireless router, and perhaps cheaper. It's just not looking like a server - more like a part of a case of one... -- Didi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:30:39AM +0200, Erez D wrote: hey, my NSLU2 just died ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 ) I can replace it with a new one, however i was thinking - it has been long time since nslu2 showed up, and there must be a more powerful device available for a similiar price... I am actually looking for a cheap linux box, with usb2 and lan, which I can install a general purpose linux distribution on (e.g. debian and such. not openwrt which is good for routers, but not for other things like hosting a mail server etc ...) anyone knows of such a linux box ? Take a look at the Sheevaplug/GuruPlug. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
This guy had bad experince with the GuruPlug: http://1wt.eu/articles/guruplug-slow-heater/ On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 14:03, Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote: Sheevaplug/GuruPlug. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Erez D wrote: I am actually looking for a cheap linux box, with usb2 and lan, which I can install a general purpose linux distribution on (e.g. debian and such. not openwrt which is good for routers, but not for other things like hosting a mail server etc ...) Do you want small or cheap? There are several motherboards with dual core ATOM processors on them that fit in a standard case. You can buy a complete system for 800 to 900 NIS, including motherboard, powersupply, case, hard drive, etc. The price varies from vendor to vendor and model to model, depending on which ATOM chip is on it, what hard drive, amount of RAM, etc. They all have a low grade (GMA 950 or 3x00) video card on the board, audio in and out, USB 2 ports, (2 or 3), 10/100 ethernet, one DDR2 RAM slot, an IDE port and 2 SATA ports. I think (I have never really looked) they may have PS/2 keyboard and mouse, and a parallel and serial port (or not). They usually include one PCI slot for expansion. By the time you buy a $149 cheap ARM system, pay for shipping and VAT at customs, the price is pretty close, and you are getting an Intel system that will run just about any standard distro (maybe not UBUNTU this week, but that's their fault) is much faster than anything with an ARM processor and has a lot more IO options. The downside is that is the size of small PC motherboard, sold in a PC case and has a fan cooled PC power supply instead of a brick. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the stimulus package, everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 10:30 +0200, Erez D wrote: hey, my NSLU2 just died ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 ) I can replace it with a new one, however i was thinking - it has been long time since nslu2 showed up, and there must be a more powerful device available for a similiar price... I am actually looking for a cheap linux box, with usb2 and lan, which I can install a general purpose linux distribution on (e.g. debian and such. not openwrt which is good for routers, but not for other things like hosting a mail server etc ...) anyone knows of such a linux box ? Thanks erez. If you're willing to trade small for cheap, in my view a (very) low-end PC is a far better option. (At the expense of bigger foot-print and higher power usage). Of the top of my head, two options: 1. A dual core ATOM combo box can be found at under 800nis. Add a case, PSU and you can stay under 1100nis. 2. Low end dual core AMD machine: CPU: ~250-300nis, board (Low-end nVidia based board): ~300nis, case+PSU: 300nis, memory: ~200nis. Total: ~1100nis. Needless to say, such a machine is far more capable (and far more serviceable) compared to custom made ARM or PPC machine. For my use, I chose the AMD route. This low end machine (beefed up with 4GB of RAM a and a software RAID5 based on cheap SATA drives) is currently used to house 3 different CentOS VM's using Fedora 13's qemu/KVM, and according to the UPS monitor, this machine rarely tops 60-70w. Keep in mind, that with some effort you could further reduce the power usage by using 35w or even a 25w 2x0u-series CPUs (instead of the usual 55w). -- Gilboa Davara http://www.wirex-systems.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: Of the top of my head, two options: 1. A dual core ATOM combo box can be found at under 800nis. Add a case, PSU and you can stay under 1100nis. KSP has one for 800 NIS including 1gb RAM, 250gb HD. Ivory's cheapest is 945 NIS, but it has a different ATOM processor and a different brand of motherboard. Both are dual core. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the stimulus package, everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: cheap linux box ?
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 08:48:35PM +0200, geoffrey mendelson wrote: On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:29 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: Of the top of my head, two options: 1. A dual core ATOM combo box can be found at under 800nis. Add a case, PSU and you can stay under 1100nis. KSP has one for 800 NIS including 1gb RAM, 250gb HD. Ivory's cheapest is 945 NIS, but it has a different ATOM processor and a different brand of motherboard. Both are dual core. My SheevaPlug is 7W (normal operation: 3W or less), 512MB RAM, only 512MB of NAND (though you can use a SD card like me, or a slower USB). CPU is a 1.2GHz ARM, though I'd say it is rather comparable to a slower Intel CPU. Price was 100$, which did not include SH. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
