Re: recommended web development environment?
Michael Tewner wrote: I saw Joomla mentioned - so I thought I would plug Plone - a great CMS built on Zope. It's super cool. It has a large user base. It has a large developer base. It's fun. It's well documented. It even has KSS - an AJAX library. It's robus. It's Python. It has a Cheese Shop. It has conferences. It's open source. It's an option worth looking into. Check them out at plone.org |I second that| It can be interconnected with LDAP, AD, NIS, PAM. It has a booking center ( I use it for cluster booking :) ) IT has a lot of plugins. Very good stuff. Max. -mike On Nov 13, 2007 8:57 PM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/11/2007, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When creating a SMALL BUSINESS WEB SITE (which is what the question was about), coding HTML and CSS by hand is a gross mistake. I know because I did it twice already. Now with the context of I did it twice already it adds some more weight to your opinion (besides your reputation not to bullshit most of the time :). I already installed WP on my desktop right after reading your recommendation but haven't got around to play with it. We already have a colour scheme and some fonts defined by a graphics designer for other promotional stuff (business cards, flyers we are going to distribute, the huge sticker all over the back windows of our car) so I'll have to learn how to teach whatever I use to comply with that. That aside, I find it pretty frustrating not to be able to fully follow web site designs so I figured it could be a good, justifiable opportunity to learn this stuff (a bit like playing with assembly language, UNIX kernel internals and the network stack from the ethernet layer up almost two decades ago still helps me connect things together even when dealing with much higher technologies like Java, web apps, databases, or even foreign technologies like Windows since they all eventually have to work in the same framework). Thanks, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Maxim Kovgan, Distributed Systems and Data Mining Laboratory Computer Science, Technion http://dsl.cs.technion.ac.il = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
On 14/11/2007, Michael Tewner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw Joomla mentioned - so I thought I would plug Plone - a great CMS built on Zope. It's super cool. It has a large user base. It has a large developer base. It's fun. It's well documented. It even has KSS - an AJAX library. It's robus. It's Python. It has a Cheese Shop. It has conferences. It's open source. It's an option worth looking into. Check them out at plone.org And after replying to Gilad's second message I noticed that I'll probably be limited in my options to whatever my web host provides me. Still didn't have time to look at the options. I don't need super-duper CMS. For now it's just a static on-line brochure for a Pilates studio and if later I get to add some interactive stuff (blog, newsletter, contact form, schedule) I'd love to practice what I learned about Perl's Catalyst and friends in the last few weeks. --Amos
Re: recommended web development environment?
Geany is light and good enough. http://geany.uvena.de/ or just: apt-get install geany On Nov 12, 2007 11:55 AM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch. I currently use Screem 0.16.1 from the Debian package and it's OK but it's editor is still rough in the edges. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? As much as I used to be a member of the Emacs camp many years ago, it should be a bloody blast of an editor to convince me to try again any of its modes. Thanks, --Amos
Re: recommended web development environment?
Amos Shapira wrote: ... Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? From experience, if you're playing with CSS and HTML files directly, you're doing something wrong. From experience, if you're playing with .c files directly, you're doing something wrong. Use a CMS. Be it Wordpress, Joomla or what have you. Search sourceforge, freshmeat or what have you. I strongly disagree, there are cases which require editing HTML/CSS. unless I misunderstood your meaning.. - Oren = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amos Shapira wrote: ... Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? From experience, if you're playing with CSS and HTML files directly, you're doing something wrong. From experience, if you're playing with .c files directly, you're doing something wrong. If you're playing with .c files in order to open a file and dump it's content to standart output sorted, you indeed are doing something wrong, for example. Use a CMS. Be it Wordpress, Joomla or what have you. Search sourceforge, freshmeat or what have you. I strongly disagree, there are cases which require editing HTML/CSS. unless I misunderstood your meaning.. Great, you're quoting out of context... When creating a SMALL BUSINESS WEB SITE (which is what the question was about), coding HTML and CSS by hand is a gross mistake. I know because I did it twice already. If you're planning to do quite anything else, then the advice does not hold. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IL: +972.3.7515563 ext. 201 | Fax:+972.3.7515503 US: +1.212.2026643 ext. 201 | Cel: +972.52.8260388 There once was a virtualization coder, Whose patches kept getting older, Each time upstream would drop, His documentation would slightly rot, SO APPLY MY F*$KING PATCHES OR I'LL KEEP WRITING LIMERICKS. -- Rusty Russel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
I saw Joomla mentioned - so I thought I would plug Plone - a great CMS built on Zope. It's super cool. It has a large user base. It has a large developer base. It's fun. It's well documented. It even has KSS - an AJAX library. It's robus. It's Python. It has a Cheese Shop. It has conferences. It's open source. It's an option worth looking into. Check them out at plone.org -mike On Nov 13, 2007 8:57 PM, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 14/11/2007, Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When creating a SMALL BUSINESS WEB SITE (which is what the question was about), coding HTML and CSS by hand is a gross mistake. I know because I did it twice already. Now with the context of I did it twice already it adds some more weight to your opinion (besides your reputation not to bullshit most of the time :). I already installed WP on my desktop right after reading your recommendation but haven't got around to play with it. We already have a colour scheme and some fonts defined by a graphics designer for other promotional stuff (business cards, flyers we are going to distribute, the huge sticker all over the back windows of our car) so I'll have to learn how to teach whatever I use to comply with that. That aside, I find it pretty frustrating not to be able to fully follow web site designs so I figured it could be a good, justifiable opportunity to learn this stuff (a bit like playing with assembly language, UNIX kernel internals and the network stack from the ethernet layer up almost two decades ago still helps me connect things together even when dealing with much higher technologies like Java, web apps, databases, or even foreign technologies like Windows since they all eventually have to work in the same framework). Thanks, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch. .. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? From experience, if you're playing with CSS and HTML files directly, you're doing something wrong. Use a CMS. Be it Wordpress, Joomla or what have you. Trust me, you'll thank me later. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED] Codefidence. A name you can trust(tm) Web: http://codefidence.com | SIP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IL: +972.3.7515563 ext. 201 | Fax:+972.3.7515503 US: +1.212.2026643 ext. 201 | Cel: +972.52.8260388 There once was a virtualization coder, Whose patches kept getting older, Each time upstream would drop, His documentation would slightly rot, SO APPLY MY F*$KING PATCHES OR I'LL KEEP WRITING LIMERICKS. -- Rusty Russel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
How about people who design themes and write plugins for their CMS of choice? They do have a need to work directly with CSS and HTML and even with (*shudder*) PHP. --- Omer On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 13:10 +0200, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch. .. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? From experience, if you're playing with CSS and HTML files directly, you're doing something wrong. Use a CMS. Be it Wordpress, Joomla or what have you. Trust me, you'll thank me later. -- One does not make peace with enemies. One makes peace with former enemies. My own blog is at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/ My opinions, as expressed in this E-mail message, are mine alone. They do not represent the official policy of any organization with which I may be affiliated in any way. WARNING TO SPAMMERS: at http://www.zak.co.il/spamwarning.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
--0-2066373923-1194870101=:64628 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been using bluefish for a while and I like it. Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch. I currently use Screem 0.16.1 from the Debian package and it's OK but it's editor is still rough in the edges. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? As much as I used to be a member of the Emacs camp many years ago, it should be a bloody blast of an editor to convince me to try again any of its modes. Thanks, --Amos __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2066373923-1194870101=:64628 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been using bluefish for a while and I like it.brbrbiAmos Shapira lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;/i/b wrote:blockquote class=replbq style=border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; Hello,brbrI'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch.brbrI currently use Screem 0.16.1 from the Debian package and it's OK but it's editor is still rough in the edges.brbrCan anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files?brbrAs much as I used to be a member of the Emacs camp many years ago, it should be a bloody blast of an editor to convince me to try again any of its modes. brbrThanks,brbr--Amosbrbr /blockquotebrp#32;__brDo You Yahoo!?brTired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around brhttp://mail.yahoo.com --0-2066373923-1194870101=:64628-- = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
You can try Aptana http://www.aptana.com 2007/11/12, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello, I'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch. I currently use Screem 0.16.1 from the Debian package and it's OK but it's editor is still rough in the edges. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? As much as I used to be a member of the Emacs camp many years ago, it should be a bloody blast of an editor to convince me to try again any of its modes. Thanks, --Amos -- -- Michael Ben-Nes - Internet Consultant and Director. http://www.epoch.co.il - weaving the Net. Cellular: 054-4848113 --
Re: recommended web development environment?
I've been using Quanta for a while - it has a very good editor with all kinds of syntax highlighting and context sensitive help stuff. Its project management may be a little heavy handed at times, but its useful and supports publish to the site directly from the application. On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 09:55 +, Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch. I currently use Screem 0.16.1 from the Debian package and it's OK but it's editor is still rough in the edges. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? As much as I used to be a member of the Emacs camp many years ago, it should be a bloody blast of an editor to convince me to try again any of its modes. Thanks, --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
.. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? KDE has Quanta or Kate. It's the same editor essentially if you're just looking for highlighting, but quanta has a lot features for web developers. I keep trying more serious web IDEs but keep returning to quanta in the end. From experience, if you're playing with CSS and HTML files directly, you're doing something wrong. Use a CMS. Be it Wordpress, Joomla or what have you. It all depends on your needs, and I've written a few custom CMSes for different projects that weren't suitable for the let's slap an open CMS on it approach. but in this case, a small business site, you're probably right. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: recommended web development environment?
Amos Shapira wrote: Hello, I'm playing around with a web site for a business (for now it's just a bunch of static pages) and am looking for a convenient environment to do so under Debian Etch. I currently use Screem 0.16.1 from the Debian package and it's OK but it's editor is still rough in the edges. Can anyone recommend another convenient editor for HTML and CSS files? As much as I used to be a member of the Emacs camp many years ago, it should be a bloody blast of an editor to convince me to try again any of its modes. Thanks, --Amos Bluefish seems nice: http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/features.html Cheers -- Meir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
