Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I'm curious what you don't like with the Culmus fonts that are standard in Linux distributions. Or with the Hebrew glyphs of DejaVu font for that matter. Is it font shape or kerning that is bothering you? Can you give an example? Regards, Dov 2009/6/12 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Windows Vista has some very nice Hebrew fonts, in stark contrast to Ubuntu or other Linux distros. Although one can easily aquire the Vista fonts with English glyphs, in order to get them with Hebrew glyphs I need to find a machine with Hebrew Vista. If anyone has access to such a machine, I would appreciate it if you could share with me the fonts that contain Hebrew glyphs. Thanks! For that matter, if anyone could recommend some nice FOSS Hebrew fonts I'm all ears. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I'm curious what you don't like with the Culmus fonts that are standard in Linux distributions. Or with the Hebrew glyphs of DejaVu font for that matter. Is it font shape or kerning that is bothering you? Can you give an example? Thanks a good question, Dov, and I want to give to you a good answer. What are the names of the Culmus fonts? I will write a sentence and display it in the different fonts, including the Vista fonts, so that I could point out exactly why I prefer the MS fonts. The truth is, I've only briefly seen the Vista fonts, but it was long enough for me to say wow, I like that!. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Since all the Culmus fonts have CLM in them you can get the list as below. You can also see the fonts at http://culmus.sourceforge.net/ . You should also compare the various DejaVu fonts, as I believe that most fontconfig configurations just settle for them when using generic fonts like sans and serif. Regards, Dov prompt fc-list| grep -i CLM David CLM:style=Medium Italic Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Medium Drugulin CLM:style=Bold Italic Ellinia CLM:style=Light Ellinia CLM:style=Bold Italic Ellinia CLM:style=Light Italic Yehuda CLM:style=Bold Aharoni CLM:style=Bold Oblique Aharoni CLM:style=Book Aharoni CLM:style=Bold David CLM:style=Medium Miriam Mono CLM:style=Bold Oblique Miriam Mono CLM:style=Book Oblique Nachlieli CLM:style=Light Caladings CLM:style=Regular Ellinia CLM:style=Bold Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Medium Oblique Miriam CLM:style=Bold Miriam CLM:style=Book Miriam Mono CLM:style=Bold Miriam Mono CLM:style=Book Nachlieli CLM:style=Light Oblique Nachlieli CLM:style=Bold Nachlieli CLM:style=Bold Oblique David CLM:style=Bold Drugulin CLM:style=Bold Aharoni CLM:style=Book Oblique Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Bold Frank Ruehl CLM:style=Bold Oblique Yehuda CLM:style=Light 2009/6/14 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com I'm curious what you don't like with the Culmus fonts that are standard in Linux distributions. Or with the Hebrew glyphs of DejaVu font for that matter. Is it font shape or kerning that is bothering you? Can you give an example? Thanks a good question, Dov, and I want to give to you a good answer. What are the names of the Culmus fonts? I will write a sentence and display it in the different fonts, including the Vista fonts, so that I could point out exactly why I prefer the MS fonts. The truth is, I've only briefly seen the Vista fonts, but it was long enough for me to say wow, I like that!. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Here is the file with the Culmus fonts. I am looking for a modern, non-serif font that is curvy, not boxy. Immediately, that leaves only Caladings, Ellinia, Nachlieli, and Yehuda. Caladings is to wide-spaced, Ellinia and Yehuda are too narrow-bodied. That leaves Nachlieli as the only fitting font. When I have samples of the MS fonts I will make a similar page, and I will compare the good MS fonts with Nachlieli. Thanks for this exercise, I really should have done this long ago. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il fonts.odt Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.text ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I see your point. I compared Nachlieli with Arial and DejaVu and there certainly are some problems both Nachlieli and DejaVu Sans in my opinion: - Both DejaVu and Nachlieli are thinner than Arial, which is not nice for screen reading. - Nachlieli has too short chupchikim in my opinion. Both for Lamed and for Mem. - The kerning of Dejavu needs some work. As I might be 50% out of work in another two weeks, I might have a look at some of the issues, like kerning... We'll see. Regards, Dov 2009/6/14 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com Here is the file with the Culmus fonts. I am looking for a modern, non-serif font that is curvy, not boxy. Immediately, that leaves only Caladings, Ellinia, Nachlieli, and Yehuda. Caladings is to wide-spaced, Ellinia and Yehuda are too narrow-bodied. That leaves Nachlieli as the only fitting font. When I have samples of the MS fonts I will make a similar page, and I will compare the good MS fonts with Nachlieli. Thanks for this exercise, I really should have done this long ago. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
I see your point. I compared Nachlieli with Arial and DejaVu and there certainly are some problems both Nachlieli and DejaVu Sans in my opinion: Both DejaVu and Nachlieli are thinner than Arial, which is not nice for screen reading. Nachlieli has too short chupchikim in my opinion. Both for Lamed and for Mem. The kerning of Dejavu needs some work. As I might be 50% out of work in another two weeks, I might have a look at some of the issues, like kerning... We'll see. If you are developing Hebrew fonts, then I'm your happy testbed. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 04:17:40PM +0300, Dov Grobgeld wrote: Since all the Culmus fonts have CLM in them you can get the list as below. You can also see the fonts at http://culmus.sourceforge.net/ . BTW: I quite like the fact that some fonts in Culmus have a decent em for Hebrew that is not Italics. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
BTW: I quite like the fact that some fonts in Culmus have a decent em for Hebrew that is not Italics. I never looked at that, but I will. Thanks. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Oh, those fonts are unicode, and I can assure you that they do have Hebrew fonts. I use Arial from this download all the times on browser and many other applications (pidgin etc..).. They are unicode, but they do not seem to contain the Hebrew glyphs. Is there a way to open them to be certain? You can also copy the TTF files from your Vista or XP install and use ttmkfdir so your X can recognize those fonts. It should be in your c:\windows\fonts or something (look for TTF type files). I don't have Vista or XP, I have only ever seen the fonts on other peoples' computers. That is the reason that I started this thread, I need to find someone with Vista in Hebrew! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Sure, After you install msttcorefonts package, you can do a simple thing (I'm using KDE on Fedora 11, I don't know how to do this with GNOME): 1. Launch kfontview 2. select Open 3. go to /usr/share/fonts/msttcorefonts/ 4. select arial.ttf for example 5. select to change the text and type something in Hebrew 6. The text will be reversed, but you'll be able clearly to see if the font has Hebrew support. I just tried it on Arial and Hebrew looks great. Hetz On Sat, Jun 13, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, those fonts are unicode, and I can assure you that they do have Hebrew fonts. I use Arial from this download all the times on browser and many other applications (pidgin etc..).. They are unicode, but they do not seem to contain the Hebrew glyphs. Is there a way to open them to be certain? You can also copy the TTF files from your Vista or XP install and use ttmkfdir so your X can recognize those fonts. It should be in your c:\windows\fonts or something (look for TTF type files). I don't have Vista or XP, I have only ever seen the fonts on other peoples' computers. That is the reason that I started this thread, I need to find someone with Vista in Hebrew! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Windows Vista has some very nice Hebrew fonts, in stark contrast to Ubuntu or other Linux distros. Although one can easily aquire the Vista fonts with English glyphs, in order to get them with Hebrew glyphs I need to find a machine with Hebrew Vista. If anyone has access to such a machine, I would appreciate it if you could share with me the fonts that contain Hebrew glyphs. Thanks! For that matter, if anyone could recommend some nice FOSS Hebrew fonts I'm all ears. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
the msttcorefonts package does just that: it download some fonts, place them in your distro and let you use them. So if you use ubuntu/debian/xandros, just do: apt-get install msttcorefonts Enjoy, Hetz On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Windows Vista has some very nice Hebrew fonts, in stark contrast to Ubuntu or other Linux distros. Although one can easily aquire the Vista fonts with English glyphs, in order to get them with Hebrew glyphs I need to find a machine with Hebrew Vista. If anyone has access to such a machine, I would appreciate it if you could share with me the fonts that contain Hebrew glyphs. Thanks! For that matter, if anyone could recommend some nice FOSS Hebrew fonts I'm all ears. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
the msttcorefonts package does just that: it download some fonts, place them in your distro and let you use them. So if you use ubuntu/debian/xandros, just do: apt-get install msttcorefonts Thanks, Hetz, but the .exe on sourcefourge that it downloads only contains Latin glyphs, no Hebrew glyphs. To get Hebrew glyphs, we are on our own! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Vista Hebrew fonts: who has them?
Oh, those fonts are unicode, and I can assure you that they do have Hebrew fonts. I use Arial from this download all the times on browser and many other applications (pidgin etc..).. You can also copy the TTF files from your Vista or XP install and use ttmkfdir so your X can recognize those fonts. It should be in your c:\windows\fonts or something (look for TTF type files). Hetz On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Dotan Cohendotanco...@gmail.com wrote: the msttcorefonts package does just that: it download some fonts, place them in your distro and let you use them. So if you use ubuntu/debian/xandros, just do: apt-get install msttcorefonts Thanks, Hetz, but the .exe on sourcefourge that it downloads only contains Latin glyphs, no Hebrew glyphs. To get Hebrew glyphs, we are on our own! -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
