Re: gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-27 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Wed, 2008-11-26 at 18:43 +0030, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
 Sorry, but I disagree with you.
 
 If someone is using the card for 2d only work without any 3d stuff,
 then the nv driver does great work, including good video support.
 
 There is also a development these days to create a driver from scratch
 and it's making good progress.
 
 Hetz

You're missing the main problem.
The nv driver is an unmaintained binary blob (Given that lack of
documentation) that receives sporadic undocumented patches by nVidia
personal. (Once a new card arrives)
In essence, it's no better than the nvidia binary driver.

The Noveau project (NV OSS driver) is a valiant effort, that is doomed
to fail. (Again, given the lack of cooperation from nVidia)

Now, I don't pretend to hold the moral higher ground here - mostly
because I've using a large number of nVidia cards coupled with their
binary driver.

I am claiming that ATI/AMD effort to OSS their drivers should be
rewarded by a switch to their brand. (I'm waiting for the OSS R500/600
driver to mature, before I start migrating to ATI/AMD)

- Gilboa


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Re: gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-26 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 23:02 +0200, Omer Zak wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 20:29 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
  On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 19:52 +0200, Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote:
   Any recommendations for a good webcam to use with linux? (Mainly for
   use with Skype)
   
   TIA,
   Chaim
   
  I'm using the (somewhat pricey) Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX and it
  works just fine. (gspca driver)
 
 Does anyone have good experience working with the gspca driver in
 conjunction with the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] video
 card?
 
 In my system, the driver causes video applications to hang up (Linux
 kernel 2.6.18-6).
 
 --- Omer
 
 

I never tried gspca with the nv driver - only the binary driver.

On a side note, if you rather not install binary driver, I'd suggest you
throw away the nVidia card and replace it with an older ATI card.
Preferably R300/400/500 based.

- Gilboa


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Re: gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-26 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Sorry, but I disagree with you.

If someone is using the card for 2d only work without any 3d stuff,
then the nv driver does great work, including good video support.

There is also a development these days to create a driver from scratch
and it's making good progress.

Hetz

On 11/26/08, Gilboa Davara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 23:02 +0200, Omer Zak wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 20:29 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
  On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 19:52 +0200, Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote:
   Any recommendations for a good webcam to use with linux? (Mainly for
   use with Skype)
  
   TIA,
   Chaim
  
  I'm using the (somewhat pricey) Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX and it
  works just fine. (gspca driver)

 Does anyone have good experience working with the gspca driver in
 conjunction with the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] video
 card?

 In my system, the driver causes video applications to hang up (Linux
 kernel 2.6.18-6).

 --- Omer



 I never tried gspca with the nv driver - only the binary driver.

 On a side note, if you rather not install binary driver, I'd suggest you
 throw away the nVidia card and replace it with an older ATI card.
 Preferably R300/400/500 based.

 - Gilboa


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gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-24 Thread Omer Zak
On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 20:29 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 19:52 +0200, Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote:
  Any recommendations for a good webcam to use with linux? (Mainly for
  use with Skype)
  
  TIA,
  Chaim
  
 I'm using the (somewhat pricey) Logitech QuickCam Communicate STX and it
 works just fine. (gspca driver)

Does anyone have good experience working with the gspca driver in
conjunction with the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] video
card?

In my system, the driver causes video applications to hang up (Linux
kernel 2.6.18-6).

--- Omer


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Re: gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-24 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Hi Omer,

 Does anyone have good experience working with the gspca driver in
 conjunction with the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] video
 card?

 In my system, the driver causes video applications to hang up (Linux
 kernel 2.6.18-6).

Does the problem repeats when you're using the nv (open source)
driver and not the nvidia driver? if so, I think you should report
it to nvidia (they are on #nvidia channel on freenode IRC)

Hetz

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Re: gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-24 Thread Omer Zak
I tested it only with 'nv' - never installed 'nvidia' in my PC.

On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 23:25 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
 Hi Omer,
 
  Does anyone have good experience working with the gspca driver in
  conjunction with the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] video
  card?
 
  In my system, the driver causes video applications to hang up (Linux
  kernel 2.6.18-6).
 
 Does the problem repeats when you're using the nv (open source)
 driver and not the nvidia driver? if so, I think you should report
 it to nvidia (they are on #nvidia channel on freenode IRC)


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Re: gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-24 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Well, I think you didn't install it due it closeness, if I'm right...

My suggestion would be to install the closed driver and see if this
problem returns. If it's not, then you should file in a bug with the
X.org. If the problem still there, then it could be either the card or
the camera's driver.

You might also try the vesa driver to see if this problem appears,
although I'm not sure if there aren't any specific parts of nv
driver in vesa driver.

Hetz

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I tested it only with 'nv' - never installed 'nvidia' in my PC.

 On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 23:25 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
 Hi Omer,

  Does anyone have good experience working with the gspca driver in
  conjunction with the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] video
  card?
 
  In my system, the driver causes video applications to hang up (Linux
  kernel 2.6.18-6).

 Does the problem repeats when you're using the nv (open source)
 driver and not the nvidia driver? if so, I think you should report
 it to nvidia (they are on #nvidia channel on freenode IRC)


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Re: gspca with GeForge FX 5200 experience, anyone? (was: Re: Webcam Recommendations?)

2008-11-24 Thread Omer Zak
I don't have gspca for my current kernel (2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686) and
the gspca-source package didn't compile for it (there are Debian bugs
filed for it).

My story with gspca and the above video card is filed as bugs with
Debian:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=444314
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=423920

As far as I could see, no action was taken with those bugs.
So I am looking for people who experienced similar hang ups to help
diagnose the problem.
   --- Omer
P.S.: Hetz's suggestion to try with the vesa driver was nice, but when
configured to use vesa, the X server did not start.

On Tue, 2008-11-25 at 00:37 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: 
 Well, I think you didn't install it due it closeness, if I'm right...
 
 My suggestion would be to install the closed driver and see if this
 problem returns. If it's not, then you should file in a bug with the
 X.org. If the problem still there, then it could be either the card or
 the camera's driver.
 
 You might also try the vesa driver to see if this problem appears,
 although I'm not sure if there aren't any specific parts of nv
 driver in vesa driver.
 
 Hetz
 
 On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I tested it only with 'nv' - never installed 'nvidia' in my PC.
 
  On Mon, 2008-11-24 at 23:25 +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
  Hi Omer,
 
   Does anyone have good experience working with the gspca driver in
   conjunction with the nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] video
   card?
  
   In my system, the driver causes video applications to hang up (Linux
   kernel 2.6.18-6).
 
  Does the problem repeats when you're using the nv (open source)
  driver and not the nvidia driver? if so, I think you should report
  it to nvidia (they are on #nvidia channel on freenode IRC)
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