Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
Quoting Hetz Ben Hamo, from the post of Tue, 08 Apr: Hi Ira, I hope you use the 5.1 Centos. Naturally... 1. Go here (http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/) and add this reporsitory. This [...] wait for 4.1) go here (http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/) and add the 4. I would definitely recommend setting up a local YUM/APT repository server with all the packages and point all the machines to it. well, I don't think I'll be updating it much, so I just did this: * Install a bare machine * add repos you and others recommended * yum install stuff I wanted * harvest the yum cache to a central directory now I can go and rpm -Uvh dir/* at the end of the kickstart and I'm all set. it will do for now. I'm still missing some of the stuff they wanted but I'll burn that bridge when I get to it later. CU. -- Neo-clown Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
Hi Amos, Isn't rpmforge supposed to be a one stop shop for all the large RPM repositories? Supposed - yes, but different groups see themselves as special so they don't join (I won't name names). The same issue was with Fedora's RPMS, but now there's Livna. One repository to add, and thats it. Hetz -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
I must add that the repositories are trying to be computable with each other, and usually its clearly documented in the repo web page which other repos as safe to mix and which are not... Ohad On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Amos, Isn't rpmforge supposed to be a one stop shop for all the large RPM repositories? Supposed - yes, but different groups see themselves as special so they don't join (I won't name names). The same issue was with Fedora's RPMS, but now there's Livna. One repository to add, and thats it. Hetz -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before I get into endless tests of dependencies of those important bits of the toolchains from RPMs intended for Fedora 5,6,7,8 or even OpenSuSE, does anyone have a recommendation? Which RPMs (or debs! I don't mind!) will work best with the base libraries of CentOS 5.1 and still feature the latest versions? Ira, I don't have much experience with CentOS, but I do run one in a virtual machine. Have a look at http://wiki.centos.org/Repositories, and add some extra repositories to yum condifuration. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
after kickstart gave me a hard (and weird) time, I finally have CENTOS-5 installed automagically over the LAN with PXE. Since it's the target platform of the product, it only makes sense the RD do the building on it. DUH AKA it features only a few of the tools they need and old versions to boot, which means I'll be setting up all the machines to get a common /opt from a remote machines with all the needed tools, that are not available from CentOS or even the CentOS-plus repo, and turn the CentOS machines into a nice workstation. So to my question: Before I get into endless tests of dependencies of those important bits of the toolchains from RPMs intended for Fedora 5,6,7,8 or even OpenSuSE, does anyone have a recommendation? Which RPMs (or debs! I don't mind!) will work best with the base libraries of CentOS 5.1 and still feature the latest versions? Would Etch match? Could Fedora fit? Should Gutsy be considered? (tools they want, and most are not in CentOS, are vlc, OOO, kmtrace, kompare, kregexpeditor, kate, kdesvn, doxygen, colorgcc and many other such toys and tools) Thanks in advance! -- Court-appointed penguin Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
Hi Ira, On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after kickstart gave me a hard (and weird) time, I finally have CENTOS-5 installed automagically over the LAN with PXE. Since it's the target platform of the product, it only makes sense the RD do the building on it. DUH AKA it features only a few of the tools they need and old versions to boot, which means I'll be setting up all the machines to get a common /opt from a remote machines with all the needed tools, that are not available from CentOS or even the CentOS-plus repo, and turn the CentOS machines into a nice workstation. I hope you use the 5.1 Centos. Since I prefer Red Hat, I can talk about RH stuff. I'm sure others can speak of Ubuntu, SuSE etc... All you need to do is add 2 more repositories (judging by the packages names, I can understand that they really love KDE) 1. Go here (http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/) and add this reporsitory. This should give you OOO, vlc, and other stuff. If you plan to use anything that requires an addition kernel module, you better use the dkms packages (like FUSE etc..) 2. For KDE applications, latest KDE (please DO NOT INSTALL KDE 4 on their workstations unless you really know well KDE and want to spend hours for trying to fix bugs. It's still not stable and I recommend to wait for 4.1) go here (http://kde-redhat.sourceforge.net/) and add the repository so you can get the stuff you want. 3. I would definitely recommend NOT to go with any fedora for their workstation since Fedora is a moving target and their upgrade process reminds me of upgrading from Windows 98 to XP, i.e: could make you cry. Red Hat tends to change things quite drastically between versions which would be a nightmare to upgrade few dozens of workstations. 4. I would definitely recommend setting up a local YUM/APT repository server with all the packages and point all the machines to it. Thanks, Hetz So to my question: Before I get into endless tests of dependencies of those important bits of the toolchains from RPMs intended for Fedora 5,6,7,8 or even OpenSuSE, does anyone have a recommendation? Which RPMs (or debs! I don't mind!) will work best with the base libraries of CentOS 5.1 and still feature the latest versions? Would Etch match? Could Fedora fit? Should Gutsy be considered? (tools they want, and most are not in CentOS, are vlc, OOO, kmtrace, kompare, kregexpeditor, kate, kdesvn, doxygen, colorgcc and many other such toys and tools) Thanks in advance! -- Court-appointed penguin Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Skepticism is the lazy person's default position. my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:49:31 Ira Abramov wrote: Before I get into endless tests of dependencies of those important bits of the toolchains from RPMs intended for Fedora 5,6,7,8 or even OpenSuSE, does anyone have a recommendation? Which RPMs (or debs! I don't mind!) will work best with the base libraries of CentOS 5.1 and still feature the latest versions? Would Etch match? Could Fedora fit? Should Gutsy be considered? (tools they want, and most are not in CentOS, are vlc, OOO, kmtrace, kompare, kregexpeditor, kate, kdesvn, doxygen, colorgcc and many other such toys and tools) I checked the status of VLC (for my home machine) and you can build it yourself (it takes a lot of work, I did not try it myself. see: http://andcher.homeip.net/tiki-index.php?page=VlcBuild ). Another (easier) way is to search for the right repository - you can try Dag Wieers repository at: http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/ . He has an RPM for VLC but some of libraries are mismatched (VLC requires older libraries). I'll wait for the next VLC RPM. Ehud. -- Ehud Karni Tel: +972-3-7966-561 /\ Mivtach - Simon Fax: +972-3-7966-667 \ / ASCII Ribbon Campaign Insurance agencies (USA) voice mail and X Against HTML Mail http://www.mvs.co.il FAX: 1-815-5509341 / \ GnuPG: 98EA398D http://www.keyserver.net/Better Safe Than Sorry = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
Hi Ira, From my experience, most of the binaries you need are already packaged by someone. As Hetz mentions, dag is a good place to start, epel is another good source and I would also recommend atrpms. but you should be careful about mixing them too much as I'm not sure if they don't have any issues when mixing them together. best practice, as Hetz said is to setup your own yum repo (very simple btw) and put the rpms that you really need in - this can ensure that you have the same version of the binary in all of your machines (it could be that when you install your first and last computer, the version has changed on the official repo server). in the worst case that you don't find an rpm for your version of centos, it is simple enough to download the fedora SRPM and rebuild it for your host, I've done it more than once and its relatively save. I would recommend against an /opt for normal binaries that could be managed though rpms, its usually faster to run them from the local disk and brings less complexity later on. Ohad On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Ira Abramov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: after kickstart gave me a hard (and weird) time, I finally have CENTOS-5 installed automagically over the LAN with PXE. Since it's the target platform of the product, it only makes sense the RD do the building on it. DUH AKA it features only a few of the tools they need and old versions to boot, which means I'll be setting up all the machines to get a common /opt from a remote machines with all the needed tools, that are not available from CentOS or even the CentOS-plus repo, and turn the CentOS machines into a nice workstation. So to my question: Before I get into endless tests of dependencies of those important bits of the toolchains from RPMs intended for Fedora 5,6,7,8 or even OpenSuSE, does anyone have a recommendation? Which RPMs (or debs! I don't mind!) will work best with the base libraries of CentOS 5.1 and still feature the latest versions? Would Etch match? Could Fedora fit? Should Gutsy be considered? (tools they want, and most are not in CentOS, are vlc, OOO, kmtrace, kompare, kregexpeditor, kate, kdesvn, doxygen, colorgcc and many other such toys and tools) Thanks in advance! -- Court-appointed penguin Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: things left out of RHEL5 - and where to get them from
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ohad Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ira, From my experience, most of the binaries you need are already packaged by someone. As Hetz mentions, dag is a good place to start, epel is another good source and I would also recommend atrpms. Isn't rpmforge supposed to be a one stop shop for all the large RPM repositories? but you should be careful about mixing them too much as I'm not sure if they don't have any issues when mixing them together. Based on a little tracking of the centos users mailing list, you are right to be concerned about this - I saw someone bang his head against the wall because he didn't notice that a dependent package came from a different repository than the one which dependd on it and couldn't figure out why the dependency isn't solved until someone on the list pointed this out to him. --Amos = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
