raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Ruslan Sivak
I am trying to set up raid 10 and so far with no luck.  I have 4 drives, 
and Anaconda will not let me do raid 10.  mdadm doesn't have the raid 10 
personality loaded.  When I create the array manually like so:


2 drives in /dev/md11 as raid1
2 drives in /dev/md12 as raid1
md11 and md12 in /dev/md10 as raid0

Everything looks fine from the shell, but anaconda only sees md11 and 
md12. 

The only choice I see is to set up LVM over md11 and md12.  Is this 
really raid10?


Russ


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RE: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Patrick_Boyd
No LVM over the two RAID 1's is more like RAID 1c which is just a
concatenation of RAID 1's. You don't get the striping that you get in
RAID 10.

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Subject: raid10 on centos 5

I am trying to set up raid 10 and so far with no luck.  I have 4 drives,

and Anaconda will not let me do raid 10.  mdadm doesn't have the raid 10

personality loaded.  When I create the array manually like so:

2 drives in /dev/md11 as raid1
2 drives in /dev/md12 as raid1
md11 and md12 in /dev/md10 as raid0

Everything looks fine from the shell, but anaconda only sees md11 and 
md12. 

The only choice I see is to set up LVM over md11 and md12.  Is this 
really raid10?

Russ


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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Ruslan Sivak

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No LVM over the two RAID 1's is more like RAID 1c which is just a
concatenation of RAID 1's. You don't get the striping that you get in
RAID 10.

  
That's what I guessed.  Can anyone let me know if it's possible to set 
up a real md raid10?  Do I need to custom compile the kernel and do a 
kickstart install or something?


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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Justin Piszcz

cat /proc/mdstat

is the raid10 personality installed?

On Fri, 4 May 2007, Ruslan Sivak wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

No LVM over the two RAID 1's is more like RAID 1c which is just a
concatenation of RAID 1's. You don't get the striping that you get in
RAID 10.


That's what I guessed.  Can anyone let me know if it's possible to set up a 
real md raid10?  Do I need to custom compile the kernel and do a kickstart 
install or something?


Russ
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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Ruslan Sivak

Justin Piszcz wrote:

cat /proc/mdstat

is the raid10 personality installed?


No, it's not.  How would I go about installing it?

Personalities: [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]

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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Justin Piszcz
Compile into the kernel, boot new kernel then create your RAID 10 volume 
with mdadm :)



On Fri, 4 May 2007, Ruslan Sivak wrote:


Justin Piszcz wrote:

cat /proc/mdstat

is the raid10 personality installed?


No, it's not.  How would I go about installing it?

Personalities: [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4]

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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Ruslan Sivak

Justin Piszcz wrote:
Compile into the kernel, boot new kernel then create your RAID 10 
volume with mdadm :)



So a custom kernel is needed?  Is there a way to do a kickstart install 
with the new kernel?  Or better yet, put it on the install cd?


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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Justin Piszcz

Unsure for CentOS, I use Debian and always compile my own kernel.

Justin.

On Fri, 4 May 2007, Ruslan Sivak wrote:


Justin Piszcz wrote:
Compile into the kernel, boot new kernel then create your RAID 10 volume 
with mdadm :)



So a custom kernel is needed?  Is there a way to do a kickstart install with 
the new kernel?  Or better yet, put it on the install cd?


Russ



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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread David Greaves
Ruslan Sivak wrote:
 So a custom kernel is needed?  Is there a way to do a kickstart install
 with the new kernel?  Or better yet, put it on the install cd?

have you tried:
 modprobe raid10

?

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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Ruslan Sivak

David Greaves wrote:

Ruslan Sivak wrote:
  

So a custom kernel is needed?  Is there a way to do a kickstart install
with the new kernel?  Or better yet, put it on the install cd?



have you tried:
 modprobe raid10

?

David
  
Yes, no such luck. 


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RE: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Guy Watkins


} -Original Message-
} From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:linux-raid-
} [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruslan Sivak
} Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:22 PM
} To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
} Subject: raid10 on centos 5
} 
} I am trying to set up raid 10 and so far with no luck.  I have 4 drives,
} and Anaconda will not let me do raid 10.  mdadm doesn't have the raid 10
} personality loaded.  When I create the array manually like so:
} 
} 2 drives in /dev/md11 as raid1
} 2 drives in /dev/md12 as raid1
} md11 and md12 in /dev/md10 as raid0
} 
} Everything looks fine from the shell, but anaconda only sees md11 and
} md12.
} 
} The only choice I see is to set up LVM over md11 and md12.  Is this
} really raid10?
} 
} Russ

You are making a RAID1+RAID0 array.
Try making a real RAID10 array with 4 drives.  This way you would only have
1 array with 4 drives.

From the mdadm man page:
Currently, Linux supports LINEAR md devices,  RAID0  (striping),  RAID1
   (mirroring), RAID4, RAID5, RAID6, RAID10, MULTIPATH, and FAULTY.

Notice RAID10 is listed, use that.  Man mdadm for more info.

However, I would (and do) use RAID6.  With RAID6 any 2 disks can fail
without data loss.  With RAID1+RAID0, any one disk can fail, a second
failure has a 1 in 3 chance of vast data loss.

I hope this helps,
Guy

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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Ruslan Sivak

Eli Stair wrote:


You shouldn't need to build a new kernel, just extract the SRPM for 
the initial install (CentOS 5, no updated kernels), use the config for 
the appropriate kernel (SMP, UP, i386/x86_64), enable the raid10 
module and do a 'make modules'.  You may need to do a minor amount of 
tweaking in the installer image to include this, but nothing serious.  
Alternately, just building a driver disk with the module and source it 
in the install.  Interesting that it's not enabled in the installer 
image, because it's present in a fully-booted system... space 
limitations?



/eli

It is not present in a fully booted system for me either.  Are you 
running centos 5? 

How would I make a driver disk?  I'm not very familiar with this. 


Russ


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Re: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Eli Stair


You shouldn't need to build a new kernel, just extract the SRPM for the initial 
install (CentOS 5, no updated kernels), use the config for the appropriate kernel 
(SMP, UP, i386/x86_64), enable the raid10 module and do a 'make modules'.  You may 
need to do a minor amount of tweaking in the installer image to include this, but 
nothing serious.  Alternately, just building a driver disk with the module and 
source it in the install.  Interesting that it's not enabled in the installer 
image, because it's present in a fully-booted system... space limitations?



/eli

Ruslan Sivak wrote:

Guy Watkins wrote:
  } -Original Message-
  } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:linux-raid-
  } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruslan Sivak
  } Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:22 PM
  } To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
  } Subject: raid10 on centos 5
  }
  } I am trying to set up raid 10 and so far with no luck.  I have 4 
drives,
  } and Anaconda will not let me do raid 10.  mdadm doesn't have the 
raid 10

  } personality loaded.  When I create the array manually like so:
  }
  } 2 drives in /dev/md11 as raid1
  } 2 drives in /dev/md12 as raid1
  } md11 and md12 in /dev/md10 as raid0
  }
  } Everything looks fine from the shell, but anaconda only sees md11 and
  } md12.
  }
  } The only choice I see is to set up LVM over md11 and md12.  Is this
  } really raid10?
  }
  } Russ
 
  You are making a RAID1+RAID0 array.
  Try making a real RAID10 array with 4 drives.  This way you would 
only have

  1 array with 4 drives.
 
  From the mdadm man page:
  Currently, Linux supports LINEAR md devices,  RAID0  (striping),  RAID1
 (mirroring), RAID4, RAID5, RAID6, RAID10, MULTIPATH, and FAULTY.
 
  Notice RAID10 is listed, use that.  Man mdadm for more info.
 
  However, I would (and do) use RAID6.  With RAID6 any 2 disks can fail
  without data loss.  With RAID1+RAID0, any one disk can fail, a second
  failure has a 1 in 3 chance of vast data loss.
 
  I hope this helps,
  Guy
 
  -
   



Guy,

That's what I've been trying to do.  Unfortunatelly, my distro, CentOS 5
(based on RHEL 5, I believe), does not have the RAID10 personality in
the kernel.  I guess I would have to compile my own kernel and load the
module through a driver disk.  Would that work?  Are there some
instructions somewhere I can follow?

Russ


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RE: raid10 on centos 5

2007-05-04 Thread Guy Watkins
} -Original Message-
} From: Ruslan Sivak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
} Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 7:22 PM
} To: Guy Watkins
} Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
} Subject: Re: raid10 on centos 5
} 
} Guy Watkins wrote:
}  } -Original Message-
}  } From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:linux-raid-
}  } [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ruslan Sivak
}  } Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:22 PM
}  } To: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org
}  } Subject: raid10 on centos 5
}  }
}  } I am trying to set up raid 10 and so far with no luck.  I have 4
} drives,
}  } and Anaconda will not let me do raid 10.  mdadm doesn't have the raid
} 10
}  } personality loaded.  When I create the array manually like so:
}  }
}  } 2 drives in /dev/md11 as raid1
}  } 2 drives in /dev/md12 as raid1
}  } md11 and md12 in /dev/md10 as raid0
}  }
}  } Everything looks fine from the shell, but anaconda only sees md11 and
}  } md12.
}  }
}  } The only choice I see is to set up LVM over md11 and md12.  Is this
}  } really raid10?
}  }
}  } Russ
} 
}  You are making a RAID1+RAID0 array.
}  Try making a real RAID10 array with 4 drives.  This way you would only
} have
}  1 array with 4 drives.
} 
}  From the mdadm man page:
}  Currently, Linux supports LINEAR md devices,  RAID0  (striping),  RAID1
} (mirroring), RAID4, RAID5, RAID6, RAID10, MULTIPATH, and FAULTY.
} 
}  Notice RAID10 is listed, use that.  Man mdadm for more info.
} 
}  However, I would (and do) use RAID6.  With RAID6 any 2 disks can fail
}  without data loss.  With RAID1+RAID0, any one disk can fail, a second
}  failure has a 1 in 3 chance of vast data loss.
} 
}  I hope this helps,
}  Guy
} 
}  -
} 
} 
} 
} Guy,
} 
} That's what I've been trying to do.  Unfortunatelly, my distro, CentOS 5
} (based on RHEL 5, I believe), does not have the RAID10 personality in
} the kernel.  I guess I would have to compile my own kernel and load the
} module through a driver disk.  Would that work?  Are there some
} instructions somewhere I can follow?
} 
} Russ

I don't know how to make a driver disk.  Also not much on making modules.
From what I know, linux only loads the RAID modules it needs.  My system
does not have raid0 or raid10 loaded.  But both loaded when I used modprobe.
I have FC6, upgraded from FC5 using yum, so maybe not 100% FC6.

Anyway, you were not making a RAID10 array.  You were making 2 RAID1 arrays
and then 1 RAID0 array.  That does not need the RAID10 module (AFAIK).

If I recall, there is an issue of nesting arrays like you were doing.  The
problem was related to auto starting them.  But I don't recall any details,
and maybe it has been corrected.

Guy

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