Re: CLUG revival meet - this Sunday afto 1 Aug
On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 09:21:24 you wrote: Hi Everyone, My apologies for being bossy and pushy: There seems to be a fair interest from a lot of you, over a few CLUG-related topics. (I STILL don't know if I can be free on the eve of the 2nd or the 3rd, and Ryan has hassles with evenings.) Thank you for the consideration. It really made my week :- D So I propose... Place: The Dux De Lux (corner of Hereford Montreal Streets) Date: Sunday, 1 August Time: 4pm until we're fed thirst-quenched, weary, or bored Who:I'm 185cm, grey-haired, bespectacled, slim, with a penguin sign Maybe some topics: - Meeting again or not (where, when, cost, parking, facilities) - The website and domain - Groups to include (LINUX, GNU/OSS, MicroSoft, PC hardware, Macs) - Future topics: Careers/networking, technical matters, Shatner/Stewart/Brooks/Mulgrew, embedded systems, on-site visits, etc. Sounds good. I'm almost certainly going to be there. -- Quote of the login: Is a computer language with goto's totally Wirth-less? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Any face-to-face CLUGging on 1 to 4 August?
[Note this Email originally went to the OP instead of the list. Sorry if it dose not go into the thread smoothly] Hello CLUG, I'll be moving to Chch from Greymouth around early September, and would like to meet fellow LINUX folk. Will visit Chch from 1 to 4 August in the mean time. Anyone up for some pizza and coke around then? Actually about that, is there any chance of an informal CLUG meeting in the early afternoon? I'm out in Amberley and going down to Christchurch at night is to much hassle. Does anyone else feel that way? -- Quote of the login: The bugs you have to avoid are the ones that give the user not only the inclination to get on a plane, but also the time. -- Kay Bostic signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Just an idea...
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 14:39 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: Knowing a handful of extremely visual thinkers who dread the command line I have been thinking over the possibility of an application that uses a drag and drop interface to visually represent the concepts of piping and redirecting. At the moment I'm just in the day dream stage of development but I'm happy to start implementing if someone else is. Anyway, sorry if this is a considered a spam but I need to some how ask a largish number of people if I would be wasting my time on if I tried writing it. On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:41:24 you wrote: I think it's a good idea. Are you thinking of it as an educational tool, or something more like a shell script generator from a GUI? A script generator intended mainly for one liners. I had a brief look around freshmeat.net and didn't see anything like this. It may be that given the familiarity with the use of the command line by Linux user, such a tool is not needed. Or it may be that nobody thought of it before. I have had this idea in the back of my mind for a couple of years as something that could be done. The reason why I have bought it up now is because I've noticed that Unix has a massive bias against people with weak language skills. I have to say I've seen and worked with plenty of graphical tools to generate process flow and data flow from basic elements, with or without a target or specific language to generate the task in, but all had a specific purpose. Never seen something so close to the operating system as to use command line components. Basically what I want to be able to do with it is reply to people saying Linux is all unintuitive command line stuff from the 70's , with Look! A modern graphical command line!. It may be that you have uncovered something here. In a way I am hoping not. I'm scared of having to follow this up with a stable, maintainable implementation. We'd probably have to have a set of categorised tables with all of the common commands in there and a method for adding more. Also a dialogue for arguments and lots of documentation would be required. -- Quote of the login: In every non-trivial program there is at least one bug.
Re: Just an idea...
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:40:08 Christopher Sawtell wrote: Indeed it does, but would it not be a better idea to create a program which helped people improve their language and reeading skills, instead of creating a program which only made the unix command line environment available to the linguistically challenged. A much better use of the letters I and E - Illiteracy Exterminator than the more usual one. ... Where did that come from? I'm not talking about people who are lazy in their spelling, I'm talking about those who think in heavily visual terms. Trust me on this point, I know a couple who are very technically minded but can not cope with a system that is built around language. i.e. A visual shell? I'm pretty sure that I've seen that term used in a broader sense. -- Quote of the login: In every non-trivial program there is at least one bug.
Just an idea...
Knowing a handful of extremely visual thinkers who dread the command line I have been thinking over the possibility of an application that uses a drag and drop interface to visually represent the concepts of piping and redirecting. At the moment I'm just in the day dream stage of development but I'm happy to start implementing if someone else is. Anyway, sorry if this is a considered a spam but I need to some how ask a largish number of people if I would be wasting my time on if I tried writing it. -- Quote of the login: Emerson's Law of Contrariness: Our chief want in life is somebody who shall make us do what we can. Having found them, we shall then hate them for it.
Re: Is there such a distro?
On Mon, 31 May 2010 12:27:38 you wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote: Okay there have been a few misunderstandings about what I meant in my original post on this thread. After some thinking I believe that I can clarify myself properly On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:30 you wrote: Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to have as few surprises as possible for people who are already accustomed to Linux? By accustomed to Linux I mean that this user is more comfortable with Linux than any other system but not necessarily a power user. I just want a very generic distro. By generic I don't just mean desktop centered with no paradigm shifting technologies. I mean a system that aims to have as few original contributions as possible what do you mean as few original contributions as possible - do you mean you want a distro without any special tools that are designed just for that distro, by the distro maker? AFAIK that is near impossible without simply repackaging something else (such as the case with CentOS and Redhat). But yeah as few non-universal features as possible and absolutely nothing set up in a unique or near unique way. I suppose the real reason I want a system like what I am trying to describe is so that we can point and say Well there is no standard Linux but that one works exactly how any junior admin would expect. If so, ubuntu won't do you as they innovate quite a bit, as does fedora, as does suse. That comes of having a bunch of paid developers[1] sitting there developing, innovating and differentiating their distros. And at times their developments get taken up by other distros. eg REDHAT package manager is used by a lot of distros besides Redhat, upstart was developed by Canonical but is now also used by Fedora and others. If you want a very generic system with no distro centered addons then you perhaps don't want a distro at all, because they all try to differentiate themselves in some way with some new 'feature'. If I still misunderstood what you are after then please explain again. and have a complete out-of-the-box set of programs (GUI and CLI) that one would expect out of a Linux based system. P.S: I know that you can set a root password on Ubuntu but I seam to remember other things being dropped because they're of no use to granny. You don't need a root password. Ubuntu proves that. You do if you have a neurotic need to configure every detail but lack the time and bandwidth for Gentoo/Slackware/LFS. P.P.S: We're lucky here but there is still need for DVD based systems for those without broadband. I was running Fedora without internet any connection at all from mid 2006 to the start of 2008. [1] OK so fedora's paid developers really work for redhat.
Re: Is there such a distro?
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 20:27:07 you wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote: You do if you have a neurotic need to configure every detail but lack the time and bandwidth for Gentoo/Slackware/LFS. well give it a root password then. What the hell has bandwidth to do with configuration? Those are the ones most famously in need of heavy configuration to make them usable on a day to day basis and LFS and Gentoo both need to be downloaded bit by bit while they are installed as opposed to acquired from a computer magazine.
Re: Is there such a distro?
Okay there have been a few misunderstandings about what I meant in my original post on this thread. After some thinking I believe that I can clarify myself properly On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:02:30 you wrote: Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to have as few surprises as possible for people who are already accustomed to Linux? By accustomed to Linux I mean that this user is more comfortable with Linux than any other system but not necessarily a power user. I just want a very generic distro. By generic I don't just mean desktop centered with no paradigm shifting technologies. I mean a system that aims to have as few original contributions as possible and have a complete out-of-the-box set of programs (GUI and CLI) that one would expect out of a Linux based system. P.S: I know that you can set a root password on Ubuntu but I seam to remember other things being dropped because they're of no use to granny. P.P.S: We're lucky here but there is still need for DVD based systems for those without broadband. I was running Fedora without internet any connection at all from mid 2006 to the start of 2008.
Is there such a distro?
Are there any desktop centered distros whose primary aim is to have as few surprises as possible for people who are already accustomed to Linux? So far all of the distros I have seen (old Knoppix, Red Hat, Linspire, Ubuntu, Fedora, Kubuntu, Slackware, Mandriva, Open Suse, Gentoo, Debian and a few others that I have tried for an afternoon or so) have had some other primary goal. I just want a very generic distro. P.S: If anyone with the resources wants to start up such a distro I'm willing to help.
Re: Is there such a distro?
On Sat, 29 May 2010 13:44:11 you wrote: On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 13:02 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: I just want a very generic distro. Whay do you mean? I'd've called most of those you mentioned 'generic', as opposed to - say - myth, voyage, etc. A distro aiming at as few surprises as possible. Most of what I have mentioned are relatively generic but all have some surprises. Fedora has become particularly annoying to upgrade and Ubuntu tries to prevent serious tinkering etc, etc. Are you after minimal, like a vanilla debian net install? No, full desktop from a disk.
Re: Twisted Hop Evening
On Mon, 17 May 2010 13:03:35 you wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-17 at 12:47 +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote: On 17 May 2010 12:32, Solor Vox solor...@gmail.com wrote: Are you going to have a tux on the table? =) He and I have had a wee conversation. Initially. he stated that he is feeling very shy and frightened of being exposed to public view, yet again, in a alcolhol fuelled environment. I told him to stop be so darned silly. He has therefore, very reluctantly, agreed to do his duty as a mascot. So, Yes, Tux will be on view - initially anyway, but I have compromised with him, and he will be allowed to retire to my pocket as the evening progresses. That's pretty wimpy behaviour from an ex IBM stress-Tux... *Mumbles something about Ubuntu* signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
FAQ List. (Was laptop recommendations pls)
On Tue, 04 May 2010 11:34:04 you wrote: Hi all, A change of employment leads me into the laptop market, with gnu/linux compatibility Okay, I think someone needs to start making an FAQ list for the CLUG. I'm willing to spend some time on it if someone more experienced is willing to help.
Re: FAQ List. (Was laptop recommendations pls)
On Tue, 04 May 2010 12:36:35 Steve Holdoway wrote: On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 12:12 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: On Tue, 04 May 2010 11:34:04 you wrote: Hi all, A change of employment leads me into the laptop market, with gnu/linux compatibility Okay, I think someone needs to start making an FAQ list for the CLUG. I'm willing to spend some time on it if someone more experienced is willing to help. We used to run a wiki, but that sort of died. Maybe now that there are no longer regular meetings it maay be of more use. Happy to host it if there's enough interest. What I was actually thinking of was the sort of FAQ seen on some USENET groups. A message periodically sent out on the list so that people are immediately reminded to read it. I'll be happy to help with such a wiki though... Actually A message sent out when there have been major changes to the wiki would be useful I guess. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: 2 hard drives - filesystem question?
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 14:47:57 Bryce Stenberg wrote: Hi, Sorry, I don't seem to be able to grok the linux filesystem properly. I have two hard drives on this server. Everything except /home is on the first drive. /home is on the second drive, as configured during the install. (so now the bit I don't get): I also want /var on the second drive. I want /var and /home to be on the same partition on the second drive. How do I go about that? I get confused as /home is currently the mount point for that whole partition, so how do I add /var in at that level also? In windows I'd just add or move the directories on to the second drive, not sure what to do in linux. How desperately do you want this done? The whole partitioning scheme is designed on the assumption that no one is going to try something like this.
Re: horse and webshell
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:25:50 C. Falconer wrote: Hi all - with respect to horse, how many of the current users make use of the webshell running on port 443? That webshell looks really cool! What do people use it for? -- Quote of the login: Real Programmers don't eat quiche. They eat Twinkies and Szechwan food.
Re: horse and webshell
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:53:34 Craig Falconer wrote: Ryan McCoskrie wrote, On 23/03/10 10:42: On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 08:25:50 C. Falconer wrote: Hi all - with respect to horse, how many of the current users make use of the webshell running on port 443? That webshell looks really cool! What do people use it for? Accessing horse from sites that only allow http/https access out. I mean what is this whole horse thing? -- Quote of the login: Real Programmers don't eat quiche. They eat Twinkies and Szechwan food.
Re: OT: Free external 56k modem
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:38:28 Jeff Mitchell wrote: I've also got a couple of recent Linux books if anyone wants to buy them. What are they and what price?
For Sale: Intel based iMac
After my ancient PPC box died, last month, in a power surge, the insurance company gave me an Intel Mac[1] as a replacement. This machine holds no technological interest to me so I thought I'd sell it. Brand new, never been out of the box. For sale at $1700.00. Also, I'm looking for a non x86 machine (any age) that can chuck Linux / BSD on. [1] http://www.noelleeming.co.nz/computers/desktop-computers/apple-desktop- computers/apple-appmb950x-a-imac-21-5-3-06ghz-2x2gb-500gb- superdrive/prod101119.html
Re: Filesystem and replacing .. The final word??
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 10:19:45 pm you wrote: Peter Glassenbury (CSSE) wrote: (vi works all the time :-) ) That is one of vi's biggest advantages over Emacs, but then Emacs can act as much more than just a text editor. I still want to learn how to use vi efficiently. ...some day. :-) --Aidan Gauland If you have the spare time go to the command line and type vimtutor
Re: cable testing?
On Tuesday 02 March 2010 09:49:26 pm Nick Rout wrote: I have run a couple of cat5e cables and I am trying to terminate them, unsuccessfully at present. ... What is your terminating process like? I've done a little for my Dad and it's dead easy (about half of a room at Lincoln High). Has anyone shown you how to do it in person? Are you using good parts?
Re: cable testing?
On Thursday 04 March 2010 02:28:11 pm you wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 02 March 2010 09:49:26 pm Nick Rout wrote: I have run a couple of cat5e cables and I am trying to terminate them, unsuccessfully at present. ... What is your terminating process like? I've done a little for my Dad and it's dead easy (about half of a room at Lincoln High). Has anyone shown you how to do it in person? Are you using good parts? Thanks for all the replies. I am running single cored cat5e and terminating with RJ45 plugs supplied by DSE with a crimp tool also supplied by DSE, (similar to the T2923 in their current stock.) I have used the same cable, plugs and tool before and got good results. Dad (who has been doing this as a living since I was born) says to talk to Shane at Rexel.
Re: OT: Dreaming of O'Reilly manuals
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 19:15:45 Olwen Williams wrote: On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:40:03 Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote: I had a dream on Sunday that I found the O'Reilly In A Nutshell manual on child raising written by Linus and Tove Torvalds. I was strangely disappointed when I woke up. Has anyone got thoughts on this odd event? Yes I'd like to know what the cover picture is? Perhaps this would be appropriate? http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/parenting- 520 x416.jpg Like most O'Reilly covers it was white and pink with a picture of some animals. Possibly stalks. Stalks?? Surely you mean Storks I'm a phonetic speller. Usually I can tell which spelling style to use by the context and the origin of the word but that was a tough one. Next time I'll tell my self not like grass. -- Quote of the login: Either I'm dead or my watch has stopped. -- Groucho Marx's last words signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: OT: Dreaming of O'Reilly manuals
On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:40:03 Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:56 PM, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote: I had a dream on Sunday that I found the O'Reilly In A Nutshell manual on child raising written by Linus and Tove Torvalds. I was strangely disappointed when I woke up. Has anyone got thoughts on this odd event? Yes I'd like to know what the cover picture is? Perhaps this would be appropriate? http://www.icanhasmotivation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/parenting-520 x416.jpg Like most O'Reilly covers it was white and pink with a picture of some animals. Possibly stalks. -- Quote of the login: My reason tells me that land cannot be sold - nothing can be sold but such things as can be carried away. Black Hawk, (Saulk) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Filesystem and replacing the window manager
If you don't want any of the gnome environment, then you may be able to select failsafe with xterm or similar. This will drop you into a plain xterm where you can run your WM of choice. I'd recommend putting a copy in your home folder since your usb drive won't work nicely without gnome/dbus/etc. Cheers, sV On 17 February 2010 07:48, Aidan Gauland aidal...@no8wireless.co.nz wrote: Solor Vox wrote: The problem is (gnome|kde)-session is the parent that spawns all sub-processes, including metacity/compiz/etc WM that you want to replace. Furthermore, the login manager, usualy gdm, spawns the session inside an xinit process. So you'll most likely end of up killing your X server and everything else after login. What you can do is use --replace to gracefuly replace the WM instead of killing the session. If your window manager supports that it of course, but many do. With which program do I use --replace? On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:36:45 Solor Vox wrote: Your WM of choice. So it would be something like compiz --replace , metacity --replace , twm --replace , etc. Adding the to run in the background. Be aware if you close the shell it will kill the WM. To prevent this you should run disown %1 after running your WM command. That way the shell doesn't kill your WM when if close the terminal window. Check the WM's manual for the --replace option first however. If you're trying to run blackbox for instance, the above won't work. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
OT: Dreaming of O'Reilly manuals
I had a dream on Sunday that I found the O'Reilly In A Nutshell manual on child raising written by Linus and Tove Torvalds. I was strangely disappointed when I woke up. Has anyone got thoughts on this odd event? -- Quote of the login: The C Programming Language -- A language which combines the flexibility of assembly language with the power of assembly language. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Amarok
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:01:49 Nick Rout wrote: On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:50 PM, Christopher Sawtell csawt...@gmail.com wrote: Greets to CLUGgers Does anybody know why Amarok requires a login? It's an ordinary app, just a sound player for goodness sake. If anybody knows how to disable the need for a login I'd be very grateful to hear the secret incantation. What do you mean 'requires a login'? Do you mean the programme itself asks you for a username/password? Or do you mean it requires someone to be logged into X to run? Neither. Very recent versions of Amarok by default try to log the user into the last.fm service when the program starts. -- Quote of the login: Perhaps the biggest disappointments were the ones you expected anyway. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: This years format.
On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 10:11:47 Derek Smithies wrote: On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Christopher Sawtell wrote: What about settling on the 17 of the month. That's Wednesday next week to start it off. Sigh - - a group of geeks can surely come up with a better number than 17. My first thought was for the 42nd of the month, but it is a bit large. The 24 would work though. 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 all fit nicely onto the topic. Shame that we can't use 0. -- Quote of the login: Writing software is more fun than working. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Joke of the day
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:32:21 Nick Rout wrote: OK we had tip of the day, now joke of the day: Ubuntu is an ancient African word, meaning can't configure Debian No it means Slackware is to hard for me. Everyone knows that. -- Quote of the login: Real Programmers think better when playing Adventure or Rogue.
Re: This years format.
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:49:41 Christopher Sawtell wrote: Many Linux user groups have mogrified into geek oriented social clubs which meet informally in licensed premises. Christopher's suggestion is that we follow that horde. Would it be possible to go in the other direction and do workshops on particular things that can be done? For instance, Programming one night, administration another and something else the next. One LUG with which he had a very brief contact had their meeting on the same day of the month by date. This means that the day in the week changes continually, thus avoiding continuous clashes with other activities. That sounds like a good idea. -- Quote of the login: Real Programmers think better when playing Adventure or Rogue. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
OT: Is anyone else sick of gamers?
I know that this is a very OT but is anyone else sick the assumption that all computer enthusiast are and _only_ are gamers? I'm an amateur software engineer, I dabble in 3D imaging, I just passed the LPIC 101 and people ask me for my informed opinion on computer games. If I'm really, really bored, the kind of bored that you only are when sick I'll play SuperTux. That's about it for me. Do I only get this because I'm under twenty or does it go for everyone here? -- Quote of the login: At the source of every error which is blamed on the computer you will find at least two human errors, including the error of blaming it on the computer.
Re: Gnome or KDE
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 12:57:01 Tom Smith wrote: What's the difference between kde and gnome? is it purely cosmetic? Eye candy works better in kde? Is one less resource hungry? KDE aims to give as many configuration options as possible while the GNOME team are terrified of including anything that granny won't understand. That's the way I see it anyhow. -- Quote of the login: But what we need to know is, do people want nasally-insertable computers?
Re: Where have you seen linux today?
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:08:11 Nick Rout wrote: I went into specsavers the other day to get a copy of an invoice for my insurance company. Sat down at computer with assistant and she went through several screens, it soon became apparent that she was not using windows. Invoice info etc was all via a browser (firefox) and invoice came up in openoffice writer so she could print it. While she was off at the printer I clicked an icon that said my computer or suchlike. The file system was definitely *nix, it had var opt and dev directories (I couldn't linger as the printer wasn't far away.) She knew nothing about what was underlying the software she used. It may have been any unix variant, but it was great to see something that wasn't windows! The digital photo frames I've seen in shops look like they have some recycled code from the KDE 3 screen saver package. -- Quote of the login: If you fool around with something long enough, it will eventually break.
Re: Completely Offtopic: Any recommendations for computer technicians in Rangiora?
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 Robert Fisher rob...@fisher.net.nz wrote: I totally agree - which is why I closed my business. People seem happy to pay for a plumber or an electrician but they hate seeing a computer fixer do his work on the keyboard - they think that they should be able to do that and why should they pay good money for an expert. I blame gamers. Their the people best known for enjoying computers but when you get down to it gamers are to real experts as boy racers are to serious auto engineers. No offence to any mild fans of gaming. I play occasionally plays games when I'm not programming, but I see computers as tools, not toys. -- Quote of the login: Bus error -- driver executed.
Re: Completely Offtopic: Any recommendations for computer technicians in Rangiora?
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 Brett Davidson br...@net24.co.nz wrote: My Aunt lives out there and I'm a little too busy to fix her Windows machine at present. The guys in the I, PC shop are quite good in my experience. -- Quote of the login: Bus error -- driver executed.
Re: firewall computer to give away
On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:29:37 you wrote: Is this any use to someone: K6-233, 64M RAM, 2.4GB hard disk, 3 network cards (1 of them ISA). Used to run pfsense, functional when turned off some time ago, don't remember when - kept it as a spare. Free, pick up in Hoon Hay. Sounds tempting... Is bidding allowed? -- Quote of the login: Never trust an operating system.
Re: linux isos on Caledonian at St Albans
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:34:58 Wesley Parish wrote: Hi. In reply to Adrian's request for a list of the isos available on the Linux box in the St Albans community centre, here is the list of the files and directories. As you can see, in some areas it's definitely outdated. I've got the latest Ubuntu - I'll update the Ubuntu directory next week. Share and enjoy! Wesley Parish [snip massive file listing and quotations] Can somebody fill me in on what this is? -- Quote of the login: An elephant is a mouse with an operating system.
Re: Cross-bit compling
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:59:34 Aidan Gauland wrote: Hello, Short, yet not byanymeans simple question: What's the simplest way (on Debian, in particular) to compile, on an amd64 system, for i386 (that is, compling for 32-bit Linux on 64-bit Linux of the same architecture)? I've tried the -m 32 option to gcc, but that causes ld to freak out: /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `helpimtrappedinanemail.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output Oh, and I am trying to avoid just compiling on a full i386 Debian system in an i386 emulator. Thanks, Aidan Are you setting the archtitecture flag while compiling _as well as_ linking? -- Quote of the login: The cutting edge is getting rather dull. -- Andy Purshottam
Re: Cross-bit compling
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:00:55 Aidan Gauland wrote: Ryan McCoskrie wrote: Are you setting the archtitecture flag while compiling _as well as_ linking? Ah, yes, that would be helpful, wouldn't it? Now that I *really* have that option set for the gcc, and not just ld, ld is complaining about incompatible Shared Object (extention so) files, which seems to fit what Volker said. I don't know much about binary execuatbles at this level, but why does it care about the .so files themselves? I thought they were only used at runtime and the header files were used for compilation. I only have a very vague knowledge of how this all works but ld edits the object code in the executable so that it can track down the the right .so files and (possibly even) know which parts of them are relevant. Seeing that they could have been built with a different system / compiler / version reading through the headers is not sufficient to make this work. -- Quote of the login: The cutting edge is getting rather dull. -- Andy Purshottam
Re: Security, to much of it.
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:00:11 Roger Searle wrote: seems almost silly to suggest, but just in case, here goes... http://www.clarkconnect.com/help/ ? and http://www.clarkconnect.com/help/pdf/CC-Quickstart.pdf ? The either the quick start guide is out of date or the installer has a bug. According to the .pdf I should be able to get everything to work in the firstboot program but that hasn't been installed in it. -- Quote of the login: Any given program will expand to fill available memory.
Tsunami moving from Samoa to NZ
This morning a magnitude 8.3 earthquake in Samoa caused a tsunami. A one meter wave has already hit the east cape in the North Island and is expected to hit Lyttelton at 11:55 am today. It is doubted that it will affect the South Island's east coast but be prepared for the possibility and stay off the beaches until the danger has passed. -- Quote of the login: To understand a program you must become both the machine and the program.
Re: Tsunami moving from Samoa to NZ
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:26:07 David Lowe wrote: ...and the link to Linux is... - if the North Island gets washed away, the damage to corporate NZ and therefore Microsoft's profitability will be such that FOSS will be all that survives... - the Tsunami warning system is served by Linux servers... - 'Tsunami' is an African word for 'Freedom'... - the local Dive Centre uses a linux-based point of sale system... I'm struggling here, but thanks anyway Ryan for the heads up ;-) I should have tagged it as OT. I just wanted to get the message out quickly to as many people as possible. -- Quote of the login: The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
Re: Tsunami moving from Samoa to NZ
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:29:03 Andrew Errington wrote: On Wed, September 30, 2009 08:26, David Lowe wrote: ...and the link to Linux is... - if the North Island gets washed away, the damage to corporate NZ and therefore Microsoft's profitability will be such that FOSS will be all that survives... - the Tsunami warning system is served by Linux servers... - 'Tsunami' is an African word for 'Freedom'... - the local Dive Centre uses a linux-based point of sale system... I'm struggling here, but thanks anyway Ryan for the heads up ;-) The warning for NZ has been lifted. Keep calm and carry on. And it has been reinstated. -- Quote of the login: The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
Security, to much of it.
I'm currently building a firewall box for my parents but I have run into the issue that it's security is actually far to tight. It's current rejecting all request on any port[1]. I've added the desktop computers on the network into its hosts.allow file, enabled sshd, told sshd to accept the PCs and it still rejects them Does anyone know how to deal with this? I'm using ClarkConnect on it which is a little strange in the way of configuration[2] but has all of the filtering options that my parents want. [1] Does ping use a port? I can get that to work. [2] /etc/hostname does nothing for a start. -- Quote of the login: The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra
The Open-PC project.
Has anybody else taken a look at the Open-PC project? They're trying to pull together a company to sell Linux PC's in the same manner as an open source project. I've been posting this and that on the forums hoping in the vain hope that the project gets of the ground but I suspect that it's doomed to failure. Everyone seems set on netbooks which are a dead end IMHO. www.open-pc.org -- Quote of the login: Different all twisty a of in maze are you, passages little.
Re: OT, Re: Good broadband provider in Christchurch
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:31:32 Roger Searle wrote: steve wrote: Which'll have nothing to do with the odd MP living over here, in which way is he/she odd? or is it just the usual given their occupation . . . I think what Steve meant here is that there are multiple MP's in his neighbourhood and the improvements in service are for them. -- Quote of the login: Arrakis teaches the attitude of the knife - chopping off what's incomplete and saying: Now it's complete because it's ended here. -- Muad'dib, Dune
Re: stop booting to gui?
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:35:07 Bryce Stenberg wrote: Hi, Can someone please give me a quick pointer to where I stop my machine booting to the gui? I installed Ubuntu server. Then also installed Ubuntu-desktop to get a gui when I want one. But now I can't find where to tell it not to use the gui until I type 'startx' or something along those lines. Being an older machine and setting it up as a server, I only want to use the gui when I don't know how to do something easily from the command line. Got to your terminal and type: sudo gedit /etc/inittab This should give you a blank editor window to work with Type into it: id:3:initdefault and then save If it is not blank find the line: id:5:initdefault and change the five to a three. The part about using the sudo command I'm not so sure about since I don't use Ubuntu much. If it doesn't work check the manual using: man sudo -- Quote of the login: Real Users never use the Help key.
Re: Good broadband provider in Christchurch
On Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:14:46 Robert Fisher wrote: Xtra (Telecom) used to be difficult, especially when they were supplying the connection for another ISP. I considered it anti competitive but got nowher when I complained to the Commerce Commission. Their call centre staff are trained to think that any software that's freely available is illegal. Linux included. -- Quote of the login: Profanity is the one language all programmers know best.
Ping
KMail has been giving me grief lately. Can somebody tell me if this has been received. -- Quote of the login: In any formula, constants (especially those obtained from handbooks) are to be treated as variables.
Re: Software Freedom Day 09
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 18:31:47 Andrew Errington wrote: On Thu, September 17, 2009 12:54, Rik Tindall wrote: Greetings, Software Freedom Day 2009 is this Saturday, 19 September. The international festival of free and open-source software (FOSS) is in its fifth year, and of celebration locally. Had to look after my little brother instead. Arr! Shiver me timbers! That tharr Software Freedom Day be clashin' wi' International Talk Like a Pirate Day[1]. Remember to give a hearty avast! as you hand out free Linux CDs! These guys are the ACDC of the High Sea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99a6DaheLqs -- Quote of the login: Murphy's Law is recursive. Washing your car to make it rain doesn't work.
Re: Perl Users?
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 06:22:13 Kent Fredric wrote: Hey, I'm bored. I'm guessing there's not a lot of people on the ML who this applies to, but I figured, Hey, if they're having a python *conference* here, maybe theres enough of us Perl users to get into our own thing like. ( I also note its sponsored by catalyst.net.nz, who seem to have /some/ Perl leanings, esp w/ wellington pm ) There's wellington and auckland .pm groups, but eh, they're on the other island. I've been toting a Little-Brittain esque I'm the only Perl user in my village line on the various IRC networks for a while now, and I figure it a good time to see if that claim is a valid one. http://search.cpan.org/~kentnl/ # This is me, and I'm kentnl on MAGnet/ irc.perl.org , and kent\n on freenode. Any of you out there I'd love to hear about so I can stop feeling like such an alien :) ( I seriously googled, and I came up bare handed, ) For the rest of you, especially of you programmingngy inclined, if you ain't checked out Perl yet, or even haven't doven into it recently, I humbly request you take a gander at - http://www.perl.org/books/beginning-perl/ # A free EBook/Set of PDFS - http://search.cpan.org/dist/Moose # The latest and greatest Object Oriented system for Perl - http://www.catalystframework.org/ # The Perl competition to Rails. - http://search.cpan.org/dist/MooseX-Declare # A much more powerful way to use Moose via creating new syntax for Perl in Perl. out/ [Resisting urge to make cheep shot about Little Britain having six jokes at most]. I learnt all of my basics in writing subroutines, modules and manual reading in perl. I have tried implementing an alternitive to make in perl before[1] as well some meta-programming tools that I doubt I'll ever need again. [1]Please don't ask to see it. It didn't work out well -- Quote of the login: Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds. -- J. Finnegan, USC.
Re: Ping
On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:16:16 Phill Coxon wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-19 at 19:51 +1200, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: KMail has been giving me grief lately. Can somebody tell me if this has been received. Pong. [Breaths a sigh of relief] I was wondering if the whole internet had kill filed me (not that I would blame them...) -- Quote of the login: Text processing has made it possible to right-justify any idea, even one which cannot be justified on any other grounds. -- J. Finnegan, USC.
Re: Motherboard will only boot from CD/DVD drive
On 23/08/2009, Ryan McCoskrie ryan.mccosk...@gmail.com wrote: Since this morning I have been unable to boot from either of my hard disks. When I attempt to the BIOS seems to crash. seems to crash... seems... It was GRUB going wrong after all. I've reinstalled it now and am now grinning with non-stop.
Re: Motherboard will only boot from CD/DVD drive
On 22/08/2009, Col c...@paradise.net.nz wrote: Ryan McCoskrie wrote: For the last couple of months I have had both a SATA disk and an IDE disk working. The two things that I did last night that were a little unusual are downloading a more recent kernel and using ktorrent. Aside from my boot partition on the SATA disk I'm using ext4. A while back my system stopped booting after a kernel upgrade ( at around 2.6.25ish ). I was also using a mixture of sata pata drives. It turned out that the new kernel would detect the drives in the opposite order ( ie: sda was now sdb ) while grub detected then as it always had. I did a work around by editing grub.conf and fstab to match. Now I only have sata drives. The problem is that it isn't getting as far as the boot loader. I have tried the suggested edit but it hasn't done anything.
Motherboard will only boot from CD/DVD drive
Since this morning I have been unable to boot from either of my hard disks. When I attempt to the BIOS seems to crash. Has anyone seen this before?
Re: Motherboard will only boot from CD/DVD drive
For the last couple of months I have had both a SATA disk and an IDE disk working. The two things that I did last night that were a little unusual are downloading a more recent kernel and using ktorrent. Aside from my boot partition on the SATA disk I'm using ext4. On 22/08/2009, chris che...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. The dvd/cd are on a separate ide motherboard header from the hard drives. This would suggest that there is a problem with the hard drives and or hard drive header which on modern boards is Sata not ide Cheers Chris T On Sat, 2009-08-22 at 18:33 -0400, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: Since this morning I have been unable to boot from either of my hard disks. When I attempt to the BIOS seems to crash. Has anyone seen this before?
Re: Motherboard will only boot from CD/DVD drive
2009/8/23 chris che...@gmail.com Can you test either header using another boot disk? that way you can eliminate mobo, and start looking into software Once I find out what you mean by header, yes. Hardware has never been my strong point.
Re: OT Press co hogging cpu usage
On Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:03:26 Jim Cheetham wrote: On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Barry Marchantbarr...@paradise.net.nz wrote: has anyone looked at the press co website today? I am having trouble with it hogging cpu usage, in excess of 95% at times, and being unable to scroll the site because the scrollbar is locked up. Last time i tried over 130 images were d/l. Mouse response when trying to change apps is also appauling. Often caused by poorly behaved flash apps, or sometimes multiple animated gifs. Consider running adblock or something similar ... [pretending to be on the verge of crying] What happend to HTML? It was such a great standard and it died in its prime.
Re: Motherboards that play nicely with Linux
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:38:20 Aidan Gauland wrote: Hello, Are there any motherboard manufacturers who usually make motherboards that work well with Linux, or any that Linux users should avoid? Also, should I just disregard notices like this one? Due to different Linux support condition provided by chipset vendors, please download Linux driver from chipset vendors' website or 3rd party website. Thanks, Aidan Embedded Intel video cards have open source drivers but I haven't the first hand experience to talk about them because they cost a packet. Avoid the nVidia equivalents like the plague they are.
Re: OT: Recommendations for Computer Repair Outlet
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:05:22 r...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: My Acer Aspire 1703 Desk-Note is playing up. It suddenly and instantly dies on an intermittent basis. It appears to occur more when under heavy processor load. Sometimes a little warning sign is given by the screen dimming for a fraction of a second beforehand. Unplugging the power lead and re-plugging allows me to restart - but the problem keeps coming back. I suspect a heat / dodgy connection problem. Can anyone recommend a good repair outlet in town. I have used Dove Electronics before but the last time they managed to lose (physically) my entire hard drive - so I'd prefer to try somewhere else. All suggestions welcome. Ta How close are you to Rangiora or Kaiapoi? The IPC places in those to towns are quite good in my limited experience.
Re: OT: Recommendations for Computer Repair Outlet
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:12:19 Cheetor wrote: Ryan McCoskrie wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:05:22 r...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: My Acer Aspire 1703 Desk-Note is playing up. It suddenly and instantly dies on an intermittent basis. It appears to occur more when under heavy processor load. Sometimes a little warning sign is given by the screen dimming for a fraction of a second beforehand. Unplugging the power lead and re-plugging allows me to restart - but the problem keeps coming back. I suspect a heat / dodgy connection problem. Can anyone recommend a good repair outlet in town. I have used Dove Electronics before but the last time they managed to lose (physically) my entire hard drive - so I'd prefer to try somewhere else. All suggestions welcome. Ta How close are you to Rangiora or Kaiapoi? The IPC places in those to towns are quite good in my limited experience. Hey man, The service agent for Acer in CHCH is Datacom (and they suck majorly) I have spent the last year or so working as a tech (and I'm Acer approved too), drop me your contact details and we'll go from there BTW just outa curiosity, does it have a nVidia 7 or 8 series graphics chip? ...?
Internet shortages
Does this sound familiar to anyone? Your router, network cards and ethernet cables are all in working order and all report that they are connected to each other and the internet but you can't actually access anything online? I've just reset the router and it's all working now but I'd like to know if anyone has had this problem recently (withen the last week) and knows what it is.
Grub crashes on boot.
Note: I've posted this on comp.os.linux.setup as well but things are a bit slow there. After making some edits to my partition scheme with the latest edition of GParted I've found that my machine can no longer boot. It gets as far as displaying the word GRUB but no further. I've tried reinstalling Grub with system-rescuecd but that isn't working either. If I type grub-install hd0,0 --root-directory=/mnt/hdb1 I get: /dev/hdb1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive Using grub-install hd0,0 --root-directory=/mnt/hdb1/boot instead is enough to make it probe BIOS drives properly but I get the error: The file /mnt/hdb1/boot/boot/grub/stage1 was not read correctly Does someone know how to fix such problems? Or at least point me towards some docs that I can use to figure this out?
Re: Linux Meetup Groups near Christchurch
On Sun, 24 May 2009 18:31:14 Paul Swafford wrote: Maybe if they re-open Georgie Pie Riccarton we can start the CLUG meetings there! I distinctly recall Volker being there. Though if its in a McDonald's I think I'll pass. Burger King is my bare minimum. And even that is pushing it. How about just bringing a plate each? -- Quote of the login: The bugs you have to avoid are the ones that give the user not only the inclination to get on a plane, but also the time. -- Kay Bostic
Re: OT: Introductions...
On Wed, 20 May 2009 17:43:41 yuri wrote: Ryan McCoskrie wrote: I hope this isn't to off topic but I thought that it would be a good idea to introduce my self and make some warnings about what I'm like. Welcome to the list. WARNING: One major thing to take into account when dealing with me is that I only really have use of the literal language parts of the brain. This can make things awkward if you use implied elements of language[1] or even worse if I try expressing any emotions. Personal question: Is the above warning due to aspergers? It's a common condition among tech-oriented people. Non-verbal Learning Disorder (NLD). It has a similar set of effects but (gladly) autism is not among them. I haven't heard of people with Asperger's syndrome having trouble coping with visual information and thinking of the 'big picture' to the same degree as myself. The difference between language processing and everything else in my own mind is large enough to make results on the IQ test meaningless. Put it this way, until I was tested I failed to realise that other people don't systematically convert the geometric problems (which shape doesn't belong) into word problems (which sentence doesn't belong). -- Quote of the login: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. -- Cartoon caption
OT: Introductions...
I hope this isn't to off topic but I thought that it would be a good idea to introduce my self and make some warnings about what I'm like. I suppose that I'm fairly close to the nerd stereotype. I've been watching Star Trek since age four (and can still remember some of those eps) and started coding a few years ago when I borrowed a copy of Red Hat 8 from the library in Rangiora a couple of years ago. Don't ask me about what I'm doing though, I'm to much of an autobogophobe (http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/B/bogotify.html) to be any good at it. I'm currently studying for LPI level 1. WARNING: One major thing to take into account when dealing with me is that I only really have use of the literal language parts of the brain. This can make things awkward if you use implied elements of language[1] or even worse if I try expressing any emotions. For future reference, if I ever flame any one or generally give the impression of being a homicidal maniac it probably means that I'm a little annoyed. Moving on, I have read the FAQ's but are there any things about the people here I should now? This will probably help quite a bit. [1] A surprisingly large chunk of what is meant by most people is only hinted at. The average listener fills in the gaps without consciously thinking about it. My white brain cells don't operate fast enough for me to fill in those blanks in under fifteen minutes. -- Quote of the login: On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. -- Cartoon caption
