Re: Zaurus price and avalibility
no, not at $850.US. I'll play with yours... (so to speak) I can point you to some reviews if you like. Basically they pretty much get rave reviews for the keyboard and screen - which is 640x480 On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:23:25 +1300 Craig Falconer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They look really cool, and have interesting specs > > But there is no way I'd buy an item like this without a play first of all... > I don't want to find in a month that I'm not using it. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 7:36 a.m. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Zaurus price and avalibility > > > www.dynamism.com sell the bigger clamshell zaurus (these things are > beautiful!) > > Not sure about the smaller ones like you want. > > On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 21:41, Brendan Greer wrote: > > Hi People > > > > I asked a while ago about linux PDAs and have thought about it for a > > while and have a couple of questions about the Sharp Zaurus SL5600. 1. > > Does anyone know where they are avalible(new) preferably in Aussie or > > America(i may have some family going over there for a few weeks) or > > here(but i have searched and havent found any thing) 2. How many $s NZ > > would one cost including a CF digital camera card(cause I am prepared > > to buy a Palm Zire71 for about $550 and its between those two) > > > > thanks if you can give me any help > > > > Brendan -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: National Bank Online Banking..
I assume this is some debian only problem, because I have never ever had a problem with konq and https On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:09:28 +1300 Andrew Errington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:05, Michael Pearce wrote: > > Ive never had any problems with National Banks online banking using the > > following browsers: > > > > Opera, Mozilla, Konqueror > > I am using Konqueror in Debian Woody with the 2.4 kernel (bf24 option at > setup time). There is a known problem with the configuration of Konqueror > in that https doesn't work. I am sure it can be fixed, but I just use > Mozilla if I need https, and I prefer to use Konqueror for the rest of the > time. > > Andy -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: gnome desktop problem
maybe (just guessing) the user needs to be in a certaingroup to do what you want to know? scan /etc/group and see if anything jumps out at you. I know it seems unlikely, but whenever one user can do something and another can't "groups" jumps into my mind. you could also try deleting .gnome-desktop (or renaming it) and let gnome rebuild it. On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:40:38 +1300 mjm159 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I have 2 ordinary users and root. The first user can add icons and change the > desktop just by right-clicking. The other user cannot. I have to assume that > I have the right packages installed for that reason. > > I tried copying the working user's .gnome-desktop directory to the other > user's home and then changing owner etc. Still nothing displays on the user's > desktop. > > I'm completely stumped and there's nothing on google to help me. > > thanks, > Michael. > > >= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = > >On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 19:56, mjm159 wrote: > >> A wee problem. gnome on Debian woody. I created a new user. When I > >> log into the user's desktop env I cannot add icons to the "desktop". > >> When I right click on the desktop I get no menu, absolutely nothing - > >> much like the results from googling this one. > >> > >> Any suggestions? > > 1. Check if it only that user has the problem, or all users. > > 2. Check you have all the packages installed, such as Nautilus :) > > 3. Check your packages again. Did you install the > > gnome-desktop-environment metapackage? > >-- > >Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/ > > --- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Message generated in webmail. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
apache2 setup to serve part of filesystem
I want /usr/portage/distfiles to appear as /distfiles/ on my web server (apache2) I have tried: 1. making a symlink /var/www/lcalhost/htdocs/distfiles to point to /usr/portage/distfiles 2. adding Alias /distfiles /usr/portage/distfiles to my apache config and restarting apache (after deleting the symlink) Both result in 403 "Forbidden You don't have permission to access /distfiles/ on this server." errors. where to from here? -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: apache2 setup to serve part of filesystem
I have it sorted now, changing the search strategy in google does wonders. Turns out adding an allow from clause to the apache config worked. thanks for all the replies. Nick. On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:34:47 +1300 Patrick Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Rout wrote: > > >I want /usr/portage/distfiles to appear as /distfiles/ on my web server > >(apache2) > > > >I have tried: > > > >1. making a symlink /var/www/lcalhost/htdocs/distfiles to point to > >/usr/portage/distfiles > > > >2. adding > > > >Alias /distfiles /usr/portage/distfiles > > > >to my apache config and restarting apache (after deleting the symlink) > > > >Both result in 403 "Forbidden > > > >You don't have permission to access /distfiles/ on this server." errors. > > > >where to from here? > > > > > Do you have the default file in the directory (this misleading message > is quite common in that case) > > Does the user id that Apache is running as have rights to the directory > > You can set the root of apache to /usr/portage/ which may still give the > message. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Linux friendly computer retailers
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:52, Patrick Dunford wrote: > Yuri de Groot wrote: > >BTW his PC is an Acer bought from DSE, the most linux > >friendly computer retailer in NZ. > > Already asked this and no replies, so I'll try to get the ball rolling a > little. I bought two Realtek NICs from DSE, because they are included > with drivers for Linux. As it happens, Debian comes with enough drivers > to run the cards, so I didn't have to compile the drivers that came with > them. In those cases the best thing about having the driver on a disk from DSE is that you know what driver to use. Often your distro will have a more up to date compiled driver, but at least you know what to look for :-) > > Also there is the laptop without an OS. Do they also sell desktops > without OS? not at present I think. But they have plans to if the OS-less laptop sells ok. Shame the laptop is a little deficient, it may skew the results. > What other product range would qualify? Not sure what u are asking Patrick. > > Some of the stuff that they do sell is in a limited range. Ascent in > Wellington will sell you a complete system without an OS, they have a > wider product range with more choice of brands, and very competitive > pricing. DSE are pretty good on linux support. They activley support linux, source drivers, test them, adapt them till they work etc. They put together a lot of rebranded OEM stuff, so they get a chance to pick and choose, and to test. Chris Day from DSE is on the nzlug list, I suggested to him recently that they include the output of lspci for their systems on their webpage. He thought that sounded good and says he will implement it. In this way people can see exactly what chipsets and so on are in the boxes. Will Ascent provide a similar service?
Re: Linux Office Dream Setup
Most of the stats on server needs for a thin client situation refer to classroom situations etc, ie 20-30 clients. Nevertheless you will want a fair whack of RAM, scsi disks and a fast processor(s) to allow for future clients. I think with wireless bandwidth will be your enemy on a thin client setup. 10M thin clients work, but 100M is wwyyy better. 802.11b gear maxes at 11M so theres your first problem. Leter 802.11 gear (a&g IIRC) has faster throughput, but less linux support yet. Saw a wireless HP printer advertised the other day. Very cool idea. Your thin clients don't need to be much, but if you want real small and cool and quiet look at some of the epia gear. Small motherboards, fanless & quiet. http://www.mini-itx.com/ Gotchas will be legacy apps that only run on windows. Get your partner to think carefully about what apps he uses in a day, or a month, and check them all off against the linux system. Most can be worked around, but it pays to check. On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:37, Jason Greenwood wrote: > Ok guys, here's your chance. You tell me the very best way to do what I > want to do and we'll most likely do it! I am looking for hardware input > mainly as we are employing Paul William to help us deploy the eventual > software and solution. > > Want to run a 2 person office on Linux (with a view to adding 2-4 staff > later). Would like to run attractive, modern thin clients on the > desktop. Thin client ideas? They don't have to be ultra cheap (since we > could buy used lower spec'd desktops to do the job) but we are always > conscious of budget of course. We know what sort of sever specs we're > after but we also want to be as 'wireless' as possible, from Internet > access to printing to anything else we can make wireless! I HATE wiring. > =) It's so old school anyway... any wireless stories/deployments greatly > appreciated here. > > Flat panels of course are almost de'rigeur these days aren't they? Any > pitfalls/recommendations there? thinking 17in cuz it seems there is > little price benefit going smaller than that. LCD would be nice but > ouch, pricey. Are there slimline CRT's I don't know about or ALL those > super slim small form factor monitors LCD's? > > My business partner is sold on the idea of an exclusively Linux/OSS > office but as he comes from a doze background I want to make this as > painless as possible for him. Any gotcha's I should plan for? > > We'll of course be running a Linux firewall and file server and maybe > even an IMAP server for mail anywhere since my hosting company has caps > on IMAP storage AFAIK. > > I look forward to hearing from you all. I want to be a shining example > of what a small Linux based office CAN be. The key here is style I > guess. The gear needs to look nice as there will be business associates > coming to the office and they WILL be basing part of their opinion of us > on the gear we run. > > Cheers all, > > Jason
Re: Linux Office Dream Setup
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:27:00 +1300 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > and maybe even an IMAP server for mail anywhere since my hosting > > company has caps on IMAP storage AFAIK. > Squirrel mail looks nice. squirrelmail is not an imap server, it is a web based mua for accessing imap and smtp services. it is a very nice and easy to work with implemetation. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Mozilla playing Windows Media Player videos
mplayer-plugin On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:50:26 +1300 Robert Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What do you recommend to enable me to open Windows Media Player files, such as > those on the Xtra home page, in Mozilla? > > Kaffeine? > > -- > Robert Fisher > www.fisher.net.nz > > Q:What's the difference between USL and the Titanic? > A:The Titanic had a band. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Mozilla playing Windows Media Player videos
rtfm i think in other words i am at the office working on this beautiful day and don't have time to remember how i did it! On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:44:38 +1300 Robert Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > grunter root # emerge -s mplayerplug-in > Searching... > [ Results for search key : mplayerplug-in ] > [ Applications found : 1 ] > > * net-www/mplayerplug-in > Latest version available: 0.91 > Latest version installed: 0.91 > Size of downloaded files: 44 kB > Homepage:http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/ > Description: mplayer plug-in for Mozilla > License: GPL-2 > > OK I had already installed this but how do I get it working? (Another blind > moment I suspect) > > > -- > Robert Fisher > www.fisher.net.nz > > BOFH Excuse #208: > > Your mail is being routed through Germany ... and they're censoring us. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: OT - laptop advice
I have heard Acer's have reasonable linux capability, and there are some around the $2k mark (but they may only have 256M RAM at that price. The latest NZ PC World has a comparison of under $2.5k laptops. good sites for compatibilty reports is http://www.linux-laptop.net and http://www.tuxmobil.org . On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:48, anton wrote: > Hi, > As we are shortly going overseas we want to get a laptop. I have > searched around for a bit now and have found some places that look like > they might not be so bad. We want to spend under $2000, and the only > real stipulation is that the processor is over 2k and there is 512meg of > RAM. I am never going to have a machine with less than 512 again! Any > help or advice here would be greatly appreciated. > > I have heard plenty about making sure that linux will run on these > things before buying. Is that still necessary with the latest ones? If I > find mention of someone installing on the same model on the 'net, should > I trust it? (seeing as there are two 'net places I'm looking at buying > from)? > What are the things that just MUST be on the thing? In terms of slots > and what have you...? Showing my knowledge here... Do all modern laptops > have PCMCIA slots? Is that why they aren't mentioned on most ads? > > Anything else? > > A little closer to home here, for those who might know - ITS canterbury > uni have laptops with the above specs for around $1900, and they appear > to be OSless (or with some campus agreement M$ deal). There seems to be > something about CTA mentioned there - does that mean that only CTA > students/staff (which I am) can get them? How do they stack up in terms > of slots/compatibility? Anyone don't a linux install on one? I would > prefer to give Canty money if I could! > > Thanks for any suggestions > Anton
Re: Yast going GPL
Bandwidth smandwitch. 8 iso's would take you more than all night. therefore the ftp way seems better & quicker. On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:57:27 +1200 David Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you have bandwidth, then use the FTP install method. You get a full > distro of SUSE installed on your box that way. It does take all night > though, last time I tried it. A local Rsync and FTP from that would fix the > install time issue. > The only ISO's for suse I ever saw was on a bit torrent site like > supernova, and I know it was not supposed to be there. > Ciao, Dave > > -Original Message- > From: anton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 9:06 a.m. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Yast going GPL > > Christopher Sawtell wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:30, anton wrote: > > > >>Philip Charles wrote: > >> > >>>On Mon, 22 Mar 2004, anton wrote: > >>> > >>>>ftp://mirror.pacific.net.au/linux/suse/ > >>>> > >>>>in case you are lazy > >>>>Anton > >>> > >>>But not the iso's. > >>> > >> > >>what about mkiso or whatever it is called? Is that no good? Or am I > >>inventing it? > >>Anton > > > > > > AFAIAA, i.e. as of about 6 months ago, the installer files on the original > CD > > are not on the ftp sites. > > > > So unless you have a lot of experience and almost unlimited time to footle > > > around to re-create these installer files, it's a more or less pointless > > exercise to attempt to make the SuSe disks. > > > Point taken... > Cheers > Anton > > -=-=- > ... The Celts invented two things, Whiskey and self-destruction. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: (Flame Bait) Qmail or Postfix?
postfix because i am familiar with it. also djb (author of qmail) is unpopular and reputedly difficult and inflexible (more flamebait). webclient - squirrelmail you wil need an imap server to go under squirrel, I am using courier-imap. On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:48:07 +1200 (NZST) Mahesh De Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Whats are people thoughts? > > I want to setup a e-mail server for > www.xsolutions.co.nz/rwc/ initally it will be for > internal e-mail, via webclient(not sure which either!) > then external, with spam filtering. > > I am running Gentoo 1.4 > > > > > Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. > http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: (Flame Bait) Qmail or Postfix?
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:09:34 +1200 Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 09:57, Nick Rout wrote: > > also djb (author of qmail) is unpopular > > and reputedly difficult and inflexible (more flamebait). > > I'd go further - seeing as djb won't respond to mere mortals (it's > doubtful he even sees their emails) it's the community that makes up the > qmail mailing lists that now take up the mantle of being difficult and > inflexible. Knowledgable, yes, but inflexible. If you didn't compile > qmail from source and install it in exactly the directories they specify > (regardless of your systems current standards), and didn't type in > exactly the commands they say (provided with no explanation or > indication of side-effects), and haven't already read the whole archive > of the mailing list for similar questions, and haven't read every single > man page ever produced for qmail and associated programs (even the ones > that don't have man pages), if you're not using DJB's dns server, > process controller, logger and arse-licker, then you will not get > support from the most knowledgable people on the list. You'll get > flames. > > Oh, and don't (top-post your questions,thread-hijack,or use HTML) more > than once, or you'll get ignored (Actually, I might agree with that > bit). > > -jim, wishing that the presence of qmail on systems he has to look after > were optional. yes well i was aware of most of that stuff, but trying (for once) to be non judgmental :-) I was once threatened with being sued by that twit who started smoothwall, for months afterwards I got people from all corners of the globe asking me for legal advice on what to do about similar threats from the same guy. (I try and keep my lawyer .sig off the mailing lists now) -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: OT - laptop advice
On Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:10:14 +1200 (NZST) Roger Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I bought an Acer Travelmate (230 iirc, haven't got it with me today), which was > under $2k, last year before being at the stage of wanting linux compatibility. > Mandrake 9.2 and Knoppix both think the network card is there, but there is no > network communications happening. NOT a good thing... > > of course, your linux skills may be greater than mine (like most people here) > and your results may vary. but if you want something that almost works out of > the box, give this model a miss. odd, maybe i was misinformed about acer linux compatibility. the only entry for a 230 on the linux-laptops website just said the network "worked". of course what we have all forgotten to say is: 1. try it with a knoppix disk before you buy. make a list of things to check. (X, accelerated X, 3d acceleratedX, modem, network, acpi, pcmcia, IR, usb, wireless, there will be others. If some things don't work get their pci/usb id's and go on the net and research the hell out of those compnents. If the shop owner won't let you do this sort of thing before spending $2k then go elsewhere. 2. get an assurance in writing that you can take it back if it does not meet YOUR needs for a linux laptop. Howver IMHO testing and reseach should make this unneccessary. > > > > I have heard Acer's have reasonable linux capability, and there are some > > > > around the $2k mark (but they may only have 256M RAM at that price. > > > > > > The latest NZ PC World has a comparison of under $2.5k laptops. > > > > good sites for compatibilty reports is http://www.linux-laptop.net and > > http://www.tuxmobil.org . > > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 20:48, anton wrote: > > > Hi, > > > As we are shortly going overseas we want to get a laptop. I have > > > searched around for a bit now and have found some places that look > > like > > > they might not be so bad. We want to spend under $2000, and the only > > > real stipulation is that the processor is over 2k and there is 512meg > > of > > > RAM. I am never going to have a machine with less than 512 again! Any > > > help or advice here would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > I have heard plenty about making sure that linux will run on these > > > things before buying. Is that still necessary with the latest ones? If > > I > > > find mention of someone installing on the same model on the 'net, > > should > > > I trust it? (seeing as there are two 'net places I'm looking at > > buying > > > from)? > > > What are the things that just MUST be on the thing? In terms of slots > > > and what have you...? Showing my knowledge here... Do all modern > > laptops > > > have PCMCIA slots? Is that why they aren't mentioned on most ads? > > > > > > Anything else? > > > > > > A little closer to home here, for those who might know - ITS > > canterbury > > > uni have laptops with the above specs for around $1900, and they > > appear > > > to be OSless (or with some campus agreement M$ deal). There seems to > > be > > > something about CTA mentioned there - does that mean that only CTA > > > students/staff (which I am) can get them? How do they stack up in > > terms > > > of slots/compatibility? Anyone don't a linux install on one? I would > > > prefer to give Canty money if I could! > > > > > > Thanks for any suggestions > > > Anton > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Wanted: Advice on PDAs
someone showed me their newish palm the other day and some of its graffitti strokes were quite different to the original palm (first model) that i own. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:46:17 +1200 Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 18:37, Paul William wrote: > > > Unistrokes can take a while to get used to, but it is fairly fast. The > > > > but much slower than single stroke 'funny' letters :( > Unistrokes *is* the single-stroke "funny" letters. The original paper > was called "Touch Typing with a Pen" IIRC, and was written by them fine > folks at Xerox PARC. When Palm (US Robotics?) introduced Graffiti they > got sued by Xerox. They have since come to an arrangement that I cannot > recall off the top of my head... > > The down side to Unistrokes is that you do have to learn a new > character-set (albeit related to standard Roman characters). However, > the characters are fast to write, and the processing power needed to > recognise the characters is far less than with true hand-writing > recognition. > -- > Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/ -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
no go for it, is this to be a demo of an installation, or a running system? If the latter then I guess it will focus on stuff that is peculiar to SuSE, as we have obviously all seen a running linux distro before Having said that there is plenty to show off on a running SuSE distro, the setup and installation tools are very good. Well worth a look. I am looking forward to this :-) Someone asked why the iso's are not put up on the net "unofficially", ie by happy SuSErs who want to share. The point is you either have to copy each cd to an iso, or build your own iso system from an ftp archive. Would you trust someone else to do this when there are probably no published md5sums for home made iso's?? Far easier to get a friend to burn a straight copy disc to disc. sneakernet still has its uses, 8 cd iso's or 2 dvd's is a big download. I might try an ftp install for fun at home. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:49:32 +1200 InfoHelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks Volker, no problem. > > We'd be glad to hear you speak whenever it suits you. > > Those of us who've never seen Suse running would be quite happy with an > 8.2 demo, as it's your insight into Suse's ongoing innovations that we > are most interested in. That said, once some hardware & a projector are > in booked in, you need not worry about lots of preparation for us. It > will be fascinating subject-matter regardless. > > (Please pardon any presumption in those statements CLUG :-) > > Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > >Not before 14 Apr or after 7 May, hard limits, sorry (late Jun ok > >again). The 9.1 I would expect to be on the shelves by early May, > >otherwise I could only demo 8.2 as I never installed 9.0 (no time). The > >8.2 would be 12 months out of date. > > > >Volker > > > We also have these dates to choose from at present: > > Thurs 15 April, Thurs 6 May, Tues 29 & Weds 30 June. > > Hope there is something to suit you. > > In anticipation, > > ~/newbie/rik > > -- > InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8 > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: OT - laptop advice
Its biggest deficiencies are battery life, and the lack of pcmcia. The latter cuts you off from most of the better priced lappie peripherals like wireless etc. also doing these peripherals via a usb is, IMHO, a recipe for disaster. pcmcia is neatly almost entirely inside the case. usb dongles off the back and is likely to get bumped, possibly damaging your motherboard. and some usb peripheral hanging off the back of ya lappie is just a PITA! Again, IMHO, one of those acers even with ms tax, is better value for money. If you have no more than $1500, you could probably pick up something worthwhile from trademe. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:20:55 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- Forwarded Message -- > > Subject: Re: OT - laptop advice > Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:03 > From: Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 07:34, Vik Olliver wrote: > > On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 13:39, Nick Rout wrote: > > > odd, maybe i was misinformed about acer linux compatibility. the only > > > entry for a 230 on the linux-laptops website just said the network > > > "worked". > > > > Isn't the $1,600 OS-free Dick Smith laptop an Acer? > > It's actually NZ$1499 incl GST and appears to be an ECS A531. DSE claim that > everything except 3D video accelleration works under Linux. It looks like a > pretty good buy to me. More than anything I suppose it all depends if you > fancy a Transmeta CPU or not. > > http://www.dse.co.nz/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/4060ad3b0a39cc082740c0a87f9906c1/ > Product/View/XC3394 > > PriceSpy:- http://www.pricespy.co.nz/pno_3444.html > Says that Ascent Technology has them at $1431.79 > > -- > Sincerely etc. > Christopher Sawtell > > NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, > it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. > Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks. > > --- > > -- > Sincerely etc. > Christopher Sawtell > > NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, > it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. > Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: OT - laptop advice
yes those have scored really well in a couple of tests i have seen published. theres an ibook 12 or something like that, with a 12 inch screen i believe. (most of the x86 lappies you buy these days have 14-15 inches). it featured in the under $2.5k pcworld feature this/last month. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:52:16 +1200 Hamish McBrearty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If long battery life (up to 6 hours!!) and bells and whistles is what > you're after I could suggest an Apple iBook. If you know a secondary > school teacher you can get the basic G4 model for $2150. They are lovely > to look at, have everything you need bar wireless (an Airport card is > worth about $150) and the ppc linux distros run very well due to the very > narrow range of Apple hardware. Plus Mac OS X is based on BSD so there's > quite a bit of OSS available, eg Safari which uses the KHTML engine. > > Just a thought from someone with 6 of these puppies on his desk :o) > > - > Hamish McBrearty MCSE MCSA > Network Engineer > Rangi Ruru Girls' School > 59 Hewitts Road > Christchurch > NEW ZEALAND > Ph 03 355-6099 > Fax 03 355-6027 > CELL 021 999770 > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: The reason they called it OPEN Office
This has been referred to in a number of articles i have read online and in magazines lately. A couple of LJ's ago there was an article on manipulating the xml files in ruby, eg searching for styles in the text etc. You don't need to change the format to .zip. just unzip file.sxw works. In winders you can drop the file on winzip and get the same effect. good stuff isn't it? On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:53:31 +1200 Jaco Swart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Somewhere, I heard that sxw-files (OpenOffice equevalent of Word's > doc-files) contains standard xml files. To put this to the test, I tried > a little experiment, which you can try out if you have OpenOffice installed. > > 1. Create a new OpenOffice text document. > 2. Paste 'n graphic from the clipboard, and import a jpg file, a gif > file and a Photoshop psd file. Add some text. > 3. Save the file, eg "test.sxw". Then, using your favourite file > manager, rename the file to "test.zip". > 4. Use your favourite archiver to unzip the test.zip file into a > sub-folder. Then have a look at the content! > > Yes, a sxw file is simply a zip file containing a few xml files. For > instance, content.xml contains the text and references to the graphics, > and styles.xml contains what you would expect: style definitions. There > is also a folder called "Pictures", that contains all the graphics and > here is the real nice bit: the jpeg and gif files you imported into your > document are saved in their original state. No resampling or anything. > Images that were pasted from the clipboard and Photoshop images are > saves as png files, which is cool. Note that graphic files are not > compressed which can be a pro or a con, depending on how you look at it. > > How's that for open source open down to the file format! IMHO, > OpenOffice rocks. I mean, try this experiment with a M$ Word file, and > see where you get ;-) > > rgds > Jaco -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Yast going GPL - CLUG
6 may is a thursday and i just realised i cannot be there on that date. If thats an immovable date i won't rock the boat, but if it can be another day i'd like to make it. On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:03, InfoHelp wrote: > Zane Gilmore wrote: > >Errr.. > > > >According to my calculations 6th May is a Sunday...and approx 5 weeks > >away. > > > >Do you mean the 6th of April? (2 weeks away) > > No. > > Is that a 2004 calender you're viewing Zane?
Re: sendmail magic
alternatively another mta may have easier hooks to do this sort of thing. http://www.postfix.org/rewrite.html have not read it in full, I was merely attracted to its title (yes I only read the headlines in the newspaper too). I'll leave it to Vik to see if it meets his needs. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 10:06:41 +1200 Rex Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 10:07, Carl Cerecke wrote: > > Matthew Gregan wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2004 at 08:38:38PM +1200, Vik Olliver wrote: > > > > >>Is this magic too dark for mere mortals? Do I need a ring of some > > >>sort, or a glowing sword and paucity of footwear perhaps? > > > > > > > > > No, just the ability to read. > > > > My 6 year old can read. > > > > From my experience, editing a sendmail.cf file to do what you want (and > > nothing you don't want) is somewhat like going into battle with a grumpy > > balrog. > > Dont edit sendmail.cf, use the m4 macro system and edit sendmail.mc. > > Debian encapsules the macro with Makefiles. Just edit the sendmail.mc > to include the right FEATURES etc, the type > make sendmail.cf > /etc/init.d/sendmail restart > and you are away. > > It's preserved through apt-get upgrades too. > > No magic incantations neccessary. I still don't understand why people > shy away, just because a file they souldn't edit is not readily > comprehensible. > > Rex -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
1. you DEFINITELY need a fast internet connection to do this, so the sydenham hall is out (wireless? satellite?) 2. co-incidentally I just started working on another distcc boot-cd yesterday. will advise progress in due course. On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:08:21 +1200 "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree that Sydenham Hall would have more room for greater numbers but it > will cost us (a little) and it is good to have a decent link to the www. > > Regards, Robert > Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. > > -Original Message- > From: InfoHelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 3:01 p.m. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest > > That's why Sydenham was being suggested for numbers 6+ : shops, , > parking.. > > A poll of enthusiast numbers decides - add one for me. > > Robert Fisher wrote: > > >I may live to regret this but here goes > > > >If the numbers for another Gentoo Installfest are small (say 4 to 6 at the > most), and Nick or someone can set up an rsync server I would be prepared to > have it in our garage at home. > > > >I have a switch and a Jetstart connection and everything is at ground > level. (No offence David but your stairs are not very welcoming when > carrying computer equipment) Shopping centre is nearby for food. > > > >-- > >Robert Fisher > >www.fisher.net.nz > > > Regards > > ~/rik > > PS thanks Chris for this idea. > > -- > InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8 -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
Frankly roberts garage sounds good for this. we used my box as a server for distfiles and rsync last time and we can do that again. if Chris brings his box we can also rsync any otther distfiles from it. Should we wait for the 2004.2 release when there should be a whole swag of newly compiled up to date binary packages available? On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:48:06 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:53, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > > I can provide a couple of 2GHz P4 laptops for distcc > My son Caleb can bring an AthlonXP-2500+ > I can provide a p2 400 as well if needed, on which I could put about 2 GB of > distfiles of various vintages, in particular the latest current kde-base, and > similar ltsp. To say nothing of the current Portage tree. > > > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 3:52 p.m. > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest > > > > 1. you DEFINITELY need a fast internet connection to do this, so the > > sydenham hall is out (wireless? satellite?) > > > > 2. co-incidentally I just started working on another distcc boot-cd > > yesterday. will advise progress in due course. > > > > > > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 15:08:21 +1200 > > > > "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I agree that Sydenham Hall would have more room for greater numbers but > > > it will cost us (a little) and it is good to have a decent link to the > > > www. > > > > > > Regards, Robert > > > Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: InfoHelp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, 25 March 2004 3:01 p.m. > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > That's why Sydenham was being suggested for numbers 6+ : shops, , > > > parking.. > > > > > > A poll of enthusiast numbers decides - add one for me. > > > > > > Robert Fisher wrote: > > > >I may live to regret this but here goes > > > > > > > >If the numbers for another Gentoo Installfest are small (say 4 to 6 at > > > > the > > > > > most), and Nick or someone can set up an rsync server I would be prepared > > > > to > > > > > have it in our garage at home. > > > > > > >I have a switch and a Jetstart connection and everything is at ground > > > > > > level. (No offence David but your stairs are not very welcoming when > > > carrying computer equipment) Shopping centre is nearby for food. > > > > > > >-- > > > >Robert Fisher > > > >www.fisher.net.nz > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > ~/rik > > > > > > PS thanks Chris for this idea. > No problems, I'd like to help. Make a nice day out. > > -- > Sincerely etc. > Christopher Sawtell > > NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, > it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. > Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:51:21 +1200 Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Should we wait for the 2004.2 release when there should be a whole swag > of newly compiled up to date binary packages available? oops 2004.0 is the current release so 2004.1 wil be the next one. i used the binaries to get my new laptop up and running as quickly as possible, and then left it updating several nights in a row (its only a p 700). I am looking carefully at the gentoo catalyst package which generates stages and livecd's. The docos are a bit over my head, but I am going to have a play. Last time we had a big distcc compile farm and pointed al of the clients at all of the farm, ie a many to many relationship of clients --> servers. We actually needed to have dedicated distcc servers for each client, so only one client was banging on a server at once. Pity we didn't know that until about 4 pm! i think we can get the distcc server farm working this time! -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: usind dd to clone hard drive
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:16:23 +1200 Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2004-03-26 at 08:49, gjw49 wrote: > > Just out of interest, is there any reason why it shouldn't work going from a > > smaller hard disk to a larger hard disk? > I have no reason, but I would not do it none the less :) I would just > DD the disk to a file on the larger disk and mount the image through a > loopback device. (It'll save space.) yes but i think we wants to move the entire OS and data to the new drive permanently. > -- > Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/ -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Canterbury Linux Users Group
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:35:09 +1200 InfoHelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If there is no momentum for newbie support around these, then I will > sadly to let it go too. not sure what you are meaning? -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Canterbury Linux Users Group
Look we had some discussion at the beginning of the year as to what people wanted. there was no coherent body of opinion as to what was wanted. There was talk of an installfest in March, then April then May. However no-one has actually done anything. (BTW this is not the gentoo installfest being discussed in the last couple of days). This upcoming suse demo by volker is an example of doing something ad-hoc when the need or opportunity arises. To summarise last year, we booked meetings every month. we ran out of people who were prepared to speak at meetings. we ran out of people who wanted stuff fixed at fixit nights. Its pretty tough going organising meetings against those sort of odds. I have personally spoken to at least three meetings (once on email, once on midnight commander, once on gentoo), helped organise the meetings where Martin Baehr and the etherboot guy spoke (sorry forgotten his name momentarily), organised the movie night with revolution OS shown, organised dinner at the 2 fat Indians, spent hours developing a distcc-bootcd for the gentoo installfest last year, and lots of other stuff besides. I don't want a medal, its just that its disappointing when we run out of speakers, and run out of people who want to turn up to workshops. There are plenty of people out there who do lots, probably more than me. If people are upset at the lack of meetings they should get off their ass and organise it. like Rik is. Good on you Rik. (Robert this email isn't aimed at you, I just happened to reply at your point in the thread)
Re: Gentoo Installfest
OK so is that two who want an install or two who have machines to offer for compiling help? It may be a little OTT to set up something for two installs. So who wants to install gentoo. I do recommend it! And there is a lot of experience in it on the list now. lets hope it doesn't snow this time! Rob's garage may get a leeetle chilly! Nick (wearing my gentoo sweatshirt which arrived from the US yesterday, its a nicer colour than yours Brad :-P ) On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:47:58 +1200 InfoHelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > True, > > redundant iteration. > > apologies: > > 1 = 1 >
Re: Gentoo Installfest
Yeah exactly what i did with the lappie last week, give it the binaries to get it workable, then compile the updates at your leisure. true you could spend a long session on the workings of emerge etcat qpkg etc etc. Probably a good idea. to do it just as you suggest. anyway we need some numbers to make it worthwhile. i am off to lunch and will expect 20 registrations by 2 pm :-) On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:58:56 +1200 Brad Beveridge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, just remember from whom you got the idea to get that shirt! > As to the GenInstall, my thoughts would be that punters would be best > getting a GRP install done, with KDE, X, etc going. Then a session on > using emerge to maintain your distro. The settings are the hard part to > get right & that is what time should be spent on, not waiting for > compiles. Not matter how big a compile farm you have, compiling still > takes a long, long time - and it can be done off line later without the > support of others. > > Brad > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:55 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > OK so is that two who want an install or two who have > > machines to offer > > for compiling help? > > > > It may be a little OTT to set up something for two installs. > > > > So who wants to install gentoo. I do recommend it! And there > > is a lot of > > experience in it on the list now. > > > > lets hope it doesn't snow this time! Rob's garage may get a leeetle > > chilly! > > > > Nick (wearing my gentoo sweatshirt which arrived from the US > > yesterday, > > its a nicer colour than yours Brad :-P ) > > > > On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:47:58 +1200 > > InfoHelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > True, > > > > > > redundant iteration. > > > > > > apologies: > > > > > > 1 = 1 > > > > > > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Canterbury Linux Users Group
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 12:51, InfoHelp wrote: > The split-format meetings GUI/CLI around a tea-break catered best to all > parties, it seemed. > A big ask, but all seemed satisfied with those. > Actually I don't think that the gui/cli spit is the same as the old hand/newbie split. the cli is not hard. text based configuration files are often very well documented with a ratio of comments to lines that actually do the work at 90-95%. IE for every line that does something there are often 9-9.5 lines of comments. working out how to configure the same service via a gui can be harder. sometimes it is the other way round, the guis are well documented and the cli is sparse at best. But what we shouldn't assume is that a gui method is easier for newbies and that the cli is only for the experienced or the geeks. Someon famously once said that X is just a method for squeezing more consoles on the screen via xterm :-) june is fine for me at this stage BTW.
Re: Canterbury Linux Users Group
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:22, Steve Holdoway wrote: > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:13:13 +1200, you wrote: > >On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:50, Steve Holdoway wrote: > >> The way I look at is that if you really want to know how Linux works > >> and to use it to your advantage, then you should do everything once > >> the hard way. Then you actually get an idea of what's happening. > > > >Are you, per chance, suggesting a Linux From Scratch InstallFest? > > > >http://www.au.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/news.html > > > >Now that's a real learning experience! > > I've done it... but, like I said, just the once (: > > However, I do get very frustrated by the dependencies generated by rpm > and the like. I find that building from tar sources safer... at least > you know what's running on your server, which is vital in a production > environment. coupled with a good package management system that works very well. I don't know how keen I would be on an entirely source based system without the packaging system in gentoo! > > Otherwise, linux can get as bloated as any M$ product. > > Steve
Re: Canterbury Linux Users Group
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:46, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > My question was actually half serious. Having actually done it, do you > think that a 'Linux from Scratch' evening, or Saturday activity, could be a > worth-while event for the CLUG to put on? errr perhaps a little bit of a double up on gentoo? and watching a box compiling is a bit like paint drying really.
Re: Canterbury Linux Users Group
On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:47, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:12, Nick Rout wrote: > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:22, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 17:13:13 +1200, you wrote: > > > >On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 16:50, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > > >> The way I look at is that if you really want to know how Linux works > > > >> and to use it to your advantage, then you should do everything once > > > >> the hard way. Then you actually get an idea of what's happening. > > > > > > > >Are you, per chance, suggesting a Linux From Scratch InstallFest? > > > > > > > >http://www.au.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/news.html > > > > > > > >Now that's a real learning experience! > > > > > > I've done it... but, like I said, just the once (: > > > > > > However, I do get very frustrated by the dependencies generated by rpm > > > and the like. I find that building from tar sources safer... at least > > > you know what's running on your server, which is vital in a production > > > environment. > > > > coupled with a good package management system that works very well. I > > don't know how keen I would be on an entirely source based system without > > the packaging system in gentoo! > > I'm not for one moment suggesting that people should chuck out Gentoo, far > from it, but I do think that installing LFS _once_ might be both an > interesting and a worthwhile exercise. To quote Steve "you actually get an > idea of what's happening". Its interesting to find a "distro" that contains no machine readable files. IE its just a book of instructions. I have never read much of the LFS book before, but it is making interesting reading, between Crusaders' tries :-) I just not sure how much I really need to know about gcc bootstrapping itself.
Re: flashcard reader
I think you should be looking at hotplug and specifying what actions are taken on plug/unplug On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:31:04 +1200 Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:38, Paul William wrote: > > works fine with usb 2 although I have not done any speed tests. I > > imagine the media I am using is slower than my usb 2 card. > > > > Volker Kuhlmann wrote: > > > Quick note to say that the 7-in-1 card reader from flashcards.co.nz > > > works like a charme (well, with CF, didn't test others). All hardware > > > should be like that: plug in, computer beeps, icon appears on desktop, > > > clicking icon shows all the files in the file manager. Right click icon, > > > unmount, unplug, finished. > > > > > > Geek info: > > > > > > Bus 001 Device 009: ID 05e3:0760 Genesys Logic, Inc. > > > > > > No other identifiable manufacturer or model names on packaging. > > > > > > The hotplug system creates an entry in /etc/fstab only if a card is in > > > the reader when it's plugged in (the entry is removed again too). > > > Without that entry there may be the odd problem with non-root > > > to mount/unmount. Of course one can just make the same entry in fstab > > > permanently. Suse 8.2. > > > > > > I'd have excpected 1MB/s reading and writing with a USB 1.1 interface > > > (the reader is 2.0, but not my compi), but I get about 1MB/s writing and > > > 0.5MB/s reading. > > > > > > Fwiw, billyware eXPensive pussyfoots around for at least a minute, > > > desperately trying to decide whether to display 1, 5, 3, 1, none, 5, > > > none, 5, or 1 drives for this piece of hardware. > > > > > > Thanks Jason, > > > > > > Volker > > I've got the same flashcard reader, it worked fine on MDK 9.1 but is a bit > tempermental on Mepis (Debian), my fstab looks like this: > > # Dynamic entries > /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 vfat noauto,users,exec,umask=000 0 0 > > (basically it won't umount and remount cards when changed - umount and mounts > fine at boot time > > any ideas how to amend this for Debian?? > > does it require a static entry in fstab, or could I copy my previous MDK fstab > entry?? > -- > cheersdave g > > Mail to: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > > > > Kmail using Kontact - KDE Desktop 3.2.1 > Mepis Linux - Kernel 2.4.22 (i686) > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: NZ misses out on bundle
yes i installed a copy off a magazine cover a couple of years ago (before i discobered gentoo had everything i wanted and stopped becoming a distro junky). It installed neatly, had some excellent setup tools. Very professional, clearly aimed at satisfying corporate users. Japanese IIRC, so geared for the asian market. it was all in english, and i don't know any asian languages so did not need to worry about asian lang support. No doubt you can find more at the usual places, principally http://www.distrowatch.com On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:49:31 +1200 InfoHelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so has anyway here experience of Turbolinux? -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: NZ misses out on bundle
If you want to play with distros my recommendation is: get suffcient hard disk space to run more than 1 distro on the machine. A 40 G hard drive would give you, say, 3 distros at 10G plus a 10G /media partition for your mp3s and pr0n. find a distro that suits your needs from day to day and install it on part of the disk. run your bootloader (lilo or grub) off this distro as it will be the stable one. use the rest of the disk to trial installs on, updating your lilo/grub on the stable install. When installing a trial distro do NOT let it install a boot loader or play with the mbr. go back to the stable distro and amend its lilo/grub to boot the new distro. (finding the correct parameters can be a pain). I find grub works better than lilo for this, but each to his own. you can use the same swap partition for all your distros. you can also use UML or vmware to install trial distros in, but you won't get a feel for how it really works with all that emulation layer going on. u On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:13:22 +1200 InfoHelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cheers Nick, > > This is relevant because knowing you've got the right flavour for your > needs is all about trial & error, from what I've seen. > > I'm still looking around, though RH9 has done the basic work fine for 7 > months - insufficient reason to change, except for update problems that > is! Will go for a whole reinstall once I see what is really better (with > skill-dev to match). > > Any got a recent Turbolinux, for educational purposes? Paul S? > > ~/newbie/rik > > P.S. Theme is related to whole Outsource2NewZealand campaign/problem > publicised on TV1 Breakfast show this a.m. > > http://www.itanz.org.nz/default.asp?Screen=OutSource2 > > i.e. Linux learning = key to programmer skillbase growth, but is there a > local market for us?.. > > NZ sure misses out here. > > Nick Rout wrote: > > >yes i installed a copy off a magazine cover a couple of years ago > >(before i discobered gentoo had everything i wanted and stopped becoming > >a distro junky). > > > >It installed neatly, had some excellent setup tools. Very professional, > >clearly aimed at satisfying corporate users. Japanese IIRC, so geared > >for the asian market. it was all in english, and i don't know any asian > >languages so did not need to worry about asian lang support. > > > >No doubt you can find more at the usual places, principally > >http://www.distrowatch.com > > > > > -- > InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8 > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: rsync with windows
I have heard of something called unison that is available for win and lin, based on rsync. might be worth exploring ( i think it will synchronise both ways). On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:01:53 +1200 Andrew Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm trying to use cwrsync( http://www.itefix.no/cwrsync/ ) to backup > data on a couple of windows 2000 machines to a linux fileserver. > > Unfortunately, it seems to want to fire up ssh, which isn't > installed. > > I'm not quite sure why it wants to do this, because as far as I can > tell the rsync daemon on the linux machine ought to not need a ssh > connection. I've tried specifying the destination as > rsync://192.168.0.3/backup/Olivia and as 192.168.0.3::backup/Olivia > which theoretically ought to use the rsync protocol rather than > ssh. Rsync is specified in inetd.conf. It is listening, because if I > just query the server from the windows machines it gives me a list of > 'modules'. > > I tried specifying puTTY, which is installed, as the shell, but that > didn't work. I tried installing CopSSH ( http://www.itefix.no/copssh/ > ) which seems to be done by the same person as cwrsync, but windows > complains about conflicting versions of cygwin.dll > > I've looked through the docs, and I can't find anything about telling > the rsync service to allow unencrypted connections. > > Rsyncing also works fine from my laptop, but I guess it's probably > fireing up ssh. > > If the worst comes to the worst, I suppose I can always install > Cygwin, but weighing in at 30Mb seems a bit of an overkill. > > Any suggestions? > > > > -- > -- > |Andrew Tarr | http://arc.stuff.gen.nz > |GPG Public Key:- http://arc.stuff.gen.nz/andrew.gpg > |_ > "There is no excellent beauty that hath not > some strangeness in the proportions" > --Francis Bacon > |~ > | -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: SpamAssassin/Virus checking 'before' Exchange Server
Steve Brorens' (on this list) firm does this commercially. I think they use postfix. I would run a box with postfix, amavis spamassassin etc and a good virus catcher. Just forwards all mail for the correct domain onto the exchange server, deleting all the spam and virii along the way. (or readdressing them to a specific post box so you can check its working ok) http://www.postfix.org/docs.html On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:51:27 +1200 (NZST) Jamie Dobbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Working in a company that loathes spending money I have been tasked with > finding a low/no cost solution to removing that large amoun of spam that > hits our Exhchange Server (5.5) on a daily basis. > Changing to another mail server is not an option, but I was thinking that > perhaps a Linux box equiped with exim(or other MTA) + SpamAssassin + some > sort of antivirus might be a good answer to check incoming mail then pass > on to the Exchange Server once it passes spam and virus checks. > Does anyone have any experience with such a setup or could point me to a > good online resource for this? > I have tried Googling but haven't found anything or particular use so far. > > Thanks > > Jamie -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: NZ misses out on bundle
gentoo does tend to accumulate a lot of disk space, as by default it does not delete source files after you have compiles them (and thats a good thing, cos you may need to recompile it again next week, or the next version may just be a patch). my work server, no X [EMAIL PROTECTED] nick $ df -h FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hda3 1.9G 152M 1.8G 8% / /dev/vg/usr15G 2.9G 13G 19% /usr /dev/vg/var 2.0G 264M 1.8G 13% /var /dev/vg/tmp 1.0G 33M 992M 4% /tmp /dev/vg/home 20G 528M 20G 3% /home my home machine, ignore /home as it is full of movies and music.it has kde and gnome. du --max-depth=1 -h 57M ./tftpboot 0 ./dev 661M./opt 0 ./sys 11M ./boot 1.2G./tmp 6.7M./sbin 1.9G./root 6.5M./bin 42M ./lib 37G ./home 48M ./etc 1.8G./var 16K ./lost+found 7.3G./usr On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:40:44 +1200 InfoHelp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I am prepared to this level. Gentoo-ready. > > Nick Rout wrote: > > >If you want to play with distros my recommendation is: > > > >get suffcient hard disk space to run more than 1 distro on the machine. > >A 40 G hard drive would give you, say, 3 distros at 10G plus a 10G > >/media partition for your mp3s and pr0n. > > > > > With neither of these of interest to me, would 5-6GB partitions suffice? > I have 4 available, plus a FAT32 share with the duel-boot XP (12GB). > > >find a distro that suits your needs from day to day and install it on > >part of the disk. run your bootloader (lilo or grub) off this distro as > >it will be the stable one. > > > >use the rest of the disk to trial installs on, updating your lilo/grub > >on the stable install. When installing a trial distro do NOT let it > >install a boot loader or play with the mbr. go back to the stable distro > >and amend its lilo/grub to boot the new distro. (finding the correct > >parameters can be a pain). I find grub works better than lilo for this, > >but each to his own. > > > >you can use the same swap partition for all your distros. > > > > > Done. 1GB. > > Thanks > > ~/rik > > -- > InfoHelp Services http://www.infohelp.co.nz/linux.html i686 2.4.20-8 > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Politics
It possibly needs either different settings compiled in the kernel, or to have different parameters passed to the kernel on boot. apm/acpi, its all a bloody mystery to me, but fiddling with such things has fixed this problem for me in the past. On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:22:28 +1200 Ian Laurenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok now I feel really thick - I still can not get the machine to power > down. > > I have tried changing the available power settings in the bios set-up > utility but no success in getting the computer to power down. > Everything displays as shutting down OK, then the following is > displayed: > Halting system... > md: stopping all md devices. > md: md0 switched to read-only mode. > Power down > > And nothing - it simply stops at this point without having powered down. > Pressing Ctrl+Alt+Del breifly displays "md: stopping all md devices." > again before doing the reboot. I can turn the power off by pressing the > power button. > > It is running Mandrake10CE. I have tried it with Knoppix 3.3 and the > same thing happens. > > The motherboard is an Asrock K7VM4. > The bios setup utilty is AMIBIOS setup utility - version 3.31a. I have > downloaded and installed the latest bios. The only noticeable change > being that there is now a setting for AGP skew, and V-Link speed. > > > The options under the Power menu are: > > Suspend to Ram (Disabled/Auto) > Repost Video on STR Resume (Disabled/Enabled) > Restore on AC/Power Loss (Power Off/ Power On) > Ring-In Power On (Disabled/Enabled) > PCI Devices Power On (Disabled/Enabled) > PS/2 Keyboard Power On (Disabled/Any Key) > RTC Alarm Power On (Disabled/Enabled) > Then 4 settings for RTC Alarm, these being: Date, Hour, Minute, Second > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, Ian Laurenson > > On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 11:36, Patrick Dunford wrote: > > > > > On an ATX power supply, Power Management must be enabled in the bios > > > settings. If power management is disabled the power supply will not shut > > > down automatically. > > > > I have not seen a bios with an explicit setting for automatic shutdown. > > It usually falls under the setting mentioned above, and is not > > necessarily documented. > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Moving a large amount of data
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:41:06 +1200 Hamish McBrearty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all > > Since my server crashed and burned rather spectacularly on Friday I've > rebuilt it as a single boot Gentoo box. I've been able to get rid of some > legacy stuff, but I have one thing left. I have a 120Gb hard drive that > contains 27Gb of movies, music and a shared Portage tree. However, due to > my using this when I was weaning myself off Windows it's a Fat32 > partition. I'd like to make it something a bit more robust and secure like > XFS or JFS. > > What would be the best way to move all of this data onto my desktop > computer (the only one with enough space) and then back after I've > reformatted the drive? Rsync? scp? Huge tar file? rsync has no advantage over the others unless the data is going to change over time. it'll just add time as your processor chugs thru the algorithm I'd tend to tar it up, but scp would work too. > > - > Hamish McBrearty MCSE MCSA > Network Engineer > Rangi Ruru Girls' School > 59 Hewitts Road > Christchurch > NEW ZEALAND > Ph 03 355-6099 > Fax 03 355-6027 > CELL 021 999770 > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Moving a large amount of data
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:05:03 +1200 Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And the other points you make are true, but don't move me. tar has > become the canonical distribution archive, so proficiency with tar is > pretty much required. cpio seems by your description to still have valid > usages in areas that tar cannot be used, but that's still no excuse to > promote it over tar! Especially to someone who wasn't asking about > cross-architecture transfers! :-) There is no standard for packages in the linux world, but there are a few that vie for that accolade, and rpm must be one of them. isn't rpm based on cpio? (and rpm's perceived problems have nothing to do with cpio, and are largely fixed by putting a layer above it - apt or urpmi for example. just the same as dpkg is improved by apt) (why do i get reminded of indigestion every time i think of urpmi???) -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Anyone done anything with Glade?
Superb post, even I understood it.
get a job teaching Michael. perhaps u already have ;-)
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:20:06 +1200
Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 09:04, Derek Smithies wrote:
> > if they are deprecating the code output from Glade, what is it to be
> > replaced with ?
> Ok, I will give ya'll a quick overview of GUI programing and Glade. I'm
> sorry if the following is too low level or too high level; you get that
> when you write for a general audience.
>
> Writing GUI Code
>
> GUI code normally looks something like this (which is written in
> Python-GTK+):
> w = gtk.Window()
> w.set_title("An Example")
> The above code creates a window (w) with the title "An
> Example". We can add more widgets to the window, as follows.
> v = gtk.VBox()
> w.add(v)
> l = gtk.Label("Hello World!")
> v.pack_start(l)
> b = gtk.Button(gtk.STOCK_OK)
> v.pack_end(b)
> The window (w) now contains three widgets:
> 1. An invisible vertical-box (v) that is used to lay out
> other widgets,
> 2. A label (l) that is used to display the text "Hello
> World!", and
> 3. A button (b) that looks like the default ("stock") OK
> button.
> The above example also contains code that says how the widgets
> are laid out: the window contains the vertical box, the label is
> "packed" at the start of the vertical box, and the button is
> packed at the end.
>
> To get the button to do something when it is clicked, we have to
> "connect" it to a function. The following causes the function
> "on_b_clicked" to be clicked whenever the the button "b" is
> clicked.
> b.connect("clicked", on_b_clicked)
>
> The Problem of Writing GUI Code
>
> GUI-code, like that shown above, can be tedious to write as it
> is often the same between applications. It is similar to how
> all HTML pages begin with the same "boiler-plate" code. It also
> takes a fair amount of skill to translate the linear code (be it
> in Python, TCL, or C++) to a two-dimensional dynamic interface
> that can resize and move!
>
> GUI-Builders — like the ones contained in Visual Studio,
> K-Develop, XCode, and Glade — take away some of the tedium by
> allowing the developer to "draw" the interface, rather than
> write code. Usually, the system then produces code that
> implements the interface, which is then compiled and linked into
> a running program. However, Glade does not produce code.
>
> The Glade Solution to the Problem of Writing GUI Code
>
> Glade produces XML files instead of code. The XML file contains
> a description of what the widgets look like, where the widgets
> are in the interface, and how they resize when the window
> changes shape. The developer then writes a line of code to load
> the XML file, as follows.
> gui = gtk.glade.XML("myApp.glade")
> The above code loads the XML file, displays the window and all
> the widgets contained within. The developer still has to write
> the code to make the application do something, but a lot of the
> hard work has been done for you.
>
> Using an XML file also makes the Glade more flexible, as the
> library that reads in the XML file (libglade) is easier to
> convert to a new language than writing a code generator from
> scratch.
> --
> Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/
--
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Moving a large amount of data
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:07:41 +1200 Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 10:40, Nick Rout wrote: > > Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And the other points you make are true, but don't move me. tar has > > > become the canonical distribution archive, so proficiency with tar is > > > There is no standard for packages in the linux world, but there are a > > few that vie for that accolade, and rpm must be one of them. > > Bt. No Feeding The Troll. There is a canonical standard for software > distribution in the *unix* world, and that's a tarball of the source > files. > > I think you're trolling with RPM ... maybe i was. Isn't it time for a flamewar LOL? And I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you (perhaps i should have made that clear. Perhaps i should also have made it clear that my post was to point out the connection between cpio and rpm. I went on a bit further, to forestall people who might reply "rpm is crap which just proves the point that cpio is crap/unnecessary". >I haven't touched an RPM file for > well over 5 years. Linux is not the only Unix ... and of the set of > Linux distributions, "only" RedHat-based systems cling to RPM. errbut there are a large number of leading and popular rpm using and/or redhat-based distros:- eg mandrake, suse, connectiva (huge in south america), > > On a daily basis, I use FreeBSD, Debian & Mac OS X. None of these use > RPM by choice. personally my view is that binary distributions will all have problems when important libraries are updated out of sync with the rest of the distro. leading to rpm hell, or deb hell, or tgz hell. In other words the faults of rpm are the faults of any binary distro. > > > (and rpm's perceived problems have nothing to do with cpio, and are > > largely fixed by putting a layer above it - apt or urpmi for example. > > just the same as dpkg is improved by apt) > > The layer that they need is a "single source" of inter-dependancy > management, like FreeBSD's ports tree, or Debian's distributions. What > they've historically had is multiple independant RPM-producers *per > package*, scattering them all over the net and having no interest in > supporting end-users configs. I suspect that Mandrake are getting good > at this aspect, judging by others' comments. > yep, I'd add gentoo's portage or sorcerer's spell system to the comparison with BSD's ports system. Any of those systems neccessarily have a '"single source" of inter-dependancy management', and I guess ultimately a single point of failure. Except that their open nature should keep them alive :-) > -jim -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Moving a large amount of data
There is a version online (copyright redHat 2000) http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/ Its very good if you DO have to work with rpm. On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:42:39 +1200 Jim Cheetham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BTW, if anyone is still reading this far, if you want this book, you can > have it ... it's been lurking on my bookshelf for about 7 years doing > nothing positive for me :-) ISBN 0-672-31105-4. Email me direct. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird
Is there a lot of difference between the mail component of mozilla and the thunderbird "fork"? I assume they are from the same code base, but is there a divergence? -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
do we want a separate mailing list for this? I can do. On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:23:39 +1200 "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OK, we have a venue (my garage) and some interested Gentoo trialists. > > As the venue manager I am flexible with dates - almost any Saturday except > Easter. Can the helpers (Nick, Chris and others?) set a date? > > Can those who want the Gentoo Installation post their PC specs? > > I recall at our last Gentoo Installfest that we had at least one person who > did not know what they were letting themselves in for so I suggest all > participants confirm that they are at least moderately Linux competent. > > Last time Nick amended the Gentoo installation instructions to suit the > installfest. I can do the printing again. > > Any other questions? (or any answers?) > > Regards, Robert > Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. > > -Original Message- > From: Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) > Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 3:42 p.m. > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > Subject: RE: Gentoo Installfest > > If you are a starter Don then I think that makes 5 which would be almost the > limit in the garage anyway. > > If others can help (servers, expertise etc.) I can be flexible for the date > - most Saturdays except Easter. > > I can supply the garage, the switch and the connection to www (soon to be > 256kbs) > > Regards, Robert > Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. > > -Original Message- > From: Don Gould [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 3:26 p.m. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Gentoo Installfest > > When and where? (I don't know where Robert's garage lives :) > > Cheers Don > > > -Original Message- > > From: Robert Fisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:54 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > I may live to regret this but here goes > > > > If the numbers for another Gentoo Installfest are small (say > > 4 to 6 at the most), and Nick or someone can set up an rsync > > server I would be prepared to have it in our garage at home. > > > > I have a switch and a Jetstart connection and everything is > > at ground level. (No offence David but your stairs are not > > very welcoming when carrying computer equipment) Shopping > > centre is nearby for food. > > > > -- > > Robert Fisher > > www.fisher.net.nz > > > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest Bookings
are you saying you want to update your install on the pII/400? ok with me, but with caleb's athlon 2500 at thome I am not sure that you won't get it done by then via distcc anyway ! Here is the list of those who have already expressed an interest. I have started to compile a small database of names, emails, and machine specs, so will add to it. Rik Tindall Chris Darby Don Gould Roger Searle I assume through you starting this thread Chris that you do not favour another email list? On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:00:45 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please add your name to this thread to reserve a place. > > Christopher Sawtell > 1 x P/II 400 to update many packages. > > Caleb Sawtell > 1 x AMD AthlonXP 2500+ > Available for distcc cluster / farm. > > -- > Sincerely etc. > Christopher Sawtell > > NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, > it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. > Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest Bookings
What about the 2xP4 lappies for distcc'ing that you mentioned? On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:04:48 +1200 "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Fisher > > 1 x P4 1.9Ghz, 512 Mb laptop for distcc > Plus my machine for any Googling or other activities needed. > > Regards, Robert > Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. > > -Original Message- > From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 2:01 p.m. > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Gentoo Installfest Bookings > > Please add your name to this thread to reserve a place. > > Christopher Sawtell > 1 x P/II 400 to update many packages. > > Caleb Sawtell > 1 x AMD AthlonXP 2500+ > Available for distcc cluster / farm. > > -- > Sincerely etc. > Christopher Sawtell > > NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, > it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. > Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest Bookings
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:06, Roger Searle wrote: > Roger Searle, > > 1 notebook 2GHz Celeron, 384MB, 20GB hdd with 3.5GB partition currently > running mandrake 9.2. (Is that partition large enough? I can downsize > another one if needed). I'd probably do that if I was you. bah humbug, ditch the rest, devote 20G seriously, 5-6 would be better. You won't use it all, but when you get down to compiling openoffice or mozilla, you will need about 2G spare space. Nothing is more annoying than running out of /tmp space on a long compile! > > Christopher Sawtell wrote: > >Please add your name to this thread to reserve a place. > > > >Christopher Sawtell > >1 x P/II 400 to update many packages. > > > >Caleb Sawtell > >1 x AMD AthlonXP 2500+ > >Available for distcc cluster / farm.
Re: Gentoo Installfest Bookings
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:02:38 +1200 Roger Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Compiling?!? Now I'm getting worried... > > Thanks for the partition size suggestion, Nick, I'll do that. I'd love to go 100% > linux tomorrow, but my reality at both home and particularly work won't allow that. > In the short term, I am thinking that I can do maybe a third of my things at work on > linux, and 80-90% of stuff at home. And over time, more and more. > > Roger I think we should adopt the following strategy for roger: 1. try and see if we can get his network card going under his current distro - if we can then he may be happy. He can hang around and get a few tips if he wants. 2. if not, give gentoo a shot, he will learn a heap! 3. if that is a dismal failure too (no reason why it should be) reinstall mandrake and leave him how he was :-) Roger give me the output of the following commands (executed as root0 on your laptop: lspci ifconfig lsmod dmesg|grep eth also, how should the card get its ip address? via dhcp or manually set? thanks. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest Bookings
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:29:50 +1200 Patrick Dunford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don Gould wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Machine: Sony PCG-Z55JE. > > > > It has Win98 installed already with about 6gb free. > > > > I'd like to patition it so I can boot from either. I'd also like to see > > Win98 running within linux so I don't have to reboot to run a simple little > > windoz app. > > Buy another HDD and install linux on that why? he has 6G (and even after 1G headroom in the w98 install, 5 is plenty. I am more concerned that the machine specs might not be up to a gentoo install, lets hear the specs Don. CPU speed and RAM are the main parameters. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Mozilla Mail/Thunderbird
Most modern mailers have a "save to drafts' feature which saves to a special folder, stored either locally or on your imap server. consigning something to the send queue and hoping it will be there later is IMHO not good practice, for obvious reasons (but then again this is, as you say, your wife) On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:50:41 +1200 Jaco Swart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Patrick Dunford wrote: > > > With the online/offline extension, you can configure it to send all > > unsent automatically when you go online. This is the setting I use. > > Yes, that is what I use too, but this is my wife we're talking about > here :-) When she wants to save messages to continue working on them > later, she just hits send, and PMail will store the message in the queue > without sending it. She can then refine it at a later stage, and then > send all the messages in the queue. PMail can save messages, but the > process is clunky. For me, the bottom line is to upgrade her to a modern > mail client, without disrupting the way that she works. Thunderbird can > do that :-) > > rgds > Jaco > > > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest Bookings
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 10:11:44 +1200 Michael JasonSmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:56, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > > One thing to remember is that with Gentoo there is no bloat. You only > > install what you want, nothing extra. > Sounds like Debian ;P or any distro if you rtfm and have a few clues > -- > Michael JasonSmith http://www.ldots.org/ -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Comprehensive digital image management software for linux
have you looked at http://digikam.sf.net/ ? On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:25:53 +1200 Carl Cerecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looking for more than just an "album" clone. > > Something like iOta (http://www.varp.net/photos/iOta.html), except: > * Easy to install (i.e. packaged properly) > * User interface that doesn't suck. > * Doesn't crash. > > Something along these lines: > http://www.varp.net/photos/digital.html > > I know I could whip something up myself (in python, of course :-), and > have fun doing it even, but I just don't have the time > > Cheers, > Carl. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Comprehensive digital image management software for linux
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:40:30 +1200 Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > have you looked at http://digikam.sf.net/ ? > > oh and a lot of the sample shots are of NZ :-) > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:25:53 +1200 > Carl Cerecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Looking for more than just an "album" clone. > > > > Something like iOta (http://www.varp.net/photos/iOta.html), except: > > * Easy to install (i.e. packaged properly) > > * User interface that doesn't suck. > > * Doesn't crash. > > > > Something along these lines: > > http://www.varp.net/photos/digital.html > > > > I know I could whip something up myself (in python, of course :-), and > > have fun doing it even, but I just don't have the time > > > > Cheers, > > Carl. > > -- > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: NZ mirror for Mandrake 10
They only seem to have mandrake 10.0-rc1 On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 11:54:45 +1200 Caillyn Benbow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can also find a mirror at www.debian.co.nz > they have copies of most major linux and BSD distro's > > > > Caillyn Benbow -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Comprehensive digital image management software for linux
emergeing now, having done digikam already. I have been under pressure from shwhomustbeobeyed to sort our digital cam pics. Your post has spurred me to look at some of this software. If you see anything cross-platform, so shewho... can use it off windows too, let me know. On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:17:14 +1200 Carl Cerecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nick Rout wrote: > > have you looked at http://digikam.sf.net/ ? > > > I thnk KimDaBa is more what I'm after: > http://ktown.kde.org/kimdaba/ > > Cheers, > Carl. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gentoo installfest distcc-bootcd.
Some may recall that last year I prepared a boot-cd that had gcc and distcc on board so that people could boot their power boxes and chuck them into the server farm for helping compile gentoo. To use distcc successfully the servers need to run the same version of gcc, distcc, and the rest of the compiling toolchain (binutils mainly) as the target machine. That makes using differnet distro'd machines a little tricky. A boot cd acts like knoppix, doesn't touch your hard drive, and boots with consistent versions of the required tools. It means we can beg steal and borrow various grunty machines, boot them from cd and attach them to the network, In real life they can be windows machines, linux boxes running a different version of the toolchains, etc. I am developing an up to date version now and it is almost complete. It uses the gentoo livecd autoconfig system to detect hardware (which is in turn borrowed from knoppix, and that seems pretty good at detecting hardware. Of course there is no X for this, so all it basically has to detect is a network card. I have built several iterations of the iso and booted them via vmware. Next step will be to strip all the extraneous stuff out (its currently 1G so its not gonna fit on a cd at the moment). I will need some testers. Let me know if you are able to give it a try. BTW the current versions of these tools on gentoo are: gcc version 3.3.2 20031218 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.2-r5, propolice-3.3-7) binutils 2.14.90.0.7 distcc 2.12.1 -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Comprehensive digital image management software for linux
Sue does On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 13:32:51 +1200 "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What, you still have windows at your house? > > Regards, Robert > Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windscreen. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo installfest distcc-bootcd.
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:31, InfoHelp wrote: > Yes, & is this any help too?: > > http://www.csh.rit.edu/slashdot/distcc.html after the slashdot thread i went onto /. and picked it up :-) Thanks > > Nick Rout wrote: > >[clip] > >Let me know if you are able to give it a try. > > ~/rik
Re: Can't see entire 160GB drive under Mandrake 10
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:28, Wesley Parish wrote: > On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:04, you wrote: > > Wesley Parish wrote: > > > Would that be the suggested thing to do for a motherboard that refuses > > > to recognise my new DVD/CDRW? > > > > The Bios or the operating system you are running on it? > > > > I know that IDE HDD detection in the Bios doesn't detect CD drives, what > > does the OS detect? > > Linux doesn't detect the DVD/CDRW; I suspect that's because I haven't got > the appropriate driver. errdriver? you don't have ide in your kernel? > The BIOS doesn't either, and I've tried it with > two of the most likely options. I struck this problem with a box i bought last year (ie cd not detected). I couldn't work out wheteher it was faulty old drives or a bios problem. I eventually found one that worked.
Re: Bash-2.05b
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 07:02, John Williams wrote: > On Wednesday 31 March 2004 07:35 pm, you wrote: > > On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 19:25, John Williams wrote: > > > > Can you re-source your ".bashrc" file > > > > $ source ~/.bashrc > > > > > > bash-2.05b$ source ~/.bashrc > > > bash: /home/jkiwi/.bashrc: No such file or directory > > > > Ah. > > > > > Doing: > > > bash-2.05b export PS1="[EMAIL PROTECTED] > " # from the "Prompt Basics" per > > > Robert > > > Fisher > > > > > > corrects the problem but only for that session. How can I "fix" the > > > entry? > > > > Create a file in your home directory called ".bashrc" and place the line > > PS1="[EMAIL PROTECTED] > " > > in it :) > > Thanks Michael! I wonder where the original file got to? John. > Now to fix the aliases. You said it happened when you uninstalled OpenOffice.org. Take a look at whatever script executed when you uninstalled OOo.
Gentoo Installfest
OK it looks like we really only have three takers for this, assuming Roger Searle's network card is fixed independently of a whole new install. The installees are Rik Tindall, Chris Darby and Don Gould. Plus Chris Sawtell wants to update his machine with the help of the compile farm, but I'm not sure I count that as a new install, or someone requiring assistance. ;-) Surely there must be some others keen to do an assisted install of gentoo? At one stage someone proclaimed we had 6 entries. Am I missing someone? -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
OK make it four plus Chris S Have we chosen a date or as that left in my hands? On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:48:04 +1200 "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got the impression that after Roger read some of the installation manual, > he was still keen for Gentoo. > > Roger? > > Regards, Robert > Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue. > > -Original Message- > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 9:45 a.m. > To: CLUG > Subject: Gentoo Installfest > > OK it looks like we really only have three takers for this, assuming > Roger Searle's network card is fixed independently of a whole new > install. > > The installees are Rik Tindall, Chris Darby and Don Gould. Plus Chris > Sawtell wants to update his machine with the help of the compile farm, > but I'm not sure I count that as a new install, or someone requiring > assistance. ;-) > > Surely there must be some others keen to do an assisted install of > gentoo? At one stage someone proclaimed we had 6 entries. Am I missing > someone? > -- > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
yep it sounds fine. pleased to have u along. On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:58:07 +1200 Roger Searle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm still interested in a gentoo install, as a learning exercise at > least. And to persevere with getting the network card going under > mandrake too. Also a learning exercise. Then I'm doing all I can to > get more linux time and less of the other. If you get more interest in > the gentoo install and the card starts being nice under mandrake, I'm > happy to step aside and give someone else the place. Does that sound OK? > > Cheers, > Roger > > > Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > > >I got the impression that after Roger read some of the installation manual, > >he was still keen for Gentoo. > > > >Roger? > > > >Regards, Robert > >Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue. > > > > -Original Message- > >From:Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent:Thursday, 1 April 2004 9:45 a.m. > >To: CLUG > >Subject: Gentoo Installfest > > > >OK it looks like we really only have three takers for this, assuming > >Roger Searle's network card is fixed independently of a whole new > >install. > > > >The installees are Rik Tindall, Chris Darby and Don Gould. Plus Chris > >Sawtell wants to update his machine with the help of the compile farm, > >but I'm not sure I count that as a new install, or someone requiring > >assistance. ;-) > > > >Surely there must be some others keen to do an assisted install of > >gentoo? At one stage someone proclaimed we had 6 entries. Am I missing > >someone? > > > > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
There is room for you Nick, good to see you. I wondered if you were still about the list. Venue will be Robert Fisher's garage where he has the necessary networking facilities as well as a beer fridge and a nearby takeaway. (Well I am ad libbing the beer fridge, but I'm sure he will have one). Time, one Saturday other than Easter - Rob has left that to me, any views - anyone involved? I thought NOT the 10th April, or the 17th (Easter & middle of the school holidays). The 24th April or the 1st May? (24th will be the tail end weekend of school hols so that may be a problem?) People had better express their views, because I will be making an executtive decision at some stage. On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:21:49 +1200 Nick Elder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, Long time no see, > Is there room for me please? I have a celeron 1300 that currently runs > mandrake 9.1. I would like to slip out the HDD from the removable drive bay. > Plug in a fresh 40GB HDD and try out Gentoo. I am not sure if you have set a > date yet btw. Who ever is running the Gentoo installfest please let me know > dates and venues when you know them please and I am having trouble keeping up > with all the news in list these days? > > cheers and regards, > Nick Elder > > > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:07, you wrote: > > Date: This weekend is bad for me, easter is bad for Rodger, but otherwise > > just advise me and I'll fit in. > > > > Manuals: I'd like to see a copy of the manual before I came... I like to > > have done prior reading - plz no serif fonts, I can't read them (seriously, > > it's a disability, having said that, I can manage with courier but Times > > New Roman is hopeless to me). > > > > PDA: I never got a response on my PDA question. (Will there be folk who > > can help set up an equivelant to my MS enviornment.) > > > > Machines: I also have to other machines that I'd like to convert over to a > > linux enviornment but I have a serious transport problem - ie no car. > > Can't very well bus 3 machines, laptop gets heavy enough after a while, if > > there's anyone passing thru Riccarton that I can bludge a ride with that > > would be great. > > > > Cheers Don > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:53 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > > > > OK make it four plus Chris S > > > > > > Have we chosen a date or as that left in my hands? > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:48:04 +1200 > > > > > > "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I got the impression that after Roger read some of the > > > > > > installation manual, > > > > > > > he was still keen for Gentoo. > > > > > > > > Roger? > > > > > > > > Regards, Robert > > > > Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 9:45 a.m. > > > > To: CLUG > > > > Subject:Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > > > OK it looks like we really only have three takers for this, assuming > > > > Roger Searle's network card is fixed independently of a whole new > > > > install. > > > > > > > > The installees are Rik Tindall, Chris Darby and Don Gould. > > > > > > Plus Chris > > > > > > > Sawtell wants to update his machine with the help of the > > > > > > compile farm, > > > > > > > but I'm not sure I count that as a new install, or someone requiring > > > > assistance. ;-) > > > > > > > > Surely there must be some others keen to do an assisted install of > > > > gentoo? At one stage someone proclaimed we had 6 entries. > > > > > > Am I missing > > > > > > > someone? > > > > -- > > > > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -- > > > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > __ NOD32 1.700 (20040331) Information __ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > > > http://www.nod32.com -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:07:35 +1200 Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Date: This weekend is bad for me, easter is bad for Rodger, but otherwise > just advise me and I'll fit in. Will take those into account. > > Manuals: I'd like to see a copy of the manual before I came... I like to > have done prior reading - plz no serif fonts, I can't read them (seriously, > it's a disability, having said that, I can manage with courier but Times New > Roman is hopeless to me) http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook.xml?part=1 print it, read it online, whatever. not the "print" link which takes you to a version better suited for printing. also a quick overview: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml . > > PDA: I never got a response on my PDA question. what pda question? most pda's will synchronise with linux (palm's in particular). > (Will there be folk who > can help set up an equivelant to my MS enviornment.) > you don't honestly expect to have someone answer a question that open ended do you? What part of the MS environment do you want to emulate? BSOD? virus vulnerability? browser exploits? lack of documentation? lack of support? Seriously though you can expect a serious office suite (OOo), email clients galore, web browsers to burn, messaging clients, media players. What else do you do with your MS environment? Whats your killer app? > Machines: I also have to other machines that I'd like to convert over to a > linux enviornment but I have a serious transport problem - ie no car. Can't > very well bus 3 machines, laptop gets heavy enough after a while, if there's > anyone passing thru Riccarton that I can bludge a ride with that would be > great. > I'm sure someone will be able to assist with transport. How about you just start with one machine at a time? A gentoo install is a full on affair and if it is the first time you won't want to be dividing your attention between two or three machines. Preferably the desktop machine, as its more fun to set up, but if you want to do your mail server, thats more than possible too :-) > Cheers Don > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:53 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > OK make it four plus Chris S > > > > Have we chosen a date or as that left in my hands? > > > > > > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:48:04 +1200 > > "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I got the impression that after Roger read some of the > > installation manual, > > > he was still keen for Gentoo. > > > > > > Roger? > > > > > > Regards, Robert > > > Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 9:45 a.m. > > > To: CLUG > > > Subject: Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > OK it looks like we really only have three takers for this, assuming > > > Roger Searle's network card is fixed independently of a whole new > > > install. > > > > > > The installees are Rik Tindall, Chris Darby and Don Gould. > > Plus Chris > > > Sawtell wants to update his machine with the help of the > > compile farm, > > > but I'm not sure I count that as a new install, or someone requiring > > > assistance. ;-) > > > > > > Surely there must be some others keen to do an assisted install of > > > gentoo? At one stage someone proclaimed we had 6 entries. > > Am I missing > > > someone? > > > -- > > > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > __ NOD32 1.700 (20040331) Information __ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > > http://www.nod32.com > > > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:01:21 +1200 (NZST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I am also somewhat interested. I have been following the discussion for the > past few days and was under the impression that it was already overbooked. It > would depend on the date though. This weekend and next weekend are out for me. > The next Saturday (24 April) is good, and the following Saturday (1 May) is ok > during the day but out in the evening. > > My setup: > Athlon 2600XP on Nforce 2 motherboard (Abit NF7S) with onboard LAN (I have a > spare nic I can put in during install - I think it needs seperate drivers for > the onboard eth.) pretty sure those drivers are on the gentoo boot cd. > ATI 9600pro video card > 1GB ram > I currently have 1 x 120GB hdd and 1 x 20GB hdd. The 120GB hdd has windows XP > with a bunch of shared partitions for photos, music etc and the 20Gb hdd is > running debian unstable, but hasn't been updated for some time. > Also CDRW and DVD drive and kodak dx4900 digital camera and a card reader > > What I want to do: > Get a new hdd to install Gentoo on to replace the debian hdd as it is getting > noisy and I have had problems with it at times. I would like to transfer my > mail etc. across from the debian installation, and have sound, DVD, CD burning, > > camera, card reader, etc. working. > > I currently have the digital camera working and DVD psuedo working (crashes and > > dies regularly), but the other things I haven't really bothered with. > > Must have Apps: > Gnome > Evolution > GIMP > GNUcash > GQview (or equivalent) > Gtkam/gphoto2 (digital camera) > dvd player - currently using xine, but not very happy with it > Browser (would prefer opera, but not too biased) all the above is in gentoo. > hardware 3D acceleration - need to download the latest fglrx drivers from ATI > for the version of X Gentoo uses > there are a number of ATI realted packages in portage, i do not have enough experiance of them to tell if what you want is there. * media-tv/atitvout Latest version available: 0.4 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 26 kB Homepage:http://www.stud.uni-hamburg.de/users/lennart/projects/atitvou * media-video/ati-drivers Latest version available: 3.2.8-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 4,262 kB Homepage:http://www.ati.com Description: Ati precompiled drivers for r350, r300, r250 and r200 chipset s License: ATI * media-video/ati-drivers-extra Latest version available: 3.2.8-r1 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 4,262 kB Homepage:http://www.ati.com Description: Ati precompiled drivers extra applications License: ATI GPL-2 QPL-1.0 * media-video/ati-gatos [ Masked ] Latest version available: 4.3.0 Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ] Size of downloaded files: 379 kB Homepage:http://gatos.sourceforge.net/ Description: ATI Multimedia-capable drivers for XFree86 License: GPL-2 > The problem that I have is that I now only have dialup at home, so I won't > really be able to update regularly, so I would like it to be quite stable. > The big downloads are few and far between. People can burn cd's for you. You can leave it on all night while no one is using the phone. emerge --fetchonly is your friend. > Linux experience/skills: Reasonable, can figure out most things > > Cheers > > Luuk > > > > Quoting Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > OK make it four plus Chris S > > > > Have we chosen a date or as that left in my hands? > > > > > > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:48:04 +1200 > > "Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I got the impression that after Roger read some of the installation > > manual, > > > he was still keen for Gentoo. > > > > > > Roger? > > > > > > Regards, Robert > > > Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2004 9:45 a.m. > > > To: CLUG > > > Subject: Gentoo Installfest > > > > > > OK it looks like we really only have three takers for this, assuming > > > Roger Searle's network card is fixed independently of a whole new > > > install. > > > > > > The installees are Rik Tindall, Chris Darby and Don Gould. Plus Chris > > > Sawtell wants to update his machine with the help of the compile > > farm, > > > but I'm not sure I count that as a new install, or someone requiring > > > assistance. ;-) > > > > > > Surely there must be some others keen to do an assisted install of > > > gentoo? At one stage someone proclaimed we had 6 entries. Am I > > missing > > > someone? > > > -- > > > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
bejesus, 96 pages according to print preview, and thats at 80% scaling. On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:22:56 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is the URL for the 'print-the-lot' edition of the Gentoo install > handbook. In contrast to the last edition, this one many pages of large > sans-serif fonts. Looks to me as if it just what you need. > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook.xml?style=printable&full=1 -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
gentoofest summary of entries
Here is a small pdf that I knocked up on OOo summarising the victims and compile farm to date. we need to borrow more grunty machines to do compiles on. Anyone? http://www.rout.co.nz/gentoofest.pdf -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
The ebuild seems to do some patching for the 2.6 kernel series, heres an
excerpt:
if [ "`echo ${KV}|grep 2.6`" ] ; then
einfo "applying fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch"
patch -p1 < ${FILESDIR}/fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch
maybe this already does what is necessary?
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:14:41 +1200 (NZST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have found a howto for the ATI driver on the 2.6 kernel here:
> http://www.rage3d.org/board/showthread.php?
> s=2f1fda16fb42aad44bb69cdc345f61c7&threadid=33730800
> It does involve patching the driver but seems fairly straight forward.
>
> Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Although, looking at the website it appears that they are for the 2.4
> > kernel...
> > and I would like to go to the 2.6 kernel if possible.
> >
> > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Re: Gentoo Installfest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ati-drivers $ grep -i amd ati-drivers-3.2.8-r1.ebuild
einfo "applying fglrx-3.2.8-fix-amd-adv-spec.patch"
patch < ${FILESDIR}/fglrx-3.2.8-fix-amd-adv-spec.patch
seems to be something there for that too.
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:49:02 +1200 (NZST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That looks like what the thread is talking about, although it does also mention
> a patch for AMD processors as well - which may be there, but not included in
> your excerpt.
>
> Quoting Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > The ebuild seems to do some patching for the 2.6 kernel series, heres
> > an
> > excerpt:
> >
> > if [ "`echo ${KV}|grep 2.6`" ] ; then
> >
> > einfo "applying fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch"
> > patch -p1 < ${FILESDIR}/fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch
> >
> > maybe this already does what is necessary?
> >
> > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:14:41 +1200 (NZST)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I have found a howto for the ATI driver on the 2.6 kernel here:
> > > http://www.rage3d.org/board/showthread.php?
> > > s=2f1fda16fb42aad44bb69cdc345f61c7&threadid=33730800
> > > It does involve patching the driver but seems fairly straight
> > forward.
> > >
> > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > Although, looking at the website it appears that they are for the
> > 2.4
> > > > kernel...
> > > > and I would like to go to the 2.6 kernel if possible.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
--
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
and u can look at the ebuilds here, and suss out what they do. The
current latest is ati-drivers-3.2.8-r1.ebuild
http://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage/media-video/ati-drivers/
(they are text files so they may not open in the browser - depends on
the browser and how it is set up)
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:49:02 +1200 (NZST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> That looks like what the thread is talking about, although it does also mention
> a patch for AMD processors as well - which may be there, but not included in
> your excerpt.
>
> Quoting Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > The ebuild seems to do some patching for the 2.6 kernel series, heres
> > an
> > excerpt:
> >
> > if [ "`echo ${KV}|grep 2.6`" ] ; then
> >
> > einfo "applying fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch"
> > patch -p1 < ${FILESDIR}/fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch
> >
> > maybe this already does what is necessary?
> >
> > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:14:41 +1200 (NZST)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > I have found a howto for the ATI driver on the 2.6 kernel here:
> > > http://www.rage3d.org/board/showthread.php?
> > > s=2f1fda16fb42aad44bb69cdc345f61c7&threadid=33730800
> > > It does involve patching the driver but seems fairly straight
> > forward.
> > >
> > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > Although, looking at the website it appears that they are for the
> > 2.4
> > > > kernel...
> > > > and I would like to go to the 2.6 kernel if possible.
> > > >
> > > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >
--
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
the ebuilds are either masked or unmasked. those that are unmasked will install,
and by default the latest unmasked one will install, ie if you go
emerge package
and the latest unmasked version of package is 2.2.2-r1 then that will
install.
you can also ask for an earlier one like this:
emerge =package-2.2.1
some packages are masked because they are regarded as unstable, ie not
fit for general consumption. they may need more work to fit in100% with
the gentoo system, or the package itself may not be ready for general
release.
You cannot tell that from the filename, you need to look inside. an
unmasked x86 ebuild will have a KEYWORD of x86, a masked one will be
marked ~x86.
you can emerge the latest masked one by:
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge package
the numbering follows the author's numbering, so package-2.2.2.ebuild
will install the author's 2.2.2 version of package. If the ebuild needs
tweaking it will be renamed package-2.2.2-r1.ebuild. It installs the
same version, but the ebuild will have changed to, maybe, set up
something differently, apply a new patch, or whatever.
Does that answer the question?
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:28:35 +1200 (NZST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> It looks like they've got the 3.76 drivers there as well, or is it only the
> e-builds with r1 in the version name that work?
>
> Quoting Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > and u can look at the ebuilds here, and suss out what they do. The
> > current latest is ati-drivers-3.2.8-r1.ebuild
> >
> > http://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage/media-video/ati-drivers/
> >
> > (they are text files so they may not open in the browser - depends on
> > the browser and how it is set up)
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:49:02 +1200 (NZST)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > That looks like what the thread is talking about, although it does
> > also mention
> > > a patch for AMD processors as well - which may be there, but not
> > included in
> > > your excerpt.
> > >
> > > Quoting Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > The ebuild seems to do some patching for the 2.6 kernel series,
> > heres
> > > > an
> > > > excerpt:
> > > >
> > > > if [ "`echo ${KV}|grep 2.6`" ] ; then
> > > >
> > > > einfo "applying fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch"
> > > > patch -p1 < ${FILESDIR}/fglrx-2.6-vmalloc-vmaddr.patch
> > > >
> > > > maybe this already does what is necessary?
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:14:41 +1200 (NZST)
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have found a howto for the ATI driver on the 2.6 kernel here:
> > > > > http://www.rage3d.org/board/showthread.php?
> > > > > s=2f1fda16fb42aad44bb69cdc345f61c7&threadid=33730800
> > > > > It does involve patching the driver but seems fairly straight
> > > > forward.
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Although, looking at the website it appears that they are for
> > the
> > > > 2.4
> > > > > > kernel...
> > > > > > and I would like to go to the 2.6 kernel if possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quoting "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
--
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:18:27 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't forget that the document is also available on the LiveCD as a web page > complete with a text browser. but it wil be a couple of months out of date, but of course the same web browser can call it up from the web as well as from the cd. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: List duplications...
last time i think it was his exchange server *cough cough* we should blame it anyway LOL On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:20:51 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:29, Don Gould wrote: > > I seem to be getting some messages duplicated from the list again. > I've not noticed that here. Probably some misconfiguration at your ISP or > mail-server. > > -- > Sincerely etc. > Christopher Sawtell > > NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, > it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. > Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Gentoo Installfest
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:08, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 09:44, Nick Rout wrote: > > OK it looks like we really only have three takers for this, assuming > > Roger Searle's network card is fixed independently of a whole new > > install. > > > > The installees are Rik Tindall, Chris Darby and Don Gould. Plus Chris > > Sawtell wants to update his machine with the help of the compile farm, > > but I'm not sure I count that as a new install, or someone requiring > > assistance. ;-) > > Well I have a need for help to get the numeric keyboard keys to work. > Upgrading to kde-3.2 stopped them working in most applications. num lock? or, more seriously, etc-update/dispatch.conf? > > > Surely there must be some others keen to do an assisted install of > > gentoo? At one stage someone proclaimed we had 6 entries. Am I missing > > someone? > > Part of the problem may well be that folks much prefer making a commitment > to a defined date. So can we get that sorted fairly soon? > > For me I'd prefer either Easter Monday, or the middle w/e of the school > holidays. Other than that please could we do the exercise sooner rather > than later - i.e. I really don't want to be doing this in June or July! I Easter Monday is out because: 1. Easter is out 2. Easter Monday is not on a Saturday. > want to upgrade a huge list of packages and for me most garages are not > exactly the most comfortable of habitats in the middle of the winter. This is the guy who's son has an athlon 2500+ which must be idle 14 hours a day (school 6 hours plus sleeping 8 hours) to do distcc'ing with LOL. I am waiting 24 hours for comments before choosing the 24th April or1 May.
Re: List duplications...
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:06, Don Gould wrote: > could also be the mail rules in this client causing duplications. Outlook > 2000 g errr knew it was one end of the MS pair LOL seriously though look at the headers
Re: DATE DECIDED Gentoo Installfest
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 20:44, Robert Fisher wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:22, Nick Rout wrote: > > I am waiting 24 hours for comments before choosing the 24th April or1 > > May. > > Both dates are fine with me. Executive decision made, the fest will be Saturday 1 May 2004. Any arguments, go organise your own :-) We'll probably start at 9.30 am. Unless anyone has any better ideason time (not date!) Nick.
Re: gentoofest summary of entries
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:02, Christopher Sawtell wrote: > On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:48, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: > > Would there be any problems running some of the distcc machines via a > > secondary switch (in the house) off the main switch (in the garage)? That > > way I could set up the laptops inside and out of the way. > > I can well understand you desire to have them out of harms way. > That is a consideration which should overrides any other. > > imho, a cable between two switches will probably be able to carry the > traffic provided there are not too many client machines. I would expect > that six would be no problem. A dozen or two might give network overload > problems. Part of the purpose of the day is to discover this sort of thing. unfortunately last year we spent too long getting the compile farm working and not enough time compiling LOL. We should be better off this year. I think network throughput is a big factor, but I'm not sure whether a single pipe between the two switches will create a problem. hopefully not. which reminds me: robert - do you have a dhcp server? can u set it up to dish out "static" IP addresses, ie associate a MAC address to an IP address. The reason I ask is that there will be a couple of machines to act as servers, for distfiles and portage. It would be nice to set their addresses in advance to make it easier to produce some docos on where to point the make.conf files to. Also, what is our approach to stages and binaries? Although it does not produce the most fully optimised system, I think we should go for: 1. start with stage 3. 2. use the binaries from 2004.0. People then get a system up and running quite quckly and can then concentrate on getting updated to the latest versions and/or getting packages for which there are no precompiled binaries. Thoughts and opinions welcomed.
Re: Gnomemeeting to go to QT
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:25, Derek Smithies wrote: > Hi, > recently, there was some discussion on the list about QT and GTK. > > GnomeMeeting is an up and coming desktop app that does voip. The author > wrote to the gnomemeeting list describing a forthcoming change:: > > After GnomeMeeting 1.0.2 has been released, we will start working on > GnomeMeeting 2.00 which will be based on QT. It implies a lot of work > and much rewrite, but many people have requested a QT port since the > first release of GnomeMeeting. Major companies are now moving from GTK+ > to QT, because QT is simply better, more robust, more powerful, nicer... > It is with regret that we will have to drop the current GTK+ code, but > with enthousiasm that we will start coding on the new version. Major > changes will go in the GUI, the features should approximatively stay the > same as they are now. > > See the point:: QT is the way to go for guis. > > Derek. so presumably it will then be kmeeting? or qtmeeting?
Re: Bash-2.05b
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:57, Carl Klitscher wrote: > Following on from Nicks statement... I had a similar experience a few > months ago after uninstalling OO in preparation for installing a new > version... in my case all the files (including 'hidden' ones) in my home > directory disappeared... but the directories were left untouched. After > swearing a bit I decided that it was a good opportunity to do a > format/reinstall as a) I didn't like the partition setup anyway b) a new > release of my favourite distro had come out and c) I had a new job and > wanted to get rid of the garbage associated with the old one... > > I have deleted old copies of OO by hand ever since though. (I know I should > investigate it but there are some days I just can't handle being a guinea > pig). > > Carl How have these unintalls of OOo been carried out? rpm ? apt-get? emerge? make uninstall? all of these systems have the opportunity to have uninstall scripts execute. if there is one floating about for OOo that deletes everything in your home directory I want to damn well know about it!!!
Re: HP Multifunction devices...
On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 23:27, Chris Hellyar wrote: > Hi-ho folks.. > > My Deskjet died last week, and although I've borrowed one, it's a load > of junk quality wise, so I've decided the time might be right for a > multi-function type printer/scanner doofer. > > I'm looking at the HP PSC2310.. The PSC2300 is listed on > www.linuxprinting.org but not the 2310, so I was wondering if anyone has > one, or has tried one under Linux? > > I'm not worried about the fiddly bits (CF reader etc) just scanning and > printing.. > > Cheers, Me. my 2210 goes fine. take a look at http://hpoj.sf.net
Re: giving up on email
of course the joke is on martin, as all such leg-pulls are to be carried out before midday. He must have forgotten the timezone differences. LOL On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 08:49:49 +1200 Carl Cerecke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Martin Bähr wrote: > > hi, > > > > spam is overwhelming, > > my spamfilter is not keeping up (only catches 50% or less) > > the rest of my inbox still gets more spam than interresting mails. > > I still remember being thoroughly fooled by your joke post last year, > about switching to python. > > Didn't catch me out this year though :-) Ditching email? Just too > unbelievable. > > Cheers, > Carl. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
gentoofest issues
1. The current version of gentoo is 2004.0. gentoo 2004.1 is tentatively scheduled for 28 April. Thanks to Luuk for pointing this out. This is of little significance to users with existing systems, as an 'emerge -u world' will pull in all new functionality. However it is of significance to installing from binaries, as we hope to do for the min-fest. This is because 2004.1 should see the release of a new set of up to date binaries for each architecture, meaning less recompilation to get a given system updated. There will also be a huge lot of downloading if we want to have all of the architecture's binaries available for the fest. Lets see, about 5G I think. So should we: a. ignore this and use 2004.0, leaving a significant amount of recompiling to do; or b. use 2004.1 and do 5G of downloading between 28 April and 1 May (assuming the release is on time, that the mirrors get them sooner rather than later, etc etc,) c. delay two weeks (I will be away on the weekend of the 8th) and do 2004.1 at a more leisurely pace? 2. there was a 2, but i have forgotten what it was :-( -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Launguage Classes...
probably not, but there is plenty of tutorials on python on the web. go to python.org. same applies to most languages, its finding the good tutorials thats the problem. On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:25:48 +1200 Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone know if there's much in the way of training in Christchurch for some > of these languages we've been talking about this morning? > > Cheers Don -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: autorespond thing
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 14:29:56 +1200 Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 2. 'read requests' are a part of the basic mail format, so > > why they should > > > be causing anyone a problem is a bit of a worry. > > > errr which rfc don? read receipts are a pita especially on a mailing list. turn it off. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: autorespond thing
On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:19, Roger Searle wrote: > It's very easy to set up mozilla to do this - one of the things I've > managed successfully on this learning curve ;-) > > It's simply a matter of moving the email folders to a fat32 partition > first. On a windows machines, that's from something like c:\program > files\mozilla.org\mozilla\default\\mail which contains various > folders including pop. and smtp. - copy the whole > mozilla folder. then in mozilla, in the mail and newsgroup account > settings, server settings, make the "local directory" entry point to the > folder in the new location called pop.. Also do the similar > thing for the "local folders" "local directory". Restart mozilla and > you're away. Under linux the path is a little bit different of course > because you'll have the fat32 partition mounted somewhere, so you just > use those mounted paths. > > So easy, I can do it. > > Cheers, > Roger > > Don Gould wrote: > >2. I'd like recommendations on better mail client that I can use that's > >WIN/LINUX so that when I change over to Linux on this machine I can read > > the same mail store. > > > > Don, I thought you had a mail server? Why not leave the mail on the server and use imap? Then you can use any client, try out many clients, change as often as you like. Include a webmail system and u can read your mail from timbuktu.
Re: changing resolution on laptop
On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:35, stm23 wrote: > hi, i'm having trouble changing the resolution for my dell inspiron 600m > laptop (redhat 9) - i can only get 800x600. if i try & change it via > "display settings" say to 1400x1050, i am told to log out for the changes > to take effect. i do this, but the resolution is still 800x600. does any1 > know how i can change this? - 800 x 600 is pretty limiting. > cheers, sam standard laptop procedure: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ choose dell. choose one of the three inspirion 600M links, the first one seems to deal with it. http://paradoxinc.net/inspiron.html
DATE MOVED gentoo installfest.
OK a further executive decsion - we will move this to 15 May. This is primarily for the following reasons: Imminent release of the next gentoo release around the time of our original date of 1 May. 2 people not able to make it on the 1st (Yuri de Groot and Chris Darby) So, 15 May 9.00 am for those bringing machines for the compile farm 9.30 am for those who want to install on their own machine. 110 Queenspark Drive. Further instructions on what you need to bring in a later post.
Re: changing resolution on laptop
No, its 1400x1050 screen according to the web page I referred him to. The third link on the 600M had a sample XFree86Config file. I suggest backing up the one you have then copying the one off the web page. Jeez can't people read any more? On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 07:48, InfoHelp wrote: > It is possible that you can't. > RH may have detected the maximum capability of your screen - defaulting > back to that (800x600) after your attempts to change resolutions. > Online specs of the screen say what? > Have you tested higher res's under Windoze? > > stm23 wrote: > >hi, nick thanx for yr reply. it's funny i'd just been looking at those > > same pages before i sent my email. the paradoxinc.net/inspiron.html page > > only seems to talk about the monitor with regards to installation, but > > i've had it installed for months now. i'm still not sure how i can > > change the resolution.. > > > >>= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] = > >> > >>On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:35, stm23 wrote: > >>>hi, i'm having trouble changing the resolution for my dell inspiron 600m > >>>laptop (redhat 9) - i can only get 800x600. if i try & change it via > >>>"display settings" say to 1400x1050, i am told to log out for the > >>> changes to take effect. i do this, but the resolution is still > >>> 800x600. does any1 know how i can change this? - 800 x 600 is pretty > >>> limiting. cheers, sam > >> > >>standard laptop procedure: > >> > >>http://www.linux-laptop.net/ > >> > >>choose dell. choose one of the three inspirion 600M links, the first one > > > >seems > > > >>to deal with it. > >> > >> > >>http://paradoxinc.net/inspiron.html
Debugging kernel panic on boot
I am having a kernel panic on booting an iso via vmware, ie I built the iso and when it boots there is a kernel panic. There are a whole lot of erroro messages thta precede this, but of course I am unable to read them as they flash by too quick, and the system does not boot to the point where I can run dmesg. Is there any way of getting to see the kernel error messages?
Re: Debugging kernel panic on boot
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:28, Matthew Gregan wrote: > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 06:18:25PM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: > > Is there any way of getting to see the kernel error messages? > > Use the serial port. Since you're using VMWare, just add a serial port > that will log to a file to your virtual machine configuration. RTFM to > learn how to redirect kernel output to a serial port, > > -mjg smart :-) thanks
Re: Debugging kernel panic on boot
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 19:40, Nick Rout wrote: > On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:28, Matthew Gregan wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 04, 2004 at 06:18:25PM +1200, Nick Rout wrote: > > > Is there any way of getting to see the kernel error messages? > > > > Use the serial port. Since you're using VMWare, just add a serial port > > that will log to a file to your virtual machine configuration. RTFM to > > learn how to redirect kernel output to a serial port, > > > > -mjg > > smart :-) > > thanks worked well. not sure if the output actually helped me, but at least i was able to read it ...
Re: Debugging kernel panic on boot
On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:34, Derek Smithies wrote: > Hi, > better yet, STFW. > > And, you can use this method to debug any kernel panic, it is not > restricted to just at boot time. > > Derek. hard to stfw if the messages flashed past before you could read them... or have i missed the point of your post?
Re: Debugging kernel panic on boot
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 10:21:35 +1200 (NZST) Derek Smithies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > You might have missed the point - but it was a terse email. > > Search the web (STFW) for serial console kernel debugging. Oh yeah sorry, I found that easily once it was pointed out by Matthew that serial logging was the way to go. As i was working in vmware the easiest way was to set up the serial port in the virtual machine to be a file, which i could then peruse at leisure. I found the correct parameters to pass to the kernel by doing exactly what you & Matthew suggested, searching the fine web :-) I tend to set up headless boxes with serial consoles these days so I can just plug the laptop in and don't have to fossick around for a monitor and keyboard when/if something goes wrong. > > You have a second machine with a serial console program running. > The serial port of the second machine and the suspect machine are > connected by a serial cross over cable. > > There are several serial console programs you can use. Some log > all incoming text - so that when the text flashes past, you are OK> > > Derek. > ===== > > On Sun, 4 Apr 2004, Nick Rout wrote: > > > On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 21:34, Derek Smithies wrote: > > > Hi, > > > better yet, STFW. > > > > > > And, you can use this method to debug any kernel panic, it is not > > > restricted to just at boot time. > > > > > > Derek. > > > > hard to stfw if the messages flashed past before you could read them... > > > > or have i missed the point of your post? > > > > > > > > -- > Derek Smithies Ph.D. This PC runs pine on linux for email > IndraNet Technologies Ltd. If you find a virus apparently from > me, it has > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]forged the e-mail headers on someone > else's machine > ph +64 3 365 6485 Please do not notify me when > (apparently) receiving a > Web: http://www.indranet-technologies.com/ windows virus from me.. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: autorespond thing
what do you mean "offline" - do you mean when your internet connection is down, or when the client computer is disconnected from the lan? is it a laptop or something? If it is truly disconnected from the lan a lot, then mozilla is a good choice, as pointed to by someone else. You need to put the mailstore on the windows partition, and it really needs to be vfat not ntfs. but someone else has given you that info i think... On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:16:29 +1200 Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 1:16 PM > > Don, I thought you had a mail server? Why not leave the mail > > on the server and > > use imap? > > Yes. > > > Then you can use any client, try out many clients, change as > > often as you > > like. Include a webmail system and u can read your mail from timbuktu. > > I also need mail off line because I'm not always able to connect to the > server... usually when I most need to look up something useful is when I'm > least able to get to the mail server. > > > Cheers Don -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: DATE MOVED gentoo installfest.
yes it is a useful summary, but the following two lines simply do not reconcile: " I've managed to take the standard 20-30 hour installation and bring it down to about 2-3 hours of time." "Once you have completed that, you should begin emerging packages. The packages I would emerge would be as followed: XFREE" I dunno what sort of machine he thinks hes compiling on, but xfree does not compile with distcc, so methinks he is dreaming. Unless there is something I am missing on that site about using the precompiled binaries... On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:30:29 +1200 Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sunday 04 April 2004 18:15, Jason Greenwood wrote: > > GENTOO Linux: Your Friendly Quick Installation Guide > > OS News - USA > > Summary: Doug Swain takes a look at the Gentoo Linux installation and > > offers a quicker guide than the available online documentation of the > > distro. > > > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6589 > > > > May be helpful for you guys??? > > Possibly, possibly not. > > While an edited version of the 70 page tome from Gentoo Central Command is > very desirable this truly microscopic document of just a dozen or three > useful lines is really no more that an aid to memory for the seasoned > installer. It assumes you know exactly what you are doing before you start. > Only 3 lines on how to configure and install a kernel! Need I say more? > > The Quick Install Reference at:- > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml > > is in a similar vein, but seems slightly more informative. It actually shows > you how to create you lilo or grub config files. > > While not in the same league as Linux From Scratch, one of the Gentoo goals is > to be an effective learning experience. The aforementioned tome is part and > parcel of achieving that goal. In my experience it is effective. > > -- > Sincerely etc. > Christopher Sawtell > > NB. This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, > it has forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. > Please do not notify me when this occurs. Thanks. -- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
