RE: New Step

2002-12-04 Thread Trevor Stuart
Many thanks!

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It was updated yesterday.  The old version was no longer accurate so it
was removed.  Please look at the new version (with a different
filename).

On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Trevor Stuart wrote:

 I just went to swot up on the Llama's excellent work-piece, only to
find
 it is missing! Have I got the wrong url (see below)?
 Many thanks to one and all,
 Trevor

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 Subject: Re: New Step


 On 11/18/2002 10:01 PM, someone claiming to be Nobody wrote:
  Thanks to Net Llama! we now have a Step on Playing all Quicktime
 movies natively in Linux.
  You may find this step at http://www.linux-sxs.org/qt_MPlayer.html
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 Interesting.
 But for $25, I'll stick with using Crossover Plugin and Quicktime.
 Although, I don't see where NetLlama's technique is any more native
 than Codeweavers'. Both rely on Wine and Quicktime DLLs. The main
 difference is that Lonnie's technique is essentially free, and more
 difficult to configure.

 Regards,
 Tim


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PDF detailing the use of OSS by the govt

2002-12-04 Thread DOUGLAS HUNLEY
http://www.egovos.org/pdf/dodfoss.pdf


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Re: CD burner: Sony-Supported under linux?

2002-12-04 Thread Bob Raymond
On Sunday 01 December 2002 05:15 am, Net Llama! wrote:
 Its also interesting to note that Linus personally removed all of the
 scsi emulation crap from a very recent 2.5.x kernel.  None of this
 voodoo will be neccesary in 2.6.x kernels.

Do you happen to know what version of cdrtools allows ATAPI?  I'm using 
cdrecord 1.11a40, and kernel 2.5.50bk3, no SCSI emulation, but cdrecord 
-scanbus comes up empty.  I'd use SCSI emulation but IDE-SCSI won't compile.

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USB printer + 2.5.50

2002-12-04 Thread Bob Raymond
Hi,

I'm recovering from a major system fsck-up (portage kept uninstalling 
everything after I'd installed it).  I'm using kernel 2.5.50bk3, because none 
of the stable kernels seemed to like my Highpoint 374 controller. and plain 
old 2.5.50 wouldn't compile.

I've got the usblp module loaded, UHCI and EHCI support in the kernel, device 
nodes created, but for some reason the printer doesn't show up.  Here's 
/proc/bus/usb/devices:

T:  Bus=04 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
B:  Alloc=  0/900 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 2.05
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms
T:  Bus=03 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
B:  Alloc=  0/900 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 2.05
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms
T:  Bus=03 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  2 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 0.00 Cls=00(ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  0
P:  Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 0.00
T:  Bus=02 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 2
B:  Alloc=  0/900 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 2.05
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms
T:  Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=480 MxCh= 6
B:  Alloc=  0/800 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 2.00 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=01 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 2.05
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=256ms

and the relevant stuff from dmesg:

ehci-hcd 00:10.3: VIA Technologies, In USB 2.0
ehci-hcd 00:10.3: irq 5, pci mem e4862000
drivers/usb/core/hcd.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1
ehci-hcd 00:10.3: USB 2.0 enabled, EHCI 1.00, driver 2002-Nov-29
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: USB hub found at 0
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: 6 ports detected
drivers/usb/host/uhci-hcd.c: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver 
v2.0
ACPI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin A of device 00:10.0 - using IRQ 11
uhci-hcd 00:10.0: VIA Technologies, In USB
uhci-hcd 00:10.0: irq 11, io base d800
drivers/usb/core/hcd.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 2
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: USB hub found at 0
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: 2 ports detected
ACPI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin B of device 00:10.1 - using IRQ 10
uhci-hcd 00:10.1: VIA Technologies, In USB (#2)
uhci-hcd 00:10.1: irq 10, io base dc00
drivers/usb/core/hcd.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 3
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: USB hub found at 0
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: 2 ports detected
ACPI: No IRQ known for interrupt pin C of device 00:10.2 - using IRQ 11
uhci-hcd 00:10.2: VIA Technologies, In USB (#3)
uhci-hcd 00:10.2: irq 11, io base e000
drivers/usb/core/hcd.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus number 4
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: USB hub found at 0
drivers/usb/core/hub.c: 2 ports detected
drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver hiddev
drivers/usb/core/usb.c: registered new driver hid
drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: v2.0:USB HID core driver

I have a /dev/printers/0 (Gentoo likes devfs) and /dev/usb/lp0 (HPOJ likes 
/dev/usb/lp0 and so do I) but ptal-init and cups can't pick up printers on 
any USB ports.  Everything was working with 2.5.44-ac2, but that had a few 
nasty bugs (like CDROM eject crashed the kernel) and would need me to redo 
module-init-tools as well.  Any ideas?

Bob Raymond
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RE: ext3 Bug in 2.4.20

2002-12-04 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA

Llama,

 I think the question is why i'd want to go back to ext2?  
 I've never had 
 any need nor desire to revert to any other filesystem since 
 using XFS. 
 the fact that you'd even have a need to do it with ext3 
 speaks volumes 
 about its lack of maturity.

How about accessing the disk with a system that doesn't have a new kernel
and can't handle the new file systems?  Would that be a good reason to go
back?  Some systems don't get updated because they aren't broken.  But they
may need access to data that is on a newer system.  I suppose the newer
system could copy the data onto a file system that the older system could
access, but that seems like an unneeded extra step to me.


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Re: Sendmail (probly FAQish)

2002-12-04 Thread Douglas J Hunley
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Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)

2002-12-04 Thread Harry G
I am running ACT! software via Crossovers Wine package rather successfully.  I 
have another user on the same computer I want to give access to the database 
file, and also a bunch of documents.

Where is the best place to put this in the filesystem?  I see a lot of places 
that might work, but I want to do this properly.  Both users will need read 
and write access, by the way.

Thank you, oh great teachers!

Harry G

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Re: gcc 3.2.1... it works.

2002-12-04 Thread m.w.chang
the stuffs in COL 3.1

m.w.chang wrote:

can you correct me? I knew you knew what I was actually talking about.. :)

errr...what's a 2.95.3 library??


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Re: gcc 3.2.1... it works.

2002-12-04 Thread m.w.chang
you meant if I install gcc-3.2.1 to my COL 3.1, recompile *JUST* the 
proftpd daemon, and it would work without problem?

maybe my example is too easy... but I am no gcc expert.

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On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:05:39AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote:

yes, but what about all those 2.95.3 libaries? can 3.2.1 gcc binaries
work with older 2.95.3 gcc librarise? I heard that 3.2.x is *not*
downward compatible. You have to go all the away...


Not my experience here.

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Re: gcc 3.2.1... it works.

2002-12-04 Thread m.w.chang
can you correct me? I knew you knew what I was actually talking about.. :)

Net Llama! wrote:

errr...what's a 2.95.3 library??

On 12/03/02 18:05, m.w.chang wrote:

yes, but what about all those 2.95.3 libaries? can 3.2.1 gcc binaries
work with older 2.95.3 gcc librarise? I heard that 3.2.x is *not*
downward compatible. You have to go all the away...



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Re: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)

2002-12-04 Thread Bill Day
/temp is uually world read/writeable.. but not a good idea..  maybe a samba
share where only system users are allowed read/write access

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Subject: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)


 I am running database program as a user. I have another user on the same
 computer I want to give access to the database file, and also a bunch of
 documents.

 Where is the best place to put this in the filesystem?  I see a lot of
places
 that might work, but I want to do this properly.  Both users will need
read
 and write access, by the way.

 TIA

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Re: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)

2002-12-04 Thread Tim Wunder
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 06:20 pm, someone claiming to be Harry G wrote:
 I am running database program as a user. I have another user on the same
 computer I want to give access to the database file, and also a bunch of
 documents.

 Where is the best place to put this in the filesystem?  I see a lot of
 places that might work, but I want to do this properly.  Both users will
 need read and write access, by the way.


Wherever you want, it's your system.
I'd put it under /home, something like /home/shared, or whatever you want to 
call it.
You could even give it its own partition and mount it on /home/shared, or just 
/shared or wherever.

I wouldn't put it under /usr, or /tmp, or /var, though, but that's just me...

HTH, 
Tim


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Re: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)

2002-12-04 Thread Ted Ozolins
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 16:36, Bill Day wrote:
 /temp is uually world read/writeable.. but not a good idea..  maybe a samba
 share where only system users are allowed read/write access

I kind of like /home/public to share files with other users and /home/common 
to house joint projects but then I'm known for doing things a little difG

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Re: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)

2002-12-04 Thread kwall
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 05:01:51PM -0500, Harry G wrote:
 I am running ACT! software via Crossovers Wine package rather successfully.  I 
 have another user on the same computer I want to give access to the database 
 file, and also a bunch of documents.
 
 Where is the best place to put this in the filesystem?  I see a lot of places 
 that might work, but I want to do this properly.  Both users will need read 
 and write access, by the way.

If you want to adhere to the FHS, my interpretation of that tome
says /opt is the right place. Judge for yourself, however:

http://www.pathname.com/fhs/2.2/

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Re: gcc 3.2.1... it works.

2002-12-04 Thread kwall
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 07:00:22AM +0800, m.w.chang wrote:
 you meant if I install gcc-3.2.1 to my COL 3.1, recompile *JUST* the 
 proftpd daemon, and it would work without problem?

Yes, that's what I meant.

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Re: gcc 3.2.1... it works.

2002-12-04 Thread m.w.chang
does it apply to everything? how about those that uses dynamic
libraries? I was unable to update libstdc++. If I keep the old one,
everyting will still work fine??

I am quite onfused by the library (not DLL) hell. I built libraries  for
Foxpro applications. But whenever the Foxpro was upgrade, everything got
recompiled and everything would work without problem. It's not that
simple for linux, with so many distributions and ways of packaging.

 you meant if I install gcc-3.2.1 to my COL 3.1, recompile *JUST* the 
 proftpd daemon, and it would work without problem?
 Yes, that's what I meant.
 
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ftp-proxy

2002-12-04 Thread m.w.chang
anyone read the ftp-proxy article in november issue of linux journal?
do I need that with the capabilities of proftpd? I don't find any thing 
special... that thing is more suitable for wu-ftpd.

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CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Joel Hammer
I am getting set to finally burn some cd's.  I have a 48 speed CD-R
drive. I have only a vague idea what that means.

Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing:

==man cdrecord on speed
speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an
integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150
KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is
present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED
environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you
should try speed=0.
=end man cdrecord on speed===

I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for
setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set
the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or
50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32.

Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed?

I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor.

Any insight appreciated,

Joel

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Re: ftp-proxy

2002-12-04 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
I would think you wouldn't need a proxy unless you're trying to go through 
a firewall and need something to translate local addresses or serve as your 
proxy system.

 anyone read the ftp-proxy article in november issue of linux journal?
 do I need that with the capabilities of proftpd? I don't find any thing
 special... that thing is more suitable for wu-ftpd.
 

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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
I think you'll find that the 48 is the speed at which it reads.  The unit 
writes at a slower speed - how slow depends on the unit itself (the bus 
it's on like IDE, SCSI, and how well made it is and the computer.  Usually 
the write speed is lower like 1,2,8,12x.

What is important is a speed at which it produces good CDs and this may be 
lower than what the vendor says is max spped.

 I am getting set to finally burn some cd's.  I have a 48 speed CD-R
 drive. I have only a vague idea what that means.
 
 Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing:
 
 ==man cdrecord on speed
 speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an
 integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150
 KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is
 present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED
 environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you
 should try speed=0.
 =end man cdrecord on speed===
 
 I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for
 setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set
 the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or
 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32.
 
 Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed?
 
 I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor.
 
 Any insight appreciated,
 
 Joel

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Re:CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Joel Hammer wrote

 I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for
 setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set
 the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or
 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32.

 Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed?

 I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor.

 Any insight appreciated,


I expect  that max burn speed is a  function of the version of cdrecord
on your system.  The max I can burn on eDesk 2.4 using the original
version of XCDroast is 8X with a Plextor 40x burner.  Using XCDRoast
alpha10 with Libranet on the same system I burn at 40x - maximum speed
of my Plextor.
I also take care to select blank CD's that are rated for 40x burning.
I've had very good luck with Fuji - haven't made a coaster yet.

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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Joel Hammer
Just for the record,

The Sony 48x CR-R, 24x CR-RW, 48x CD-ROM (CRX215E1) works just fine in
linux, at least with CD-R data and CD-ROM. I used the latest cdrtools
(cdrecord, version 1.8 and mkisofs version 1.12.) It writes a cd (580
mbytes) in about 220 seconds or less with speed set to 40 and reported speed
of 32. 

The StepByStep on burners is pretty complete.

Some observations:

Ahh..  The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this
working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules
is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi
pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. 

Although it took only about an hour or less to get it working in windows,
the Sony supplied software was so GUIish it was awful to use.

The command line cdrecord and mkisofs are a pleasure. The man documents
are intimidating.  They are well covered in:

http://wt.xpilot.org/publications/linux/howtos/cd-writing/html/CD-Writing.html#toc3

And, linux is just more robust. Windows crashed once writing to this
drive. Linux soldiered on burning at x32, even when a rogue top
command was using up 95% or more of my cpu time and the mouse was
virtually frozen. 

If you interrupt the program while it is burning, the drive seems to stay
busy. Instead of rebooting, just unplug the power cord to the drive in
the computer.

Joel

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 09:00:03PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
 I am getting set to finally burn some cd's.  I have a 48 speed CD-R
 drive. I have only a vague idea what that means.
 
 Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing:
 
 ==man cdrecord on speed
 speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an
 integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150
 KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is
 present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED
 environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you
 should try speed=0.
 =end man cdrecord on speed===
 
 I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for
 setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set
 the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or
 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32.
 
 Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed?
 
 I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor.
 
 Any insight appreciated,
 
 Joel
 
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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Net Llama!
Additionally the media you're burning to has a speed rating.

On 12/04/02 18:06, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:

I think you'll find that the 48 is the speed at which it reads.  The unit 
writes at a slower speed - how slow depends on the unit itself (the bus 
it's on like IDE, SCSI, and how well made it is and the computer.  Usually 
the write speed is lower like 1,2,8,12x.

What is important is a speed at which it produces good CDs and this may be 
lower than what the vendor says is max spped.

I am getting set to finally burn some cd's.  I have a 48 speed CD-R
drive. I have only a vague idea what that means.

Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing:

==man cdrecord on speed
speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an
integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150
KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is
present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED
environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you
should try speed=0.
=end man cdrecord on speed===

I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for
setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set
the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or
50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32.

Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed?

I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor.

Any insight appreciated,

Joel




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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Joel Hammer
You are right. On the package it says: 1X to 32X.

I guess that explains my top speed of 32.

Joel

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 06:39:54PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote:
 Additionally the media you're burning to has a speed rating.
 
  setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set
  the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or
  50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32.
  
  Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed?
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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Brett I. Holcomb


 Just for the record,
 
 
 Ahh..  The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this
 working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules
 is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi
 pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this.

No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G.  Real SCSI just works G.  
Another reason I stick with real SCSI!

 
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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Joel Hammer
The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their
heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist?

Joel

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
 
 
  Just for the record,
  
  
  Ahh..  The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this
  working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules
  is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi
  pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this.
 
 No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G.  Real SCSI just works G.  
 Another reason I stick with real SCSI!
 
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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Bob Raymond
On Thursday 05 December 2002 03:15 am, Joel Hammer wrote:
 The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their
 heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist?

No, the men in CompUSA and BestBuy do not exist.  Of course SCSI CDROM's 
exist.  I just can't afford a controller ;-)


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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Net Llama!
Of course they exist, but BestBuy  CompUSA isn't where you go to find a 
decent selection of quality hardware.

On 12/04/02 19:15, Joel Hammer wrote:
The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their
heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist?

Joel

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:



 Just for the record,
 
 
 Ahh..  The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this
 working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules
 is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi
 pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this.

No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G.  Real SCSI just works G.  
Another reason I stick with real SCSI!

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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Yes, they do - check out Plextor for one, most others make them.   I buy 
them for performance. However, morons such as work at BestBuy and CompUSA 
can't be expected to know about them.  The only reason they IDE is they've 
seen it on enough boxes for it to sink into their little brains.  If you 
want to find real equipment you won't find it at these places - or if you 
do no one will know what it is.


 The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their
 heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist?
 
 Joel
 
 On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
 
 
  Just for the record,
  
  
  Ahh..  The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get
  this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use
  modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year,
  another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this.
 
 No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G.  Real SCSI just works G.
 Another reason I stick with real SCSI!


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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Net Llama!
Indeed.  SCSI hardware is traditionally used in servers.  People don't 
purchase components for servers at BestBuy.  Look on pricewatch.com or 
pricegrabber.com for good prices on namebrand components.

On 12/04/02 19:24, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
Yes, they do - check out Plextor for one, most others make them.   I buy 
them for performance. However, morons such as work at BestBuy and CompUSA 
can't be expected to know about them.  The only reason they IDE is they've 
seen it on enough boxes for it to sink into their little brains.  If you 
want to find real equipment you won't find it at these places - or if you 
do no one will know what it is.


The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their
heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist?

Joel

On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:



 Just for the record,
 
 
 Ahh..  The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get
 this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use
 modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year,
 another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this.

No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G.  Real SCSI just works G.
Another reason I stick with real SCSI!




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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
I got so I used SCSI for my workstations.  It was worth the extra cost to 
get the performance and ease of use.


 Indeed.  SCSI hardware is traditionally used in servers.  People don't
 purchase components for servers at BestBuy.  Look on pricewatch.com or
 pricegrabber.com for good prices on namebrand components.
 
 On 12/04/02 19:24, Brett I. Holcomb wrote:
 Yes, they do - check out Plextor for one, most others make them.   I buy
 them for performance. However, morons such as work at BestBuy and CompUSA
 can't be expected to know about them.  The only reason they IDE is
 they've
 seen it on enough boxes for it to sink into their little brains.  If you
 want to find real equipment you won't find it at these places - or if you
 do no one will know what it is.
 
 
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gnucash...g-wrap

2002-12-04 Thread Ted Ozolins
Since the latest gnucash was released, I thought of give it a try. As it seems 
that I was missing g-wrap I downkoaded the source and tried to compile it 
only to bomb out with the following error:::

-- making all in g-wrap
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap'
guile -c \
  (set! %load-path (cons \/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap/..\ 
%load-path))(debug-enable 'backtrace) \
(debug-enable 'debug) \
(read-enable 'positions) \
(use-modules (g-wrap)) \
(use-modules (g-wrap gw-standard-spec)) \
(gw:generate-wrapset \gw-standard\)
Backtrace:
36* (if (or # #) (try-load-module name))
37  [try-load-module (ice-9 slib)]
38  (or (try-module-linked name) (try-module-autoload name) ...)
39* [try-module-autoload (ice-9 slib)]
40  (let* (# # # #) (resolve-module dir-hint-module-name #f) (and # #))
...
41  (let ((didit #f)) (dynamic-wind (lambda () #) (lambda () #) ...) ...)
42* [dynamic-wind #procedure () #procedure () #procedure ()]
43* [#procedure ()]
44* (let ((full #)) (if full (begin # #)))
45  (if full (begin (save-module-excursion (lambda () #)) (set! didit #t)))
46  (begin (save-module-excursion (lambda () #)) (set! didit #t))
47* [save-module-excursion #procedure ()]
48  (let (# #) (dynamic-wind # thunk #))
49  [dynamic-wind #procedure () #procedure () #procedure ()]
50* [#procedure ()]
51* [primitive-load /usr/share/guile/1.4.1/ice-9/slib.scm]
52* (define slib-parent-dir (let (#) (if path # #)))
53* (let ((path #)) (if path (make-shared-substring path 0 ...) ...))
54  (if path (make-shared-substring path 0 ...) ...)
...
55  [scm-error misc-error #f ...]

ERROR: In procedure scm-error in expression (scm-error (quote misc-error) #f 
..):
ERROR: Could not find slib/require.scm in  (/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap/.. 
/usr/share/guile/site /usr/share/guile/1.4.1 /usr/share/guile .)
make[2]: *** [gw-standard.c] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2'
make: *** [all] Error 2
root@crash:/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2#
root@crash:/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2#

What else am I missing??

TIA


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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread kwall
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 06:39:54PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote:
 Additionally the media you're burning to has a speed rating.

Great point -- I've created more than a few coasters at work
because I neglected to heed the speed rating of the blanks...

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Re: gnucash...g-wrap

2002-12-04 Thread kwall
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 07:55:47PM -0800, Ted Ozolins wrote:
 Since the latest gnucash was released, I thought of give it a try. As it seems 
 that I was missing g-wrap I downkoaded the source and tried to compile it 
 only to bomb out with the following error:::
 
 -- making all in g-wrap
 make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap'
 guile -c \
   (set! %load-path (cons \/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap/..\ 
 %load-path))(debug-enable 'backtrace) \
 (debug-enable 'debug) \
 (read-enable 'positions) \
 (use-modules (g-wrap)) \
 (use-modules (g-wrap gw-standard-spec)) \
 (gw:generate-wrapset \gw-standard\)

[Scheme backtrace elided]

Lordy. I haven't seen this kind of dump in, in, uh, way too long.

 ERROR: In procedure scm-error in expression (scm-error (quote misc-error) #f 
 ...):
 ERROR: Could not find slib/require.scm in  (/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap/.. 
 /usr/share/guile/site /usr/share/guile/1.4.1 /usr/share/guile .)
 make[2]: *** [gw-standard.c] Error 2
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2/g-wrap'
 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2'
 make: *** [all] Error 2
 root@crash:/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2#
 root@crash:/usr/src/g-wrap-1.3.2#
 
 What else am I missing??

The Scheme file require.scm, apparently stored in slib.

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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread kwall
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:15:35PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote:
 The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their
 heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist?

The guys at BestBuy and CompUSA are idiots. SCSI CD-ROMs better exist,
or a lot of workstations at my office don't...

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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread kwall
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 07:21:24PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote:
 Of course they exist, but BestBuy  CompUSA isn't where you go to find a 
 decent selection of quality hardware.

Or a decent selection of knowledgeable sales personnel. ;-)

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Re: gnucash...g-wrap

2002-12-04 Thread Ted Ozolins
On Wednesday 04 December 2002 20:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 The Scheme file require.scm, apparently stored in slib.

 Kurt
Hehe, I've compiled a lot of progs over the last year or so and believe me 
this is the first time I've seen anything like this. This is a known problem 
and in order to fix guile's short-comings one has to jump through a couple of 
dozen flaming hoops and shake a chicken leg or two to create that dang 
require.scm Well, I guess I'd better stop by a chicken farm. (Its a good 
thing that its only chicken legs and not pigs feet,  'cause up here pig farms 
are now bad karma)

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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-04 Thread Ralph Sanford
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 20:15, Joel Hammer wrote:
 The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their
 heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist?
 
 Joel
 

Plextor definitely has the best reputation, their latest scsi cdrw being
a 12/10/32 or something like that and their scsi cdrom was 40x.

HP, where you can still find their older scsi cdrw, had 12/8/32 that was
available as either an internal or external unit.

Yamaha makes a scsi 16/10/40 as either an internal or external. 
Recently Yamaha came out with scsi 48/24/48 or thereabouts.

I have HP and Yamaha cdrw that are used in light to moderate burning (10
to 20 cd a month) and both brands have worked fine.

If you are not looking for a burner, then consider the Toshiba sd-1401 a
scsi dvd - 10x and cdrom - 40x, costs more than just a cdrom but great
for loading the distro directly off of the DVD.  This unit can be hard
to find, but I did find another new one a few months ago.

As others have already suggested try pricewatch, and also consider ebay
if you are willing to play that game.  Recently Plextor and Yamaha had
refurbished scsi cdrw drives that were available at some of the sellers
listed on pricewatch.

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