Re: gentoo again

2002-12-06 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:25:12 -0800
Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
?
 
 A while back there was a post on the gentoo mail list that a fonts dir 
 location was missing in X and had to be edited. I can not remember exactly
 
 what that was.  A search of gentoo lists should get you that info. I'll
 look for it later and if I locate that post I'll forward it to you. I had
 to add the resolutions to my XF86Config after configuring X which I
 thought was rather odd. We must keep in mind that it is a release
 candidate so there is bound to be a couple of glitches along the way.

What suprised me about that was what X itself did. Without resolutions
defined, I expected 640x480, not some very high resolution. I wonder if my
display would have survived after a bit of time.

I do like the Gentoo approach. But I will be glad when a new stable release
is available. I am suprised at how many things are masked.

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Re: gentoo again

2002-12-06 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:58:12 -0500
Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Doesn't X use a standard set of mode lines if it can't find any.  And I 
 believe it selects the highest res that is allowed.

How does it determine the highest allowed for the display? My display is PnP
(it gets the name and model from the display itself). Does it get
information about this as well?

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Re: Exim, Anyone

2002-12-06 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 23:57:56 -0500
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 ANyone here used Exim? What are your opinions of it, if so? It seems
 easier to configure thatn Sendmail.

I used Exim for a number of years. It is easier to configure, for the most
part. My only complaint was that things like majordomo were a bit of a
hassle to set up. I think it was mainly that the method was poorly
documented. I did get it to work, but there was a lot of trial and error.
One thing I like about exim is the X-based GUI to keep track of the mail
queue. Of course. you get the same via webmin for the sendmail queue, IIRC.

The main reason we used exim was that the SVR4 mailer was sloppy about mail
relaying. It was our only complaint against it. It was easier to get exim up
and running on the UnixWare box then sendmail. Of course, after it was too
late (we had done the exim work) SCO did a sendmail for UnixWare.

We just changed the mail server that was running exim from UnixWare to
Linux. For now, we are using sendmail to see how it works. So far no
complaints. But we are not doing anything unusual - yet.

So, overall, exim is a nice replacement for sendmail. And the command line
is the same, so it can, by design, be a drop-in replacement for sendmail.

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Re: [linux-elitists] 5:00 pm EST Friday 6 December 2002 is theDeadline for Comments to the FCC Regarding the Digital Flag Mandate

2002-12-06 Thread m.w.chang
looks more like another national security measure. don't think you could 
stop it...

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Re: gentoo again

2002-12-06 Thread Collins
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 08:40:25 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 07:25:12 -0800
 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ?
  
  A while back there was a post on the gentoo mail list that a fonts
  dir location was missing in X and had to be edited. I can not
  remember exactly
  
  what that was.  A search of gentoo lists should get you that info.
  I'll look for it later and if I locate that post I'll forward it
  to you. I had to add the resolutions to my XF86Config after
  configuring X which I thought was rather odd. We must keep in mind
  that it is a release candidate so there is bound to be a couple of
  glitches along the way.
 
 What suprised me about that was what X itself did. Without
 resolutions defined, I expected 640x480, not some very high
 resolution. I wonder if my display would have survived after a bit
 of time.
 
 I do like the Gentoo approach. But I will be glad when a new stable
 release is available. I am suprised at how many things are masked.
 

Even after the new stable release a lot of things will be effectively
masked.  Gentoo has now moved to a stable vs. development
philosophy, and packages will move into the stable designation more
slowly.

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Server Locks Up

2002-12-06 Thread Shannon Scott

Hello,
I have a webserver ( Apache 1.3.20 with Tomcat 4.0.4 :: RedHat 7.2 ) that
keeps locking up.  The clock doesn't change, and if the screensaver is on,
it freezes. It began yesterday, and has happened 3 times within the last 24
hours.  I am thinking that it may be a hardware problem, but I don't know
how to diagnose this problem.  I reboot... then everything works fine for
several hours.  Pieces of the messages file after a reboot are attached.  I
don't know if it is significant.
Any pointers or advice on what to look for or docs to check out is greatly
appreciated.
Thank You
Shannon

Dec  5 13:50:01 saco kernel: ENOMEM in journal_get_undo_access_R3681ed4a, retrying.
Dec  5 13:55:09 saco kernel: ENOMEM in journal_get_undo_access_R3681ed4a, retrying.
Dec  5 13:55:15 saco kernel: ENOMEM in do_get_write_access, retrying.
Dec  5 13:55:20 saco kernel: ENOMEM in do_get_write_access, retrying.
Dec  5 13:57:01 saco kernel: ENOMEM in journal_get_undo_access_R3681ed4a, retrying.
Dec  5 13:57:27 saco kernel: ENOMEM in journal_get_undo_access_R3681ed4a, retrying.


Dec  5 14:08:03 saco kernel: ENOMEM in journal_get_undo_access_R3681ed4a, retrying.
Dec  5 14:08:17 saco sshd(pam_unix)[2263]: session opened for user klam by (uid=0)
Dec  5 14:08:55 saco kernel: ENOMEM in journal_get_undo_access_R3681ed4a, retrying.
Dec  5 14:09:56 saco last message repeated 2 times
Dec  5 14:11:54 saco last message repeated 3 times
Dec  5 14:12:13 saco last message repeated 2 times
Dec  5 14:12:23 saco kernel: ENOMEM in do_get_write_access, retrying.
Dec  5 14:13:06 saco sshd(pam_unix)[2262]: session closed for user dlum
Dec  5 14:13:19 saco kernel: ENOMEM in journal_get_undo_access_R3681ed4a, retrying.
Dec  5 14:13:24 saco kernel: ENOMEM in do_get_write_access, retrying.
Dec  5 14:13:41 saco last message repeated 3 times
Dec  5 14:13:49 saco su(pam_unix)[2324]: session opened for user root by klam(uid=603)
Dec  5 14:26:20 saco syslogd 1.4.1: restart.


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Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Collins wrote:
 Anyway, the only reason I replied is to p---off the prima donas who
 only speak SCSI.


huh??

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Re: Exim, Anyone

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
I use it every day.  Its miles more user friendly than Sendmail.  Once you
use Exim you'll never be able to go back to Sendmail again.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ANyone here used Exim? What are your opinions of it, if so? It seems
 easier to configure thatn Sendmail.

 thanks,

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Re: Exim, Anyone

2002-12-06 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:27:28 -0500 (EST)
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I use it every day.  Its miles more user friendly than Sendmail.  Once you
 use Exim you'll never be able to go back to Sendmail again.

I agree with what you have said. However, I have not updated it since
release 3.16. Have you set up any anti-virus with it? Or a mailing list? I
have read that newer releases have changed some of the config syntax. I
wonder if this has been improved for things like adding extensions (virus
scans, lists, etc). What do you think?


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Re: Server Locks Up

2002-12-06 Thread David A. Bandel
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begin  Shannon Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

 

Your messages suggest you either have:
run out of room on your disk partition (check both freespace and inodes)
or
your drive is going bad

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Re: Exim, Anyone

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
 On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:27:28 -0500 (EST)
 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I use it every day.  Its miles more user friendly than Sendmail.  Once you
  use Exim you'll never be able to go back to Sendmail again.

 I agree with what you have said. However, I have not updated it since
 release 3.16. Have you set up any anti-virus with it? Or a mailing list? I

No to the anti-virus, since all of the users are expected to either:
1) Use an intelligent OS that isn't vulnerable to viri
2) Run their own anti-virus software

As for the mailing list, yes, its been setup with Mailman, and it works
fine.

 have read that newer releases have changed some of the config syntax. I
 wonder if this has been improved for things like adding extensions (virus
 scans, lists, etc). What do you think?

I'm running 3.33.

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Re: Server Locks Up

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
Yup, that's what you get for sending HTML email to the list.  PLease try
again with plaintext.  Thanks, and have a nice day.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Shannon Scott wrote:



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Re: Exim, Anyone

2002-12-06 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:03:50 -0500 (EST)
Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
  On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 09:27:28 -0500 (EST)
  Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I use it every day.  Its miles more user friendly than Sendmail.  Once
   you use Exim you'll never be able to go back to Sendmail again.
 
  I agree with what you have said. However, I have not updated it since
  release 3.16. Have you set up any anti-virus with it? Or a mailing list?
  I
 
 No to the anti-virus, since all of the users are expected to either:
 1) Use an intelligent OS that isn't vulnerable to viri
 2) Run their own anti-virus software

We currently have those clueless OS users run their own. Seems that has not
been working out very well. If they are clueless enough to run such an OS,
do you really want to trust what they send out on the network they are on?
So, we decided that we want an e-mail scanner for in- and outgoing mail that
we can be sure works (as good as these things actually do), without trusting
that each person gets it right.

 As for the mailing list, yes, its been setup with Mailman, and it works
 fine.

I remember that majordomo was a bit of a pain. It could just have been that
I did not become one with the config.

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OT Re: Server Locks Up

2002-12-06 Thread Tim Wunder
On 12/6/2002 10:01 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:

Yup, that's what you get for sending HTML email to the list.  PLease try
again with plaintext.  Thanks, and have a nice day.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Shannon Scott wrote:





Hmm, his message didn't come thru as HTML to me...


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Re: OT Re: Server Locks Up

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Tim Wunder wrote:
 On 12/6/2002 10:01 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
  Yup, that's what you get for sending HTML email to the list.  PLease try
  again with plaintext.  Thanks, and have a nice day.
 
  On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Shannon Scott wrote:
 
 
 

 Hmm, his message didn't come thru as HTML to me...

I assumed HTML, since plaintext should have been quoted in the reply, and
i got nothing.

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Re: OT Re: Server Locks Up

2002-12-06 Thread Shannon Scott
I selected plain text...
My apologies.
Shannon


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 10:18 AM
Subject: OT Re: Server Locks Up


 On 12/6/2002 10:01 AM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
  Yup, that's what you get for sending HTML email to the list.  PLease try
  again with plaintext.  Thanks, and have a nice day.
 
  On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Shannon Scott wrote:
 
 
 

 Hmm, his message didn't come thru as HTML to me...


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Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz

2002-12-06 Thread Lee
On Thursday 05 December 2002 23:30, Collins wrote:
 On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is
  a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants?
 
  On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following
  Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
 
  Jerry McBride wrote:
   If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002...
  
  the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought
  effects,

 Memory serves you right.  The mountain and western states had the
 worst growth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most
 especially).  I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down
 under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created
 by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests
 (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become
 tinderboxes with passage of time.

 Fire is part of the natural world's forest management technique. After every 
fire there is a revitalization of burned areas. Fire only becomes a problem 
when people with more money and greed than brains build their houses (or 
should I call them real estate investments?) in the middle of the forest. As 
for pruning the old growth,  that's just lumber industry baffle garb for 
clear cutting the old growth forest's 500 year old Douglas Fir and 1000 year 
old redwoods to make picnic tables for yuppies and more houses deeper in the 
forests.

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[InterLUG] [Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search ofConsultants and Agents in your area.

2002-12-06 Thread Consorcio Software Libre
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We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a
Consultant and/or an Agent.

http://www.fsc.cc

In the main page you will find links to subscribe as consultant and/or agent.

Free Software Consortium is a multinational consortium established to link
 the companies and the independent consultants that use and promote Free
 Software.

One of the bigger obstacles to the development of the Free Software services
market is the fear of the companies to establish contracts with independent
consultants who do not have support of a well known company, corporation or
consortium.  Questioning quality, support, experience and capability to
successfully complete a project are the companies manager's main concerns
 when considering the option of migrating their systems to Free Software.

Like you, we know the excellent quality that Free Software offers.
We have complete confidence that Free Software is going to be the platform of
the future.
That is why its so important to work and consolidate together to solve the
problem mentioned above.

Free Software Consortium intends to fill this void joining the best Free
Software companies and consultants at the national and international level.

By joining to Free Software Consortium you or your company will have the
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- From the business generated by the Free Software Consortium, the management
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Re: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)

2002-12-06 Thread Robert Black Eagle
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If you mean /tmp, you're mistaken.  All sorts of programs use it and it 
isn't used for anything except temporary files.

On Wednesday 04 December 2002 6:36 pm, Bill Day wrote:
 /temp is uually world read/writeable.. but not a good idea..  maybe a
 samba share where only system users are allowed read/write access

 Bill Day

 Linux 2.2.20-1tr i586
   6:10pm  up 1 day,  9:11,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
 We're still up at irc.openprojects.net @ #linux-users
 or irc.freenode.net @ #linux-users
 http://counter.li.org #83358
 http://sxs.daysdomain.com/

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  I am running database program as a user. I have another user on the
  same computer I want to give access to the database file, and also
  a bunch of documents.
 
  Where is the best place to put this in the filesystem?  I see a lot
  of

 places

  that might work, but I want to do this properly.  Both users will
  need

 read

  and write access, by the way.
 
  TIA
 
  Harry G
 
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Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz

2002-12-06 Thread ronnie gauthier
The logging industry has only an indirect connection to the fire
problems in the US. The extent that the commercial forest industry is
involved is that they view fire supression as saving harvestable timber
from destruction(in a selfish way, because they consider all public
timber ~theirs~). The real fire problem in this country is the result
of, as stated before, idiots building where they really have no
business living in the first place. This leads to tax based population
needing protection from nature as well as what the population considers
their natural resources that must be protected. This is not new but
an escalating problem that has rapidly accelerated in the last 50 years
as fire fighting and spotting has gotten better. Slowly the realization
is getting through that a let burn policy is best for everyone.
Nature takes care of itself just fine if allowed to operate unimpeded.

Not that the above has much to do with the problems in AU right now.

It should be obvious to most people that nature can absorb a lot of
our mistakes but when nature is stressed, it's those mistakes
that decide the severity of the natural disaster that befalls us.






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Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz

On Thursday 05 December 2002 23:30, Collins wrote:
 On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg
is  a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants?
 
  On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following
  Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
 
  Jerry McBride wrote:
   If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002...
  
  the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought
  effects,

 Memory serves you right.  The mountain and western states had the
 worst growth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most
 especially).  I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down
 under, but many people believe that the severest problems were
created by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests
 (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become
 tinderboxes with passage of time.

 Fire is part of the natural world's forest management technique.
After every fire there is a revitalization of burned areas. Fire only
becomes a problem when people with more money and greed than brains
build their houses (or should I call them real estate investments?) in
the middle of the forest. As for pruning the old growth,  that's just
lumber industry baffle garb for clear cutting the old growth forest's
500 year old Douglas Fir and 1000 year old redwoods to make picnic
tables for yuppies and more houses deeper in the forests.


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Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
Errr...this is the THIRD time i've gotten this email.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Lee wrote:

 On Thursday 05 December 2002 23:30, Collins wrote:
  On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is
   a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants?
  
   On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following
   Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
  
   Jerry McBride wrote:
If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002...
   
   the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought
   effects,
 
  Memory serves you right.  The mountain and western states had the
  worst growth and forrest fires in about 100 years (Colorado most
  especially).  I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down
  under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created
  by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests
  (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become
  tinderboxes with passage of time.
 
  Fire is part of the natural world's forest management technique. After every
 fire there is a revitalization of burned areas. Fire only becomes a problem
 when people with more money and greed than brains build their houses (or
 should I call them real estate investments?) in the middle of the forest. As
 for pruning the old growth,  that's just lumber industry baffle garb for
 clear cutting the old growth forest's 500 year old Douglas Fir and 1000 year
 old redwoods to make picnic tables for yuppies and more houses deeper in the
 forests.

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mkisofs configuration file

2002-12-06 Thread Joel Hammer
APPI=Application identifier
COPY=Copyright information.
ABST=Name of the abstract file
BIBL=Name of the bibliographic file.
PREP=Preparer Name
PUBL=Publishers name
SYSI=System identifier
VOLI=VolumeIdentifier
VOLS=VolumeSetName

man mkisofs states these items may be place in .mkisofsrc and will be
include in the cd image it creates. This works.
However, how is this information made available to the user of the CD? In
windows, VOLI appears as the title of the cd, but that is all I can find.

Any insight appreciated,

Joel

P.S. I have perused the manual(s).


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Re: Allow all access to database files (dumb newbie question)

2002-12-06 Thread Brad De Vries
Has anyone suggested taking advantage of the security
within Linux/UNIX?

Why not:
1) create a group for the project
2) add users to the group who need access to this
project
3) create a directory such as /opt/project or
/home/project or /home/projects/project
4) assign the permissions for this directory so that
only the group from #1 can read/write/etc.
5) move all project related files into the directory
and adjust permissions as appropriate
6) verify that the newly created directory(ies) are
being backed up as desired
7) celebrate that the issue is:
   a) resolved
   b) secure
   c) easily maintainable
   d) proof of concept for other projects

Once you've done a few of these types of little
projects, you start to see the benefits/drawbacks of
where you put things.  Then, hopefully, you can move
the directories and simply create symlinks.

Brad.
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 On Wednesday 04 December 2002 6:36 pm, Bill Day
 wrote:
  /temp is uually world read/writeable.. but not a
 good idea..  maybe a
  samba share where only system users are allowed
 read/write access
 
  Bill Day
 
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  Subject: Allow all access to database files (dumb
 newbie question)
 
   I am running database program as a user. I have
 another user on the
   same computer I want to give access to the
 database file, and also
   a bunch of documents.
  
   Where is the best place to put this in the
 filesystem?  I see a lot
   of
 
  places
 
   that might work, but I want to do this properly.
  Both users will
   need
 
  read
 
   and write access, by the way.
  
   TIA
  
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Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
RR  Joliet are both supported via the kernel in linux.  So, as long as
you have kernel support (and most do from the distro vendors) you should
be fine.  I can't comment on windoze, i don't use it.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Joel Hammer wrote:

 I want to burn CD's that can be used by non-linux OS's
 (win95/98/2000/XP).

 I only have win98 available with which to fool. I burned a CD with the
 Rock Ridge scheme (mkisofs -r), and that worked fine for linux but the
 win98 machine shows only the 8.3 names. (If I put the CD into the linux
 box, and share it with samba, the win98 machine sees the full name.)

 So, it seems I may need the Joliet naming convention, at least for my
 version of windows98.

 Will using the Joliet scheme cause difficulties with other flavors of
 windows or with linux?

 Thanks,
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Re: Big problems in Oz

2002-12-06 Thread Harry G
While cruising Worldnetdaily.com, I saw a link talking about the fires around 
Sydney on the BBC News page.  It is below:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2548177.stm


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Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

2002-12-06 Thread Joel Hammer
Thanks. mkisofs -J worked just as advertised, at least on windows98.

I haven't been using this software long (cdrecord, mkisofs), but, it's
really a pleasure to have a command line to burn CD's. Point and click
stuff is just too aggravating.

Does xcdroast offer any advantages?

Joel


Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:52:57PM -0500, Net Llama! wrote:
 RR  Joliet are both supported via the kernel in linux.  So, as long as
 you have kernel support (and most do from the distro vendors) you should
 be fine.  I can't comment on windoze, i don't use it.
 
 On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Joel Hammer wrote:
 
  I want to burn CD's that can be used by non-linux OS's
  (win95/98/2000/XP).
 
  I only have win98 available with which to fool. I burned a CD with the
  Rock Ridge scheme (mkisofs -r), and that worked fine for linux but the
  win98 machine shows only the 8.3 names. (If I put the CD into the linux
  box, and share it with samba, the win98 machine sees the full name.)
 
  So, it seems I may need the Joliet naming convention, at least for my
  version of windows98.
 
  Will using the Joliet scheme cause difficulties with other flavors of
  windows or with linux?
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Re: gentoo again

2002-12-06 Thread kwall
On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 08:41:51AM +0100, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
 On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:58:12 -0500
 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Doesn't X use a standard set of mode lines if it can't find any.  And I 
  believe it selects the highest res that is allowed.
 
 How does it determine the highest allowed for the display? My display is PnP
 (it gets the name and model from the display itself). Does it get
 information about this as well?

The hardcoded standard mode lines are VESA standards, to which monitors
and cards are supposed to adhere. Most, these days, do. When the server
starts, it looks for information in the config file, then uses DDC and 
VBE probes to find out about the capabilities of the card and monitor. 
If it can't get any information from the monitor, it uses the standard
mode lines and refresh rates from VESA that are hardcoded into the 
server.

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Re: mkisofs configuration file

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
Joel,
I can't really answer your question, but it might just be a lot easier to
create a README with this info in the top level dir of the CD.  I think
trying to get windoze to play by the rules is a lost cause on this.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Joel Hammer wrote:

 APPI=Application identifier
 COPY=Copyright information.
 ABST=Name of the abstract file
 BIBL=Name of the bibliographic file.
 PREP=Preparer Name
 PUBL=Publishers name
 SYSI=System identifier
 VOLI=VolumeIdentifier
 VOLS=VolumeSetName

 man mkisofs states these items may be place in .mkisofsrc and will be
 include in the cd image it creates. This works.
 However, how is this information made available to the user of the CD? In
 windows, VOLI appears as the title of the cd, but that is all I can find.

 Any insight appreciated,

 Joel

 P.S. I have perused the manual(s).


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Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

2002-12-06 Thread Net Llama!
I don't use xcdroast, i wouldn't know.  gcombust is my preferred GUI
cd-burning tool.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Joel Hammer wrote:

 Thanks. mkisofs -J worked just as advertised, at least on windows98.

 I haven't been using this software long (cdrecord, mkisofs), but, it's
 really a pleasure to have a command line to burn CD's. Point and click
 stuff is just too aggravating.

 Does xcdroast offer any advantages?

 Joel


 Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:52:57PM -0500, Net Llama! wrote:
  RR  Joliet are both supported via the kernel in linux.  So, as long as
  you have kernel support (and most do from the distro vendors) you should
  be fine.  I can't comment on windoze, i don't use it.
 
  On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Joel Hammer wrote:
 
   I want to burn CD's that can be used by non-linux OS's
   (win95/98/2000/XP).
  
   I only have win98 available with which to fool. I burned a CD with the
   Rock Ridge scheme (mkisofs -r), and that worked fine for linux but the
   win98 machine shows only the 8.3 names. (If I put the CD into the linux
   box, and share it with samba, the win98 machine sees the full name.)
  
   So, it seems I may need the Joliet naming convention, at least for my
   version of windows98.
  
   Will using the Joliet scheme cause difficulties with other flavors of
   windows or with linux?
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Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

2002-12-06 Thread Tim Wunder
I don't use xcdroast either (it's a POS, IMO), arson is my preferred CD burning GUI, but it's primarily audio focused and only recently offered data burning. I've used, and liked, cdbakeoven for data burning. Both are kde-based apps (arson is more qt-based than kde).

Regards, 
Tim

On 12/6/2002 3:10 PM, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote:
I don't use xcdroast, i wouldn't know.  gcombust is my preferred GUI
cd-burning tool.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002, Joel Hammer wrote:



Thanks. mkisofs -J worked just as advertised, at least on windows98.

I haven't been using this software long (cdrecord, mkisofs), but, it's
really a pleasure to have a command line to burn CD's. Point and click
stuff is just too aggravating.

Does xcdroast offer any advantages?



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Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

2002-12-06 Thread ronnie gauthier
ISO9660 is DOS 8.3 and 8 levels deep, requires CAPS.EXT
ISO9660+joliet is the above with the 8 level restriction gone and
support for long names, no caps. good for all win versions

On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:04:17 -0500 - Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote the following
Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

I want to burn CD's that can be used by non-linux OS's
(win95/98/2000/XP). 

I only have win98 available with which to fool. I burned a CD with the
Rock Ridge scheme (mkisofs -r), and that worked fine for linux but the
win98 machine shows only the 8.3 names. (If I put the CD into the linux
box, and share it with samba, the win98 machine sees the full name.)

So, it seems I may need the Joliet naming convention, at least for my
version of windows98.

Will using the Joliet scheme cause difficulties with other flavors of
windows or with linux?

Thanks,
Joel



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Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

2002-12-06 Thread Leon A. Goldstein
Joel Hammer wrote:

 Thanks. mkisofs -J worked just as advertised, at least on windows98.

 I haven't been using this software long (cdrecord, mkisofs), but, it's
 really a pleasure to have a command line to burn CD's. Point and click
 stuff is just too aggravating.

 Does xcdroast offer any advantages?

 Joel


It's appreciated by those of us who can't type  long lines of arcane
commands error-free.
I like XCDRoast.  I just burned a 623 MB data back-up CD with a couple
of clicks.

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Re: [patch] fix the ext3 data=journal unmount bug

2002-12-06 Thread Ken Moffat
Andrew Morton (by way of Douglas J Hunley ) wrote:


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This patch fixes the data loss which can occur when unmounting a
data=journal ext3 filesystem.

 


forgive me, but how do we apply this patch?

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Re: Joliet and Rock Ridge naming schemes

2002-12-06 Thread Joel Hammer
I do very little typing on the command line when entering commands like
this. Cut and paste and the history function do most of my typing.

Joel
Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 07:22:04PM -0500, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
 Joel Hammer wrote:
 
  Thanks. mkisofs -J worked just as advertised, at least on windows98.
 
  I haven't been using this software long (cdrecord, mkisofs), but, it's
  really a pleasure to have a command line to burn CD's. Point and click
  stuff is just too aggravating.
 
  Does xcdroast offer any advantages?
 
  Joel
 
 
 It's appreciated by those of us who can't type  long lines of arcane
 commands error-free.
 I like XCDRoast.  I just burned a 623 MB data back-up CD with a couple
 of clicks.
 
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Re: [patch] fix the ext3 data=journal unmount bug

2002-12-06 Thread David A. Bandel
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On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 16:54:44 -0800
begin  Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed forth:

 Andrew Morton (by way of Douglas J Hunley ) wrote:
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 This patch fixes the data loss which can occur when unmounting a
 data=journal ext3 filesystem.
 
   
 
 
 forgive me, but how do we apply this patch?

save the patch:
cut the text, the first line should be:
- - --- linux-akpm/fs/buffer.c~sync_fsThu Dec  5 21:33:56 2002

the last line is the - just before the signature.  Make sure you don't
wrap any lines cutting and pasting between the message and the patch file.

assuming your kernel source is /usr/src/linux, save the patch in /usr/src
as ext3.patch and cd linux

I suggest you dry-run the patch first (test it):

patch -p1 --dry-run  ../ext3.patch

If you get no failures (you will if you put the XFS patch on), then remove
the --dry-run and go again.

If you decide you don't want the patch anymore, just do:

patch -p1 -R  ../ext3.patch

and all will be reversed.


Hope I didn't obfuscate things too much. ;-)

Next lesson:  creating unified diff patches.

Ciao,

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Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz

2002-12-06 Thread Bob Hemus
Collins wrote:
 
 On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:04:09 -0600 ronnie gauthier
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If 200 naked dancing fillies doesn't do it then towing an iceburg is
  a last resort. Does AU have any desalination plants?
 
  On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 12:59:12 -0500 - Leon A. Goldstein
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following
  Re: Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz
 
  Jerry McBride wrote:
  
   If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002...
  the 48 continental states reported some measure of drought


snip.  I don't know how that sort of thing is handled down
 under, but many people believe that the severest problems were created
 by several decades of failure to prune old growth forrests
 (environmentalist wackos would never allow that) which become
 tinderboxes with passage of time.
 
It doesn't take pruning old growth forests, it takes burning.  The
pruned, logged and replanted cut blocks explode when subjected to
lightening.  Here in the NW the lack of natural fires has caused the
problems we now have.  Burning kills the bugs, underbrush and keeps the
spacing od the trees the old timers called punkins.  The last punkin I
had anything to do with was in 1978.  It was a doug fir 11 feet on the
stump.  Trees that big won't grow with 12 foot spacing we did when I was
thinning trees.  My oldest boy and I contracted with the USFS to thin
trees in '71,'72, ' '73. I worked several summers later for a logging
outfit.
Bob

Maybe thiss ought to go to general?
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Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz

2002-12-06 Thread Robert Black Eagle
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On Thursday 05 December 2002 9:26 am, Jerry McBride wrote:
 On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 09:38:20 -0500 (EST) Net Llama!
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 wrote:
  Keith,
  I feel for your plight down under.  Out in the American West, its
  been quite bad over the past few years as well...

 If my memory serves me... Here in the states, for year 2002... the 48
 continental states reported some measure of drought effects, of that
 48, 63% declared drought conditions. World wide, the over all trend
 has been, dryer than normal...

 Although we in the states aren't suffering like others are, we're
 in for a pretty rough time ourselves. Be ready for year 2003, it's
 going to be rough.

Count on it.  El Nino is back!  I read a report on El Nino and found it 
is erratic.  Sometimes it lasts for year after year and sometimes it 
stays away for years.  It affects weather world-wide, however.  There 
is absolutely no reason for it to end once it starts (due to a small 
island off Indonesia), but it does.  The mechanism is both known and 
uncontrollable (without blasting the island out of existence).

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Re: [patch] fix the ext3 data=journal unmount bug

2002-12-06 Thread Ken Moffat
David A. Bandel wrote:

save the patch:


cut the text, the first line should be:
- - --- linux-akpm/fs/buffer.c~sync_fsThu Dec  5 21:33:56 2002

the last line is the - just before the signature.  Make sure you don't
wrap any lines cutting and pasting between the message and the patch file.

assuming your kernel source is /usr/src/linux, save the patch in /usr/src
as ext3.patch and cd linux

I suggest you dry-run the patch first (test it):

patch -p1 --dry-run  ../ext3.patch

If you get no failures (you will if you put the XFS patch on), then remove
the --dry-run and go again.

If you decide you don't want the patch anymore, just do:

patch -p1 -R  ../ext3.patch

and all will be reversed.


 

Oops, failure... I'm using libranet, with kernel 2.4.20 from kernel.org, 
if that matters.

# patch -p1 --dry-run  ../ext3.patch
patching file fs/buffer.c
patching file include/linux/fs.h
patching file fs/super.c
patching file fs/ext3/super.c
Hunk #3 FAILED at 1580.
1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file fs/ext3/super.c.rej


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Re: [patch] fix the ext3 data=journal unmount bug

2002-12-06 Thread Ted Ozolins
Ken Moffat wrote:


David A. Bandel wrote:

save the patch:


cut the text, the first line should be:
- - --- linux-akpm/fs/buffer.c~sync_fsThu Dec  5 21:33:56 2002

the last line is the - just before the signature.  Make sure you don't
wrap any lines cutting and pasting between the message and the patch 
file.

assuming your kernel source is /usr/src/linux, save the patch in 
/usr/src
as ext3.patch and cd linux

I suggest you dry-run the patch first (test it):

patch -p1 --dry-run  ../ext3.patch

If you get no failures (you will if you put the XFS patch on), then 
remove
the --dry-run and go again.

If you decide you don't want the patch anymore, just do:

patch -p1 -R  ../ext3.patch

and all will be reversed.


 

Oops, failure... I'm using libranet, with kernel 2.4.20 from 
kernel.org, if that matters.

# patch -p1 --dry-run  ../ext3.patch
patching file fs/buffer.c
patching file include/linux/fs.h
patching file fs/super.c
patching file fs/ext3/super.c
Hunk #3 FAILED at 1580.
1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file fs/ext3/super.c.rej


Dang, I'm getting the same error (word for word)
I'm using slackware 8.1 with kernel 2.4.20 from kernel.org. also even 
though it says that  saving rejects to file fs/ext3/super.c.rej 
there is no /usr/src/linux/fs/ext3/super.c.rej (if that matters)


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Re: OT Re: Big problems in Oz

2002-12-06 Thread ronnie gauthier
I did that in WestYellowstone MT in 77  78.
On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 06:58:40 -0800 - Bob Hemus [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote the following

I was thinning trees.  My oldest boy and I contracted with the USFS to
thin trees in '71,'72, ' '73. I worked several summers later for a
logging outfit.
Bob

Maybe thiss ought to go to general?
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