Re: Name your poison
Quoth Andrew Mathews: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering what the most favored UNIX flavors are amongst us all, and how much that contributed to the use of Linux, regardless of distro. So we difide it in different segments Slowlaris is what I know best, but I (used to) use a lot of Dynix/PTX and AIX. Kurt -- A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. -- William James ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU
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Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU
On 08/26/03 16:36, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Lonni J Friedman: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html Why, pray tell, would I need to speak with animals? customers? managers? coworkers? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 4:40pm up 11 days, 5:07, 3 users, load average: 0.23, 0.13, 0.10 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Name your poison
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Andrew Mathews: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering what the most favored UNIX flavors are amongst us all, and how much that contributed to the use of Linux, regardless of distro. So we difide it in different segments Slowlaris is what I know best, but I (used to) use a lot of Dynix/PTX and AIX. I cut my *ix teeth on Xenix on the Radio Shack Model 16/6000, have worked extensively with all the SCO variants since 1987. I've had limited *BSD*ish experience over the years with SunOS and similar systems. Currently my preferences other than Linux are FreeBSD and Apple's OS X. We still support quite a few customers with SCO OpenServer systems. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it is time to pause and reflect.'' -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:42:56 -0700 Tony Alfrey wrote: Why, send in your licensing fee to SCO for all the stolen IP stuff you have in your linux boxen, and I'm sure they'll get right back to you. grin Jeeze (slap to head), why didn't I think of that? I'll get my checkbook out right now. I guess I just don't see how sco can even think of suing when they have released distros under the gpl. It defies logic! Not at all. SCO's premise is that the GPL is invalid. This is a perfect demonstration of the difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. Maybe it's just my day to be dense, but I'm not seeing much difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. And certainly not when applied to SCO's current course of action, which is neither reasonable, logical, nor correct. Kurt -- Speed is subsittute fo accurancy. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: relays.osirusoft.com disappeared?
Quoth Bill Campbell: On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seems that the relays.osirusoft.com dnsbl server(s) have dropped off the face of the earth. Anybody heard what's happening? Joe's taken these offline, and has no plans at present to bring them back up. There are two things you may see, DNS not resolving when doing lookups causing long waits while things time out, or positive returns for any valid IP address. The RBLs we're using now are: dynablock.wirehub.net opm.blitzed.org sbl.spamhaus.org Why did he take them offline? Kurt -- Truly great madness can not be achieved without significant intelligence. -- Henrik Tikkanen ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: No longer any xwindows on RedHat 7.3
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:53, Carruth, Matt wrote: I've been running Redhat 7.3 snip Last week, I rebooted and the xwindows system did not come up. Something like this happened once on my RH8 system. /var/lib/xkb was gone and default font 'fixed' was gone. Re-installing the XFree86 rpm restored /var/lib/xkb and re-installing the XFree86-base-fonts rpm restored the font. Look for clues in logs, not sure which. Maybe /var/log/XFree86.0.log, /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/boot.log Redhat system should have Lynx in /usr/bin which will allow you to retrieve rpms without X if you need to. It's a bit wierd to use, but gets the job done. -- Ian Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
Just how are you serving up this document to your browser? Is Apache actually doing it? Have you put a file named index.html into the root directory? What is your root directory? Is your document valid html? Joel On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 03:49:44PM -0700, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: James McDonald wrote: sheesh ummm not real sure but here is my httpd.conf Thanks. This is a bit more info than I needed. Apache comes with a sample .conf file that looks a lot like this one. It is complicated enough, though, that I'd be better off reading the book first so I'll understand the options I'm selecting. Quick perusal doesn't show anything obvious to prevent html interpretation, though. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 Interfere not in the business of Dragons, For you are crunchy when flamed and taste good. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
Use the sample file that came with your apache install and readD the comments in it. Sorta like a quick start. Change what you understand, dont touch what you dont and you will most likely get going OK. On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:49:44 -0700 - Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: RE: Apache setup help James McDonald wrote: sheesh ummm not real sure but here is my httpd.conf Thanks. This is a bit more info than I needed. Apache comes with a sample .conf file that looks a lot like this one. It is complicated enough, though, that I'd be better off reading the book first so I'll understand the options I'm selecting. Quick perusal doesn't show anything obvious to prevent html interpretation, though. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 Interfere not in the business of Dragons, For you are crunchy when flamed and taste good. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Wall wrote: | Quoth Lonni J Friedman: | |http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html | | | Why, pray tell, would I need to speak with animals? | | Kurt Well, after all, you're talking to a llama now. g - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 6:35pm up 8 days, 17:24, 10 users, load average: 2.89, 3.14, 3.47 - - You will find me drinking gin In the lowest kind of inn, Because I am a rigid Vegetarian. -- G.K. Chesterton - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/S/0WidHQ0m/kEssRAvSTAJ4uWo9bY6281zqLk4fnjsdGkTJmLQCfd04n aivkmdCosPBeQhPrYywd2L8= =+q/b -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
Quoth Condon Thomas A KPWA: Folks, I'm trying to set up an Apache server to host my own web pages. I'm running it on a Gentoo system with a Celleron processor. It is networked to my home net and I'm accessing it from the SuSE 8.0 desktop I use to access the web normally. I'm trying to follow the O'Reilly Apache: The Definitive Guide, but when I first access the web pages (from my online site) the browser (Konqueror) displays the HTML code, not the web page. I suspect I haven't finished the setup and there is a simple directive that I've not included in the .conf file, which currently contains only: User webuser Group webgroup ServerName spyder Use an IP address if you can. DocumentRoot /web/site.burps This hardly seems sufficient. This is one situation where using the sample httpd.conf file will help you. It seems long, but it's mostly comments. Entries I change ServerAdmin ServerName CustomLog User Group DocumentRoot After you make your changes, run apachectl configtest to validate your configuration file. Kurt -- Hand, n.: A singular instrument worn at the end of a human arm and commonly thrust into somebody's pocket. -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU
Quoth Andrew Mathews: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Wall wrote: | Quoth Lonni J Friedman: | |http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html | | | Why, pray tell, would I need to speak with animals? | | Kurt Well, after all, you're talking to a llama now. g Yah, good point. Kurt -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: No longer any xwindows on RedHat 7.3
On 08/26/03 16:51, Ian Stephen wrote: On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:53, Carruth, Matt wrote: I've been running Redhat 7.3 snip Last week, I rebooted and the xwindows system did not come up. Something like this happened once on my RH8 system. /var/lib/xkb was gone and default font 'fixed' was gone. Re-installing the XFree86 rpm restored /var/lib/xkb and re-installing the XFree86-base-fonts rpm restored the font. Look for clues in logs, not sure which. Maybe /var/log/XFree86.0.log, /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/boot.log Redhat system should have Lynx in /usr/bin which will allow you to retrieve rpms without X if you need to. It's a bit wierd to use, but gets the job done. Or with wget or ncftp -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 5:50pm up 11 days, 6:17, 3 users, load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Best summary of the SCO idiocy
If you have time for a lengthy read, the very best summary of the SCO lawsuit is here: http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween9.html -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Tape drives
How much do you want to spend? I used Wangdat under Windows for a long time. I have a tape library that uses an Exabyte. Randy Donohoe wrote: Awhile back there was a discussion of the best tape drives for Linux. I need a drive in the 20-30GB range, any suggestions on type and brand?TIA, Randy Donohoe -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: No longer any xwindows on RedHat 7.3
Quoth Carruth, Matt: I've been running Redhat 7.3 on an old Gateway e-3000 system for months and never had any problem. Last week, I rebooted and the xwindows system did not come up. What's changed? During the reboot, the loader opens and I see a nice display showing all listed operating systems (only RH 7.3 in this case) and then the boot continues. Everything looks OK, but there is no xwindows display: only command line. What does the line that includes initdefault in /etc/inittab read? Any obvious clues in /var/log/XFree86*log? Kurt -- Take my word for it, the silliest woman can manage a clever man, but it needs a very clever woman to manage a fool. -- Kipling ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
On 26 Aug 2003 at 19:49, Kurt Wall wrote: snip perfect demonstration of the difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. Maybe it's just my day to be dense, but I'm not seeing much difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. And certainly not when applied to SCO's current course of action, which is neither reasonable, logical, nor correct. Perhaps, in the natural world, an organism claiming it was reasoning correctly, as SCO has, would in short order logically find its proper place in the food chain as a dietary supplement. This, alas, is not always the case with the artificial construct we humans choose to call reality. - Rich ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: relays.osirusoft.com disappeared?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bill Campbell wrote: | On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Andrew Mathews wrote: | |-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- |Hash: SHA1 | | |Seems that the relays.osirusoft.com dnsbl server(s) have dropped off the |face of the earth. Anybody heard what's happening? | | | Joe's taken these offline, and has no plans at present to bring them back | up. There are two things you may see, DNS not resolving when doing lookups | causing long waits while things time out, or positive returns for any valid | IP address. | | The RBLs we're using now are: | dynablock.wirehub.net | opm.blitzed.org | sbl.spamhaus.org | | Bill I've got: dnsbl.njabl.org sbl.spamhaus.org list.dsbl.org bl.spamcop.net relays.ordb.org I read somewhere (google groups?) that osirusoft was under a DOS attack. Here it is http://groups.google.com/groups?q=osirusoft.com+downhl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8scoring=dselm=Pine.BSI.4.44.0308261130490.20594-10%40malasada.lava.netrnum=3 Seems they aren't the only ones. spews and dnsrbl were DOS'd also: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8threadm=2a463f80.0308261154.5b6a8ded%40posting.google.comrnum=4prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dosirusoft.com%2Bdown%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26scoring%3Dd%26selm%3D2a463f80.0308261154.5b6a8ded%2540posting.google.com%26rnum%3D4 - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 7:08pm up 8 days, 17:57, 10 users, load average: 3.55, 3.31, 3.31 - - Emotions are alien to me. I'm a scientist. -- Spock, This Side of Paradise, stardate 3417.3 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/TAbNidHQ0m/kEssRAjp1AJ9eSub/XalJqZK+pzWDfdHFahlszwCfaTps 8yRn1ZscM3gOgvhH0fZVmYI= =4CXq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sysadmin/Web Programming Position for YOU
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 7:26 pm, someone claiming to be Lonni J Friedman wrote: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/14723559.html /me spits drink thru nose Hilarious! But why isn't this posted to general? ;-) Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 9:45pm up 4 days, 3:43, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.10, 0.09 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
LILO fubar
Heya all, This is actually about SILO for a SPARC, but I think that LILO works pretty much the same. I was fooling around the other day and changed silo.conf. I typed 'silo' (doh) and waxed the boot process. I get the SILO prompt at boot, but I have to manually type the path to the kernel (1/boot/vmlinux-2.4.21) before the kernel; will execute. When hitting tab, I get no kernel list for multiple kernels that are listed in silo.conf. Any ideas as to how I can restore the boot process back to auto booting the first kernel in the silo.conf list? Thanks in advance.. Steve J. Hi, you're hired... By the way your project is already past due... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Tape drives
Quoth Bill Campbell: [tape drive preferences] You might want to consider using external firewire hard drives. You can buy 120gb units from CompUSA which handle USB2 and Firewire for about $220 each. Given the cost of media for DLT the cost for a 120gb drive is comparable to the number of tapes required to back up that much data (not to mention the cost of the DLT drive itself), the data's much more accessible on a mountable file system, and it's reasonable to use multiple drives. Remember to keep backups off-site. I like this idea. Has the Linux support for FireWire become mature enough that using an external FireWire drive as a backup is viable? I'm supposing so, or you wouldn't have suggested it, but this is my day to ask obvious questions. Kurt -- If you've done six impossible things before breakfast, why not round it off with dinner at Milliway's, the restaurant at the end of the universe? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Tape drives
Kurt Wall wrote: I like this idea. Has the Linux support for FireWire become mature enough that using an external FireWire drive as a backup is viable? I'm supposing so, or you wouldn't have suggested it, but this is my day to ask obvious questions. Don't know about Firewire, but USB 2.0 works great. Seems to me USB 2.0 is becoming much more of a commodity and I can't tell that Firewire has any advantage over it. I use it for backups regularly with a pocket hard drive. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Tape drives
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Bill Campbell: [tape drive preferences] You might want to consider using external firewire hard drives. You can buy 120gb units from CompUSA which handle USB2 and Firewire for about $220 each. Given the cost of media for DLT the cost for a 120gb drive is comparable to the number of tapes required to back up that much data (not to mention the cost of the DLT drive itself), the data's much more accessible on a mountable file system, and it's reasonable to use multiple drives. Remember to keep backups off-site. I like this idea. Has the Linux support for FireWire become mature enough that using an external FireWire drive as a backup is viable? I'm supposing so, or you wouldn't have suggested it, but this is my day to ask obvious questions. I've been using in on SuSE 8.[12] for about six months now with excellent results (also on FreeBSD 4.8 STABLE). We've used the Adaptec and SIIG USB2/Firewire PCI cards. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.'' 1896 John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Tape drives
On Tue, Aug 26, 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: I like this idea. Has the Linux support for FireWire become mature enough that using an external FireWire drive as a backup is viable? I'm supposing so, or you wouldn't have suggested it, but this is my day to ask obvious questions. Don't know about Firewire, but USB 2.0 works great. Seems to me USB 2.0 is becoming much more of a commodity and I can't tell that Firewire has any advantage over it. I use it for backups regularly with a pocket hard drive. The Linux USB documentation indicates that data storage may be flakey. FireWire has been in use on Apple for years, and IHMO a much more stable than USB. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Anyone who thinks Microsoft never does anything truly innovative isn't paying attention to the part of the company that pushes the state of its art: Microsoft's legal department.'' --Ed Foster, InfoWorld Gripe Line columnist ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Test
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 21:17, burns carved in granite: radio check, over There are no checks in radio buttons, only in check boxes. In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 17:45, Kurt Wall carved in granite: This hardly seems sufficient. This is one situation where using the sample httpd.conf file will help you. It seems long, but it's mostly comments. Entries I change ServerAdmin ServerName CustomLog User Group DocumentRoot After you make your changes, run apachectl configtest to validate your configuration file. Thanks. The syntax is OK according to apachectl. I set: ServerName spyder.condonia.org User webuser Group webgroup DocumentRoot /web/site.burps/htdocs This URL contains the same HTML code that I'm working with: http://www.eskimo.com/~tomc/BURPS.html so it looks pretty clean as far as HTML goes. I do not have an index.html doc in that directory. Having made these changes to apache.conf I restarted apache, then tried again. I get: ** Forbidden You don't have permission to access /BURPS.html on this server. --- Apache/1.3.27 Server at spyder.condonia.org Port 80 ** This happens when I access it either through the name or the IP. I checked, and changed all of the /web directories and files to be owned by webuser:webgroup. No effect. I know better than to leave it that way, and will be changing it back momentarily. The config file has no Allow or Deny in any combination of cases. Next step? In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Test
On 27 Aug 2003 00:17:17 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: radio check, over OK, over ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
(fwd) Re: osirusoft.com DNS BLs are broken ...
For those of you who wondered what happened to relays.osirusoft.com, this message from LKML. - Forwarded message from Stan Bubrouski [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: Stan Bubrouski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matti Aarnio [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:34:51 -0400 Subject: Re: osirusoft.com DNS BLs are broken ... Matti Aarnio wrote: yielding SERVFAIL for query: dig any 212.78.72.67.spews.relays.osirusoft.com. SNIP As of today OSIRUSOFT is no more as a result of a DDOS attack :( The site has been taken down and to get the point across that OSIRUSOFT blacklists are dead they are now blacklisting the entire internet (*.*.*.*) So... there's a lot more going on than meets the eye :-/ -sb - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - End forwarded message - -- Matrimony isn't a word, it's a sentence. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Test
Quoth burns: radio check, over Under. In. Through. Beside. K -- You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise salesman. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Tape drives
How much do you want to spend? I used Wangdat under Windows for a long time. I have a tape library that uses an Exabyte. After the replies I started looking at the types mentioned. Even a Travan is going to run 200-300. I'd like to keep it under 300 so I guess I'll start looking on eBay for a DAT.Randy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
On Tuesday 26 August 2003 5:54 pm, someone claiming to be Tom Condon wrote: snip Thanks. The syntax is OK according to apachectl. I set: ServerName spyder.condonia.org User webuser Group webgroup DocumentRoot /web/site.burps/htdocs This URL contains the same HTML code that I'm working with: http://www.eskimo.com/~tomc/BURPS.html so it looks pretty clean as far as HTML goes. I do not have an index.html doc in that directory. Having made these changes to apache.conf I restarted apache, then tried again. I get: ** Forbidden You don't have permission to access /BURPS.html on this server. --- Apache/1.3.27 Server at spyder.condonia.org Port 80 ** This happens when I access it either through the name or the IP. I checked, and changed all of the /web directories and files to be owned by webuser:webgroup. No effect. I know better than to leave it that way, and will be changing it back momentarily. The config file has no Allow or Deny in any combination of cases. Next step? What are the permissions on the directory: web/site.burps/htdocs and the file: web/site.burps/htdocs/BURPS.html -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 7:25am up 4 days, 13:23, 3 users, load average: 0.17, 0.19, 0.10 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 04:29, Tim Wunder carved in granite: What are the permissions on the directory: web/site.burps/htdocs and the file: web/site.burps/htdocs/BURPS.html Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and on all of the files are 544 (-rw-r--r--). In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
On 8/27/2003 1:12 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Condon wrote: On Wednesday 27 August 2003 04:29, Tim Wunder carved in granite: What are the permissions on the directory: web/site.burps/htdocs and the file: web/site.burps/htdocs/BURPS.html Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and on all of the files are 544 (-rw-r--r--). Well, that's not the problem, then :-( Is there another conf file that Apache may be looking at, possibly in /etc/httpd/conf.d, that might be messing things up? Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
On Wednesday 27 August 2003 05:27, Tim Wunder carved in granite: Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and on all of the files are 544 (-rw-r--r--). Well, that's not the problem, then :-( Is there another conf file that Apache may be looking at, possibly in /etc/httpd/conf.d, that might be messing things up? There is: /etc/apache/apache.conf That is the file I've been assuming makes a difference, since modifying the one in: /web/site.burps/conf had no effect. I just copied the /etc/apache/apache.conf file into /web/site.burps/conf/apache.conf and restarted apache with no change. There is no /etc/httpd directory, and I'm assuming that either the gentoo distribution folks or the apache folks have changed the structure to call it apache, since that is the command name, too. In Harmony's Way and In A Chord, Tom ;-}) Tom. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Apache setup help
On 8/27/2003 1:45 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Condon wrote: On Wednesday 27 August 2003 05:27, Tim Wunder carved in granite: Permissions on the directories are 755 (drwxr-xr-x) and on all of the files are 544 (-rw-r--r--). Well, that's not the problem, then :-( Is there another conf file that Apache may be looking at, possibly in /etc/httpd/conf.d, that might be messing things up? There is: /etc/apache/apache.conf That is the file I've been assuming makes a difference, since modifying the one in: /web/site.burps/conf had no effect. I just copied the /etc/apache/apache.conf file into /web/site.burps/conf/apache.conf and restarted apache with no change. There is no /etc/httpd directory, and I'm assuming that either the gentoo distribution folks or the apache folks have changed the structure to call it apache, since that is the command name, too. dunno... I use RHL 8.0 and Apache 2.0 that came with it. conf files are /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf and the few files in /etc/httpd/conf.d: perl.conf php.conf python.conf squirrelmail.conf ssl.conf Maybe one of the many GenToo experts on list will be more useful :-( Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Test
radio check, over -- burns QSL OM, I read you 5 by 5 Shawn ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason Joines Open Source = Open Mind ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
ADMIN: please don't copy the bounce address!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some people's MUAs apparently sometimes include the list list bounce address on a 'Reply-All' (the address would be listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Please check that your MUA is not doing this. Anything sent to the bounce address is marked against YOU and eventually, you'll be unsubbed (mailman will think your email address is bouncing mail). Thanks. - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 http://doug.hunley.homeip.net http://www.linux-sxs.org Illiterate? Write for help! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/TL4g2MO5UukaubkRAoMSAJ96Ifp+0TASGBQrGY/rxXRbKoRB+gCeKmTn YA9oPFxvLgVLAp1S1WvpLig= =QWVL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 Jason Joines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? If he's serious about Exchange with 50k+ users, I suggest you find a new job (the recent posting to this list comes to mind). Not even M$ can get this to work. You'll need one exchange server per 500 users (so 100+ Win2k systems running Exchange should work) -- or, one Linux box using something like PowerMail (and PostgreSQL), although I'd suggest 3 systems for good failover capability. Also, the PowerMail solution will cost you about half a million $$$ less and not have nearly the headaches. BTW, to run 100+ Win2k servers, you'll need at least 10 more Windoze admins too (not included in above cost savings estimate, so estimate over $1,000,000 in savings per year). OTOH, if this guys importance is measured in terms of the size of his budget and not his successful accomplishments, only M$ will do. M$, the empire builders' dream. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. Nemesis Racing Team motto GPG key autoresponder: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
I only know what I've read about it, but it sounds like Ximian Evolution would be just the product for you: http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/ cmr On Wednesday 27 August 2003 09:00 am, you wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason Joines Open Source = Open Mind ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Debian 'Sarge': Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: WeLoveTheSCOInformationMinister
Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:49:26 -0400 Quoth Alma J Wetzker: Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:42:56 -0700 I guess I just don't see how sco can even think of suing when they have released distros under the gpl. It defies logic! Not at all. SCO's premise is that the GPL is invalid. This is a perfect demonstration of the difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. Maybe it's just my day to be dense, but I'm not seeing much difference between reasoning logically and reasoning correctly. And certainly not when applied to SCO's current course of action, which is neither reasonable, logical, nor correct. Kurt Your point is quite apt, Kurt. SCO has changed the initial assumptions and the laws of cause and effect in their world. Thereby making their arguments very logical and reasonable. Those changes are manditory if logic is to be satisfied. The simple fact that it is crazy to make the assumptions they are making hasn't penetrated yet. Their world may deflate entirely before it does, if ever. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Joines wrote: | We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is | about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one | big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about | 50,000 users. | | At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino | on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet | Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on | windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to | consider non-exchange options. | | Any suggestions? | | Thanks, | | Jason Joines | Open Source = Open Mind | phpgroupware. http://phpgroupware.com - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 10:24am up 9 days, 9:11, 10 users, load average: 1.54, 1.27, 1.21 - - There is an old time toast which is golden for its beauty. When you ascend the hill of prosperity may you not meet a friend. -- Mark Twain - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/TNzMidHQ0m/kEssRAp4+AJ49nl27MXWuk7KUOyVOlvsDbaY9SACfXATy m0fiAxdAS/CRaOTFB8MPZzA= =ibtJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
David A. Bandel wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 Jason Joines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? If he's serious about Exchange with 50k+ users, I suggest you find a new job (the recent posting to this list comes to mind). Not even M$ can get this to work. You'll need one exchange server per 500 users (so 100+ Win2k systems running Exchange should work) -- or, one Linux box using something like PowerMail (and PostgreSQL), although I'd suggest 3 systems for good failover capability. Also, the PowerMail solution will cost you about half a million $$$ less and not have nearly the headaches. BTW, to run 100+ Win2k servers, you'll need at least 10 more Windoze admins too (not included in above cost savings estimate, so estimate over $1,000,000 in savings per year). OTOH, if this guys importance is measured in terms of the size of his budget and not his successful accomplishments, only M$ will do. M$, the empire builders' dream. Ciao, David A. Bandel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users If anyone has a copy of that post or remembers the subject so I can search for it, please send it to me. Thanks, Jason === ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
On 8/27/2003 12:31 PM, someone claiming to be Andrew Mathews wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jason Joines wrote: | We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is | about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one | big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about | 50,000 users. | | At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino | on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet | Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on | windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to | consider non-exchange options. | | Any suggestions? | | Thanks, | | Jason Joines | Open Source = Open Mind | phpgroupware. http://phpgroupware.com Do you use it? I've looked at it for our small network here, but haven't tried to implement it yet. Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
Ya, evolkution is an Outlook clone. Its not an exchange clone, AFAIK. On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Tim Wunder wrote: Isn't that just for the client end, to connect to the servers? On 8/27/2003 12:03 PM, someone claiming to be Mike Reinehr wrote: I only know what I've read about it, but it sounds like Ximian Evolution would be just the product for you: http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/ cmr On Wednesday 27 August 2003 09:00 am, you wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason Joines Open Source = Open Mind ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
I should have remembered the proverb: Better to be silent and let people think you are a fool, than to speak and let them know it. My bad. Spoke about something I know nothing about. cmr On Wednesday 27 August 2003 12:16 pm, you wrote: Ya, evolkution is an Outlook clone. Its not an exchange clone, AFAIK. On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Tim Wunder wrote: Isn't that just for the client end, to connect to the servers? On 8/27/2003 12:03 PM, someone claiming to be Mike Reinehr wrote: I only know what I've read about it, but it sounds like Ximian Evolution would be just the product for you: http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/ cmr On Wednesday 27 August 2003 09:00 am, you wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason Joines Open Source = Open Mind ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Debian 'Sarge': Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Wunder wrote: [...] | | phpgroupware. | http://phpgroupware.com | | | Do you use it? I've looked at it for our small network here, but haven't | tried to implement it yet. | | Tim Yes. We have around 2000 users and it works quite well. phpgroupware/sendmail/MIMEDefang/clamav gives us shared calendars, global address books, check in/out functions, web, pop3 imap4 mail, spam filtering, anti virus scanning all in one system that doesn't even yawn at 15,000 messages a day. (before sobig blaster) Total cost? $0. Compared to 4 Exchange servers at $1,200 per, plus $50 per client license (x 2000) to connect = $104,800. To try to be a proponent of a solution like Microsoft offers would definitely be a valid argument of more money than brains We've made some worthwhile contributions to mail-abuse.org, phpgroupware, sendmail, spamcop.net and other open source providers though. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 11:08am up 9 days, 9:55, 10 users, load average: 1.11, 1.11, 1.09 - - If you knew what to say next, would you say it? - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/TOmMidHQ0m/kEssRArAjAJ0bAOLx3wdg3lCFsg5bLagPGdlVngCggnv0 32uv23El5oewshZywJylxcs= =Ku4/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ADMIN: please don't copy the bounce address!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some people's MUAs apparently sometimes include the list list bounce address on a 'Reply-All' (the address would be listname[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . Please check that your MUA is not doing this. Anything sent to the bounce address is marked against YOU and eventually, you'll be unsubbed (mailman will think your email address is bouncing mail). Thanks. - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Which MUA's do this? Gerry ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
Jason Joines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 27 Aug 2003 09:00:25 -0500 We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason Joines The recent virii incidents ought to be sufficiently fresh to make a point about downtime vulnerability. At the U of MN students can connect inside the firewall. A single machine infected outside and then logging in inside will compleatly bypass the firewall. I am not sure about cost savings specifically but linux should mean fewer machines, therefore fewer support resources, therefore fewer ongoing costs. In the current economy, universities seem to be getting squeezed pretty good. It all depends on the CIO's goal. If he wants to have the largest staff and biggest budget, stress the threat of downtime. (It is already assumed that he is susceptible to FUD, at least from M$.) If he wants to show efficiency and budget cutting know how, stress simplicity and cost savings. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tim Wunder wrote: [...] | | phpgroupware. | http://phpgroupware.com | | | Do you use it? I've looked at it for our small network here, but haven't | tried to implement it yet. | | Tim Yes. We have around 2000 users and it works quite well. phpgroupware/sendmail/MIMEDefang/clamav gives us shared calendars, global address books, check in/out functions, web, pop3 imap4 mail, spam filtering, anti virus scanning all in one system that doesn't even yawn at 15,000 messages a day. (before sobig blaster) Total cost? $0. Compared to 4 Exchange servers at $1,200 per, plus $50 per client license (x 2000) to connect = $104,800. To try to be a proponent of a solution like Microsoft offers would definitely be a valid argument of more money than brains We've made some worthwhile contributions to mail-abuse.org, phpgroupware, sendmail, spamcop.net and other open source providers though. - -- Andrew Mathews I'mn surprised you haven't plugged SpamAssassin into the mix. Is there a reason for that? Gerry ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
On Wed, 27 Aug 2003, Gerry Doris wrote: I'mn surprised you haven't plugged SpamAssassin into the mix. Is there a reason for that? Maybe cause its track record lately isn't that great. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[OT] Knoppix download
I tried to download the latest knoppixto write a CDtoday at www.knoppix.org... I hope this isn't the way of the future... Does anyone know where else I can find a knoppix download? Thank You. Shannon ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] Knoppix download
On 8/27/2003 2:46 PM, someone claiming to be Shannon Scott wrote: I tried to download the latest knoppix to write a CD today at www.knoppix.org... I hope this isn't the way of the future... Does anyone know where else I can find a knoppix download? Many European-based sites are doing that to protest the software patent law. I imagine things will go back to normal eventually... http://www.linuxlookup.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=1262mode=threadorder=0thold=0 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] Knoppix download
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shannon Scott wrote: | I tried to download the latest knoppix to write a CD today at www.knoppix.org... | | I hope this isn't the way of the future... | | Does anyone know where else I can find a knoppix download? | | Thank You. | Shannon http://www.linux-works.org/iso/Knoppix/ - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 1:12pm up 9 days, 11:58, 10 users, load average: 1.13, 1.14, 1.17 - - Higher education helps your earning capacity. Ask any college professor. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/TQKlidHQ0m/kEssRAvfuAJ9/SNrjx7j8BhF03X0HsPytDL9JkQCeOlLU CPUr4oeOhg1XD6pzgrzQX58= =nSXF -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info
Ok, I have wiped and reloaded SuSE 8.2 on the laptop (You can screw up BIG time if you configure a kernel and forgot to make modules/install before rebooting). I used their vsftpd daemon. rcp FROM my Workstation/Server to the Laptop screams. However ftp'ing from the Workstation/Server to the Laptop, again results in 10K files taking 5 seconds or so an 300MB taking over 4 hours. Nctp' or plan ftp'ing FROM the laptop to any other system, works as should, as well. It's just that, for SOME REASON, going thru the ftpd on the Laptop, to upload and it slows to a crawl. Does'nt seem to change no matter which ftpd service I install - have tried ProFtd, and the BSD ftpd as well. These services are run thru the tcpd wrapper. Hell, I even ran SAMBA and export the Laptop's disk and mounted it on the workstation and copied to the Samba Share and it works as should. I am really stumped now. Net Llama! wrote: I was referring to something else that moved large amounts of data at a time. telnet certainly doesn't, and lprng is kinda hard to measure in that respect. What about scp? -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gerry Doris wrote: [...] |phpgroupware/sendmail/MIMEDefang/clamav gives us shared calendars, [...] | | I'mn surprised you haven't plugged SpamAssassin into the mix. Is there a | reason for that? | | Gerry We don't really need it. We run Symantec AV on a Sun Solaris box that uses dnsbls. Our spam has dropped by 95%+ and it wouldn't serve much purpose. By the time it gets to the system it's already been scanned for virii and checked against the appropriate blacklists. We also have 4 more dnsbls coded into sendmail for a total of 7 checks, plus zone files for the ones available on our dns servers, so lookups are not a large amount of external traffic. The internal queries are on a gigabit network. So all total, a single message is scanned for virii twice by two different av scanners, and checked against 7 blacklists, as well as the access list blocking capabilities of sendmail. Excellent instructions for this are available at: http://abuse.easynet.nl/spamlist-usage.html HTH- - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 1:12pm up 9 days, 11:58, 10 users, load average: 1.13, 1.14, 1.17 - - Higher education helps your earning capacity. Ask any college professor. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/TQbpidHQ0m/kEssRAsCAAJ9gUw3N7O5fdZFI74t4lw/sYyIJFgCfRZQ3 ufnSSyAw3wAbcZXi4U6sXek= =7L3q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info
Ben Duncan wrote: It's just that, for SOME REASON, going thru the ftpd on the Laptop, to upload and it slows to a crawl. Does'nt seem to change no matter which ftpd service I install - have tried ProFtd, and the BSD ftpd as well. I am really stumped now. Wow, this is really a strange one. One suggestion (my apologies if this has already been tried): Run 'iptables -F' on both boxes and try it again, just to be sure it's not firewall-related. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info
Ok, did that. I have been testing some more. This GETS weird. All files GOING thru the Laptops ftpd services take about 4 seconds EACH regardless of size. ie. a 20MB file transfered in 4 seconds, a 20K file - 4 seconds, a 1K file 4 seconds, and a (GET this !!!) 40 BYTE file - 4 seconds. Now the LARGEST I have played with, has been the 20MB file. Aaron Grewell wrote: Wow, this is really a strange one. One suggestion (my apologies if this has already been tried): Run 'iptables -F' on both boxes and try it again, just to be sure it's not firewall-related. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users . -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info
Ben Duncan wrote: Ok, did that. I have been testing some more. This GETS weird. All files GOING thru the Laptops ftpd services take about 4 seconds EACH regardless of size. ie. a 20MB file transfered in 4 seconds, a 20K file - 4 seconds, a 1K file 4 seconds, and a (GET this !!!) 40 BYTE file - 4 seconds. Now the LARGEST I have played with, has been the 20MB file. Well, it's a 100MB network, right? Probably without any other traffic, too. Try an ISO or something like that. It probably takes a few seconds to handshake and all that. Are you sure the 20MB file came through alright? It didn't get truncated or anything? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FTp -- WTF ?!?! ..More Info
Yup, 100MB on a Switch, Only 4 Computers on it. A; Workstation (WS) This one which is a Suse 8.0 modifed B: Caldera 1.3 stock ... C: The Laptop - SuSe 8.2 stock, D: A Winslut 98SE machine. Ok, NOW it looks like this is localized, but still perplexing. WS to Caldera 1.3 ftp services - goes as should. WS to WS - goes as should. Laptop to Laptop FTp services - goes as should. Caldera 1.3 to Laptop - goes as should. Laptop to WS - goes as should, Laptop to Caldera 1.3 - goes as should Ws to laptop - 4 seconds each file (larger ones, such as ISO's Take longer) ... I dunno, I have turned on all logging on the Laptop and WS and nothing shows up Aaron Grewell wrote: Ben Duncan wrote: Ok, did that. I have been testing some more. This GETS weird. All files GOING thru the Laptops ftpd services Well, it's a 100MB network, right? Probably without any other traffic, -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
Jason Joines wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. We run a single M$ E2K server for around 1000 users and it needs fairly intense admin... especially as the information stores are around the 200GB mark. Lotus Domino server will run on Linux so throw that in as an option for a more stable server over the W2K base. However Outlook is a better PIM than the Lotus Notes Variety. Will clients want to synchronize PDA's? etc There are solutions provided by the big linux providers http://www.suse.de/en/business/products/suse_business/openexchange/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Ideas for Mail and Calendaring for 50,000 Users
Jason Joines wrote: We just got a new CIO at the university where I work. One thing he is about to do is get rid of all the different mail systems and have one big combined system for all employees and students. That'll be about 50,000 users. At the moment the predominant faculty/staff mail system is Lotus Domino on windows 2k and the predominant system for students is Sun Internet Mail Server on Solaris. He intends to replace these with ms exchange on windows 2k. There is a small chance he will listen to suggestions to consider non-exchange options. Any suggestions? Thanks, Jason Joines Open Source = Open Mind ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users http://groupware.openoffice.org/ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Microsoft hides behind Linux for protection
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Test
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Re: Test
10-4 buddy. I gotcha loud-n-cleer! burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/27/2003 12:17 AM Please respond to general To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Test radio check, over -- burns ___ General mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/general ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
