Re: OT alternatives to groupwise?
If you look at the Volution Messaging Server, they basically are providing a specialized version of a Standard Linux system. Read about what they include. Basically, they're providing POP3/IMAP/SMTP (which is standard for all Linux servers), LDAP for addressbook, FTP for central schedule location. If you read it in-depth, you could probably build your server for the cost of a good system and a LInux Server install (I'd be sure to use on with Webmin for Web-administration, like COLS). This is not a difficult thing to set up. SCO just decided to create a package which bundles it all together and fills in a little around the edges (mainly in installation and packaging). You'll notice that they chose Postfix for the MTA, although a good Email admin won't fear Sendmail :) On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:25:38-0500 John Voigt[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/03/2002 02:42 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:24:02 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0400, Douglas J Hunley wrote: I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email systemhere at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitchsendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotusnotes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great.thanks You might take a look at qmail. Its been rock solid here for severalmonths now. My MTA is exim. www.exim.org I think is also comes down to what the e-mail MTA should / should not do. Spam filtering? Aggressive relay control? Mailing lists? IMAP? Virus detection? Some MTAs are better/easier to set up with these things than others. Hi all, If I understand the original question correctly, the question is to replace GroupWise which is somewhat similar to M$ Exchange, as opposed to just an MTA. It has the mail, calendar, scheduler and other [perhaps useless] fluff. You might look at: http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ which was HP OpenMail in a former life. There is another similar product available from: http://www.bynari.com which claims to to this sort of thing as well. Neither of these, unfortunately, are OSS, and are rather expensive. They do run on Linux though. HTH, John V. -- _/- John Voigt - K9GBO -|- Registered Linux User #38558 --_/ _/- Reclamation Specialist --|- IN Dept of Natural Resources -_/ _/- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -|- (812) 665-2207 --_/ The intelligence of any discussion diminishes with the square of the number of participants. -- Adam Walinsky ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users msg07383/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT alternatives to groupwise?
I would be torn as to which to offer. I am a die-hard GroupWise fan. It is relatively secure (ok, for a big install, I'd certainly front-end it with Sendmail, but that's normal), it has a decent client, it's NDS-based, and it has good scheduling features. The only thing I have against it is that it doesn't run on Linux (Client or Server) that I'm aware of. The only thing I've ever really had go wrong is when I scheduled the backups and the indexing at the same time and got a bit of corruption (oops). Then again, there ain't nothing like a good Linux box to put your email in clear-text files, with the abilities of fetch- proc- and formail at your fingertips. TIP: if you DO continue running GroupWise, be sure it's MTA is NOT directly available to the Internet. In order to allow the SMTP features to work properly, GroupWise only allows you to limit Relaying based on From: address This is easily spoofed and can potentially get you blacklisted quickly. You probably already knew this but I wanted to share the experience :) On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:11:56 -0400 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesús Antonio Santos Giraldo spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: I use groupwise... If I may ask... why are you thinking in replacing? we're not necessarily. we're 're-evaluating the field'.. hence, I need to know about all the competitors - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org OK genius.. what's the speed of dark?!? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9m7V8SrrWWknCnMIRAuLtAJ44p10/S0W11BRS8/suSfXIdP3BegCeJ3gO mfRlO62p8p10pA7wM6UAfWQ= =O9VK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users msg07384/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT alternatives to GroupWise?
On 10/2/02 14:35, Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks - -- Are they using all of the features of GroupWise? We use GroupWise at work and very few people use it for more than basic e-mail. If they actually use the features in GroupWise then your replacement will need to have collaboration features. -- Ray Russell Mac OS X 10.2 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT alternatives to GroupWise?
well if the tie between email and those collaboration features is not a must-have, then any web-based calendaring software on apache+apache+mysql should escape the gravitational pull of blackholes like Groupwwise or Exchange... : Are they using all of the features of GroupWise? We use GroupWise at work and very few people use it for more than basic e-mail. If they actually use the features in GroupWise then your replacement will need to have collaboration features. -- Swiftly. Silently. Invisibly. .~. In Linux we trust. / v \ news://news.hkpcug.org /( _ )\ http://www.linux-sxs.org ^ ^ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT alternatives to groupwise?
On 10/2/2002 2:35 PM, someone claiming to be Douglas J Hunley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks - -- snip You may have seen this article already, but FWIW, http://newsforge.com/newsforge/02/10/03/2216217.shtml?tid=30 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT alternatives to groupwise?
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:24:02 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0400, Douglas J Hunley wrote: I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks You might take a look at qmail. Its been rock solid here for several months now. My MTA is exim. www.exim.org I think is also comes down to what the e-mail MTA should / should not do. Spam filtering? Aggressive relay control? Mailing lists? IMAP? Virus detection? Some MTAs are better/easier to set up with these things than others. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT alternatives to groupwise?
Have you looked at www.ima.com? Just found this site couple months ago on the redhat list. Actually they contacted me. Another one is joydesk. Do a google on that one dont have the url. found it -- joydesk.com I have the task of creating a new email system before Christmas so Im also looking for solutions. Please note you might want something that has a web portion before they will ask for there email at home or at the conference in hawaii so something like that. The IMA package looks decent, price wise looks very doable. SysAdmin had an article about SquirrelMail couple months ago. How many accounts are you talking about? On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 02:42, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:24:02 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0400, Douglas J Hunley wrote: I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks You might take a look at qmail. Its been rock solid here for several months now. My MTA is exim. www.exim.org I think is also comes down to what the e-mail MTA should / should not do. Spam filtering? Aggressive relay control? Mailing lists? IMAP? Virus detection? Some MTAs are better/easier to set up with these things than others. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ** Roger Schmeits System Analyst Clarkson College http://www.clarksoncollege.edu Omaha, NE USA 1-800-647-5500 x22542 * ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: OT alternatives to groupwise?
For what it is worth, I am using both exchange and postfix. I find postfix very easy to use and configure. www.postfix.org Regards, Wil McGilvery Manager, Digital Media Lynch Technologies Inc. 416-744-7191 1-888-622-3729 416-744-0406 FAX www.lynchdigital.com -Original Message- From: Douglas J Hunley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT alternatives to groupwise? WARNING: Unsanitized content follows. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel Hammer spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: All I can say is that we were recently switched from groupwise to lotus notes. We all hate it because lotus notes is feature full of features we don't use, seems less intuitive, and is a resource hog. Joel that seems to be the consensus ;) - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org I don't care what they say. I don't think phone sex is any fun at all, unless you happen to be in the same booth with her. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9m7XRSrrWWknCnMIRAo2ZAJ9TtGooZDTKXyuC+Nm/ZorrbpINyACfam2O NO0kV4ZEksUOXr18OFq4IWk= =urfO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT alternatives to groupwise?
On 10/03/2002 02:42 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:24:02 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0400, Douglas J Hunley wrote: I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks You might take a look at qmail. Its been rock solid here for several months now. My MTA is exim. www.exim.org I think is also comes down to what the e-mail MTA should / should not do. Spam filtering? Aggressive relay control? Mailing lists? IMAP? Virus detection? Some MTAs are better/easier to set up with these things than others. Hi all, If I understand the original question correctly, the question is to replace GroupWise which is somewhat similar to M$ Exchange, as opposed to just an MTA. It has the mail, calendar, scheduler and other [perhaps useless] fluff. You might look at: http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ which was HP OpenMail in a former life. There is another similar product available from: http://www.bynari.com which claims to to this sort of thing as well. Neither of these, unfortunately, are OSS, and are rather expensive. They do run on Linux though. HTH, John V. -- _/- John Voigt - K9GBO -|- Registered Linux User #38558 --_/ _/- Reclamation Specialist --|- IN Dept of Natural Resources -_/ _/- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -|- (812) 665-2207 --_/ The intelligence of any discussion diminishes with the square of the number of participants. -- Adam Walinsky ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT alternatives to groupwise?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roger Schmeits spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: How many accounts are you talking about? thousands. this will be state-wide for the Ohio Dept. of Jobs Family Services - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org die_if_kernel(Whee... Hello Mr. Penguin, current-tss.kregs); 2.2.16 /usr/src/linux/arch/sparc/kernel/traps.c -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9nFQMSrrWWknCnMIRAptJAJ42If1Odl7wA3ZI/j4ndZvcwwgvpACfQBor goYqpbg5UQ9TyNe9qo1xbHA= =y8m8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 08:25:38 -0500, John Voigt wrote: On 10/03/2002 02:42 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:24:02 -0700 (PDT) stayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0400, Douglas J Hunley wrote: I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks You might take a look at qmail. Its been rock solid here for several months now. My MTA is exim. www.exim.org I think is also comes down to what the e-mail MTA should / should not do. Spam filtering? Aggressive relay control? Mailing lists? IMAP? Virus detection? Some MTAs are better/easier to set up with these things than others. Hi all, If I understand the original question correctly, the question is to replace GroupWise which is somewhat similar to M$ Exchange, as opposed to just an MTA. It has the mail, calendar, scheduler and other [perhaps useless] fluff. You might look at: http://www.samsungcontact.com/en/ which was HP OpenMail in a former life. There is another similar product available from: http://www.bynari.com which claims to to this sort of thing as well. Neither of these, unfortunately, are OSS, and are rather expensive. They do run on Linux though. On the comercial side, you also have SuSE Mail server (not the one that uses Lotus Notes), and Caldera...oops! SCO Volution Msg Server. They are very similar to Bynari product. IIRC, the last time I checked SCO VMS was the cheapest and has a few goodies like OutLook auto configuration (great for admins). If you want to go the open source way, you can use Postfix + Courier IMAP + OpenLDAP + Horde/IMP/Turba (that's pretty much what everybody else is using to build their mail server software). There's even a small article in horde.org describing howto build a large hotmail like system using these (good reading even not exactly what you need). For the shared calendar, I think you can use Apache+WebDAV. But I haven't investigated... Bye!! Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Malabia 2137 14 A (1425) Buenos Aires Argentina Te/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar PGP Public Key Fingerprint: A536 4595 EB6F D197 FBC1 5C3A 145C 2516 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPZxhrRRcJRaVKt4XEQJNbgCdEtE38agr5opwXb/upbzz+SQMYk0AoOib 0K4il84brzhhjIPvntAKJsDV =P3jq -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:28:17 -0400, Douglas J Hunley wrote: Roger Schmeits spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: How many accounts are you talking about? thousands. this will be state-wide for the Ohio Dept. of Jobs Family Services Hmmm, maybe you need that article form horde.org after all :) http://www.horde.org/papers/daemonnews.php http://horde.org/papers/Scalable_webmail_HOWTO.html If you need POP/IMAP access instead of webmail, you'll need POP/IMAP proxy servers (and possibly some cusom programming). Bye! Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Malabia 2137 14 A (1425) Buenos Aires Argentina Te/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar PGP Public Key Fingerprint: A536 4595 EB6F D197 FBC1 5C3A 145C 2516 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPZxi/BRcJRaVKt4XEQIugQCgyzNjBb3QUVaNtmqreqlGJxDKN2gAoN4v HphrrnQwpkv1ZhgFmaRkzJis =wemb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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You may want to check out something like what Compoze Software has to offer. The site is: http://www.compoze.com --- Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mzyHSrrWWknCnMIRAtMNAKCZm0lGIDQyKxanoe2Ce+GXO3/JYgCbBObO 7Gdh7TylGGaoPiIUi/xHp/I= =le69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users __ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
OT alternatives to groupwise?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org Every nonzero finite dimensional inner product space has an orthonormal basis. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mzyHSrrWWknCnMIRAtMNAKCZm0lGIDQyKxanoe2Ce+GXO3/JYgCbBObO 7Gdh7TylGGaoPiIUi/xHp/I= =le69 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:35:51 -0400, Douglas J Hunley wrote: I got roped into a project to re-architect the enterprise email system here at the state. groupwise is the incumbent here, I'm tryuing to pitch sendmail switch. of course, exchange is also out there, and lotus notes/domino. what else are people using? named and URLs would be great. thanks You might take a look at qmail. Its been rock solid here for several months now. stayler ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jesús Antonio Santos Giraldo spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: I use groupwise... If I may ask... why are you thinking in replacing? we're not necessarily. we're 're-evaluating the field'.. hence, I need to know about all the competitors - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org OK genius.. what's the speed of dark?!? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9m7V8SrrWWknCnMIRAuLtAJ44p10/S0W11BRS8/suSfXIdP3BegCeJ3gO mfRlO62p8p10pA7wM6UAfWQ= =O9VK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Joel Hammer spewed electrons into the ether that resembled: All I can say is that we were recently switched from groupwise to lotus notes. We all hate it because lotus notes is feature full of features we don't use, seems less intuitive, and is a resource hog. Joel that seems to be the consensus ;) - -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - Linux User #174778 Admin: Linux StepByStep - http://www.linux-sxs.org and http://jobs.linux-sxs.org I don't care what they say. I don't think phone sex is any fun at all, unless you happen to be in the same booth with her. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9m7XRSrrWWknCnMIRAo2ZAJ9TtGooZDTKXyuC+Nm/ZorrbpINyACfam2O NO0kV4ZEksUOXr18OFq4IWk= =urfO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
