RE: SCO Sucks
Matthew Carpenter wrote: Some ninnies will... Mark my words Not all cautious people are smart people, or even educated... And some smart people like to keep such a low profile that they will do whatever they are told by anyone in authority. I married one such. She graduated with honors (I can't spell cum laude) on her BS Oceanography degree, 4.0 gpa on her CS degree. Makes a living developing software. But if the IRS sent us a bill for $20,000.00 in taxes for last year she'd pay it without questioning it. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: SCO Sucks
Kurt Wall wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. Kurt Of course. If you wait until October you will probably find that there is no merit to the case and you won't have to pay a thing. Am I the only one who recalls the company that sold SCO the right to license UNIX claims they did *not* sell them the intellectual property rights? In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 22:49, David A. Bandel wrote: If SCO loses (likely), all the suckers that bought licenses (along with a whole slew of others) will sue SCO (SCO will, however, be out of business and broke long before their trial). We live in hope Aren't you glad you still don't work for that outfit, Kurt? In hindsight, 'tis a blessing! -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
Can anyone name the bad penguin in this animation? http://www.opq.se/images/BadPenguin.gif -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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The interesting thing is that this whole thing actually made the local public radio station with a story from National Public Radio (NPR). Of course, these sorts of public radio stories are always behind the curve but it described linux as being an operating system developed by a collective of internet-based developers, mentioned that SCO had purchased some rights to the Unix OS, that SCO had claimed that some as-yet-undisclosed portions of Unix code had been copied into linux and finally that SCO was now expecting linux users to pay a license fee. The story then went on to say that NPR reporters had contacted some developers of the linux code who then said that, if SCO would tell them which portions of the code had been so copied, that they would then rewrite these portions of offending code in about a day. I was driving my car and laughed so hard I nearly drove off the road. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd Rather Be Sailing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: SCO Sucks
Matthew Carpenter wrote: Any judge in their right mind will be able to see through this. - -- Oxymoron. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 Interfere not in the business of Dragons, For you are crunchy when flamed and taste good. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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I bet this sells about as well as Yugos! Prior to the war, the Yugo was a huge success. The war killed it. So, for SCO, this is their Boznia. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
No, but I can say SuSE! Seems that SCO unloaded a lot of their Linux-friendly employees there. Darn nice of them, if you think about it :) On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:53:39 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I am, Burns. I would already have quit, though, once they started this nonsense. That said, they've effectively purged all of the Linux people from the company anyway. Now I think about it, SCO had to get rid of their Linux-friendly staff before doing this - can you say disgruntled ex-employees? Kurt -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Wall wrote: | http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html | | A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. | After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. | | Kurt They'll get theirs the same time I send in my check to Microsoft. I'll make sure it has to go through probate in my will. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 8:31pm up 24 days, 30 min, 10 users, load average: 1.04, 1.05, 1.07 - - It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than forgiveness for being right. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/MGluidHQ0m/kEssRAvaCAJwJBX0z0Nsvl1UBSZITiBfrZB/euQCdFMHF AFcMJhefCRyCENE7rutmL9M= =RxU0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
Quoth burns: On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 22:49, David A. Bandel wrote: If SCO loses (likely), all the suckers that bought licenses (along with a whole slew of others) will sue SCO (SCO will, however, be out of business and broke long before their trial). We live in hope Aren't you glad you still don't work for that outfit, Kurt? In hindsight, 'tis a blessing! Yes I am, Burns. I would already have quit, though, once they started this nonsense. That said, they've effectively purged all of the Linux people from the company anyway. Now I think about it, SCO had to get rid of their Linux-friendly staff before doing this - can you say disgruntled ex-employees? Kurt -- It's not Camelot, but it's not Cleveland, either. -- Kevin White, mayor of Boston ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. This is like their licensing for UnixWare. Of course the difference is that Linux supports lots more hardware and 3rd party apps. I think this is simply a way to offer Linux without worry that it will eat into UnixWare sales, which had to be the case for OpenLinux. We made that switch. It cost SCO. This will stop the switch to Linux. Oh, I mean to SCO's Linux, anyway. The problem is that as soon as SCO make public which code is effected (if any), it will be reimplemented. Making the need for a license go away. OOC, is any of the IP SCO squalk about for the 'general idea' of the things, or is it just for the specific implementation. I have not really sorted that out. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. I bet this sells about as well as Yugos! So hang on the court case hasn't even proved yes or no regarding SCO's claims... what would possess anyone to pay over money for a license? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 18:48, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/06/03 15:40, burns wrote: [snip] wow! back from the dead?!? Naw... It always smells like that when there's an MS machine in the room. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 18:59, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth James McDonald: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. I bet this sells about as well as Yugos! So hang on the court case hasn't even proved yes or no regarding SCO's claims... what would possess anyone to pay over money for a license? Caving to FUD^h^h^h extortion. It certainly looks like extortion to me: From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]: Extortion \Ex*tortion\, n. [F. extorsion.] 1. The act of extorting; the act or practice of wresting anything from a person by force, by threats, or by any undue exercise of power; undue exaction; overcharge. 2. (Law) The offense committed by an officer who corruptly claims and takes, as his fee, money, or other thing of value, that is not due, or more than is due, or before it is due. --Abbott. 3. That which is extorted or exacted by force. Kurt If it looks like a duck... -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
Quoth Bill Campbell: On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:53:39PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Yes I am, Burns. I would already have quit, though, once they started this nonsense. That said, they've effectively purged all of the Linux people from the company anyway. Now I think about it, SCO had to get rid of their Linux-friendly staff before doing this - can you say disgruntled ex-employees? I know about a half-dozen really competent technical folks still working for SCO out of Santa Cruz, all of whom have families addicted to food. Nobody in the corporate offices listens to them though. I was only speaking of the people in Lindon/Orem/Provo/Salt Lake. I dealt with some of the people in Santa Cruz, but only via phone and not for very long before I left. It was already clear in 2000 that SCO were somehow taking over and I already knew I didn't want anything to do with what the company was doing and becoming. On the other hand, I was talking to another friend who was one of the most technically savvy people I've known at SCO over the years, and he said that he now doesn't want to admit he ever worked for them. I know how he feels. Kurt -- Give me a Plumber's friend the size of the Pittsburgh dome, and a place to stand, and I will drain the world. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Matthew Carpenter wrote: Some ninnies will... Mark my words Not all cautious people are smart people, or even educated... snip Makes a living developing software. But if the IRS sent us a bill for $20,000.00 in taxes for last year she'd pay it without questioning it. Could you please send me her address? :-) Bob ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Any judge in their right mind will be able to see through this. Politics aside, the judge would have to concede that SCO's tactics have been completely self-serving and not in accord with a desire to resolve anything. Since the code is already public, listing code that has been allegedly infringed upon would not in any way further any possible damages. No, this is SCO's attempts to make money off of Linux since they were unable to do so using more conventional means (ie. SELLING IT!) On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:16:39 +0200 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that as soon as SCO make public which code is effected (if any), it will be reimplemented. Making the need for a license go away. -- Matthew Carpenter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.eisgr.com/ Enterprise Information Systems * Network Service Appliances * Network Consulting, Integration Support * Web Integration and E-Business ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO Sucks
Quoth James McDonald: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. I bet this sells about as well as Yugos! So hang on the court case hasn't even proved yes or no regarding SCO's claims... what would possess anyone to pay over money for a license? Caving to FUD^h^h^h extortion. It certainly looks like extortion to me: From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) [web1913]: Extortion \Ex*tortion\, n. [F. extorsion.] 1. The act of extorting; the act or practice of wresting anything from a person by force, by threats, or by any undue exercise of power; undue exaction; overcharge. 2. (Law) The offense committed by an officer who corruptly claims and takes, as his fee, money, or other thing of value, that is not due, or more than is due, or before it is due. --Abbott. 3. That which is extorted or exacted by force. Kurt -- San Francisco, n.: Marcel Proust editing an issue of Penthouse. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:53:39PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Yes I am, Burns. I would already have quit, though, once they started this nonsense. That said, they've effectively purged all of the Linux people from the company anyway. Now I think about it, SCO had to get rid of their Linux-friendly staff before doing this - can you say disgruntled ex-employees? I know about a half-dozen really competent technical folks still working for SCO out of Santa Cruz, all of whom have families addicted to food. Nobody in the corporate offices listens to them though. On the other hand, I was talking to another friend who was one of the most technically savvy people I've known at SCO over the years, and he said that he now doesn't want to admit he ever worked for them. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``Our Foreign dealings are an Open Book, generally a Check Book.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, Aug 06, 2003 at 08:16:39AM +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. I could almost understand SCO doing this if still based in Santa Cruz given the easy availability of hallucinagins in that part of the world. There must be stronger drugs available in Utah. This is like their licensing for UnixWare. Of course the difference is that Linux supports lots more hardware and 3rd party apps. I think this is simply a way to offer Linux without worry that it will eat into UnixWare sales, which had to be the case for OpenLinux. We made that switch. It cost SCO. This will stop the switch to Linux. Oh, I mean to SCO's Linux, anyway. I had SCO Linux 4.0 installed on a machine for evaluation for about an hour, then went to SuSE 8.1 when I figured it was missing most of the things I wanted. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.'' --George Orwell ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. I bet this sells about as well as Yugos! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 18:52:21 -0400 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030805/latu094_1.html A desktop license is only $199; single CPU servers are $699. After October 15th, prices go up, so act now! Fucking bastards. I bet this sells about as well as Yugos! So hang on the court case hasn't even proved yes or no regarding SCO's claims... what would possess anyone to pay over money for a license? i would be guessing fear, and the desire to save money. If people perceive that they will be saving money by getting in early, they might go for it. Most will not question the need to purchase, unless they are better informed. If MS or Novell, or someone else walked into a comercial business and stated you need to buy X ammount of licences to be legal, most would not question would they, especially if they thought that they were getting a special rate, and would avoid prosecution. If they get some peple paying money havent the had a win ?? even if it fails in court ?? Oh well my 2c. Shane Broomhall Citrix Trainer Consultant Shane Broomhall Consulting Pty Ltd Mobile: 0403 952 905 International (mobile/Cell) 61 403 952 905 MSN Messenger : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo Messenger opsidianorder Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, 2003-08-06 at 00:27, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: Can anyone name the bad penguin in this animation? http://www.opq.se/images/BadPenguin.gif Darrel McBride? -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
