Re: OTDell.au not dumping Linux on desktops
I see some dismay expressed about Dell dropping linux desktop computers. Let's take a poll: How many people on this list have bought a Dell computer with linux for the desktop in the last twelve months? I doubt any. Some years ago, outside of Boston, the train company wanted to end a particular passenger train service during the later evening hours, say between 7 and 10:00pm. So, as required, they had a public meeting over it. Many people came to express their opposition to killing this service. Then, the company reps asked how many people had taken the train to the meeting. Answer: None. The company pointed out that the meeting was held at a point very convenient to the train line and that the meeting time had been set to allow people to use the train to attend the meeting. Result: The train service was killed. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DELL dropping Linux desktops
Mike Andrew wrote: On Friday 03 August 2001 21:26, Linuxism Chang wrote: Is it much more difficult to write a linux virus? whatever is happening to OE could just happen to any baby-friendly email reader. It's not difficult at all, If I had a mind to, I could, and so could 90% of other penguins. All you need is to write bash-script. Securities and permissions don't come into it. A virus of the email kind is not intended to hack at root, it is intended to spread itself (the fundamental definition of a virus). So hacking at $HOME would suit me just fine thanks. I'm not out to kill your system , i'm out to infect it, and any other 'system' i can get at. I could attach any binary I chose, you save it to disk and click on it when it suits you. In some ways worse that Windows, I don't even have to call it (dot)exe The *only* reason why we are not infested with this stuff is because *if* I want my name in lights, I'm going to go for the biggest, most poplular OS around. I'm not going to spend all my 'creative' talent on a hardly-heard-of 'Linux' There's the glory end. Virus M$ and you do it in secret and no one knows what a smart fellow your are, unless the FBI catches you. Apply the same effort toward developing a new wrinkle in Linux or a driver for a previously unusable piece of hardware and everyone will marvel at your genius. Try that with M$, and Billy the Squid's lawyers will be down your throat with a restraining order and demanding to know where you got the source code . Or an alternate reason might be that there are a lot of people who don't like M$ or the Squid. Moral of the story? Don't be too smug folks. There but by the grace of god etc. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Merging Postscript Documents
When this saga comes to a conclusion, I think it would make a great SxS. Jim On Saturday August 04, 2001 12:25 am, Joel Hammer wrote: Well, my long march may be getting to an end. Thanks to this list, I have finally realized that mpage and psnup take a SINGLE multipage postscript file and put multiple pages on one sheet. My REAL problem is taking multiple postscript files and making them into one postscript document. Both convert and psmerge claim to be able to do this, but, I can't make either work such that gv can read more than the first page. These individual postscript files are generated by gnuplot. They should be similar enough to merge, I would think. Any insight appreciated. Meanwhile, I think I will go over to the gnuplot page. They must have experienced this situation before. Joel -- 8:42am up 11 days, 9:16, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.04 Running Caldera eD2.4 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
sircam giggle
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Re: Security question
Interesting, I'm not running a DNS server(named) at all. It's just that it's picked up in the last few days. Almost constantly doing this. Is this comming from my box or from @Home? Would somebody explain what arp is doing beyond what the man pages say about arp? Jim On Friday August 03, 2001 8:43 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: I don't see anything too suspicious here (I am a home hobbyist linux user.) This looks like normal traffic for DNS. I run a caching DNS on my @HOME box and see plenty more traffic than this. Joel -- 8:42am up 11 days, 9:16, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.04 Running Caldera eD2.4 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Merging Postscript Documents
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 09:12:04AM -0500, Jim Conner wrote: When this saga comes to a conclusion, I think it would make a great SxS. Unless I shoot myself first. This seems SO simple there may not be a name for it or it may be so complicated nobody can do it. The current status of my simple quest: gnuplot will make multipage ps files for you which psnup and mpage nicely put onto one page for you. However, the catch is, gnuplot erases the original output file each time it begins. (It would be so nice if I could stop that behavior, then I could just generate plots to my hearts content print them as many to a page as I needed. Since I run a complicated command line to make plots, I have to restart gnuplot each time I use it, I think. But, by comparing the multipage ps files generated by gnuplot to those files resulting from a simple cat command, it was simple just to remove the additional prolog stuff from the cat'ed files and add a few page numbers. This actually worked, resulting in a nice multipage document. This is so simple I cannot see why the script for it doesn't already exist. Sign... I'll keep digging. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Security question
CT39762-A.lafayt1.in.home.com.2682: 1449* 1/2/2 (184) 12:17:59.772844 arp who-has ct??-a.lafayt1.in.home.com tell 24.17.45.1 Who is at 24.17.45.1 That ip is looking for ct? I don't find 24.17.45.1 with nslookup but I can ping it. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Interesting Article
John Hiemenz wrote: On Friday 03 August 2001 11:44, Jim Conner wrote: The Death of TCP/IP: Why the Age of Internet Innocence is Over http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010802.html It's an interesting theory. I thought I'd send this link out due to the talk in another thread about security and virii. If what he says is even half true, it's scary. I'd like to hear more opinions on this from those here that know tcp/ip better than I do. My understanding of TCP/IP is that it is only a road for something to travel on. TCP/IP is not concerned with security, the datagrams that travel along TCP/IP are what need to be secured, as ssh does but telnet does not. The problem is not tcp/ip itself, but how MS purportedly intends to allow raw socket access in XP - in other words it's not the highway, but how MS is building the on ramps. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DELL dropping Linux desktops
Shawn Tayler wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:59:59 -0700 (PDT), Net Llama wrote: Its almost certainly because they aren't selling at all. Right now, Linux on the desktop just isnt' profitable. In fact its not even close to profitable. I believe its simply a matter of time. The security issues are becoming more important to people. It might take a few more SirCam and Magistra style virii to make the rounds, but the msg is getting out. There's just alot of the, I just don't know about it, attitude out there I watched the CERT/NIPC/SANS the sky is falling media extravanganza on CODE RED on CNN last week. Throughout the question period I waited with baited breath for one of the more knowledgable reporters to ask if (and why) Unix and Linux systems were invulnerable to this worm... all to no avail. It appears that the general public just accepts that all computers are and should be running on Windows as a matter of fact. burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: downloading photos
Keith Antoine wrote: I got around to d/l the photos from the cameras today only to find that the windows drivers for usb that were supplied by the mfgrs are NOT ME complatible only 98. The Olympus is dual ported with serial as well, but slow. So I am being held up whilst I buy a card reader that is compatible with both smartmedia and compactflash. There is one that is compactflash only and works with linux and also one that is smartmedia only and is linux compatible; just might have to go that way. -- Keith Antoine aka Skippy 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland, 4061, Australia PH: 61 7 33002161 Certified Professional Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall!! Insensible phone computer assistance a speciality. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users We'll just have to wait then g. But if these are anything like those you posted from last year's holiday, they will be worth waiting for (and seeing). -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Interesting Article
On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 11:45:55AM -0400, burns wrote: ... The problem is not tcp/ip itself, but how MS purportedly intends to allow raw socket access in XP - in other words it's not the highway, but how MS is building the on ramps. Raw socket access isn't a problem in itself. Steve Gibson notes that this is something that's been available on Unix and Linux systems for years. Many of the attacks by script kiddies could be eliminated if ISPs put in elementary packet filters on their routers and RAS systems where the prohibit outgoing packets with source addresses that couldn't be coming through that port. The simplest case is the ISP blocking any outgoing packets at their border router that has a source address that isn't on their network. They can also set filters with radius to refuse packets from a dialup connection with a source address that isn't the one assigned to the port. The IP filters should also reject any incoming packets from the outside world that have a source address on the interior networks. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Few skills are so well rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. -- Thomas Sowell ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT Interesting Article
On Sat, 4 Aug 2001 09:41:01 -0700 Bill Campbell wrote: On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 11:45:55AM -0400, burns wrote: ... The problem is not tcp/ip itself, but how MS purportedly intends to allow raw socket access in XP - in other words it's not the highway, but how MS is building the on ramps. Raw socket access isn't a problem in itself. Steve Gibson notes that this is something that's been available on Unix and Linux systems for years. Many of the attacks by script kiddies could be eliminated if ISPs put in elementary packet filters on their routers and RAS systems where the prohibit outgoing packets with source addresses that couldn't be coming through that port. The simplest case is the ISP blocking any outgoing packets at their border router that has a source address that isn't on their network. They can also set filters with radius to refuse packets from a dialup connection with a source address that isn't the one assigned to the port. The IP filters should also reject any incoming packets from the outside world that have a source address on the interior networks. One does have to be a little careful about making assumptions, however. My brother-in-law has a Hughes satellite connection, and he was unable to get past the security at 2 different websites, because his outbound packets were coming down the phone line and his incoming packets were taking a completely different route, from the satellite. I couldn't renew my prescription over the web when we visited with them because of this. Merck was very responsive when I complained, however. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Back again in Linux
Well I have installed Caldera Workstation 3.1 thanks to a Donar on this list. However it has some of the 'old' problems still not fixed plus some new ones. As I have not been in linux or knew at the time which way I was going to jump, plus the fact that I have been away too, I have missed many replies/fixes etc. Essentially what I have at the moment is, I delete some icons on the K bar and substitute those that I want on there. On reboot all is back to what it was, they are not kept. Granted this has ben answered already, so acn you point me please. -- - To make yourself look truthful one has to lie, as most people do not want to know the truth; but only that which they believe. - Keith Antoine aka skippy 18 Arkana St The Gap Queensland 4061 Australia PH 16 7 33002161 Retired Geriatric and Sometime Electronics Engineer ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Back again in Linux
On Sunday 05 August 2001 09:15, Shawn Tayler orated thus: On a related side note, other than the automounter in services (which is gone but didn't effect this), how do I get the Drive icons to go away as well as the autoloader to stop opening browser windows when a CD is placed in a drive?It keeps opening up and then can't see the volume as the device doesn't get mounted at all, let alone /auto/sr0, etc stayler With the drive icons go to /usr/bin/startkde use an editor and hashout the 'hotplugin ' line... as for opening of windows with a cd in the drive that to do with automount and will have to get back about that. -- - To make yourself look truthful one has to lie, as most people do not want to kmow the truth; but only that which they believe. - Keith Antoine aka skippy 18 Arkana St The Gap Queensland 4061 Australia PH 16 7 33002161 Retired Geriatric and Sometime Electronics Engineer ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Back again in Linux
On Sunday 05 August 2001 11:10, Bill Campbell orated thus: How are you exiting from kde? Are you doing it from the K-start, or using ctrl-alt-backspace? Logout on the k-panel.. I seem to remember something about this previously. -- - To make yourself look truthful one has to lie, as most people do not want to kmow the truth; but only that which they believe. - Keith Antoine aka skippy 18 Arkana St The Gap Queensland 4061 Australia PH 16 7 33002161 Retired Geriatric and Sometime Electronics Engineer ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: The Worm: How you doin'?
Man, things have changed around here. Starting about 9:30 this am (EST AUG 4), I am getting numerous hits with an repeating payload, not the old . About 170 today, all from 24.xx.xx.xx, that is, mostly @HOME ip's. I haven't seen the payload before. I guess this thang must mutate Linux advocates, if this doesn't change the mindset of your IS people, give up and buy MS$ stock. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound in slackware
On August 1, 2001 09:51 pm, Myles Green wrote: I just finished building the kde2.2 snapshot from july 27 and 'viola' we have sound once again. They're supposed to release kde2.2 final next week so you may want to wait until then to grab the source. Ok. Thanks for the advice I'll probably wait for the release. BTW, how did you set up your sound? If you haven't done this yet you might want to edit /etc/rc.d/rc.modules to uncomment your sound card and Well in /usr/src/linux/Doc...n/sound I discovered which driver supported my sound card and modprobed it into the kernel. I then added a line for it to rc.modules, b/c even a commented out one did not already exist, although the module was available. then either modprobe the sound module or reboot. Are you running the stock kernel? If so which version 2.2.19 or 2.4.5? Still running stock 2.2.19 (never noticed the option to go 2.4.5 when setting up slackware although it apparently was there) lol, I seem to keep procrastinating on learning the art of kernel compilation. David Aikema ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Wrong major/minor device number
It is a little difficult to cut/paste and e-mail you when I cannot get the floppy or cdrom to work so I can get the NIC driver loaded. I cannot telnet, ftp, e-mail, or otherwise communicate using the system in question. I get the error message indicating a wrong major or minor device number when I try to mount either the floppy or cdrom. As I showed in my previous post, the ls /dev/fd0 -l command results look correct for the floppy. I even tried creating my own /dev/newfd0 using mknod command. When I try to mount /mnt/floppy I get the error message. I get a similar message when I try mount /mnt/cdrom. Both are in the /etc/fstab and are defined correctly (i.e. correct device /dev/fd0 for /mnt/floppy). This used to work just fine under COL2.3 but when I moved the drive to the new box (AMD K7-900, Asus A7V MB, different network card, different video card, etc.) I learned that COL2.3 would not work with the K7-900. I then used the eDesktop2.4 kernel instead. I can boot and run kde ok but cannot mount the floppy or the cdrom. I need to find a reference on how this device number stuff works so that I can get the floppy working. I can then get the network card working and then get on-line to e-mail any further details. On Saturday 04 August 2001 06:41 pm, you wrote: Please give more detail. What does not work? What specific command fails? How was the drive mounted? What is the precise error message? Cut and paste off the screen so we can see exactly what has happened. Under what other circumstances is the error occuring? Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc -http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
