Re: [Linux-users] Dual booting on modern computers with linux and windows 10 with uefi
On 27.05.2017 15:43, dave wrote: > know it's not duel booting but why not look at virtualising the guest OS? > > that way you can slip between one and the other without rebooting. > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Plan to do that as well but prefer to have one I can boot into because if windows gets munted so does my Linux. Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] Dual booting on modern computers with linux and windows 10 with uefi
On 26.05.2017 19:20, aaron mcewan wrote: > On Fri, 26 May 2017 18:31:45 +1200 > j.vi...@snap.net.nzwrote: > >> Has any one installed windows 10 and Linux on their computer with uefi My searches on the internet generally pick up videos of old computers with bios instead of uefi. From what I can find, I need to have secure boot disabled - think mine is but might have read it wrong. Got Linux install on usb stick and ran it but on reboot installs into windows 10 and trying easybcd says it doesn't support with message "EasyBCD has detected that your machine is currently booting in EFI mode. Due to limitations set by Microsoft, many of EasyBCDs multi-booting features cannot be used in EFI mode and have been disabled. Pressing the "help key" gave me three options (reinstall, VMware, and below) OPTION 3: USE GRUB2 EFI AS YOUR MAIN BOOT MANAGER EasyBCD controls the Windows boot menu, and has traditionally been used as the primary boot manager. With EasyBCD, it is possible to add entries for Linux and older versions of Windows to the top-level BCD menu seen when your machine first boots. Since the Windows boot manager running in UEFI mode does not support the loading of legacy and non-Microsoft operating systems, another option is possible. When installing Linux or any other 3rd party OS that ships with its own bootloader, instead of choosing to install GRUB to the bootsector as is traditionally done when opting to use EasyBCD to control your boot menu, choose to install GRUB to the MBR (or disk, in this case) and make it the main bootloader for your PC. You can add the Windows boot menu to the GRUB2 EFI boot menu - in this case, you'll see GRUB's boot menu when your PC starts, and from there you can choose Windows. You can still use EasyBCD to control the Windows boot menu and set up multi-boots and re-configure Vista+ entries in the BCD boot menu, but with the GRUB2 EFI menu loading first, you can use that to boot into Linux and to chainload NTLDR to boot into Windows 9x. Question: Has any one tried this? Does this corrupt your windows 10 boot up? Past experience has told me in mbr days to never overwrite the windows boot loader, has the process gone the opposite way? thanks for any advice you can give. > > hi, > for a completely different approach: > > i had windows 8.1 and Linux dual-booting using uefi: > > windows set itself up how it liked > then i created another uefi boot menu item with efibootmgr that pointed to my efistub enabled linux kernel, with its cmdline built-in > > switching what booted was done by pressing the key the uefi system set to access its "bootmenu" for me it was f12 > > also there should be no technical reason you need to keep secure-boot disabled - all uefi systems i have worked with have advertised being capable of accepting user keys, whether this is useful or not is a whole different question... ( admittedly i have never tried to use this feature ) > > aaron m > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Thanks, was easier than I thought it would be. All the initial reports were of issues then the internet went silent on it, or at least I could find much recent. Guessing it became so easy no one bothered talking about it. Is there any way to get it to boot Linux first by default without using f12 (my f11)? Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[Linux-users] Dual booting on modern computers with linux and windows 10 with uefi
Has any one installed windows 10 and Linux on their computer with uefi My searches on the internet generally pick up videos of old computers with bios instead of uefi. >From what I can find, I need to have secure boot disabled - think mine is but might have read it wrong. Got Linux install on usb stick and ran it but on reboot installs into windows 10 and trying easybcd says it doesn't support with message "EasyBCD has detected that your machine is currently booting in EFI mode. Due to limitations set by Microsoft, many of EasyBCDs multi-booting features cannot be used in EFI mode and have been disabled. Pressing the "help key" gave me three options (reinstall, VMware, and below) OPTION 3: USE GRUB2 EFI AS YOUR MAIN BOOT MANAGER EasyBCD controls the Windows boot menu, and has traditionally been used as the primary boot manager. With EasyBCD, it is possible to add entries for Linux and older versions of Windows to the top-level BCD menu seen when your machine first boots. Since the Windows boot manager running in UEFI mode does not support the loading of legacy and non-Microsoft operating systems, another option is possible. When installing Linux or any other 3rd party OS that ships with its own bootloader, instead of choosing to install GRUB to the bootsector as is traditionally done when opting to use EasyBCD to control your boot menu, choose to install GRUB to the MBR (or disk, in this case) and make it the main bootloader for your PC. You can add the Windows boot menu to the GRUB2 EFI boot menu - in this case, you'll see GRUB's boot menu when your PC starts, and from there you can choose Windows. You can still use EasyBCD to control the Windows boot menu and set up multi-boots and re-configure Vista+ entries in the BCD boot menu, but with the GRUB2 EFI menu loading first, you can use that to boot into Linux and to chainload NTLDR to boot into Windows 9x. Question: Has any one tried this? Does this corrupt your windows 10 boot up? Past experience has told me in mbr days to never overwrite the windows boot loader, has the process gone the opposite way? thanks for any advice you can give. ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] EARTHQUAKE!!!
All good in Wellington On 14.11.2016 00:32, Ryan McCoskrie wrote: > Everyone good? > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?
To conclude, took computer to repair store so they could have a look (got way more parts than I ever will). The result was that while the computer could handle 2x8s from bios boot up the reality was that it could only handle 4x4s On 18.02.2016 21:38, Peter Simmonds wrote: > And before I forget, Isopropyl alcohol is good for cleaning contacts > (both gold fingers on the memory and slot contacts). Meths in my > experience is usually alright too. -P > > On 18/02/2016 11:38, Kent Fredric wrote: > >> On 18 February 2016 at 10:38, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: >> >>> Awkward!! Don't borrow RAM, only swap around what you have. Memory faults can be awkward to find, especially when they're sporadic. >> It was more a question of a fast fault find. In the event that the problem was *not* your specific dimms messing you up and it was some problem with the motherboard not working under certain load patterns with that exact amount of memory, or your OS drawing a certain voltage with that many dimms installed that caused problems due to a bad powersupply... the idea was _if_ you could replicate the situation identically with an entirely different set of ram, then you know the problem is not the ram. Similarly, if you can replicate the problem with a different powersupply, its not the power supply. ( And you'd be amazed how many weird problems can appear from weak powersupplies ) I'd also consider ripping out the hard drive and booting it in an entirely different machine just to see if windows fails at the same points in the same ways or not. And it could very well be that its not "windows", just some way windows utilizes hardware makes the problem appear faster than it does with Linux. > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?
Yeah Microsoft list as important updates KB2952664, KB3035583, KB3123862 for windows 7 when all they do is install nag software and try and push you towards windows 10. I have come to the conclusion that the name is faulty or the motherboard is, doubt caused by dust as now booting up fine now I put back the original memory. Was starting to effect Linux too so felt good time to stop trying On 18.02.2016 21:29, Peter Simmonds wrote: > Hi All, > > Maybe jumping the gun a little (again). Apparently m$ has made the update to windows 10 a "recommended"update (It's been on the radio). I had a computer in similar condition (just the gaming rig) It would boot one time out of 2; first time telling me I would need to reboot the computer to apply updates, the second time after applying updates for 3 hours deciding it couldn't apply updates and would then reboot back into the desktop. Pretty impressive performance from an 8 core 4ghz 8gb machine! Disabling automatic updates solved the problem immediately. > > With regards to the RAM, sorry I missed that email and made an educated guess. > > I'll read the rest of the emails now that I have uploaded my current train of thought, and apologies again for using the Win word. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > On 17/02/2016 19:11, j.vi...@snap.net.nz wrote: > >> Tried safe mode and it gets up to pnp drivers and then freezes, >> >> Repair mode downloads files and freezes and normal boot just stays at message "Starting Windows" >> >> On 17.02.2016 09:42, Bryce Stenberg wrote: >> >>> Does windows boot in safe mode? When you say windows doesn't boot, how far does it actually get? >>> >>> If you run a memory checker does it come back all ok? It could be that windows is loading something critical into a memory space that is faulty (since it is new ram) and maybe linux hasn't yet hit that space. >>> >>> -bryce. >>> >>> FROM: linux-users-boun...@lists.canterbury.ac.nz [mailto:linux-users-boun...@lists.canterbury.ac.nz] ON BEHALF OF j.vi...@snap.net.nz >>> SENT: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:32 PM >>> TO: Canterbury Linux Users Group >>> SUBJECT: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not? >>> >>> Upgraded my computer from 8gig to 16gig and suddenly from my duel boot, linux boots fine, windows 7 home premium does not. >>> >>> Linux shows all 16gig available >>> >>> can go back to old ram and boot up windows 7. >>> >>> Bios shows all 16gig >>> >>> Got ram in slots 1 and 3. >>> >>> Is there something clever that linux does that allows it to boot? >>> >>> Anyone else struck this same problem? >>> >>> ___ >>> Linux-users mailing list >>> Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz >>> http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] >> >> ___ >> Linux-users mailing list >> Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz >> http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?
I doubt it is the hard drives as boots fine 7 and 10 if I just use 2x2 gigs ram in same slots, I suspect the computer repair store will blame the hard drive configuration as I admit not ideal as 250g ssd drive with boot and windows 7 C partition, with I partition pointing to partition on 3tb drive (GPT formatted) and windows 10 on another 4tb hard drive formatted mbr so only able to use first 2tb. I am waiting until I need to replace motherboard and cpu before bothering fixing up harddrives as motherboard won't boot from gpt formatting. Done some stress testing on Linux boot and once I got towards 4tb appeared to have issues with window manager as looked like it crashed, so I am guessing problem is either motherboard or ram. On 17.02.2016 21:44, Peter Simmonds wrote: > Hi All, > > How did you actually go about moving windows to the new drive, and if > win 7 or later, did you copy both partitions? If you don't mind, what > did you use to copy these partitions? > > In the past I have successfully used Clonezilla and Redo Backup to copy > windows partitions and keep them working. Both of these are linux live > CD's which you boot from. > > Regarding booting I can only give general advice; Linux is much more > fault tolerant than windows, in other words, when anything minor goes > wrong with windows it simply crashes. With linux, I have actually > plugged in a CDrom with the system on, hard drive spun down then spun up > (crashed) and linux simply sent a reset command to the drive and kept > going as it was! Booting is not an exception really, it has far better > programming to enable it to recover from what may be slightly mashed up > partitioning. > > Hope This helps! > > Peter > > On 17/02/2016 19:55, dave wrote: > >> Me thinks that it's the header info that can be seen when responder asks the question about safebooting in windows. that's about all i can think of. dave On Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:03:02 Kent Fredric wrote: >> >>> On 17 February 2016 at 12:13, Barry wrote: >>> Please do not hijack an unrelated thread, start a new one. >>> Care to explain which thread was hijacked? All the context I have is: - Person wonders why linux can boot and windows cannot - Second person asks first person if windows safemode boots And that seems entirely reasonable to me. ( Though perhaps different mail clients format it differently, I'm using GMail ) >> ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?
Tried safe mode and it gets up to pnp drivers and then freezes, Repair mode downloads files and freezes and normal boot just stays at message "Starting Windows" On 17.02.2016 09:42, Bryce Stenberg wrote: > Does windows boot in safe mode? When you say windows doesn't boot, how far does it actually get? > > If you run a memory checker does it come back all ok? It could be that windows is loading something critical into a memory space that is faulty (since it is new ram) and maybe linux hasn't yet hit that space. > > -bryce. > > FROM: linux-users-boun...@lists.canterbury.ac.nz [mailto:linux-users-boun...@lists.canterbury.ac.nz] ON BEHALF OF j.vi...@snap.net.nz > SENT: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:32 PM > TO: Canterbury Linux Users Group > SUBJECT: [Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not? > > Upgraded my computer from 8gig to 16gig and suddenly from my duel boot, linux boots fine, windows 7 home premium does not. > > Linux shows all 16gig available > > can go back to old ram and boot up windows 7. > > Bios shows all 16gig > > Got ram in slots 1 and 3. > > Is there something clever that linux does that allows it to boot? > > Anyone else struck this same problem? > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[Linux-users] Can linux boot even when windows can not?
Upgraded my computer from 8gig to 16gig and suddenly from my duel boot, linux boots fine, windows 7 home premium does not. Linux shows all 16gig available can go back to old ram and boot up windows 7. Bios shows all 16gig Got ram in slots 1 and 3. Is there something clever that linux does that allows it to boot? Anyone else struck this same problem? ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[Linux-users] Can you have mbr and gpt bootups on same machine?
I currently have mbr bootups on my machine but have added a 3tb and a 4tb hard drive and want to be able to boot off one of those and still use the full size of the disk. Has anyone found a way of switching easily? Or even in a complicated way? thanks ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] Anyone else getting spammed by AMY after posting on this group?
I am hoping she has now been removed from the group, I now keep getting pictures from girls in underwear wanting to meet guys, like we would be that gullible. On 12.09.2015 12:22, Bevan Thomas wrote: > On 12/09/15 12:20, j.vi...@snap.net.nz wrote: > >> Anyone else getting spammed by AMY after posting on this group? >> >>> >> >> ___ >> Linux-users mailing list >> Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz >> http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] > > Just trying to see what you are seeing. > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[Linux-users] Anyone else getting spammed by AMY after posting on this group?
Anyone else getting spammed by AMY after posting on this group? > ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [Linux-users] How do you partition disks bigger than 2 terabyte?
Baffled why I got spam response, rogue account? On 11.09.2015 23:05, Julian Visch wrote: > Bought myself a 4 terabyte hard drive and discovered that partition tools > seem to stop at 2 terabyte, any way I can get the rest of the drive seen? > I noticed that windows have option to convert to GBT disk but I get the > impression that it makes in unbootable which defeats the purpose of me > buying it. > > Thanks for any advice or tips you can provide > Julian > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz > http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users [1] Links: -- [1] http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list Linux-users@lists.canterbury.ac.nz http://lists.canterbury.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
