Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
On 2016-08-21 05:50, Paul Mather wrote: Not to sound like an apologist or a shill for the pfSense project, but in the line just above the "Products" link that you presumably clicked on, right at the very top of the page, is a link labelled "Store". On the same line as the "Store" link is a "Partner Locator" link that goes to a page with a list of MSP, VAR, and Retail companies. That might have been a good place to find official pfSense hardware.:-) Perhaps. But when I went to the product comparison page, I found none were even close to what I need; it's not that I wasn't aware of the store, but rather, there was no reason to visit the store to look at products that I wasn't going to buy. If /products is intended to be an overview, why not replace the specific model entries with categories that show the ranges of prices and capabilities, and change the "More Details" buttons to link to products within those families? Or at least give some clue that there are other offerings in some obvious way. Even so, I'm not sure it would have mattered, 799USD is still a lot for what it is; I spent under 100CAD on a 1U server from eBay that will probably do more than I'll need for the immediate future. I'll probably just buy Gold and call it a day. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Dave Warren wrote: > On 2016-08-20 04:02, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 3:10 AM, Dave Warren wrote: >>> On 2016-08-03 08:43, Steve Yates wrote: I'm being serious but what is your rationale for not using pfSense's/NetGate's? https://www.pfsense.org/products/ The "cheap" part (< $299)? We tried a "build our own" approach and it's tough to get a small package. Any old PC will do just fine if one adds an SSD but as someone pointed out that may use far more power in the long run. >>> >>> For me, it's the fact that I want to rackmount my gear, but $1,799.00 is >>> the cheapest option offered on pfSense.org that can rackmount. >> >> You seem to have added $1000 without justification: >> >> https://store.pfsense.org/SG-4860-1U/ > > > Perhaps someone should put that on the https://pfsense.org/ website? > > I started at https://pfsense.org/, then clicked on Products, which took me > to https://pfsense.org/products/ which only offers > https://store.pfsense.org/XG-2758/ when I was looking for a new product a > couple weeks ago. It didn't occur to me you would have multiple incomplete > lists of products, so I ordered hardware elsewhere already. Shame, I'd > rather have supported pfSense, but it's too late now. > > -- > Dave Warren > http://www.hireahit.com/ > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren > > I noticed that too last time I went to purchase hardware from the pfSense store. I like this link better: https://store.pfsense.org/ If you click into the menu on the left it lets you sort and such. I think the first page right off the main site is designed to help people who know little about the offerings to get an overview. ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
On Aug 21, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Bryan D. wrote: > On 2016-Aug-21, at 5:50 AM, Paul Mather wrote: > >> Even on that page it's incorrect to say it "only" offers the XG-2758. >> That's the only one they show in the main table on that page ... > > There's likely good science behind the fact that nearly all e-stores will > present (often overwhelming) detail, by default, along with various filters > to narrow down the products of interest. > > I've also experienced the "you have to make an effort to find it" aspect of > the pfSense store pages. Not ideal. Sales will be lost, as this incident > demonstrates. > > Blaming a would-be customer for not seeing/finding something on a > catalog/store/marketing page is probably not a good strategy as it won't help > sales. I'm not blaming any customer for anything, and, in case I wasn't overly clear when I said, "Not to sound like an apologist or a shill for the pfSense project", I don't work for nor am I in any way affiliated with the pfSense Store except that I am a prior customer (who figured out how to use their Web site). I'll refrain from further comment on this topic as it appears to be veering into the more heat than light category. Cheers, Paul. ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
> Blaming a would-be customer for not seeing/finding something on a catalog/store/marketing page is probably not a good strategy as it won't help sales. I'd 'Like' this myself, but I don't have thumbs. ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
On 2016-Aug-21, at 5:50 AM, Paul Mather wrote: > Even on that page it's incorrect to say it "only" offers the XG-2758. That's > the only one they show in the main table on that page ... There's likely good science behind the fact that nearly all e-stores will present (often overwhelming) detail, by default, along with various filters to narrow down the products of interest. I've also experienced the "you have to make an effort to find it" aspect of the pfSense store pages. Not ideal. Sales will be lost, as this incident demonstrates. Blaming a would-be customer for not seeing/finding something on a catalog/store/marketing page is probably not a good strategy as it won't help sales. ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
On 21/08/2016, Paul Mather wrote: > On Aug 21, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Dave Warren wrote: > > >> I started at https://pfsense.org/, then clicked on Products, which took me >> to https://pfsense.org/products/ which only offers >> https://store.pfsense.org/XG-2758/ when I was looking for a new product a >> couple weeks ago. It didn't occur to me you would have multiple incomplete >> lists of products, so I ordered hardware elsewhere already. > > > Even on that page it's incorrect to say it "only" offers the XG-2758. > That's the only one they show in the main table on that page (which > presumably is only a "recommended selection" of what they offer, to avoid > the table becoming overcrowded). If you click on the big red "PRODUCT > FAMILY" link above that then you get a listing that includes the SG-4860-1U. > Plus all of the "MORE DETAILS" links in the main table take you to the > pfSense Store, where, presumably those curious would browse further (and see > that they sell, e.g., high availability solutions). > > >> Shame, I'd rather have supported pfSense, but it's too late now. > > > If you'd been keen on supporting the pfSense project then you'd have done > well to read the "Official Product Comparison" section of the "Products" > page you mention above. It talks about the benefits of supporting the > project, but, moreover, contains obvious links to "The pfSense Store" and > "pfSense Partner". > > I guess you were in a big hurry when you ordered and missed reading that? > ;-) > > Cheers, > > Paul. Thank you for that. As a person who has just found this (trapped in gmail spam folder), in going to the web page at https://pfsense.org/products/https://pfsense.org/products/ , I found the SG-2220 and SG-2440, and, as a WiFi add-on appears available (or, I could buy locally, and, plug into an Ethernet port, an Ethernet/WiFi router, like we have here, now, at one end of the house), I think that I could use one of those (probably, the latter; the 2440, with the 4 LAN Ethernet ports), to replace our current firewall gateway computer (for which, I have forgotten all of the passwords), when we are forced to change from ADSL to what in Australia , is named the NBN, in a few months time. >From what I understand, these devices come with pfsense pre-installed, with the default settings, to implement " All incoming connections to WAN are blocked All outgoing connections from LAN are allowed " which I understand to mean we can go out, from the LAN, but, people trying to come in, from the WAN, are blocked, which is (to me) a good starting point, that would probably (for our uses) not need adjusting. And, I understand that these devices allow the preinstalled pfsense, to be configured by the LAN administrator, using either command line or GUI interfaces, so as to implement connection to a WAN modem, and, to LAN clients (which may(?) be the only configuration needed, for a simple but effective firewall for a small LAN with less than a dozen clients). And, at 299USD (?) and 499USD(?), respectively, they appear to me, to be quite worthwhile. If I am wrong, in any of my understandings, as mentioned here, corrections would be welcome. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
On Aug 21, 2016, at 2:56 AM, Dave Warren wrote: > On 2016-08-20 04:02, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Aug 20, 2016, at 3:10 AM, Dave Warren wrote: >>> On 2016-08-03 08:43, Steve Yates wrote: I'm being serious but what is your rationale for not using pfSense's/NetGate's? https://www.pfsense.org/products/ The "cheap" part (< $299)? We tried a "build our own" approach and it's tough to get a small package. Any old PC will do just fine if one adds an SSD but as someone pointed out that may use far more power in the long run. >>> For me, it's the fact that I want to rackmount my gear, but $1,799.00 is >>> the cheapest option offered on pfSense.org that can rackmount. >> You seem to have added $1000 without justification: >> >> https://store.pfsense.org/SG-4860-1U/ > > Perhaps someone should put that on the https://pfsense.org/ website? Not to sound like an apologist or a shill for the pfSense project, but in the line just above the "Products" link that you presumably clicked on, right at the very top of the page, is a link labelled "Store". On the same line as the "Store" link is a "Partner Locator" link that goes to a page with a list of MSP, VAR, and Retail companies. That might have been a good place to find official pfSense hardware. :-) > I started at https://pfsense.org/, then clicked on Products, which took me to > https://pfsense.org/products/ which only offers > https://store.pfsense.org/XG-2758/ when I was looking for a new product a > couple weeks ago. It didn't occur to me you would have multiple incomplete > lists of products, so I ordered hardware elsewhere already. Even on that page it's incorrect to say it "only" offers the XG-2758. That's the only one they show in the main table on that page (which presumably is only a "recommended selection" of what they offer, to avoid the table becoming overcrowded). If you click on the big red "PRODUCT FAMILY" link above that then you get a listing that includes the SG-4860-1U. Plus all of the "MORE DETAILS" links in the main table take you to the pfSense Store, where, presumably those curious would browse further (and see that they sell, e.g., high availability solutions). > Shame, I'd rather have supported pfSense, but it's too late now. If you'd been keen on supporting the pfSense project then you'd have done well to read the "Official Product Comparison" section of the "Products" page you mention above. It talks about the benefits of supporting the project, but, moreover, contains obvious links to "The pfSense Store" and "pfSense Partner". I guess you were in a big hurry when you ordered and missed reading that? ;-) Cheers, Paul. ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
Who is reselling lanner units in europe? I just bought one lanner unit from china.it looks perfect for my home usage.. Eero 21.8.2016 10.22 ap. "Kendrick Vargas" kirjoitti: > Don't know how late I am to the game on this suggestion, but I am quite > happy with the Lanner Inc. product I bought. I was able to get them to sell > me a single unit, the cost was fine for my needs (at the time an Atom > D510). They're rackable, and my FW-7539 has been running non-stop for > years. I can't speak for performance as my needs are really simple. > > http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/desktop/ > > Just make sure to get the components necessary to boot it up (you may need > vga adapters, etc.) > > > -peace > > On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Dave Warren wrote: > > > On 2016-08-20 04:02, Jim Thompson wrote: > > > >> On Aug 20, 2016, at 3:10 AM, Dave Warren wrote: > >>> > >>> On 2016-08-03 08:43, Steve Yates wrote: > I'm being serious but what is your rationale for not using > pfSense's/NetGate's? > > https://www.pfsense.org/products/ > > The "cheap" part (< $299)? We tried a "build our own" approach and > it's tough to get a small package. Any old PC will do just fine if > one > adds an SSD but as someone pointed out that may use far more power in > the > long run. > > >>> For me, it's the fact that I want to rackmount my gear, but $1,799.00 > is > >>> the cheapest option offered on pfSense.org that can rackmount. > >>> > >> You seem to have added $1000 without justification: > >> > >> https://store.pfsense.org/SG-4860-1U/ > >> > > > > Perhaps someone should put that on the https://pfsense.org/ website? > > > > I started at https://pfsense.org/, then clicked on Products, which took > > me to https://pfsense.org/products/ which only offers > > https://store.pfsense.org/XG-2758/ when I was looking for a new product > a > > couple weeks ago. It didn't occur to me you would have multiple > incomplete > > lists of products, so I ordered hardware elsewhere already. Shame, I'd > > rather have supported pfSense, but it's too late now. > > > > -- > > Dave Warren > > http://www.hireahit.com/ > > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren > > > > > > ___ > > pfSense mailing list > > https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list > > Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold > > > ___ > pfSense mailing list > https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list > Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold > ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
Re: [pfSense] looking for perfect pfsense box for home?
Don't know how late I am to the game on this suggestion, but I am quite happy with the Lanner Inc. product I bought. I was able to get them to sell me a single unit, the cost was fine for my needs (at the time an Atom D510). They're rackable, and my FW-7539 has been running non-stop for years. I can't speak for performance as my needs are really simple. http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/desktop/ Just make sure to get the components necessary to boot it up (you may need vga adapters, etc.) -peace On Sun, Aug 21, 2016 at 2:56 AM, Dave Warren wrote: > On 2016-08-20 04:02, Jim Thompson wrote: > >> On Aug 20, 2016, at 3:10 AM, Dave Warren wrote: >>> >>> On 2016-08-03 08:43, Steve Yates wrote: I'm being serious but what is your rationale for not using pfSense's/NetGate's? https://www.pfsense.org/products/ The "cheap" part (< $299)? We tried a "build our own" approach and it's tough to get a small package. Any old PC will do just fine if one adds an SSD but as someone pointed out that may use far more power in the long run. >>> For me, it's the fact that I want to rackmount my gear, but $1,799.00 is >>> the cheapest option offered on pfSense.org that can rackmount. >>> >> You seem to have added $1000 without justification: >> >> https://store.pfsense.org/SG-4860-1U/ >> > > Perhaps someone should put that on the https://pfsense.org/ website? > > I started at https://pfsense.org/, then clicked on Products, which took > me to https://pfsense.org/products/ which only offers > https://store.pfsense.org/XG-2758/ when I was looking for a new product a > couple weeks ago. It didn't occur to me you would have multiple incomplete > lists of products, so I ordered hardware elsewhere already. Shame, I'd > rather have supported pfSense, but it's too late now. > > -- > Dave Warren > http://www.hireahit.com/ > http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren > > > ___ > pfSense mailing list > https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list > Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold > ___ pfSense mailing list https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
